General Debate 17 May 2013

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Harriet

The Lord will save all who sin! 😎
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May 17, 2013 8:01am
RightNow

Right, I’d better get on with it then.

Cue Mr Narcissistic Personality Disorder…
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May 17, 2013 8:02am
Redbaiter

Another day of the National Party sending they’re gutless little poodle lapdog in to Kiwiblog to harass Redbaiter?

What do you reckon?

Numerous posts yesterday attacking Redbaiter but hardly a one with any substantiative comment on any issue.

Surely the Nat’s inner control circle couldn’t be worried about some insignificant blogger and commenter could they?
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May 17, 2013 8:03am
Dennis Horne

The Lord will save all who sin!

What’s He saving them for? There’s always going to be plenty of fresh ones around.
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May 17, 2013 8:03am
Manolo

The Left never rests: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8683110/Council-asked-to-back-living-wage
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May 17, 2013 8:08am
Chuck Bird

I hear that passenger who refused to give up her seat is well known on social media. Does anyone know her name?
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May 17, 2013 8:09am
bhudson

Surely the Nat’s inner control circle couldn’t be worried about some insignificant blogger and commenter could they?

There seems to be a healthy dose of Chris Carter Complex going on in Little Red Risible’s Hood
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May 17, 2013 8:10am
Lance

Why are more and more commentators here speaking in the third person?
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May 17, 2013 8:11am
tvb

The Lady who refused to give up her seat should be outed. Had I been in her position I would have given up my seat immediately. It was only a one hour flight.
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May 17, 2013 8:14am
Dennis Horne

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10883942

Photo of the woman in the wheelchair. Where is the wheelchair?
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May 17, 2013 8:14am
Redbaiter

Well bhudson, I am only applying logic to the situation.

Why else would coward Kevin spend all of his day on here so desperately attempting the Alinsky tactic of ridicule (typical of far left National)?

Its a working day for most so one would expect that he would be in the employ of someone, and although Kevin got moved sideways lately he’s no doubt still got a brief to preserve the PM’s image.

So the question is bhudson do you think the National Party sends Kevin here to harass commenters who don’t approve of the far left nature of John Key’s leadership?

Yes? No? Maybe?
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May 17, 2013 8:15am
RightNow

They’re getting a dime complex Lance.
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May 17, 2013 8:15am
Dennis Horne

Why are more and more commentators here speaking in the third person?

They’re not all there?
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May 17, 2013 8:16am
Manolo

Why are more and more commentators here speaking in the third person?

I blame dime for it. 🙂
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May 17, 2013 8:17am
Redbaiter

“The Lady who refused to give up her seat should be outed.”

Oooh yeah, there’s always the mainstream media liberals, those despicable hyenas, waiting to sit in judgement on anyone with a spark of mental strength.

This was an airline foul up.

The flight attendants should have had the required chair to transport the woman to her aisle seat.

No reason for any passenger to give up their seat merely to compensate for the fact that incompetent airline staff haven’t done their job.
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May 17, 2013 8:20am
Kea

“Photo of the woman in the wheelchair. Where is the wheelchair?”

I note she is described as at television producer, so she is well accustomed to misrepresentation of the facts.
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May 17, 2013 8:24am
dishy

Redbaiter, you seem to invite harassment. I’m happy to oblige. Do you not know the difference between “they’re” and “their”? Or are you in too much of a hurry to burst into print with your arms swinging?
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May 17, 2013 8:24am
Redbaiter

Oh dishy. You’re really on to the substantive points I can see. You’ll be a big contributor to informed debate here for sure.

Do you think National Party officials are here on Kiwiblog being paid to attack anti-Key commenters?

Yes or no?
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May 17, 2013 8:27am
mandk

mandk thinks that people here who insist on speaking in the thrid person will soon be a dime a dozen
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May 17, 2013 8:28am
Simon

“The Government has found itself with about $1bn more in tax revenue than forecast and expects that growth in tax revenue to continue at 5% pa over the next four years, roughly twice the rate of GDP growth, forecast at 2.5% pa. This has allowed the Government to announce around $5.1bn of extra spending over the next four years”

From PWC report.

FFS. $5.1 billion of extra spending because revenue is higher than expected. National a bunch of statist turds. Give the money back. Tax rates are too high. Lower the bloody tax rates again and government revenue will be even higher again in a few years time. National choose to join the greedy fantasy world of the left and can’t see what is in front of them.

National are 90% Labor addicted to pissing away other peoples money away.
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May 17, 2013 8:28am
Dennis Horne

“Wheelchaired” women are special so need special treatment. Eh? Isn’t that discrimination? Oh! Okay, it’s positive discrimination. That’s not discrimination.

