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kowtow

The diversity dividend and “equality”……..but not for the British taxpayer…….bwahahahahaha

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331214/Pakistani-lesbians-Muslim-gay-couple-wed-UK-claim-political-asylum-saying-lives-endangered-return-home.html#comments
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May 27, 2013 8:02am
flipper

Plunket v The Molesworth St. Gang …GREAT SPORT1

Commissioner offers raft of excuses to fend off prosecutions
SEAN PLUNKET
Last updated 09:53 26/05/2013

OPINION: Defence lawyers must be rubbing their hands with glee after the release of the Independent Police Conduct Authority Report into the Operation Eight raids in Ruatoki.
While it is unlikely they will pick up any new work defending the police officers who oversaw the “unlawful, unjustified and unreasonable” aspects of the raids (because they are unlikely to ever be held to account for their actions), they do have a wonderful new range of extenuating circumstances to prevent their criminal clients being convicted or even having to go to court.
These were outlined superbly by Police Commissioner Peter Marshall as he attempted to spin his way out of perhaps the most damning expose of police culture since the Royal Commission into the framing of Arthur Thomas.
Here are just some of the new “defences” available to avoid prosecution or investigation if you or a client have acted unlawfully.
1. The “I didn’t shoot anyone” defence. Particularly useful if you’ve kicked down a door at gunpoint and detained three young boys in a shed for nine hours without food or water. Sure some people might look on that as kidnapping but, according to the commissioner, if you don’t actually shoot anyone you’ve painted with your red dot sight, the police will probably let the whole thing slide.
2. The “We’ve reviewed and updated our policies” defence. This is a sure-fire get out of jail free card if you’ve set up an illegal roadblock to stop parents taking their kids to school, illegally searched them and breached their privacy by illegally detaining them and taking their photos. A lot more sophisticated than the “I promise I won’t do it again judge” strategy, this is likely to be very popular with drunk drivers.
3. The “But I mostly don’t break the law” defence. Use this if you’ve executed most of your search warrants properly but have gone over the top with three or four others. In Civvy Street it’s a great excuse for avoiding parking fines. “But I put money in the meter for most of the time the car was parked there, your honour.”
4. The “But look at what Tame Iti was up to” defence. A general catch-all strategy that basically diverts attention away from what you did wrong onto someone else. It helps if your diversionary target is a controversial figure, even better if he is part of a minority group that most people in the country don’t understand.
5. The “But I was hunting terrorists” defence. Great if you’ve been caught in a peeping tom situation or breaking and entering. Just tell the cops you were pretty sure there was some really important intelligence in the memory chip of the flat screen TV you were caught red handed with and they’re probably going to give you a slap on the back and send you on your way.
6. The “I thought what I was doing was legal” defence. While this strategy would appear to overturn the old maxim that “ignorance is no defence”, Commissioner Marshall and the GCSB have made it pretty clear you can get a walk if you can keep a straight face while swearing on a bunch of bibles that you didn’t know that car conversion was actually a crime. If you play your cards right you might even be able to get the law changed so it isn’t.
7. The “I’m a police officer” defence. At present only available for actual police officers who are fighting the scourge of terrorism and lawlessness that is sweeping our nation. Not a new strategy, it was made popular late last century by the team investigating the Crewe murders. Properly deployed, this strategy can lead to a long and successful career in the constabulary and a top level testimonial at your funeral.
These seven pillars of policing wisdom are clearly going to have a huge impact on our court and penal systems.
Once fully adopted we can expect a drastic reduction in the crime rate, judges will have to be laid off and most of our prisons closed.
We’ll still need plenty of police though to build bridges with the community and keep reviewing those operational policies to make sure none of them ever has to be individually identified or held accountable for their “unlawful, unjustified, and unreasonable” actions.
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May 27, 2013 8:17am
UglyTruth

Because anything with QE2 in it has got to be suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ZY4SgZf_GQ
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May 27, 2013 8:29am
flipper

On a more serious n0te, there is a great story on Fox NEWS this am.
Today is part of their Memorial Day (= Anzac) weekend.

