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Redbaiter

I think the National Party’s election strategy is this-

Portray the Greens as stark raving mad examples of the far left and simultaneously associate them with Labour. This part is allied with the second part, which is to move National to the left to take Labour’s vote.

It might be a strategy that will win National an election, but the cost of this win will be a far left government anyway.

So nothing is really gained.

National needs an orator, a communicator, someone who has convictions regarding the party’s basic principles and can sell those principles to the voters. This orator has to be completely unafraid of the left wing media.

Finding a real leader who will sell and believe in and support the Nats founding principles is a much better strategy than the one I suspect they have chosen. But for it to work, it would need to be underpinned by courage and conviction. Things you just can’t find in the National Party today with John Key at the helm.

http://www.theconservative.co.nz/
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May 15, 2013 8:07am
iMP

no, its deny the MMP Review (elected with 54% approval) so that UF, ACT, and future potential Independent Gilmores of this world can scrape National back in, regardless of democracy.
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May 15, 2013 8:10am
Kea

Portray the Greens as stark raving mad examples of the far left and simultaneously associate them with Labour

They have done that by themselves. National has taken over the centre left, leaving the others to go further left, or to the right of National.
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May 15, 2013 8:15am
joana

The word from Wgtn is apparently that there is a lot of rivalry between Collins and Joyce , that is that , Collins is jealous/angry/upset etc etc re all the publicity Joyce gets..Expect one or both of them to aim for the leadership.
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May 15, 2013 8:17am
iMP

Joyce will win.
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May 15, 2013 8:20am
Morgy

I don’t agree with your last part Redbaiter. NZ politics is won in the centre. Going hard left or hard right is a loosing strategy. In John Key we have a pragmatist who with a solid team of what I would term high performing CEO’s on his flank is doing exactly what is needed in today’s global and local economy. In terms of social policy we have seen a consistent approach of carrot and stick. That works for the centre. In the case of the MRP float, yes many in the centre aren’t too chuffed with it BUT they are intelligent enough to know that selling down some assets instead of borrowing on a fickle international market was the better plan.
Sure we would like to see much tougher punitive measures in welfare reform but it is true that the real filth who take advantage of the tax payers generosity are on the margins. In fact the noise regardless of the issue comes from the margins. No matter how we look at it, the steady as she goes leadership has been the right way to go. (no pun intended)
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May 15, 2013 8:23am
Keeping Stock

It is interesting to follow the progress of pokie machine numbers in New Zealand. Figures from the Dept of Internal Affairs show that there was an 82% increase between June 1999 (the last count from when National was in power) and June 2003 when they peaked at over 25,000 (under Labour). Even more interesting is that Labour between 1999 and 2002 was in coaltion with the now-defunct Alliance, and the party was supported in matters of confidence and supply by the Greens.

Isn’t it funny that pokie machines are now the greatest evil known to mankind, despite Labour having rubber-stamped a deal giving SkyCity 230 more or them in return for a smaller convention centre than that currently proposed? It’s also amusing that the Greens had not discovered the power of the petition back then 😛

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/chart-of-day-15-may-2013.html
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May 15, 2013 8:26am
Manolo

No time or money should be wasted on scum like these. Shoot them to avoid further trouble:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/8670074/Police-hunt-fleeing-teenager
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May 15, 2013 8:28am
Morgy

Joana, word on the street is that Labour and the Greens are the laughing stock of the political scene and they have now resorted in creating false fractures within the National Party. What to believe eh?
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May 15, 2013 8:30am
UglyTruth

No time or money should be wasted on scum like these. Shoot them to avoid further trouble:

Yeah, just ignore due process entirely. Oh wait, parliament’s already done that when it lied about the nature of common law.

Sovereignty means being accountable to no-one. If parliament is sovereign then it is not an institution of democratic.