If the “nasty” woman didn’t want to give up her legitimate seat, the airline should have bought it back from her. Compensation. Calling Dunce Binnie…

Personally, I would have given my seat to someone deserving, but methinks this cripple may not be as incapacitated as she would have us believe. She wanted more space. We all do.
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May 17, 2013 8:34am
dishy

Reddy, the answer to your question is: “No. There are enough people who will quite happily give freely of their time to express their views, which may or may not accord with the views of others. Opposition to your views does not have to involve a conspiracy”.

By the way, I apologise for not seeing your opening comment as a contribution to substantive debate.
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May 17, 2013 8:36am
flipper

DPF picked it up and posted it… 🙂 🙂 🙂

But as I predicted, no mention yet in the lame MSM:

flipper (1,615) Says:
May 16th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Labour (51%) and the red melons (49%) embracing the mixed ownership model….. BRILLIANT 🙂

J Key has this afternoon delivered the very BEST political line in a long, long time.

Let’s see if the lamestreamers pick it up!

Vote: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
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May 17, 2013 8:39am
Manolo

National are 90% Labor addicted to pissing away other peoples money away.

Make that 99%, please.
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May 17, 2013 8:41am
thedavincimode

So, we have an interesting budget that completely erodes the liebour/melon assertions of high ground around a manufactured manufacturing crisis, housing and hungry kids – shutting them further out of the middle ground, puts the previous liebour/melons projected spend-ups into stark contrast with what this gummint is projecting and achieving, news around manufacturing and the IMF report. There is plenty to debate in terms of the tired cliché’s around political ground.

And what is the first response of the day by NZ’s leading political activist, political commentator, analyst and strategist; the one and only warrior spammer? A sad case of morning after tears on the pillow syndrome.

A great big blubby sook. What a cock. What a fraud and hypocrite.

hudson

Little Red Risible. That is very impressive. Copyrighted or public domain?
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May 17, 2013 8:44am
Griff

Weddy
do you think that your view counts?
Your retardist views are not mainstream.
You and the rest of the retards can screen lick all you like
You do not count for many votes
conservative views are exposed as hypocrisy
by kiddy fiddly leadership
If you run you will only be escaping from you own delusion
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May 17, 2013 8:46am
skyblue

Simon – I understand that although spending will increase the rate of increase in spending will be lower as they try and get govt spending as a % of GDP down from around 36% now to 31%. This is an aim of the current administration. The fruit loops however think 36% is not enough and will in likelyhood increase this to over 40%.
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May 17, 2013 8:47am
Redbaiter

Check’s back..

Nothing. (apart from the rantings of paid National Party progressive propagandists)

Oh well, back to work.
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May 17, 2013 8:50am
hmmokrightitis

Dear me weddy, third person, meds not kicking in as yet? lap dogs? Youre sounding more like the SheBeast every day.

A thought occurs – if Weddy and Ms Not-So coupled, what would the spawn look like? And would it be progressive?

And more importantly, would weddy be happy never being on top?
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May 17, 2013 8:53am
skyblue

Good news Griff from one of your reference sites, ABC:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-03/pacific-islands-growing-not-sinking/851738
Looks like we don’t need to take on the climate refugees after all and have dumbarse ‘Green’ taxes, not that the C market is worth much.

Yet more evidence that at 400ppm CO2 the world is no where near armagedon we keep getting promised.

16 years with no increase in warming.
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May 17, 2013 8:57am
Kea

skyblue, I note the scientists say the coral is growing, yet the alarmists have been telling us it is dying.
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May 17, 2013 9:03am
skyblue

Kea – Alarmists are not scientists so what would they know!
Climate change ‘science’ is what I term ‘anti science’. In normal science (which I have done in my 20 years on and off in chemicals/ pharmaceutical R&D) you have a theory and test the theory and from the results you get a conclusion. In ‘anti science’ the conclusion is pre determined, in this case – ‘Manmade global warming is happening and we need to mitigate this blah blah blah by increasing taxes etc.’ Then they look for the results to fit the conclusion (cherry picking). This is I bet a lot of the methods used by the likes of NIWA etc. Of course politicians latch onto this big time and tell us the sky is falling in.
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May 17, 2013 9:12am
Chuck Bird

Have the people who believe it was acceptable for the woman to refuse to give up her seat considered the options if a narrow wheelchair could not have been obtained?

The disabled woman would have had to miss her flight. Alternatively she would have had to crawl or be dragged along the aisle to another seat.

The only positive thing about this is if Air NZ asks a man sitting next to an unaccompanied minor to move he can just say NO.

I hope someone knows who this woman is. She is meant to be known as someone involved in social media.
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May 17, 2013 9:12am
Kea

I just did a quick google search. The internet is full of alarmist articles, (by respected “scientific” authorities) telling us the worlds corals are dying off masssively. They also predict small coral islands dissapearing under water.

So how do they explain this ?

