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Harriet

God forgives all those who sin! 😎
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May 21, 2013 8:01am
Chuck Bird

I bet some of these threats come from those who demand tolerance.

Lesbian bed ban sparks threats and abuse

The owners of a guesthouse who refused to let a lesbian couple share a bed are standing firm despite threats.

Karen and Michael Ruskin, of Pilgrim Planet Lodge, in central Whangarei, say they have received death threats and verbal abuse over their stance on homosexuality.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8695515/Lesbian-bed-ban-sparks-threats-and-abuse
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May 21, 2013 8:08am
Lance

Shock horror…

People how rabidly pursue ultra liberal agendas are hypocrites.
Who would have thought?
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May 21, 2013 8:15am
Colville

Lance..I think you will find more than a few hypocrites in the God botherer camp too…

Just sayin 🙂
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May 21, 2013 8:18am
Harriet

World Congress of Families.

The latest gathering of the premier international family convention has just finished in Sydney, Australia, and it was a raging success.

One speaker after another demonstrated how the well-being of families leads directly to the well-being of nations. Healthy, functioning families make for healthy, functioning societies, while broken families result in broken economies and broken countries.

Some 600 eager delegates were able to spend three full days listening to numerous authorities on family, marriage and related issues. Along with Dr Carlson were other international keynote speakers such as…….Bob McCoskrie! 😎

Nonetheless protestors did come to the Sydney conference, seeking to disrupt things, but the police did a good job of keeping them at bay. But just imagine: Actually protesting the family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One might as well target a conference extolling the advantages of breathing, or eating. Just think if those topics were attacked as being intolerant, bigoted and judgmental.

The very fact that we have to put on international conferences to defend and promote marriage and family shows just how far we have degenerated as a society. Up until recently, everyone simply enjoyed and did family, as we simply eat and breathe.

But today we actually have to justify why we think family is good, and marriage an honourable estate. Our topsy-turvy world now celebrates and encourages attacks on marriage and family, while regarding the upholding of these historic social institutions as somehow being a bigoted and hateful thing.

As long as this climate of moral inversion and mental mushiness persists, then conferences such as this will always be needed.

As G K Chesterton once wrote:

“This triangle of truisms, of father, mother and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilisations which disregard it.” 😎

Until sanity returns to the West, and family is once again regarded as the supreme good, and a blessing unequalled, we will have need for such conferences. Long may the World Congress of Families prosper.

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/05/19/world-congress-of-families-7/
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May 21, 2013 8:20am
RF

Pure gold on News Talk Zb this morning. Mike Hosking and the team were rubbishing wussell norman and going to declare a Wuzzel free zone. They are tired on his non stop negativity and moaning about everything in his high pitched squeeky voice. love this !!!!!!
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May 21, 2013 8:21am
Manolo

The taming of the press: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/20/justice-department-obtained-records-fox-news-journalist/
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May 21, 2013 8:23am
Judith

Harriet (1,795) Says:
May 21st, 2013 at 8:01 am
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My God said to tell you that’s a crock. If I sin today and he’s not involved, forget forgiveness, he wants a divorce.
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May 21, 2013 8:28am
Harriet

Now now Judith don’t be silly. 😎
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May 21, 2013 8:36am
Chuck Bird

Did you get to the conference Harriet?
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May 21, 2013 8:36am
Judith

Ecstasy and Alcohol during pregnancy can cause brain damage to the fetus, according to new study.
http://www.voxy.co.nz/health/evidence-ecstasy-and-alcohol-cause-problems-during-pregnancy/5/155946

whilst it is good to have confirmation of these things – surely most intelligent people have got the hint – taking any sort of mind altering drug, including alcohol during pregnancy is likely to cause problems for the baby.

If the message hasn’t got through by now, it never will – those that continue to expose their babies to drugs, will never stop – no matter how many studies confirm it.
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May 21, 2013 8:37am
Manolo

A follower of the “religion of peace” is allowed to do as he pleases: http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/mo_says_no/#commentsmore
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May 21, 2013 8:37am
Harriet

No Chuck I didn’t.