FOX carried a great story of the oldest living US Vet – a 107 year old black WW2 vet. He returned home after WW2, built a house in Austin, Texas, and still lives there.
He is about to spend several weeks travelling the US visiting Vets groups.

Asked what he would do when he returned: “Well, I’ll sit on my porch, smoke my favourite cigars, and enjoy whisky in my coffee.”

Not a bad way of spending down time!
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May 27, 2013 8:34am
Judith

flipper (1,676) Says:
May 27th, 2013 at 8:17 am

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Excellent list Flipper – well done.
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May 27, 2013 8:40am
Judith

UglyTruth (841) Says:
May 27th, 2013 at 8:29 am
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May 31 st ? That doesn’t give us much time. Was the broadcast sponsored by Watties? I note the repetition of ‘stock up on canned foods’ – no reminders to include a can opener though.

3.6 million miles seems quite close really when you look at the graphics.
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May 27, 2013 8:47am
Paulus

I see that Labour have fallen for the usual crap in the Ikaroa-Rafferty selection.
A candidate who has never had a real job – only off the Public Tit.
She will fall into the usual Labour woman role of talking crap.
Grief – why do they pick ugly women.
Maori is now principally dominated by women, and it is becoming obvious that Maori men only have a ceremonial role, despite what they think.
Great selection – could not be better.
Taurima will return to TVNZ albeit that he has shown his bias publically, whereas the media has total left wing political bias, which they try and hide. At least with Taurima he has “come out”.
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May 27, 2013 8:48am
toms

“…I see that Labour have fallen for the usual crap in the Ikaroa-Rafferty selection.
A candidate who has never had a real job – only off the Public Tit….”

What the fuck are you talking about, you dim witted Tory idiot?

Meka Whaitiri, a mother of two, grew up in Whakatu, Hastings. She started work at the local freezing works, and
went on to complete a Masters degree in Education from Victoria University and is currently Chief Executive of Ngati Kahungunu. Meka is affiliated to Ngati Kahungunu and Rongowhakaata. She has played both netball and softball at a national level.

So, freezing works, not a real job? Going on, as a Maori woman with a working class background to complete a masters degree would exceed anything your patsy white cracker ass has ever achieved, and last time I looked being CEO of Ngati Kahungunu wasn’t a public sector job. To top off your appalling ignorance, you decide to have a nice little jibe by calling her “ugly” – so let confirm what a nasty piece of misogynist shit you actually are, shall me?

PS – ever played sport to a national level whilst getting a masters degree? Nah, didn’t think so.
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May 27, 2013 8:56am
dime

“as a Maori woman with a working class background to complete a masters degree would exceed anything your patsy white cracker ass has ever achieved”

why did you write the word maori in there?

its almost like you expect maoris to fail. then again, you are a racist left wing jerk off
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May 27, 2013 9:07am
Kea

Maori is now principally dominated by women, and it is becoming obvious that Maori men only have a ceremonial role, despite what they think.

Yes and Maori women have been in charge for as long as I can remember. They are a force to be reckoned with.
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May 27, 2013 9:10am
Dennis Horne

I am not sure why the police didn’t just visit Tame Iti and his less-than-merry (wo)men and seize the firearms. Surely someone in the police force recognises a clown when he sees one. I mean, the very word “tame” gives him away.
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May 27, 2013 9:23am
UglyTruth

3.6 million miles seems quite close really when you look at the graphics.

15 times the Earth-Moon distance is a pretty safe window if nothing unexpected happens. But stocking up isn’t going to hurt, it’s not like you’ve got to spend weeks worrying if it is a real threat or not.
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May 27, 2013 9:31am
Judith

UglyTruth (844) Says:
May 27th, 2013 at 9:31 am
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Stocking up doesn’t hurt – you are right – but just how long would one have to live off baked beans for?
What would be the expected result for NZ, if it should land (for example) in the Indian Ocean? or what if it landed in the Pacific?
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May 27, 2013 9:37am
flipper

Judith…
Thanks, but the plaudits belong to Sean Plunket in the Dumbonian.
HANW
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May 27, 2013 9:39am
Dennis Horne

UglyTruth (845) Says: May 27th, 2013 at 9:31 am. “But stocking up isn’t going to hurt…”

I’d like to see you stocking’d up! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:47am
UglyTruth

@Judith

I don’t know. All I know is that something is up and that an asteroid fits with what a few of he crystal ball gazers have predicted. Stocking up is just general disaster preparedness, you might think that the sensible thing to do would be to go for a holiday at some place higher.
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May 27, 2013 10:03am
wreck1080

http://www.wheresmytaxes.co.nz/

Updated for 2013 budget.