Climate scientists have expressed surprise at findings that many low-lying Pacific islands are growing, not sinking.

The findings, published in the magazine New Scientist, were gathered by comparing changes to 27 Pacific islands over the last 20 to 60 years using historical aerial photos and satellite images.

“Eighty per cent of the islands we’ve looked at have either remained about the same or, in fact, gotten larger,” he said.

“Some of those islands have gotten dramatically larger, by 20 or 30 per cent.

“We’ve now got evidence the physical foundations of these islands will still be there in 100 years.”
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May 17, 2013 9:13am
Prince

“Another day of the National Party sending they’re gutless little poodle lapdog in to Kiwiblog to harass Redbaiter?”

Don’t they KNOW WHO YOU ARE, Redbaiter ?
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May 17, 2013 9:16am
Griff

As always
focus on distractions
the new York subway flooded
Infrastructures that are exposed to sea level rise
Are not constructed to 50 year flood events any longer
Auckland moterways are a case in point
the nw is flooding in storms now
As is tamiki drive
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May 17, 2013 9:18am
thedavincimode

So how do they explain this ?

The ocean is in fact leaking into the space created by the pillaging of natural resources; off shore oil exploitation being the biggest contributor. The falling ocean levels mean that low lying Pacific islands actually appear to be growing. This is attributed to coral growth by the deniests when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
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May 17, 2013 9:20am
kowtow

The language of identity politics.

How can Tanya Black have been “discriminated” against?

What difference does it make that the “callous and uncaring” woman was “well turned out” and blond? Is that code for rich bitch? If so, is that not hate speech and “discrimination “too?

The “fuss” is not by the Gold Elite bird it’s being made by Black and is a deliberate tactic to show crime is committed daily against disabled people,that’s her job isn’t it?

People calling for the head of the blond chick are being played very well.More useful idiots.
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May 17, 2013 9:20am
Kea

Griff, any comment on:

1. The coral islands growing ?

2. Why the alarmists lied about what was happening ?

3. Why they claimed the worlds coral was dying off, when satelite data has shown it was growing ?

4. What this means for the theory the ocean is warming ? (its not)
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May 17, 2013 9:26am
Harriet

If there is ever a contest for words that substitute for thought, “diversity” should be recognized as the undisputed world champion.

How does a racially homogeneous country like Japan manage to have high quality education, without the essential ingredient of diversity, for which there is supposedly a “compelling” need?

Conversely, why does India, one of the most diverse nations on Earth, have a record of intergroup intolerance and lethal violence today that is worse than that in the days of Jim Crow?

Even to ask such questions is to provoke charges of unworthy tactics, and motives too low to be dignified with an answer. Not that the true believers in diversity could answer anyway.

Among the candidates for runner-up to “diversity” as the top word for making thought obsolete is “fair.”

Apparently everyone is entitled to a “fair share” of a society’s prosperity, whether they worked 16-hour days to help create that prosperity or did nothing more than live off the taxpayers, or depend on crime to bring in some money.

Apparently we owe them all something just for gracing us with their presence, even if we feel that we could do quite well
without them.

At the other end of the income scale, the rich are supposed to pay their “fair share” of taxes. But at neither end of the income scale is a “fair share” defined as a particular number or proportion, or in any other concrete way. It is just a political synonym for “more,” dressed up in moralistic-sounding rhetoric.
What “fair” really means is more arbitrary power for government.

Another word that shuts down thought is “access.” People who fail to meet the standards for a job or a mortgage are often said to have been denied “access” or “opportunity”.
But equal ‘access’ or equal ‘opportunity’ is not the same as equal probability of success.

“Affordable” is another popular word that serves as a substitute for thought. To say that everyone is entitled to “affordable housing” is very different from saying that everyone should decide what kind of housing he or she CAN afford.

Government programs to promote “affordable housing” are programs to allow some people to decide what housing they want and force other people — taxpayers, landlords, or whatever — to absorb a share of the cost of a decision that they had no voice in making.

More generally, making various things “affordable” in no way increases the amount of wealth in a society above what it would be when prices are “prohibitively expensive.” On the contrary, price controls reduce incentives to produce.

None of this is rocket science. But if you don’t stop and think, it doesn’t matter whether you are a genius or a moron.

Words that stop people from thinking reduce even smart people to the same level as morons.

And that’s why socialists in National and Labour use them – they think you’re a moron! 😎
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May 17, 2013 9:27am
skyblue

Weather ain’t climate Griff. SUBway says it all, underground.
Tornados in USA have not increased at all in the past 30 years either, despite better reporting.
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May 17, 2013 9:33am
burt

Socialism at it’s finest

NZ – This is what the Green/Labour government want for NZ…..
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May 17, 2013 9:38am
skyblue

Burt – this is part of the transformation to being an Islamist/Muslim Republic.