That link is an Australian site. A very very good one. Cheers.
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May 21, 2013 8:42am
Griff

Family does not change without belief in imaginary friends.
Women are not possessions as they were under the churches teachings. It is no longer legal to rape and beat your wife
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May 21, 2013 8:44am
Judith

Griff (4,896) Says:
May 21st, 2013 at 8:44 am
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How about putting laxative in the hubby’s coffee when he annoys you?
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May 21, 2013 8:47am
Harriet

“…..Women are not possessions as they were under the churches teachings. It is no longer legal to rape and beat your wife….”

What sort of church did you ever hear that sort of behaviour justified in Griff?

Or is it just here say…..from Kia…big bigot…..et al? 😎
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May 21, 2013 8:49am
mandk

Griff,

I once had the pleasure of hearing Judge Andrew Becroft, Principal Youth Court Judge, speak.

One of the things he told his audience that he had just finished a circuit in Wanganui and that, of the approximately 50 boys who appeared before him, only one had a father playing an active role in his life.

If you minimise the role of fathers and families, Griff, you will pay the price, even if an unfathered lad doesn’t rob you, sexually assault your daughter, or smash into your wife’s car while she is driving because he is off his head on P.

We will all pay the price.
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May 21, 2013 8:54am
Ashley Schaeffer

Re: Lesbian bed ban sparks threats and abuse

The message is loud and clear. Subscribe to our liberal orthodoxy or we will persecute you mercilessly and ruin your lives. I wonder how this would have played out if the owners of the bed and breakfast were Muslim? I think the liberal worldview would have collapsed in on itself.
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May 21, 2013 8:56am
Manolo

Griff, have you been talking to P.G. lately? Where did you get your rubbish anti-male propaganda from?
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May 21, 2013 8:58am
dime

“…..Women are not possessions as they were under the churches teachings. It is no longer legal to rape and beat your wife….”

oh ffs! the wedding is off
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May 21, 2013 8:59am
Don the Kiwi

Harriet.
8.20 am.

There is an absolute tosser who gave this comment a thumbs down.

Who would be against family and children? I can’t understand the mindlessness of some people.

I’ll wager $50 the person hasn’t got the guts to ‘fess up.
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May 21, 2013 9:12am
mandk

Collville says: “Lance..I think you will find more than a few hypocrites in the God botherer camp too…”

Quite correct. But it looks like you are simply trying to excuse hypocracy.

Jesus reserved some of his most powerful teachings to denounce religious hypocrites.
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May 21, 2013 9:14am
mandk

Don the Kiwi
Sadly there are now more than one.
Sewer rats
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May 21, 2013 9:15am
Judith

Don the Kiwi (958) Says:
May 21st, 2013 at 9:12 am
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Twasn’t me.

But if I give it a thumbs down now, can I have $50 – seems like a good way to earn some money. 🙂

Will wait for your answer before applying the ‘thumb’.
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May 21, 2013 9:17am
pollywog

Tempted to take the $50 wager and offer the culprit 20 to fess up…
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May 21, 2013 9:25am
Paulus

Whilst exercising this morning I listened to Radio Left Wing, and to my surprise was a discussion on Pacific Island educational and academic aspiration, by two PI representatives, a lady Academic and a Pastor.

Both were implicitly favourable to the subject and during the discussion made it clear that the role models PI children used were wrong, and gave the young the wrong impression – sporting heroes (Rugby Players) are the norm, and both speakers felt that the PI children must look elsewhere for role models. They said and this now clear that PI children are beginning to do well at Universities, and that these correct aspirations should continue.

It was interesting that no comparison with Maori was put forward, but it could be construed that PI children were beginning to see the academic light and it was only but that route that the way out of poverty should be directed.