Ministry of business gets a lot — I wonder if all that money is spent wisely.

Social welfare is huge. Where to start on that? Biggest social welfare spend is pensions — got to raise the retirement age methinks.
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May 27, 2013 10:41am
Fletch

And so it begins…

Police in Britain arresting people (three so far) in the middle of the night at the “behest of Muslims” for making “anti-Muslim comments” on Facebook and Twitter.

British police are arresting people in the middle of the night if they have made racist or anti-Muslim comments on Twitter following the murder of a soldier by two Muslims in Woolwich, London.
Three men have so far been taken into custody for using Twitter and Facebook to criticise Muslims.

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One man has been charged with “malicious communications” on Facebook, the Daily Mail reports.

Two others have been arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred. The police are now arresting people based on mere speech in social media, a detective said in a statement to the press:

‘The men were arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred. Our inquiries into these comments continue.
‘These comments were directed against a section of our community. Comments such as these are completely unacceptable and only cause more harm to our community in Bristol.
‘People should stop and think about what they say on social media before making statements as the consequences could be serious.’

The arrests come at the behest of British Muslims, who fear a backlash against them following the death of Rigby, the New York Times says:

The police and Muslim groups have said that there have been anti-Muslim episodes in many parts of the country, the most common involving derogatory messages on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook.

A number of arrests have been made, with criminal charges being leveled in some cases under laws against inciting racial or religious hatred, and Muslim community leaders have reported rising concern among the estimated 2.5 million Muslims in Britain.

Two men were detained in the middle of the night after they expressed anger at Muslims on Twitter, the Independent quotes police as saying:

“We began inquiries into the comments and at around 3.20am two men, aged 23 and 22, were detained at two addresses in Bristol.
“The men were arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred. Our inquiries into these comments continue.”

http://au.businessinsider.com/in-britain-police-arrest-twitter-and-facebook-users-if-they-make-anti-muslim-statements-2013-5
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330180/Woolwich-attacks-Man-charged-making-racist-anti-religious-Facebook-comments-British-soldier-s-death.html

Ominous times when the police are arresting Britons at the behest of Muslims. And don’t these Muslim clerics or Imams incite “racial or religious hatred” all the time? And they are allowed to continue doing so unmolested.
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May 27, 2013 10:43am
Kea

Fletch, the English are responding just as I predicted. Muslims hacking off heads in public streets is not the problem. Tweets are ! Fortunately I stopped caring about the lost culture of the English long ago. They sold out and surrendered. They deserve all they get.

There is a small chance that if things get bad enough we will see a return of the true British spirit. Those pasty faced wimps only come to the fore when under extreme hardship, so I guess there is hope yet.
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May 27, 2013 10:54am
Longknives

“as a Maori woman with a working class background to complete a masters degree would exceed anything your patsy white cracker ass has ever achieved”

This ‘uneducated’ White person (Well I don’t have a degree in Maori studies or Education- just traditional Post-Grad type qualifications from one of those racist old white Universities) is going to cry foul if that comment isn’t at least worth a yellow card David.
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May 27, 2013 11:13am
UglyTruth

MI5 asked Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them about six months before the south-east London event.

Rigby’s “murder” has the hallmarks of a psychological event designed to inflame religious tensions – the terrorist sensationalism in the media, and the narrative of a decapitation inconsistent with the lack of blood at the scene.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468
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May 27, 2013 11:15am
Dennis Horne

UglyTruth (848) Says: May 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am. Rigby’s “murder” has the hallmarks of…

Talking about psychology, do you hear voices or is your paranoia “pure”? It’s a serious question. Yes/No/Decline to answer.
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May 27, 2013 11:39am
Graeme2

“And so it begins…

Police in Britain arresting people (three so far) in the middle of the night at the “behest of Muslims” for making “anti-Muslim comments” on Facebook and Twitter.”