You have to learn to wipe your arse with your left hand paper free as practised in the Middle East. Christian acts of using toilet paper will be forbidden in decades to come as we need to save the planet and trees are precious.

Good old Venesvula, all the oil in the world but they cannot afford toilet paper!
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May 17, 2013 9:51am
Manolo

The vile “religion of peace” strikes again: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/8683441/Children-among-suicide-bombing-dead-in-Kabul
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May 17, 2013 9:54am
RightNow

Griff (4,872) Says:
May 17th, 2013 at 9:18 am

As always
focus on distractions
the new York subway flooded
Infrastructures that are exposed to sea level rise
Are not constructed to 50 year flood events any longer
Auckland moterways are a case in point
the nw is flooding in storms now
As is tamiki drive

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The NY subway flooded – it was expected to, so why didn’t they build infrastructure to mitigate for it? Slowing/stopping CO2 emissions isn’t going to make any significant impact on the climate, so the infrastructure to mitigate against extreme weather events needs to be built anyway. Instead of wasting money on stupid stuff, why aren’t pragmatic measures being undertaken?
That’s right – the bullshitters are running the show.
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May 17, 2013 9:57am
mandk

Griff:
“the new York subway flooded
Infrastructures that are exposed to sea level rise
Are not constructed to 50 year flood events any longer
Auckland moterways are a case in point
the nw is flooding in storms now
As is tamiki drive”

as you have frequently told us, these are examples of weather.

extensive snow in England yesterday. proof positive of global warming
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May 17, 2013 9:59am
joana

Red,
You get a lot of positive ticks on here..Just ignore the people who have time to get personal. The personal sniping lowers the tone of the whole blog and takes away from it being any kind of discussion or debate. The most interesting and the most mature commenters on here steer clear of the personal slagging. The best response is no response.
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May 17, 2013 10:00am
dime

“Another day of the National Party sending they’re gutless little poodle lapdog in to Kiwiblog to harass Redbaiter?”

BAHAHAHAHAHA I cant imagine why! With your winning personality.

Dime has a spare few mins. Here are some highlights from reddy yesterday:

1. You’re hopeless, and that your good friend Farrar lets you get away with your impotent progressive shit is one reason the quality of this blog is falling by the day.

2. Just because you’re a crawling National Party flunky you are permitted to behave as you wish, and you apparently cannot stop yourself from constantly abusing that special privilege. That makes you another of the submissive cowards who have reduced National to the centrist faction of the Labour Party.

3. Nobody else would get away with such a breach of protocol other than some spineless little homosexual Nat Party John Key sycophant.

4. smttc- try to stifle your bigotry and intolerance. Many of my posts here on Kiwiblog attract upticks, and on positive vote basis, I am still the most popular commenter on Whale Oil by far. – lol

5. Jezus, you commies have absolutely no regard for protocol.

6. FFS, why can’t you losers add something to the real discussion? Fucking hopeless. – haha

7. You’re just a thread abuser you hopeless dipshit. Like most of your commie mates. Fuck off. Take it to GD.

8. You’re just a moron Dime. All you and your buddies can do is destroy the thread by abusing it to have a go at Redbaiter. Lame arsed losers selfish and ill mannered, you don’t have a brain or an upbringing among the lot of you. – ouch!

9. Its why the comments section of this blog is so hopeless. Populated by so many brain dead losers who unfortunately are typical of the mindset that purports to oppose Labour, but who so often find themselves on common ground with the far left they are only very rarely ever able to claim a victory.

10. Kevin, you’re another pitiful and abject loser with your sad belief in legend and fable.

11. You people are such despicable turds, and that is why you belong on the left, and that fact is apparently quite indiscernible to you.

12. Now fuck off over to GD and cut and paste a few more of your stupid tired toothless old man jokes you pathetic loser.

13. I know you’re funny Narsekissa, the presumptuous and dripping with arrogance smiley face at the end of every comment leaves no doubt.

14. Wow there’s Kevin Coward with yet another pointless smear. Ain’t he just so funny?How many comments today aimed at Redbaiter is that you obsessive yellow back. 10? 20?

15. Its been taken away from those principles by drooling idiots like you with the political perspective of a garden gnome. Such a limited frame of reference you don’t have a hope of ever knowing right from left and are therefore doomed to drag us all down in your lame ignorance.

16. And it doesn’t matter what your political beliefs might be. You’re dumb, as your writing shows, and you’ll never get it anyway.

17. A view born of incredible ignorance but sadly not an uncommon one amongst brothel divers and Chinese sweatshop importers.

18. Yes that’s right Keeping Stock, you cowardly cur.

19. The limp wristed cowards in that town deserve what they get. Allowing themselves to be dictated to and pushed around by some ugly Marxist bitch with a big mouth.