The Crown’s bad faith goes back to NZ’s “founding document”.
http://www.treatyeducators.org.nz/qa11
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May 15, 2013 8:38am
Harriet

“….In John Key we have a pragmatist…”

Yeah….one that is so immoral…..that he would start horse trading in lives with Maryanne Street!
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May 15, 2013 8:41am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8672743/Rodents-found-in-takeaway-shop

Baldrick’s ‘Rat Fricassee’ ??
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May 15, 2013 8:44am
mandk

@Harriet,
Yes, what we are seeing is the liberal culture of death that pretends to be about freedom and human rights.
That’s why the ending of the Gosnell trial passed yesterday with barely a mention here and elsewhere in the media.
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May 15, 2013 8:56am
EAD

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning” – Henry Ford

Remember the the song from the 60’s “The revolution will not be televised”. Well the world is waking up to the truth about how the worlds banking systems work and how the bankers rob the world blind. Watch this video, share with friends. End Fiat money, end the real reason for “inequality” and restore freedom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-GWdpvgiIA

EAD
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May 15, 2013 8:56am
Judith

joana (1,780) Says:
May 15th, 2013 at 8:17 am
The word from Wgtn is apparently that there is a lot of rivalry between Collins and Joyce , that is that , Collins is jealous/angry/upset etc etc re all the publicity Joyce gets..Expect one or both of them to aim for the leadership.
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Collins is not the man Joyce is!
Collins is a bitch – there is no other word that adequately describes her. She would love the top job, but she will never get it. The leader has to be a fighter and strong, not given to tantrums, spitefulness, and must at all times display a level of decorum. Joyce has those attributes, Collins is minus everyone of them. She has ruined her own career, and will never gets what she aspires to – thank goodness.
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May 15, 2013 8:59am
Judith

Redbaiter (2,937) Says:
May 15th, 2013 at 8:07 am
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For once I agree with you Red (heaven’s forbid).

It is refreshing to see that most of the school girl/boy crushes with Key have faded, and he is not the ‘hero’ that many people once thought he was. National need a new leader, once that is less of a show pony, and more of a strong kiwi bloke – I think Joyce has the attributes and not a bad cheeky smile, for those that fall for such attributes.
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May 15, 2013 9:06am
EAD

Interesting times in USA, but to look at our lame stream media, you wouldn’t know that Obama is under more pressure than he has ever been. Think Watergate was bad, now simultaneously we have:

Benghazi: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100215850/benghazi-stinks-but-it-wont-be-obamas-watergate-unfortunately/

IRS Witch-Hunt on Conservatives (Jon Stewart video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKBqcIEOXM

Or the AP Hack by the govt: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-13/watergate-was-amatuers-justice-department-spied-months-associated-press-reporters

May you live in interesting times….
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May 15, 2013 9:08am
James Stephenson

Baldrick’s ‘Rat Fricassee’ ??

Gimlet’s Hole Food Delicatessen

http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Gimlet%27s_Hole_Food_Delicatessen
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May 15, 2013 9:13am
Dennis Horne

@Judith: “Collins is a bitch…”

I think you need a man, Judith. 😉
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May 15, 2013 9:14am
Judith

Dennis Horne (1,074) Says:
May 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
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What will I do with the old one? 😉
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May 15, 2013 9:17am
Dennis Horne

@Judith. Is he a dustman?
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May 15, 2013 9:18am
gravedodger

@EAD, The messaiah made an unprecedented attempt to manage UK politics around the question of GB’s rethink on membership of the EU in the light of growing unrest in the Conservative Party and the major move by the UKIP in local elections.

Watch this space.

The world leader of the world government movement. is looking for distractions.
It appears his septic tank is blocked.

But dont expect any coverage in our media, ignore it, it is not really news.
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May 15, 2013 9:20am
Harriet

Here’s the sad facts:

Radhi, who was found living in South Auckland in 2011, was allegedly one of the key organisers of the boat later known as the SIEV (Suspected Illegal Entry Vessel) X.

The boatload of 421 asylum seekers sank in international waters south of Indonesia on October 18, 2001, en route to Australia’s Christmas Island.
Officials estimated 146 children, 142 women and 65 men drowned when the 19.5m fishing boat sank.

To be extradited to Australia to face trial, the Crown had to show there was a comparable offence in New Zealand law that Radhi had broken and that the offence was punishable by more than one year in prison.

Here’s the asshole lawyers ‘arguement’ :

Radhi’s lawyer Roger Chambers had argued the New Zealand law was not comparable as it was stated in terms of helping people “arrive” in New Zealand.

In the SIEV X no-one arrived or even entered extra-territorial waters, he said.

He pointed out that no illegal immigrants arrived in Australia, and that no aspect of the conduct attributed to Radhi was alleged to have occurred within Australia.