And yet here in good old NZ we have Desmond Wanoa from “Moai Crown” posting youtube videos threatening to put a bullet through the head of Queen Elizabeth and with a facebook page with 1200 or so comments many of them well out of line.
Any sign of action from NZ Police?
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May 27, 2013 11:52am
UglyTruth

Talking about psychology, do you hear voices or is your paranoia “pure”? It’s a serious question. Yes/No/Decline to answer.

I hear the voices of people that have an actual physical presence. Fear of the unknown is not a large part of my world.

Why do you persist with your position that the world is what the MSM tells you it is when you are unable to explain phenomena like the Phoenix Lights?
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May 27, 2013 11:54am
Lance

@UglyTruth
Or this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light
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May 27, 2013 12:07pm
Dennis Horne

@UglyTruth. Explain the double slit experiment in quantum mechanics, you know, where a photon goes through both slits at the same time and interferes with itself like a wave, hits the screen as a particle and part of the interference pattern.

Some things I can’t explain and don’t understand I accept; some I don’t. Finally, it’s personal preference.
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May 27, 2013 12:16pm
kowtow

Plunkey V the Molesworth Gang…..pfffft

How to Deal With Revolting Natives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXqszbQVdaw
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May 27, 2013 12:19pm
Viking2

flipper (1,678) Says:
May 27th, 2013 at 8:17 am

Plunket v The Molesworth St. Gang …GREAT SPORT1

Commissioner offers raft of excuses to fend off prosecutions
SEAN PLUNKET
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Great wisdom from Plunket.
He is correct and what makes this worse is that Tolley on Q+A yesterday attempted to make the point that the police didn’t deliberately set out to break the Law, so in her eyes there actions were OK.

So, next time we all get a speeding ticket, we should defend ourselves in court with the Tolley Defense. That piece of video should be preserved to present in court as a defense.
i.e. that we didn’t deliberately exceed the speed limit, therefore its quite ok Mr Judge.

Of course we all know what reaction we would get both from Mr & Mrs Plod and the Judge.
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May 27, 2013 12:39pm
UglyTruth

@Lance

“It was enormous and inexplicable,” he said in an exclusive interview from his home in Phoenix. “Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too.” Fife Symington, Phoenix Governor (also a pilot)

@Dennis

Explain the double slit experiment in quantum mechanics

The photon is only an aspect of the quantum interaction between light and electron orbitals. Light emission and absorption always occurs in terms of photons, but the energy of light moves through space as a wave.

it’s personal preference.

Your preference leaves your vulnerable to the things that you have no knowledge of.
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May 27, 2013 12:49pm
UglyTruth

How to Deal With Revolting Natives.

The Canadian approach:
Further evidence of murder, sterilisations and other atrocities at coastal residential schools are documented by Kevin Annett and native activists in public forums in Vancouver. The number of lawsuits brought against the churches and government by residential school survivors climbs to over 5,000 across Canada.
http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/intro2.html

The Kenyan approach:
Male Kenyan nationalists were stripped naked and subjected rape, castration and forcible sodomisation with truncheons and sticks by British colonial police, soldiers and prison warders.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1305/S00194/uk-to-compensate-kenyan-victims-of-sexual-sadism.htm

The Indian Approach:
The scarcity, Mukherjee writes, was caused by large-scale exports of food from India for use in the war theatres and consumption in Britain – India exported more than 70,000 tonnes of rice between January and July 1943, even as the famine set in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html
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May 27, 2013 1:01pm
muggins

I see that MRP shares are now $2.43. when they get to $2 I might buy some.
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May 27, 2013 1:11pm
hmmokrightitis