20. Try to refrain from the misconception that I write here in an attempt to gain the respect of rambling fuckwits like you.

21. Must be difficult to comment with your lips so firmly attached to Johnny’s penis Kevin.Bet you have to jostle to get your turn there these days.

22. Because you don’t know what an utter bore you are?

23. Oh dear, another pointless little hurt faggot comment.

sorry if the formatting is shite.. i copied into word first.

someone up reds meds!
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May 17, 2013 10:01am
Jack5

One for the multiculturists who argue that all cultures are equal.

British Pakistani Muslims’ attitude towards women leads to rape of white children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10060570/Oxford-grooming-gang-We-will-regret-ignoring-Asian-thugs-who-target-white-girls.html
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May 17, 2013 10:06am
UglyTruth

The vile “religion of peace” strikes again

The usual prejudice, Manolo. The US goes in, radicalises them, uses them as proxies, disowns then, and then the retards blame Islam when there is “blowback”.

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
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May 17, 2013 10:07am
Griff

Ostrich thinking was the reason
the warnings in the forecast of storm track were ignored
resulting in a lack of preparedness
Sea level rise is incressing
Due to icemelt and water expanding as it warms
Climate change is scary for wingnuts
😆
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May 17, 2013 10:08am
Redbaiter

“Red, You get a lot of positive ticks on here..Just ignore the people who have time to get personal. The personal sniping lowers the tone of the whole blog and takes away from it being any kind of discussion or debate. The most interesting and the most mature commenters on here steer clear of the personal slagging. The best response is no response.”

Thanks Joana.

You’re right.

I am just too vain to stop attracting their attention. 🙂
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May 17, 2013 10:11am
skyblue

Griff – Recent snowfall anomalies in Dronning Maud Land, East Antarctica:
Enhanced snowfall on the East Antarctic ice sheet is projected to significantly mitigate 21st century global sea level rise. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50559/abstract
From a reputable Journal as well and real scientists.
The scam is un winding more and more.

16 years with no appreciable warming.
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May 17, 2013 10:20am
dime

“Red,
You get a lot of positive ticks on here..Just ignore the people who have time to get personal. The personal sniping lowers the tone of the whole blog and takes away from it being any kind of discussion or debate. The most interesting and the most mature commenters on here steer clear of the personal slagging. The best response is no response.”

lmao yes true. god knows why people would take a shot at the lovely redbaiter. he never chips away at anyone.

the sad thing about red is he does make good points, he just wraps them up in turds and throws them at people.

red – youre a well read guy. ive followed many a link youve posted in the past. it just gets old when youre constantly telling everyone “they are too stupid to understand”.

god forbid someone asks you to clarify a point.
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May 17, 2013 10:23am
RightNow

Griff

Ostrich thinking was the reason
the warnings in the forecast of storm track were ignored
resulting in a lack of preparedness
Sea level rise is incressing
Due to icemelt and water expanding as it warms
Climate change is scary for wingnuts

Yeah, Ostrich thinking by the people who believe CO2 is the root of all evil.
The people who keep telling us they know that the best way forward is to stop using fossil fuels.
Those people – they’re the ostriches. They fly around the world having bitch fests about how the world needs to stop using so much fossil fuel, while ignoring pragmatic solutions to the actual threats.

Sea level rise of up to 70cm by 2100 is not a big threat, and not unnatural. Ancient civilisations figured out how to build levees and divert watercourses.
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May 17, 2013 10:28am
Griff

400 Pam
Locks in 2 c
the international agreed limit
I do not see o2 emisions halting their exponential growth

its missing down my pile of topsoil is mud
Samsung
xcover rugged smartphone awesome for contractors out in the real world
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May 17, 2013 10:41am
skyblue

It ain’t been warming sunshine for 16 years.

Samsung may be rugged but spellcheck is shit.
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May 17, 2013 10:47am
RightNow

“its missing down my pile of topsoil is mud
Samsung
xcover rugged smartphone awesome for contractors out in the real world”

I guess the auto-correct on the Samsung doesn’t like ‘pissing’?

Can you take videos underwater like you can with a Motorola Defy?
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May 17, 2013 10:51am
hmmokrightitis

Too much awesomeness not to share 🙂

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/judith-collins-fails-replicant-test/
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May 17, 2013 10:57am
Kea

Griff, why did your climate scientists lie about the dying coral ?

It was not simply a failed prediction, it was an outright lie, as the evidence has been available for a long time now. There are hundreds of papers with dire warnings and dramatic claims about sinking islands and coral dying. When in reality the coral was growing and the islands increasing in size.