Well, he’s certainly a lawyer who can cross the T’s and dot the I’s on the words – immoral cunt! 😎
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May 15, 2013 9:20am
OneTrack

“iMP (1,305) Says:
May 15th, 2013 at 8:10 am
no, its deny the MMP Review (elected with 54% approval) so that UF, ACT, and future potential Independent Gilmores of this world can scrape National back in, regardless of democracy”

Which MMP change are you suggesting would affect any of those parties? Coat-tailing – not relevant to any of these parties at present. List and electorate – not relevant to any of these. What else is there?

While I am at it, can someone explain what is actually wrong with someone being on the List and in an electorate seat. Lets say 90% of the country votes for Helens party, but the good people of Mt Albert vote someone else in ie Helen is out of parliament. What happened to the other 90% of the votes who are now not getting what they wanted ie now they get David instead. Is that really (really?) what you want?
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May 15, 2013 9:20am
UglyTruth

May you live in interesting times…

In other news, El lizard breath is stepping back a bit. Nothing to do with her conviction of crimes against humanity in Canada and of engaging in a criminal conspiracy to conceal genocide, I’m sure.
/sarc
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May 15, 2013 9:24am
hj

“Human innovation is near endless. That is why doomsday predictions around peak oil and even climate change I have little time for. Both issues are real and important. But we shouldn’t rule out what future technology will bring us.”
David Farrar.
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How close is this to the National Parties thinking (given the way factions tend to dominate party politics and have outside influences?

*National supports population growth
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

National leans towards libertarian (developer driven) urban planning.
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1303/article_1144.shtml
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May 15, 2013 9:25am
Carlos

Hooray!!!

Now we’re going to be slowly coerced into eating insects.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10883721
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May 15, 2013 9:26am
hj

Morgy says:

” NZ politics is won in the centre. Going hard left or hard right is a loosing strategy. In John Key we have a pragmatist who with a solid team of what I would term high performing CEO’s on his flank is doing exactly what is needed in today’s global and local economy.”
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“a group of great thinkers’… Matt Nolan.. The Visible Hand in Economics.

SWG Report:
The Government’s role
Clearly, there are serious questions to be asked about New Zealand’s economic policy and how we got into this mess. Why was it not better designed and managed, and more focussed, coordinated and strategic? Did the electorate simply get what it voted for, without realising what was really happening, or have New Zealanders not been well served over the years?
Underlining the current difficult situation, the government is spending at an unsustainable level and running large deficits (the opposite of saving). As a result, it is borrowing a hefty $300 million a week. It needs to return the Budget to a surplus of no less than 2% of GDP as soon as possible.
Looking ahead over the next 20 years or so, the government will face increasing costs from the effects of an ageing population. If the government is to keep its borrowing within a sustainable level (as it must) over this period, its options are to: substantially increase tax revenue, reduce government spending, or increase government sector productivity and performance. The first two options are clearly unpalatable. However, modelling shows that if the government can lift its performance and increase productivity by 2% a year for five years and 1% thereafter, there would be no need to raise taxes or cut government services. The SWG strongly recommends this.
On other government policy issues, SWG recommendations include:
– A much more strategic and integrated approach to policy generally.
– Serious consideration of the impact of the level and variability of immigration on national saving, and the impact that this might have on the living standards of New Zealanders. There are indications that our high immigration rate has pushed up government spending, house prices and business borrowing.
– Improving data on household and business saving.
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
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May 15, 2013 9:31am
Redbaiter

“I don’t agree with your last part Redbaiter. NZ politics is won in the centre. Going hard left or hard right is a loosing strategy.”

These are the words of losers. Unimaginative spineless shuffling incompetents with no guts and no honour.

Are these the words Reagan listened to?

Are they the words Margaret Thatcher listened to?

When they both took their parties to victory and held power for lengthy periods?

I’ll tell you- no they fucking well didn’t. They had vision. They had courage. They had conviction. They could convey all of those qualities when they spoke and they DREW PEOPLE WITH THEM.

How about Nigel Farage for a more modern version?

Or Ted Cruz?

I do not want to be told it can’t be done by the same old shuffling little socialist lemmings.

The National Party is a cluster of grey faceless stooges led by a compromiser without a principle to save himself. We will never get the changes we need with the party in its present form.
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May 15, 2013 9:39am
EAD

@gravedodger – it feels like a real sea change is happening over here in British Politics. People are finally waking up to the truth and are are starting to call a spade a spade. The political shackles and politically correct groupthink that so stifles debate is being smashed.