Re: Police worming their way out etc…

Normally Im a little biased towards the police. Think they do a great job the vast majority of the time, under often very difficult circumstances. The completely misguided political alignment between the police and the beehive under the shebeast should never have been allowed, and points more to her ability to create her own police state than anything else. But I digress 🙂

Many years ago, my wife and I, pre kids, were holidaying in the south island. Driving north to Christchurch, in my then Holden SS, we picked up a cop, coming up behind us. We were sitting on 105, cruise control on, knowing its cop central. Lots of traffic coming the other way, so he couldnt pass, but still he tailgated. He finally passed at a huge rate of knots, and vanished into the distance. We turned up at the local police station, his car parked outside, and laid a complaint. Saw the fat fucker in having tea as we did.

Letter a few weeks later – he wasnt breaking the law, was in a hurry to respond to a call, would only have exceeded the speed limit momentarily – we noted he wasnt light up.

Ive still got that letter. Ive used it once to respond to a speeding ticket, which I got off, refering to the letter and written police policy.

Happy to photocopy and send out if you face a speeding ticket 🙂
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May 27, 2013 1:15pm
lilman

So UGLY- still waiting on questions to be answered.
Be honest now,why you being so coy?
Do I have to send the police around to see you?

Come on try and be the man not the mouse.
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May 27, 2013 1:16pm
UglyTruth

@lilman
Why should I answer any of your questions, asswipe?
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May 27, 2013 1:20pm
Kea

UglyTruth @ 1:01

You appear to be applying modern day Western values to non Western civilizations of the past.

I suggest a more appropriate measure would be how the native people treated those they were in conflict with.

It is rather arrogant & racist to assume your modern day liberal view of human rights is some sort of gold standard for darkies to aspire to.
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May 27, 2013 1:23pm
Manolo

Cameron under fire: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4942755/PM-jets-off-on-hols-to-Ibiza-despite-biggest-UK-terror-crisis-since-77.html
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May 27, 2013 1:28pm
muggins

Dennis Horne (1,209) Says:

May 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
I am not sure why the police didn’t just visit Tame Iti and his less-than-merry (wo)men and seize the firearms. Surely someone in the police force recognises a clown when he sees one. I mean, the very word “tame” gives him away.

Yeah, the police should have realised that Tame Iti was only playing silly buggers as per usual .
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May 27, 2013 1:29pm
Kea

muggins, that will be the same police that allowed him to discharge a shotgun at a public gathering ?

I wonder what would happen if Kyle Chapman tried this stunt ….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZsDUscLGjA
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May 27, 2013 1:37pm
hmmokrightitis

Well Kea, I suspect if he tried it on a marae, he would get both barrels off, but that would be the last thing he did 🙂
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May 27, 2013 1:46pm
muggins

Kea,
Are you forgetting Iti is Tuhoe?
http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/news/tame-iti-set-to-appeal-conviction/963648/
And his conviction was reversed on appeal.
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May 27, 2013 1:47pm
Kea

muggins, all I ask is for Iti to be gut shot and left to bleed out while “police secure the area” for emergency services.

Or am I asking too much ?

This poison dwarf planned to do terrible acts of violence in this country.
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May 27, 2013 1:56pm
Dennis Horne

UglyTruth (856) Says: May 27th, 2013 at 12:49 pm.
The photon is only an aspect of the quantum interaction between light and electron orbitals. Light emission and absorption always occurs in terms of photons, but the energy of light moves through space as a wave.

That doesn’t explain why if you close one slit after the photon has passed through both it doesn’t make an interference pattern on the screen, that it “knows” after the event you have tried to “fool” it.