For a change a good positive discussion rather that the usual crap the programme has, and there were few interruptions, which are the norm.
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May 21, 2013 9:40am
Griff

Dim the kiwi
was not me
Take it given a big red one
From me for the family’s of the fifties and before.
When the church ruled morality and abuse was ok as long as you were married.
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May 21, 2013 9:42am
Griff

The moari are education focused
On installing a stone age culture and language on us all
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May 21, 2013 9:47am
pollywog

Oh so thats what Ngai Tahu are doing Griff…

cheers for the heads up.

but i dont know that Pasifikan kids do role model on rugby players. Last i checked it was 50 cent and Kanye West. 🙄
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May 21, 2013 9:53am
Manolo

Pasifikan? WTF is that?
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May 21, 2013 9:56am
iMP

It sure is getting smelly in Denmark. Apparently the White House visitors log shows that Obama met with the union chief of the IRS the day before the targeting of conservative groups began. But he knows nothing. Yeah Right Mr Prez.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/well-how-very-interesting-mr-president/
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May 21, 2013 9:59am
RightNow

With Kanye West as your role model what could possibly go wrong?

“Yo Kim, Ima let you finish but oops I’m done”
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May 21, 2013 10:06am
pollywog

Really Manhole?

It’s like being European, but instead of coming from Europe you come from Pasifika.
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May 21, 2013 10:44am
Manolo

Pasifika? It must be be the land of refined culture, fine art and deep science, mustn’t it?
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May 21, 2013 10:47am
alloytoo

Religion defines sin, so you’re obliged to purchase your redemption.
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May 21, 2013 10:54am
dime

Looks like the dude who played King Henry in The Tudors is going to be a Jedi. Cool! A fine Jedi he will make
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May 21, 2013 10:55am
iMP

Bad rumblings at Downing Street over gay-marriage politics. A cross party revolt is on…

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/massive-revolt-in-conservative-party-gay-marriageeurope/
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May 21, 2013 12:02pm
mandk

Actually alloytoo, if you are a Christian you know that Jesus already purchased your redemption by dying on the cross. All you have to do to be saved is to acknowledge your sins and accept Jesus as your God and your Saviour.

Cue abuse and derision
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May 21, 2013 12:23pm
Kea

mandk, no Jesus rose from the dead, so he did not die.

You can not give something, take it back, then claim it as a sacrifice.
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May 21, 2013 12:35pm
cha

RIP Ray.

http://youtu.be/uK8psQE3-gc
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May 21, 2013 1:11pm
mandk

Kea: ” … Jesus rose from the dead, so he did not die”

He died, but he didn’t die. There’s a bit of a contradiction in there.

The Romans were pretty efficient executors, and the officer in charge would have been in serious trouble for bungling the job, so there is little doubt that He died. The question is whether you believe that He came back from the dead.
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May 21, 2013 1:14pm
Kea

He died, but he didn’t die. There’s a bit of a contradiction in there.

If we accept the biblical account (which is the only one) then it is claimed his non-death was a sacrifice. I would not call – not dying- a sacrifice, as would most people.

How about christians start putting money in the collection bowl then pulling it out again, then calling it a tithe ?
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May 21, 2013 1:17pm
dime

RIP Ray. Total legend!!

Good guy too
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May 21, 2013 1:25pm
RightNow

The music’s over.
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May 21, 2013 1:30pm
Kea

dime, is he really dead or only jesus dead ?
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May 21, 2013 1:33pm
Manolo

Imagine the outrage if this had happened under Bush. Shame on Obama’s corrupt administration:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328031/Report-Justice-Department-targeted-TWO-Fox-News-reporters-producer-talking-government-sources.html
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May 21, 2013 2:57pm
cha

I think accessing classified information is still illegal.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/702199-d-o-j-versus-james-rosen.html#document/p1
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May 21, 2013 3:31pm
cha

Oh shit.

http://youtu.be/xTpceWd8UE4
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May 21, 2013 4:58pm
Longknives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECk9A-07Pw
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May 21, 2013 5:46pm
UglyTruth

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/20/finally-independent-testing-of-rossis-e-cat-cold-fusion-device-maybe-the-world-will-change-after-all/

Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi’s E-Cat Cold Fusion Device: Maybe The World Will Change After All

Very briefly, LENR, otherwise called cold fusion, is a technique that generates energy through low temperature (far lower than hot fusion temperatures which are in the range of tens off thousands of degrees) reactions that are not chemical. Most importantly, LENR is, theoretically, much safer, much simpler, and many orders of magnitude cheaper than hot fusion

…

Published on May 16, the paper titled “Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device” would appear to deliver what we wanted.