Despite attempts by the MSM to paint UKIP has looneys and clowns, people are starting to see straight though it. You are not a “Little Englander” to think that a nation is best served governing it’s own affairs, you are not a racist if you think multiculturalism is a rotten ideology that divides rather than unites and is no way to create a civil society, you are not a bigot if you think that the stability marriage provides should be the bedrock to the family and thus society, you are not being selfish if you think that a country that continually spends more than it earns will eventually face serious trouble and you are not being elitist if you think every student has the right to a top quality education (grammar schools) if they are so capable of handling it. It is not left vs. right – it is simple bl**dy common sense!!

And the thing is, once people see the truth, they can’t unsee it and the momentum for UKIP will grow and grow and will wipe away the identikit LibLabCon troika. EU election in 2014 will be the earthquake over here.
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May 15, 2013 9:45am
Kea

Check out the “Asian” men in the photos from the PC UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10057543/Asian-grooming-gang-convicted-of-appalling-acts-of-depravity-on-children.html

Today seven men of Asian or North African origin were found guilty of grooming six vulnerable white girls before putting them through a “living hell” during which they were forced to commit acts of “extreme depravity”

If they did not comply they were beaten and burned with cigarettes while one girl was even branded with her abusers’ initials.

When one victim fell pregnant at the age of 12 she was forced to undergo a dangerous backstreet abortion.

Another girl was abused with a string of bizarre sex toys to ‘prepare’ her for one of the gang rapes.

They are of course MUSLIM men. Not “Asian” or “North African”. It is Islam that informs their view of women, not the fact they are “Asian”.
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May 15, 2013 9:45am
Manolo

The bastards look Pakistanis to me!
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May 15, 2013 10:01am
Manolo

The anti-American Messiah’s administration leaking like a sieve http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/14/Progressive-Group-Says-IRS-Gave-Them-Confidential-Docs-On-Conservative-Groups
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May 15, 2013 10:03am
flipper

Redbaiter….

Every time you tap your keyboard (oh, maybe you use a voice activated system, and that is the explanation for your perpetual state of political fundamental disequilibrium) you simply strengthen the widely held view that you are a nutter.

If you are really the student of politics that you profess to be, go read “The Real Majority” by Stewart Alsop. When you finish, let’s see you back. By then, I am sure, you will have been restored to a state of near perfect equilibrium. 🙂
🙂
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May 15, 2013 10:09am
kowtow

“Politics is won in the centre”

Yes ,but that centre has been pushed to the left. Look at how big middle class welfare has become.And it would take a very brave politician to deny the middle classes their “entitlements”.

“Equality” or universalism in the vote has resulted in an absolute prostitution of the democratic process.
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May 15, 2013 10:12am
Paulus

Judith – I am closer to the action in Wellington re National Party leader’s aspirations than you ever will be.

You do talk bullshit, but I suppose that’s what we could expect from you
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May 15, 2013 10:14am
kowtow

kea ,manolo

What are you moaning about? How dare you?

That is the diversity dividend that the academics ,politicians and media have been commanding us to celebrate for the last 40 years.

Multiculturalism ,ain’t it great?
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May 15, 2013 10:17am
Manolo

Unquestionably, today’s National Party is centre-left, after abandoning its founding principles. No ifs or buts.
The moniker Labour Lite is well deserved.
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May 15, 2013 10:17am
WineOh

Elections are won at the centre, yes… UNLESS you have a bold visionary path that people can be galvanised by. Typically this is done by either scandal, crisis (in the case of incumbent government) or new radical idealism (in the case of opposition parties).

NZ has taken the wise route of not upsetting the applecart in a time of great global uncertainty and turmoil. We haven’t blown out our debts, and taken a softly-softly path to gradual improvements in fixing broken laws, taxation, and investment… with easing in public spending. The result is a projected return to surplus next year, how many first world economies can boast that at the moment? With no rioting in the streets, food shortages, fundamentalist religious hardliners, or internal coups. The world community would look at NZ in awe at the moment, and here we are distracted and bickering about petty little issues and the opposition attempting to manufacture crisis.
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May 15, 2013 10:26am
Kea

Multiculturalism ,ain’t it great?

Yes it is great and benefits the host society, if it is done right. Western countries do not do it right.