Do you think the fact the weathermens only source of income is alarmism had anything to do with it ? I do.
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May 17, 2013 11:04am
Griff

Sorry I had water to lick of the screen
It has not warmed in the surface records significantly since the warmest year in the last 2000years
the water in the oceans has warmed faster
this trend will reverse.
When it does our options will be limited
dot dot dot
aussie usa Nz had drought
Europe has had heatwaves
England heatwave extreme wet
climate change is scary for wingnuts
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May 17, 2013 11:05am
ChardonnayGuy

Meanwhile, in Germany…

“The Red and the Green” The Economist: 11.05.2013: 21-22: http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21577388-trying-outflank-angela-merkel-germanys-centre-left-moves-further-left-red-and-green
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May 17, 2013 11:16am
RightNow

“climate change is scary for wingnuts”

I guess it is scary for you, but don’t be afraid, some good engineering solutions will take care of it.
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May 17, 2013 11:17am
Kea

Griff, the alarmists claimed dying coral as evidence of climate change. They considered it very signifigant evidence of ocean warming. Now we see that coral is growing. Based on their claims this indicates the oceans are not warming, as the alarmists claimed coral bleaching and dying would be the result of warming. It is not dying, so it can not be warming.

Just accept the evidence that they are wrong Griff.

Europe and the UK have just had another terrible winter with people freezing to death and record snowfalls and ice. I & others have shown you this and still you lie.
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May 17, 2013 11:27am
kowtow

Blair will get what he wanted , English culture will be a minority one in 20 years. More people in Britain will be practising Muslims than Christian.And while the rabidly anti Christian here will welcome the collapse in church identification in Britain the Muslims and secularists will use this to call for changes in the ancient English consitution.
There will be more division and more bloodshed. Mass immigration ,multiculturalism and progressive policies are fatal to host cultures.

Britain has been Balkanised and the consequences will be dreadful.The early signs are there already.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10062745/Christianity-declining-50pc-faster-than-thought-as-one-in-10-under-25s-is-a-Muslim.html
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May 17, 2013 11:46am
Fletch

Musical break.

The Beach Boys released Pet Sounds today (in the US) in 1966. Here is the first track Wouldn’t it Be Nice without the music track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPN53PHDwe4

Mind blowingly cool 😯
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May 17, 2013 12:04pm
bhudson

Little Red Risible. That is very impressive. Copyrighted or public domain?

tdvm,

Public domain. To bastardise Churchill: “Use it early, use it often.”
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May 17, 2013 12:05pm
Kea

kowtow, forget about the English culture and religion. They have.

Secularists/atheists are about the only group less liked by Muslims than the Jews and Christians. As a group atheists are oppossed to all religion, not just your one. Nothing personal 😉
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May 17, 2013 12:06pm
Griff

Don’t you like the rise in theorocrcy worshiping your god kowtow ing 7times a day

go goatboys fans

stick it to the jesus zombie eaters
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May 17, 2013 12:19pm
Andrei

Ultimately Kea yours is a loosing proposition because Atheists are far inferior to the religious when it comes to raising lots of kids.

And what is scary about the linked article is that the median age of English Muslims is 25 whereas the median age of the Native English is nearly forty ie the Natives are leaving their fecund years whereas the Muslims are at their reproductive peak
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May 17, 2013 12:20pm
Kea

Andrei, yes you have a point. Europeans themselves are getting less religious, however this is more than being made up for by immigration, typically from Muslim countries. And as you have noted, the birth rate is far higher for the guest culture.
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May 17, 2013 12:25pm
Griff

Back to the window licking kea :-)look it snowed
in western Europe
Remember the picture with global anomaly
when you clear your spittle you can see more warm then cold
more pinky homo red than pale blue
The globe is warm despite areas that are unusually cold
the only one lying
is the wingnuts to themselfs
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May 17, 2013 12:33pm
RightNow

“Back to the window licking kea”

From the guy who just told us he licks his phone.
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May 17, 2013 12:37pm
Kea

Griff, we were talking about Coral, not the record sea ice in the Baltic a few weeks ago, or the coldest temperatures in living memory endured in the North.

The alarmists used coral as evidence of a warming ocean and a collapse of the entire oceanic eco system. Yet we can see coral is growing. That is not a theory, it is observed fact.

It calls into question the entire theory on which those failed predictions were based. At the very least it shows a warming ocean is not damaging to marine life in the manner previously suggested.
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May 17, 2013 12:38pm
Kea

A Griff classic : “The globe is warm despite areas that are unusually cold” 🙂

Very profound !

The coral reefs are dissapearing, despite the areas where they are rapidly expanding.

Sea ice is dissapearing, despite areas where it is at record levels.

Extreme weather is increasing, despite the fact it is not.

Global warming is real, despite the fact it is not warming at all.