The paper was authored by Giuseppe Levi of Bologna University, Bologna, Italy; Evelyn Foschi, Bologna, Italy; Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars Tegnér of Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden; and Hanno Essén, of the Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden. While some of these people have previously been public in their support of Rossi and the E-Cat they are all serious academics with reputations to loose and the paper is detailed and thorough.

…

… if we consider the whole volume of the reactor core and the most conservative figures on energy production, we still get a value of (7.93 ± 0.8) 102 MJ/Liter that is one order of magnitude higher than any conventional source.
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May 21, 2013 6:03pm
UglyTruth

The Romans were pretty efficient executors, and the officer in charge would have been in serious trouble for bungling the job,
so there is little doubt that He died.

Except for the fact that he previously had no difficulty in escaping from people when he wanted to and the Biblical account is an outlier. The Gospel of Barnabus, the Quran, and the Gnostic texts all say that the crucifixion was not what it appeared to be.
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May 21, 2013 6:09pm
nasska

Don the Kiwi

I tend not to use the “karma” feature much….if a comment is a load of bollocks it doesn’t need me to point it out. I would however have made an exception for Harriet’s 8.20am had I been following the forum at that time (work is the curse of the blog commenter). Additionally I would have been happy to “fess up” & consequently I would now be $50 richer. 🙂

The “thumb down” would not have been because I hate families…..rather it would be because I loathe sanctimonious, know all, religious garbage being introduced as news or independent comment when it is anything but. Why couldn’t Harriet have mentioned that Allan C Carson as a keynote speaker is a religious nutter ref: http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/Content/Organization/national_advisory_board.asp along with our home grown Godaddled motormouth Bob McCoskrie.

Thinly disguised religious propaganda pushed as social commentary deserves disapproval if not ridicule….I am happy to provide both.
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May 21, 2013 6:10pm
Kea

Can anyone explain why government agencies are registered as companies ?

Help !

If I do not get answer I may end up like UglyTruth. My conspiracy nut mate skypes me daily about this.
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May 21, 2013 6:18pm
UglyTruth

If I do not get answer I may end up like UglyTruth.

Unlikely, you’re still stuck in the humanist paradigm.
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May 21, 2013 6:26pm
Kea

Just what my mate would say. Got an answer ?

http://www.manta.com/ic/mvmhyk6/nz/new-zealand-police

http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3238729?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DNZ%2520police#
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May 21, 2013 6:30pm
UglyTruth

@Kea
IMO the answer is that it is part of govcorp’s civil control mechanism. It’s the same as the the rationale behind the corporate straw man, it enables govcorp to lawfully claim that the person must obey the state.
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May 21, 2013 6:57pm
nasska

A dinner speaker was in such a hurry to get to his engagement
that when he arrived and sat down at the head table, he suddenly
realized that he had forgotten his false teeth.

Turning to the man next to him he said, “I forgot my teeth!”

The man said, “No problem.” With that he reached into his pocket
and pulled out a pair of false teeth. “Try these,” he said.

The speaker tried them. “Thanks, but they’re too loose,” he said.

The man then said, “I have another pair…try these.”

The speaker tried them and responded, “Too tight.”

The man was not taken back at all. He then said, “I have one more
pair… try them.”

The speaker said, “They fit perfectly!” With that he ate his meal
and gave his address.

After the dinner meeting was over, the speaker went over to thank
the man who had helped him. “I want to thank you for coming to my
aid. Where is your office? I’ve been looking for a good dentist.”