I believe in good old fashioned tolerance for the differences of others. However, the host culture can not be expected to defer to the guest culture, as is the case in the UK. It may sound trite, but when in Rome do as the Romans do.
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May 15, 2013 10:32am
flipper

WineOh….
Constructive comment.

But in 1930 odd Adolf had a vision that galvanised a nation of about 80 million did he not?
Dangerous waters……
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May 15, 2013 10:32am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers:)

Was interviewed for Radio NZ Morning Report (played on air at 8am Wednesday 15 May 2013) on the failure of the GCSB to ‘confirm or deny’ whether I was one of the 88 New Zealanders unlawfully spied upon by the GCSB.

(As was Val Morse – who got the same GCSB reply).

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2555103/gcsb-refuses-to-tell-people-if-they've-been-illegally-spied-on.asx

Her Warship 😉

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 15, 2013 10:34am
Kea

WineOh , yep what you said. We don’t know how lucky we are mate !
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May 15, 2013 10:35am
WineOh

@ Flipper, Good point.
Though I never said those galvanising visionaries were necessarily a good thing. Certainly was triggered by crisis (massive depression in Germany, much worse than USA).
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May 15, 2013 10:38am
kowtow

Obummer and Camoron want to increase aid to Syrian cannibals ?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168009
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May 15, 2013 10:39am
edhunter

On the left you have, Labour, Gweens, NZ First, Mana, The Maori’s, United to the right of these you have National & ACT.
I’ve voted ACT in the past to try have a right wagging tail & we can see how well that’s worked out.
Politics in NZ is nothing but a popularity contest, & until there’s viable party to the right of National they have no option but to hold tight to the middle ground, if they hadn’t they wouldn’t be in power now.
Red MMP is a different beast to FPP that Thatcher & Reagan were elected under & with Thatcher the country wasn’t going to hell in a handbasket, it had already arrived.
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May 15, 2013 10:40am
Keeping Stock

Personally Penny, I would be bloody annoyed if authorities WEREN’T spying on the likes of Val Morse and your own good self. Morse may have got off the charge of burning a New Zealand flag at an Anzac Day service on a technicality, but those of us with long memories will not forget her abhorrent disrespect for the memory of those who fought for the very freedoms that the likes of you and her take for granted and abuse.

PS: John hasn’t gone anywhere, and will be around a long time after your sins catch up with you. Paid your outstanding rates yet?
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May 15, 2013 10:43am
Manolo

Kea, you’re talking barbaric hordes of Muslim, believers in a vile religion to whom everybody else is the enemy. Some of those savages bring barbaric habits (e.g. female submission, genital circumcision, etc), and must be exposed for the unabashed barbarians they are.

Tolerance, yes, savagery, no.
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May 15, 2013 10:44am
UglyTruth

They are of course MUSLIM men. Not “Asian” or “North African”. It is Islam that informs their view of women, not the fact they are “Asian”.

Islam teaches kindness to women. The abuses of these girls is evidence that the men were not real Muslims.
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May 15, 2013 10:46am
UglyTruth

but those of us with long memories will not forget her abhorrent disrespect for the memory of those who fought for the very freedoms that the likes of you and her take for granted and abuse.

The same freedoms that are injured by a “sovereign” parliament when it sells its conspiracy as law, you mean?
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May 15, 2013 10:53am
Longknives

“Islam teaches kindness to women.”

Ever visited planet earth mate?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/aesha-mohammadzai-nose-ears-taliban_n_2773994.html
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May 15, 2013 11:01am
kowtow

Islam teaches kindness to women………Tui ad.

See this about an Australian woman ,raped in Dubai. No cofession so under Sharia law 4 Muslim males must coroberate the womans story.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/17094076/abandoned/

Why is our media so quiet about this womans’ plight / compare Shapel Corby hype. (Don’t want to upset they that must not be upset?)

Or this one from the “sinking” Maldives…..another Tui ad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285332/Rape-victim-15-sentenced-100-lashes-Maldives-engaging-pre-marital-sex.html

Yes ,let’s celebrate other cultures as equal to ours……..
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May 15, 2013 11:02am
UglyTruth

@Longknives

The Quran is the authoritative text on the Muslim religion, not some US sponsored extremists.

O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against (their) will. Nor should you straiten them by taking part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency. And treat them kindly. Then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it.”
Surah 4:19
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May 15, 2013 11:05am
Fletch

Interesting times in USA, but to look at our lame stream media, you wouldn’t know that Obama is under more pressure than he has ever been.