Do you agree it’s a mystery? Yes/No.
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May 27, 2013 4:40pm
lilman

What a hero UGLY,lol im pissing my self.
Know this that I think your paranoid self abusing tiny wee person,pontificating to all but truly a coward at heart.
God defend New Zealand because Ugly hasnt got the balls or heart of a kiwi,just a shadow of a man.
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May 27, 2013 6:36pm
nasska

Inflation hits the USA. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ta9ikudlz4lyd3e/Obama.jpg
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May 27, 2013 7:40pm
Viking2

Nannystater John Key to feed Hone’s kids—meanwhile he is silent about Islam
Terry Wallbank’s picture
Mon, 27/05/2013 – 16:21 — Terry Wallbank

Just weeks after Hone Harawira called on the taxpayer to feed his kids, Nannystater John Key switches back to his permanent campaign mode and announces the same.

http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/298
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May 27, 2013 7:45pm
Johnboy

Do I have to pay for Koura and Kina for the little brown buggers breakfast or will I only have to purchase an extra box of Wheatbix every week V2? 🙂
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May 27, 2013 7:50pm
Steve (North Shore)

What an amazing performace today.
Going to work this morning a lot were looking at the western sky, half was covered with a black raincloud and the other half was clear blue – with the waning moon smack in the middle of the blue. People were taking photos while standing at the bus stop.
The performers today are still clearly suffering from the full moon on Sat morning – so amusing
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May 27, 2013 7:57pm
nasska

David was seconds away from receiving a vasectomy when
his brother and sister-in-law barged in holding their
newborn baby.

“Stop! You can’t do this!” exclaimed the brother.

“And why not?” asked David.

“Don’t you want to have a beautiful baby someday? Like my
wife and I have here?”

David said nothing.

The brother grew impatient, “Come on David, I want a nephew.
David, make me an uncle.”

David couldn’t take it anymore. He gave his sister-in-law
an apologetic look and asked his brother, “Are you really
sure you want a nephew?”

“Yes,” the brother replied. “It would be an honour.”

“Well congratulations, you’re holding him.”
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May 27, 2013 8:01pm
wiseowl

Can’t stand Geaffrey palmer but have to say that after listening to Key and Adams today they have absolutely no understanding of the RMA.
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May 27, 2013 8:26pm
Johnboy

Your on to him wiseowl.

I cant remember how to spell his fuckin name either! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 8:34pm
UglyTruth

That doesn’t explain why if you close one slit after the photon has passed through

You are assuming that light travels through space as a photon.
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May 27, 2013 8:46pm
Dennis Horne

UglyTruth (857) Says: May 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm. You are assuming that light travels through space as a photon.

No, I am not. I’ll ask you again. Is the phenomenon as described a mystery? Yes/No.
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May 27, 2013 8:52pm
Johnboy

Surely as soon as you assume it’s a photon it ceases to be one and becomes a wave.

A bit like assuming you have made a full and final settlement with Murri! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 8:56pm
Dennis Horne

Of course the usual Maori answer to hunger before colonisation was to eat your enemy. That would be us, I suppose.
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May 27, 2013 8:57pm
Johnboy

It couldn’t “be us” before colonisation Dennis old chap.

You better study Relativity again! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:02pm
Dennis Horne

Ah, but they were Maoris then and they are Maoris now. Time has stood still. If you are in a closed system going nowhere you can’t know.
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May 27, 2013 9:05pm
Johnboy

No it hasn’t Dennis. Watch the Sky Ad. Even Old Father Time gets the picture! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:08pm
Dennis Horne

What has happened to UglyTruth. Maybe he has seen the light and it has blinded him?
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May 27, 2013 9:11pm
Johnboy

“Why should I answer any of your questions, asswipe?”

A shame Dennis. He has so much to offer. 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:13pm
Dennis Horne

@Johnboy. Did UglyTruth say that to me? When? I’m flabbergasted.
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May 27, 2013 9:17pm
Kea

What has happened to UglyTruth. Maybe he has seen the light and it has blinded him?

I doubt it. You don’t see much light with your head that far up your arse.

He always does a runner when put on the spot, then comes back claiming he “proved” you wrong and “won”. Meanwhile reality carries on its relentless march.

I suspect UglyTruth is an enthusiast of recreational chemicals.
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May 27, 2013 9:18pm
Johnboy

Tut tut disgusting fellow that Ugly.