This is fun 🙂
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May 17, 2013 12:45pm
kowtow

griff

Don’t cheer too hard for the goat fuckers.In their world (coming to yours soon) I get to be a second class citizen,you and kea get your throats slit.
Mind you I suspect a lot of atheists would be finding religion pretty quick when the citadel is finally stormed.

kea,even if one doesn’t attend church our culture history traditions etc owe an awful lot to Christianity.That will all be lost.I think it’s past time for the church haters to get on board ,western civilisation requires unity in the face of this crisis.
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May 17, 2013 12:55pm
Manolo

Kea, the discrepancies are the addling effect known as Jamaican Gold Syndrome, induced by excessive consumption of such leaf.
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May 17, 2013 12:57pm
Kea

kowtow, I agree and I am on board. I am disgusted by the way the English have sold out their cultural heritage and have removed references to religious holidays, for example, so as not to offend Muslims ! I could go on an on, but I would be preaching to the converted.

You are right, if the Muslims get their way and establish global Sharia law, I will be the first to grow a big pious beard and start putting our feminist women in their rightful place as Allah intended 😉

And I am not a church hater but a truth lover.
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May 17, 2013 1:15pm
Griff

The great crusade against the hoards of the false prophet

has its amusement
when you don’t belve in sky pixies
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May 17, 2013 1:20pm
Harriet

Kea do you think life is meaningless and has no purpose – with you being an Atheist and all that?
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May 17, 2013 1:23pm
Kea

For example: Your school is not allowed to hold a nativity play; you cannot fly the flag of Saint George; you cannot call Christmas “Christmas” anymore; you cannot be promoted in the police force unless you are a minority; you cannot wear an England team shirt on the bus; you won’t get social housing unless you’re an immigrant; you cannot even speak up about these things, because you’ll be labeled a racist. “All of these examples,” says Lord Ashcroft, the study’s author, “make the point that the mainstream political parties are so in thrall to the prevailing culture of political correctness that they have ceased to represent the silent majority.”

http://blogs.reuters.com/mark-leonard/2013/05/09/uk-independence-party-renews-culture-wars/

Christmas has been banned by the Red Cross from its 430 fund-raising shops.
Staff have been ordered to take down decorations and to remove any other signs of the Christian festival because they could offend Moslems.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-152361/The-Red-Cross-bans-Christmas.html#ixzz2TVcf0PXE
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Fuck the Poms. They deserve all they get. They are insipid passionless people. They are never any good unless subjected to extreme hardship, then the bastards flourish ! Clearly things are not bad enough yet.
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May 17, 2013 1:30pm
Kea

Harriet, nice attempt at associating atheism with a meaningless life with no purpose.

I think life has no meaning beyond what we give it. That is not to say we can not enjoy life to the fullest in the time we have. It may have no purpose, but it is still worth living and I love life.

Do you believe in god because your ego can not face the truth about your own mortality, being a theist and all ? Do you live a bleak life in the hope you will be rewarded after you die ?
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May 17, 2013 1:36pm
Fletch

Kea, according to results of a study published in the Telegram, Britain’s Christian population faces a ‘Catastrophic Collapse’ as Islam continues to rise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10062745/Christianity-declining-50pc-faster-than-thought-as-one-in-10-under-25s-is-a-Muslim.html
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May 17, 2013 1:38pm
Fletch

Do you believe in god because your ego can not face the truth about your own mortality, being a theist and all ? Do you live a bleak life in the hope you will be rewarded after you die ?

Kea, um, there’s nothing “bleak” about living a Christian life. Unless you mean for the fact that Christians usually don’t abuse alcohol, drugs, sex and crime? Real Christians that follow the teaching of The Bible, anyway. I think most people will manage to do quite well without those excesses.
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May 17, 2013 1:43pm
Kea

Fletch, yes and they are not the only ones. Who do you blame for this ?

I blame the host culture. Muslims did not come and invade by force. It is not up to Muslim immigrants to protect and maintain English culture. It is up to the English to do that.

Us Westerners are cultural wimps. Middle Eastern, Asians, Africans etc defend their cultures and good on them. They all believe that when in Rome do as the Romans do. They are not the problem. We are.
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May 17, 2013 1:44pm
graham

From the “forget political correctness, two parents are better than one” files:

Both parents at home makes kids smarter – expert

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10884248

Children raised in a two-parent families do best at school, a conference has been told.

A “world family map” compiled by the Child Trends research centre was presented at the World Congress of Families in Sydney on Thursday.

It examined families in 45 countries around the world, including Australia.

One of the report’s authors, Dr Brad Wilcox from the University of Virginia’s National Marriage Project, said it showed that in most of the developed world children are more likely to thrive academically when they have two parents at home.

Dr Wilcox said 80 per cent of Australian children were growing up in a two-parent family, which he said gave them access to the “love, security, attention and financial resources that brings”.

These children were more likely to excel in reading and less likely to be held back at school than the children of single parents.