The man replied, “Oh I’m not a dentist. I work at the morgue..”
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May 21, 2013 8:02pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly Truth,

The Gnostics et al have every reason to dispute that Our Lord did actually die on the Cross – they all want co-operation with evil rather than it being conquered. The Resurrection was a real event that was captured on the Shroud of Turin as a holographic image, even though the naysayers keep trying to insist it is a Medieval forgery.
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May 21, 2013 8:25pm
Kea

The Shroud of Turin is not a fake. It is a 100 % genuine grubby bit of stained cloth.
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May 21, 2013 8:42pm
UglyTruth

Lucia Maria,
I take it that don’t have any problem with the idea that a just and compassionate deity would plan for his beloved son to be tortured to death after he had described a preferred alternative to blood sacrifice?
Hos 6:6, Mat 9:13, Mat 12:7
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May 21, 2013 8:54pm
Kea

The god of the bible is a sadistic monster. He demanded and carried out infanticide, genocide and torture. He demanded parents kill their kids, and non virgin brides be stoned to death on her fathers doorstep ! He demands homos and naughty kids also be stonned to death along with those who work on Sundays to feed their families. The gruesome list goes on, but he saves the best until last. Eternal torture for finite arbitrary sins. Jesus introduced eternal torture for those who did not believe in him.

I would like to believe that the leader of this brutal cult died screaming on a cross with flies in his eyes. But of course this never happened because it is all make believe.

What is not make believe is the harm followers of this cult have done. The millions hideously tortured and the millions more for the crime of not believing in the exact same christian god. This still goes on today.
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May 21, 2013 9:08pm
UglyTruth

The god of the bible is a sadistic monster.

Which one? There are several.

But of course this never happened because it is all make believe.

Too easy. You don’t get to throw out history just because you don’t like what you think it means.
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May 21, 2013 9:18pm
Kea

Ugly it is not history. It is a made up story and rather an unpleasant one. There is no solid historical evidence for any of it.
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May 21, 2013 9:26pm
Kea

Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HBnc8YNaaQ
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May 21, 2013 9:29pm
UglyTruth

There is no solid historical evidence for any of it.

Except for the The Merneptah Stele (reference to Israel). the Tel Dan Stele (reference to the house of David), the lex talionis of Hammurabi (reference to semitic eye-for-an-eye retributive punishment), etc etc

http://www.equip.org/articles/biblical-archaeology-factual-evidence-to-support-the-historicity-of-the-bible/
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May 21, 2013 10:04pm
lilman

HELL UGLY I guess the local police tried to stop jesus many times,but gave up the pursuit ,You think? they are an immoral lot.
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May 21, 2013 10:44pm
Lucia Maria

UglyTruth,

No, I have no problem with it, if that’s what you are asking.

It’s easy to phrase what God did from a human perspective as the absolute worst thing a father could allow to have done to his son, except, we’re not talking about human beings here. We’re talking about the Creator of everything that ever existed and will exist, who allowed His own incarnated mind to be tortured to death by every sin of every man: past, present and future.

Of course God desires mercy and not sacrifice – He is the sacrifice. You can’t just take isolated verses from the Bible and expect them to mean something independently of everything else – it doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t even work that way with conversations in every day life. You always need context.
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May 21, 2013 11:03pm
Lucia Maria

The Shroud of Turin is not a fake. It is a 100 % genuine grubby bit of stained cloth.

With a picture on it of a crucified man that wasn’t even visible until a photographer took a picture of it and looked at the negative. The image is a photographic negative, something that would have been very difficult (ok, impossible) to fake before photography was invented.
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May 21, 2013 11:06pm
UglyTruth

Of course God desires mercy and not sacrifice – He is the sacrifice.

So your “God” does not desire his own nature.
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May 21, 2013 11:21pm
UglyTruth

Hey lilman, don’t you have a rock to go crawl under?
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May 21, 2013 11:25pm
axeman

Bodies are still being recovered from the wreckage after the tornado in Oklahoma, but ALARMISTS are already claiming it a result of CAGW.

US Senator Sheldon Whitehouse used the tragic weather events in Oklahoma to spout erroneous alarmist Global Warming rhetoric.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/20/us-senator-sheldon-whitehouse-from-rhode-island-povides-erroneous-information-to-american-public-in-global-warming-rant/#more-86646
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May 21, 2013 11:49pm
Kea

Britain’s House of Commons votes to legalize gay marriage in England, Wales

http://rt.com/news/gay-marriage-england-vote-594/
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May 22, 2013 7:24am
Manolo

Griff will side with this nutter: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/20/democratic-senator-goes-on-anti-gop-rant-over-climate-change-as-tornadoes-hit-oklahoma/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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