EAD, according to Drudge editor and Washington Times columnist Joseph Curl, there’s still yet another shoe to drop.

FYI: CIA source says still one more shoe to drop. Yes, four shoes. Dead ambassador, tapped phones, IRS probes. Will it be worse? Can it be?!

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/14/drudge-editor-joseph-curl-cia-source-says-still-one-more-shoe-to-drop-for-obama-admin/
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May 15, 2013 11:05am
UglyTruth

there’s still yet another shoe to drop.

Just one? They haven’t sked the question of what the real reason was for the attack on the consulate.
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May 15, 2013 11:08am
Manolo

The Quran is the authoritative text on the Muslim religion, ..

Exactly the reason why it is the big shit and vile, violent cult it is.
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May 15, 2013 11:09am
Bob

I predict after the budget announcements Labour will say “too little too late”. That has been their standard response to National budgets for the last 40 years. The Greens will accuse National of looking after it’s “rich” mates. The unions will accuse National of not giving enough away. Businesses might have some criticisms of the budget but will give a better all round analysis.
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May 15, 2013 11:10am
Carlos

How low can the Left go?

In the UK, the Labour Party intentionally sought huge immigration numbers to change the make up of Britain and to “rub the Right’s noses in diversity.” We all know “more diversity” is code for “less white people”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html?ICO=most_read_module

That is fucking sick!!! Ruin your nation to make a point.

The more mature I get the more I see holes is the Left’s thinking.
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May 15, 2013 11:14am
UglyTruth

Exactly the reason why it is the big shit and vile, violent cult it is.

Project much, Manolo? LOL

You who believe! be upholders of justice, bearing witness for Allah alone, even against yourselves or your parents and relatives. Whether they are rich or poor, Allah is well able to look after them. Do not follow your own desires and deviate from the truth. If you twist or turn away, Allah is aware of what you do.
(Surat an-Nisa’, 135)

Among those We have created there is a community who guide by the Truth and act justly according to it.
(Surat al-A‘raf, 181)

… if you do judge, judge between them justly. Allah loves the just.
(Surat al-Maida, 42)

You who believe! show integrity for the sake of Allah, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be just. That is closer to taqwa. Fear [and respect] Allah. Allah is aware of what you do.
(Surat al-Maida, 8)
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May 15, 2013 11:16am
UglyTruth

See this about an Australian woman ,raped in Dubai. No cofession so under Sharia law 4 Muslim males must coroberate the womans story.

Sharia law is based on an extreme and unreasoned interpretation of Islam. The Quran speaks of two or three witnesses, just the same as the Hebrew Tanach.
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May 15, 2013 11:21am
Manolo

Another believer in mythical, blood-thirsty, misogynist Allah and the paedophile Prophet. Jeepers.
The Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus come next, I suppose?
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May 15, 2013 11:23am
Longknives

So Ugly Truth is a Muslim eh? Kind of explains his relentless fixation with 911 Conspiracy theories and his hatred of the Good ol’ US of A…
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May 15, 2013 11:26am
UglyTruth

So Ugly Truth is a Muslim eh?

No, I’ve never set foot inside a mosque. How much evidence does it take for you to admit that the MSM account of th 9/11 attach is based on a tissue of lies? This isn’t a rhetorical question, the default answer for the apologist is that no amount of evidence is sufficient.
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May 15, 2013 11:34am
OneTrack

“Sharia law is based on an extreme and unreasoned interpretation of Islam.”

That may be so (I don’t actually agree but hey) , but when the Muslims bring in Sharia law to your neighbourhood, they won’t be having polite discussions with you about it. It will be with their interpretation of it.
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May 15, 2013 11:47am
OneTrack

“MSM account of th 9/11 attach is based on a tissue of lies?

Here we go – George Bush was flying the first plane, right? It just couldn’t have been those peace-loving muslims.
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May 15, 2013 11:50am
dime

uglytruth – lol isnt that the typical name for some all knowing asshole. conspiracy theorists are just sad.

as for the links kowtow posted. jesus! thats why Dime likes it when the yanks bomb muslims. fuck em. keep em out of NZ
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May 15, 2013 11:51am
Lance

Oh Dear
Ugly Truth is a 911 wacko

I missed that till now.