“It’s clear that the two-parent family gives a child a leg up in education,” he told the conference.
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May 17, 2013 1:45pm
Kea

Kea, um, there’s nothing “bleak” about living a Christian life. Unless you mean for the fact that Christians usually don’t abuse alcohol…

Yeah right ! 😉

I was only giving Harriet a taste of his own. Do unto others and all that…
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May 17, 2013 1:47pm
Ryan Sproull

Kea, according to results of a study published in the Telegram, Britain’s Christian population faces a ‘Catastrophic Collapse’ as Islam continues to rise.

That’s the market for you. Maybe Christianity should start using big-data analytics to personalise consumer experiences by demographic segmentation and measure its impact on Christianity’s Net Promoter Score.

Christianity should never have fired Steve Jobs in the ’80s!
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May 17, 2013 1:50pm
Kea

graham, the only people who claim two parents are not better than one are those behind the feminist led cause to destroy marriage. No group has done more to destroy family values than women. We have entire government ministries devoted to it, along with funding for anti male hate groups like the Refuge movement, who’s founders had the stated goal of destroying marriage and promoting lesbianism. Meanwhile everyone worries about a few poofs getting married, which was promoted by feminists also !
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May 17, 2013 1:51pm
Ryan Sproull

Dr Wilcox said 80 per cent of Australian children were growing up in a two-parent family, which he said gave them access to the “love, security, attention and financial resources that brings”.

These children were more likely to excel in reading and less likely to be held back at school than the children of single parents.

“It’s clear that the two-parent family gives a child a leg up in education,” he told the conference.

No shit – more time and money provides some kind of benefit? Who’d have thought?

Next you’ll be telling me that schools with twice the teacher:pupil ratio are less likely to have kids held back.
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May 17, 2013 1:53pm
Fletch

So according to ABC news, the official in the middle of the IRS scandal in the United States is now running the Obamacare division of the IRS.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/irs-official-in-charge-during-tea-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/

Meantime, the House has voted to repeal ObamaCare in a 229 – 195 vote. They’ve voted the same before and probably will again, but of course, the Senate will not pass it.
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May 17, 2013 1:54pm
Griff

Kyle and the crusaders
they will give you a good kicking
#skinheads
right wing nutters
are ours any better than the fringes on the left?
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May 17, 2013 1:55pm
Fletch

I blame the host culture. Muslims did not come and invade by force. It is not up to Muslim immigrants to protect and maintain English culture. It is up to the English to do that.

Us Westerners are cultural wimps. Middle Eastern, Asians, Africans etc defend their cultures and good on them. They all believe that when in Rome do as the Romans do. They are not the problem. We are.

Totally agree.
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May 17, 2013 1:55pm
Elaycee

Great news!

Looks like another bunch of morons will soon be locked up and off our streets.

Double bunked. Converted containers. Yup… it really warms the heart…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8686001/10-face-drugs-charges
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May 17, 2013 1:56pm
Manolo

A very relevant question: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_australian_are_these_lebanese/
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May 17, 2013 1:58pm
Harriet

“…..Do you believe in god because your ego can not face the truth about your own mortality, being a theist and all ? Do you live a bleak life in the hope you will be rewarded after you die ?….”

Most Christians arn’t afraid of ‘eventually’ dying. Most other adults arn’t either.

You’ll find that Christians don’t live a ‘bleak’ life, fallen Christians maybe. Living a full life is good enough for me.

I don’t expect to be ‘rewarded’ for anything I’ve done.
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May 17, 2013 2:01pm
Kea

Griff we do not need skin heads beating up school kids. What we need to do change our mind set. If we arrive at a situation where another culture is in conflict with our own, then they need to defer to our ways. Tempered with some good old fashioned tolerance of course.

It is rare that cultural conflicts happen in a genuine way. Most of what you see in the UK are radical Muslims trying it on. The average Muslim has no time for that shit and is happy to work within the cultural norms of the UK.
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May 17, 2013 2:06pm
Griff

Kea griff is in the Auckland multi cultural soup
Muslim Hindi orthodox xstain evangelical progressive xstain tribal chief or toa
Whot ever
its how you treat me that counts
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May 17, 2013 2:23pm
Jack5

Here comes the next Asian financial crisis, folks, sparked by the Yenyasu, as Japan devalues.

We will be okay? After the intellectual pygmies who dominate our finance and politics have moved the NZ economy from one-market dependence on the UK (right up to the 1970s) to one-market dependence on China? (Yes, there’s Australia, but it leans on China, too.)

Pray for an oil strike — or 10 of them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10062865/Japan-storms-back-on-weak-yen-but-Asia-trembles.html
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May 17, 2013 4:06pm
Scott Chris

I am just too vain to stop attracting their attention.

Errm, you may well be vain Redbaiter, but I’d suggest your attention seeking behaviour stems primarily from your immense insecurity complex.

Fact is, most trolls are emotional cripples.
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