I’ll just pour another gin and IT. 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:23pm
Dennis Horne

@Kea. No, UglyTruth has constructed an intricate and beautiful model of the Universe with everything in its place. Unfortunately the model is not reality, but that doesn’t matter. The main thing is everything is in its place. Neat, clever and wrong. Better to be wrong than uncertain. That is too upsetting. Better to change the facts than the model.
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May 27, 2013 9:25pm
Johnboy

So the Uglywrong Principle now replaces the Uncertainty Principle as the new reality of where it’s at, or isn’t, as the case may be.

What amazing times we live in! 🙂
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May 27, 2013 9:31pm
UglyTruth

You are assuming that light travels through space as a photon.

No, I am not.

You blatantly are.

You said: “That doesn’t explain why if you close one slit after the photon has passed through both it doesn’t make an interference pattern on the screen, that it “knows” after the event you have tried to “fool” it.”

You are assuming that the movement of energy from the point of emission to the point of absorption does not involve any interaction with the intervening medium. The wave characteristic of interference (i.e. your single “photon” passing through both slits) requires the existence of this medium.
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May 27, 2013 10:11pm
Kea

UglyTruth, but what did King Arthur have to say about duality ?
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May 27, 2013 10:21pm
Manolo

Doing his bit for ailing Europe: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/27/eu-exit-risks-us-trade-deal?CMP=twt_fd
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May 28, 2013 7:16am
Griff

Conspiracy nut wacks Trying to decide who’s whack is rational
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seems to me that Ut has constructed a world view that’s a little out there
just like ried
The other conspiracy nut wacks on that agw is a commie plot to take over the world
AGW denial is way more wacky yet many on here subscribe to this madness.
Rwnj are worse than commies
greed and fear of change are a really sad thing to base your reality on.
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May 28, 2013 7:54am
UglyTruth

seems to me that Ut has constructed a world view that’s a little out there

As opposed to the idea that a single particle of light called a photon can travel through two slits at the same time, interfering with itself as it does so?

The problem is that modern science wants to abandon the aether of classical physics in order to maintain consistency with the fundamental assumption of relativity that there is no preferred frame of reference.
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May 28, 2013 8:19am
Dennis Horne

Griff, g’day from Dennis.

What do you predict the temperature rise on the surface will be by the end of the century, if we continue releasing CO2 as we are now? The rise in sea level?

What do think NZ can do about it?
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May 28, 2013 8:19am
Dennis Horne

UglyTruth (859) Says: May 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am. As opposed to the idea that a single particle of light called a photon can travel through two slits at the same time, interfering with itself as it does so?

Where did I say a photon is a single particle of light? This is what I wrote:

Dennis Horne (1,234) Says: May 27th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
@UglyTruth. Explain the double slit experiment in quantum mechanics, you know, where a photon goes through both slits at the same time and interferes with itself like a wave, hits the screen as a particle and part of the interference pattern.

I don’t understand the nature of light. Neither do you, do you? Yes/No
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May 28, 2013 10:14am
UglyTruth

Where did I say a photon is a single particle of light?

You didn’t. But that is the popular conception of it.

A photon is an elementary particle …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

I don’t understand the nature of light. Neither do you, do you? Yes/No

I don’t claim to have a complete understanding of the nature of light. But I do claim that the wave-like properties of light mean that the nature of the medium that light travels in must be taken into account in in order to develop a complete understanding.
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May 28, 2013 11:37am
Dennis Horne

@UglyTruth. Fair enough, I’ll let you wriggle. There is no reason why Man should understand light, we are not here by design.
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May 28, 2013 12:21pm
Griff

3 c for doubling co2
We will hit double in twenty years
it will take a century or more for the full rise in temperature to be apparent
the present impacts will increase until it becomes apprent that future civilisation is in jeopardy.
Usa severe drought
Australia massive heat wave last year
England had been alternating between drought heateave and flood
We will see hundred year extremes become ten year than normal weather
2030 is my educated guess at the point where the impacts will start causing chaos globaly
Hunger will cause massive migration and conflict on a world wide scale
we need to debate agw without the wingnuts denial clouding the debate
2c is the international recognise limit on safe warming
all evidence points to this being the result of our present 400ppm hence 350.org
civilisation is up shit creek if we don’t change our energy sources away from hydrocarbons now.
Denial hinders the chance of this happening
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