Nuff said
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May 15, 2013 11:52am
kowtow

Turkey( a contender for EU membership) continues down the overtly Islamic path,state of emergency in Nigeria(most populous country in Africa),China (one of our biggest and free (?) trade partner) sends troops into India…….

……all current and major news items and our MSM are obsessed with a singing astronaut and an actress’ boobbies.
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May 15, 2013 12:03pm
UglyTruth

OneTrack,
Fair comment. Ignorance of the law is as much of a problem for Islamic societies as it is for western ones. Finding a remedy involves knowing why the respective schools teach such a politicised version of the law. In the case of Islam, you could look to people like the CIA’s Fethulah Gulen. In the case of the west, you could look to the age old conflict between the common law and the civil system. NZ’s implementation of the civil system claims the primary benefit of the common law, but denies the existence of the source of that benefit and the correlative duty of that benefit.
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May 15, 2013 12:04pm
UglyTruth

George Bush was flying the first plane, right?

uglytruth – lol isnt that the typical name for some all knowing asshole. conspiracy theorists are just sad.

Ugly Truth is a 911 wacko

Please feel free to deflect from you ignorance of the issues with sarcasm and name calling. Real classy, guys.
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May 15, 2013 12:08pm
Lance

@kowtow
I call bullshit on your msm appraisal

The singing astronaut was a welcome relief the endless shit of mass murders, gun crazy shit heads, Islamic extremists threatening death to all in the West, economic Armageddon tomorrow and the Aaron Gilmore circus.
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May 15, 2013 12:09pm
Lance

@UglyTruth
So you like believe “Loose Change”?

Bra ha ha ha ha ha ha

Pimply faced nerds who think they are smarter than experts. The biggest wankfest I ever had the misfortune to look at.
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May 15, 2013 12:13pm
UglyTruth

Hey Lance, can your “experts” explain to you how the nanothermite residue found its way into the twin towers debris pile?
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May 15, 2013 12:30pm
Manolo

The scum we export:
“Police have told 7News the majority of gang members are migrants of Maori or Islander background. Some have older relatives in jail or connections to gangs in New Zealand.”

http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/newshome/17144935/gangs-crime-rampage-captured-on-camera/
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May 15, 2013 1:36pm
Manolo

Questioning the teflon’s Messiah: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/14/benghazi-irs-ap-scandals-will-buck-ever-stop-with-obama/
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May 15, 2013 1:56pm
hj

I don’t want to hear about Valerie (I shouldn’t have to explain what I was doing with a molotov cocktail -they should have to prove it) Morse! I want to here: “Red Baiter says………..!”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2555118/activist-takes-illegal-spying-query-to-privacy-commissioner.asx
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May 15, 2013 2:55pm
edhunter

Dime – I like the cut of your gib ever thought of running for govt?
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May 15, 2013 3:39pm
Manolo

If only: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/dc-turns-on-obama-91386.html?hp=t1_3
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May 15, 2013 3:48pm
Pete George

“Poverty is created. It is not part of nature.” – Jan Logie, Green MP.

On the first day in Government they will fix poverty.
On the second day they will fix the exchange rate.
On the third day they will create Green energy.
On the fourth day they will fix housing.
On the fifth day they will create more money.
On the sixth day they might realise how naive they have been.
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May 15, 2013 4:11pm
OneTrack

“On the sixth day they might realise how naive they have been.”

Wouldn’t count on it. It be the fault of the “neolibs” when all their wonderful plans crash and half the country is queuing for loaves of bread.
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May 15, 2013 4:54pm
Fletch

So, I see National has picked a new MP to replace Aaron Gilmore – one who ticks all the boxes.

Female – ✔
Maori – ✔
Lesbian – ✔

Her name is Claudette Hauiti, and she was 63rd in rank on National’s 2011 election list.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Claudette-Hauiti-to-replace-Aaron-Gilmore-in-parliament/tabid/1607/articleID/297503/Default.aspx#ixzz2TKWfqDxT
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May 15, 2013 5:01pm
liarbors a joke

“His attacker was caught and jailed for two months.”…and there lies the problem Manolo…2 months jail for the beating.

5 years minimum would act as a deterent.. Nice to see Aussie judges out of touch and not living in reality as well.

Meanwhile here on Ko Samui in the Gulf of Thailand…island life ticks on , 34 deg and a gentle breeze..must be time for another beer chang.
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May 15, 2013 5:02pm
skyblue

Latest RM out
NAT=GRE/LAB=44%
NZF = 5%.
Winnie the king maker.

God help NZ if this comes to pass.

Another thought on MMP. If this came to pass, 2 of the 3 parties are all LIST only and are not answerable to anyone, means they can be more of a cunt than normal.
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May 15, 2013 5:24pm
Manolo

Her name is Claudette Hauiti, and she was 63rd in rank on National’s 2011 election list.

If she had only one leg, she would tick all the PC boxes.
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May 15, 2013 5:45pm
Ross12

Roger Douglas’ alternative Budget. No one can accus him of being boring !!

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/sir-roger-douglass-alternative-budget-nk-140143
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May 15, 2013 5:47pm
Manolo

And Sir Roger has the balls that no other NZ politician possess, including all emasculated pinkos of the National Party put together.
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May 15, 2013 5:52pm
edhunter

Sometimes I think Bill Hicks had it right:
I’ll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. “I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.” “I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.” “Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!” “Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here’s Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons.”
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May 15, 2013 5:56pm
Pete George

So, I see National has picked a new MP to replace Aaron Gilmore

No they haven’t picked a new MP, the next person on their list chooses if they will become an MP.
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May 15, 2013 6:13pm
Viking2

naaska.
Control your sheep please.

Woman trampled by mob of sheep
A woman has been airlifted to hospital with a serious injury after being knocked down and trampled by a mob of sheep at a remote Tararua property this morning.

The woman, 53, was moving the sheep at her property in Huia Rd near Pongaroa when they knocked her over. The rescue helicopter was called soon after 11am.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8675972/Woman-trampled-by-mob-of-sheep
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May 15, 2013 6:14pm
Northland Wahine

Viking,

I wouldn’t be surprised if the sheep had heard that John boy was looking for fresh ewes and stampeded in a pancake.
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May 15, 2013 6:35pm
wiseowl

Just had a bowl of grasshoppers for tea.
Feeling really chirpy.
I think we could feed the world with these things.
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May 15, 2013 6:42pm
nasska

….”Woman trampled by mob of sheep”…..

That would be a fairly rare event V2. There was a woman who had a chunk taken out of her leg by a domestic boar near Eketahuna a year or so back but we keep our sheep fairly submissive hereabouts.

Unless as Northern Wahine suggests, JB has been looking further afield for some fresh talent. 🙂
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May 15, 2013 7:01pm
nasska

wiseowl

I hope that we aren’t reduced to dining on insect stir fries….at least until I shuffle off my mortal coil but if we ever have a real food shortage we may end up using them as fish tucker. Apparently in parts of Asia they hang lights over fish ponds & the insects that are attracted & killed are eaten by the farmed fish.

Could be a nice little earner after the Greens stuff the mainstream economy. 🙂
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May 15, 2013 7:07pm
Pauleastbay

No matter what sort of day I’ve had I can come on here have a read and realise almost instantly that ” my god there are some insane people out there and I’m actually reasonably normal.

I don’t dwell because if I think about it too long and enjoy the moment too much I realise Ugly and Judith may vote and I can only cancel one of them out. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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May 15, 2013 7:10pm
Pete George

I just had a weird satirical experience.

I read this: Labour proposes repeal of National Government

And straight afterwards read this: What Rough Beast? The Political Meaning of Aaron Gilmore’s Fall
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May 15, 2013 7:13pm
Griff

@ keeping stock and imp
thanks for being the sane side of conservative pollitacal
view
the more liberal view on the right could do with separation from your views unfortionatly
wingnuts infest all good points of the political compass 🙂
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May 15, 2013 7:43pm
wiseowl

Nasska.
The UN think insects are the next big option .Forget McDonalds or Georgie Pie, Helen is working on a strategy to get takeaway locusts available in all third world countries.

Highly nutritious and 99% fat free .
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May 15, 2013 7:43pm
nasska

She’s stark raving mad ‘wiseowl’ so it’s not totally unexpected. Probably got the idea after being offered huhu grubs at a hui. 🙂
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May 15, 2013 7:48pm
Johnboy

Dreadful scene of carnage recently witnessed in Wainui! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4P8-yomL6s
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May 15, 2013 7:59pm
Griff

How the fuck do we feed 9,000,000,000
Of us
kiwis compete on the world stage at supplying protein
tranity of distance is Wat scerws us
that and subsidies

ps
#voadafone
trying to spark debate
no signal no spell check or edit
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