General Debate 13 May 2013

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nasska

That’s tonight’s contribution from Colin Craig’s bitch. 🙂
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May 13, 2013 5:50pm
RRM

If you run, you’ll only be sodomised tired.
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May 13, 2013 5:50pm
Redbaiter

“I actually think”

No doubt you do, but its all very uninteresting to me.

(Gosh, the obsequious hypocritical smiley face brigade is out in force tonight)
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May 13, 2013 5:51pm
RRM

😉
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May 13, 2013 5:53pm
Redbaiter

Gasp- so clever and witty.
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May 13, 2013 5:53pm
Kea

These fuckwits who claim to be right wing one day then cuddle up to the left the next are just confused trash that are not needed on either side.

What your seeing there Red is a natural by-product of thinking.

You decide on the issues as they arise and the merits of a particular argument. Some of the commies have good IDEAS even if I do not agree with every belief they have. Some on the right have bad ideas and I oppose those ideas.

Confusing isn’t it ? 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 13, 2013 5:55pm
Redbaiter

“Some of the commies have good IDEAS”

I rest my case.

Who needs this fuckwit on their side?

Not the commies and not the Conservatives either.
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May 13, 2013 5:57pm
Kea

So Red, are you saying that not a single idea the left have is ok ?

Not one ?

No common ground ?

Ever ?

In all your time on KB not one lefty one single time has ever said a single thing you agree with ?

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May 13, 2013 6:03pm
Redbaiter

No idea sourced from the ideology of collectivism and tyranny is a good idea.

I don’t see why that would be a POV that would cause curiosity.

Unless you were a lemming.

(More slow witted boring attempts at humour of course. So pathetic.)
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May 13, 2013 6:06pm
nasska

Can you imagine what it would be like Kea? Get one set of ideas installed about puberty, shut off brain, then go through the rest of your life like a blinkered draught horse.

Some of the inhabitants of zoos have broader outlooks. 🙂 🙂 >>>>okay you beat me!
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May 13, 2013 6:07pm
wat dabney

“are you saying that not a single idea the left have is ok ?”

It’s not about whether their ideas are good or bad, it’s about their willingness to impose every single one of them with limitless violence.
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May 13, 2013 6:08pm
Redbaiter

“Can you imagine what it would be like Kea?”

Narsekissa desperately reaches out to his like fucked in the head comrade.
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May 13, 2013 6:12pm
Kea

Red you really are an idiot. Most of the day to day things you believe in are identical to what lefties think. There are differences in political system and a few social issues, but there is far more common ground than difference.

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May 13, 2013 6:13pm
Kea

It’s not about whether their ideas are good or bad

Oh deary deary me !

Wat, get a grip.
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May 13, 2013 6:15pm
Redbaiter

Now I know why I don’t usually engage.

Childlike fool.
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May 13, 2013 6:17pm
Kea

Now I know why I don’t usually engage.

Because your out of your depth if you are required to do more than hurl insults ?

Because your a mental case ?
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May 13, 2013 6:21pm
Redbaiter

Out for a beer- please carry on.
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May 13, 2013 6:23pm
Kea

EDIT: Wat I do agree with the remainder of your statement 100%

But lefties can have good ideas and share many of the same values as the rest of us. The basic difference is to how we achieve the best outcomes.
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May 13, 2013 6:24pm
wat dabney

Kea,

You might want to give it a bit of thought. You were very confused the other day about the essential issue of rights, and now you’re rather compounding it I’m afraid.
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May 13, 2013 6:24pm
Kea

Enjoy your beer Red and watch out for those commie homos.
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May 13, 2013 6:26pm
Kea

Wat no confusion at all. There are no such thing as “rights” in the way you state them. That is pure leftist drivel. There is only what we make.

Nature and evolution is on my side. All you have is an artificial fantasy world of fluffy bunny rabbits. Life is what we make out of it. Now go cry into your beer with Red.
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May 13, 2013 6:29pm
Griff

Confirmation bais
kea has been shown the state of the poles ice
All that fits his story is Antarcticas fringe sea ice
because to admit ice is melting most every where else would give him cognative disonacance
He even linked to the reason in a scientific paper
wingnut
🙂
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May 13, 2013 6:33pm
wat dabney

Speaking of homos…

“A New Hampshire lawyer who works with a virulently anti-gay Christian-right organization has been found guilty of child pornography charges after videotaping her own daughter having sex with two men on multiple occasions…She also allegedly made a cellphone video of herself having sex with her daughter.

Biron, who claimed on her Facebook page … that the Bible was her favorite book, had worked with Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF)…The Arizona-based ADF calls itself a “servant ministry” that seeks to transform the legal system and advocate “for religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.” The group issues dire warnings about “the homosexual agenda””

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/anti_gay_activist_guilty_of_child_pornography_after_videotaping_daughter/

They’re a weird lot, eh?
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May 13, 2013 6:35pm
wat dabney

Kea,

Rights are the what you have in the absence of coercion.

Nobody creates them. Nobody gives them to you. Although they can certainly take them away from you.
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May 13, 2013 6:37pm
Manolo

More about the anti-American president: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/11/rand-paul-obama-is-working-with-anti-american-globalists-plotting-against-our-constitution/
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May 13, 2013 6:55pm
Griff

Right
nature has only needs
all rights are a construct of society
they also come with corresponding obligation
the left over ride obligation with their perseved rights
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May 13, 2013 6:56pm
wat dabney

“all rights are a construct of society

This is completely false.

“they also come with corresponding obligation”

This also is completely false.
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May 13, 2013 7:00pm
nasska

If we accept that rights are what exists in the absence of coercion then we’re discussing a chimera.

Human behaviour dictates that the strong will rule the weak (coercion) so rights are only granted or given.
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May 13, 2013 7:06pm
wat dabney

“so rights are only granted or given.”

No, rights are either recognised or not recognised.

You can’t remove someone’s rights by force. And you can’t remove them with a show of hands. That is like arguing that the Nazi’s didn’t offend any rights because those rights didn’t exist in their society.
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May 13, 2013 7:10pm
wat dabney

“IPCC’s ‘Gold Standard’ Temperature Dataset Authenticates Global Cooling Over Last 15 Years”

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/01/ipccs-gold-standard-temperature-dataset-authenticates-global-cooling-over-last-15-years.html

“No Warming In Antarctica Since The Start Of Satellite Records”

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/no-warming-in-antarctica-since-the-start-of-satellite-records/

Scary, no?
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May 13, 2013 7:12pm
nasska

But you can remove someone’s rights by force Wat….it is done daily in a political sense by factions who have the upper hand. It happens in NZ, albeit sanctioned by Parliament, when someone has their right to freedom curtailed by being given a prison sentence.

In every case might trumps rights, recognised or not. Therefore there are only two possibilities remaining. Either:

1) Rights do not exist

OR

2) They are bestowed by a benevolent government, dictator, tribal chief, whatever.
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May 13, 2013 7:18pm
UglyTruth

nature has only needs

No, good and evil are part of nature. Science does not describe consciouness, consciousness describes science.
Consciousness can contemplate good and evil. Natural justice is a name for the natural process by which good is returned for good, and evil for evil.
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May 13, 2013 7:35pm
Pauleastbay

You can’t remove someone’s rights by force. And you can’t remove them with a show of hands

Wat

Whats happening?

I’m all for starting an argument for fun or because you’re bored but you’re not making any sense these last few days.

My right to vote can be removed by the the age of general suffrage being increased to 54, easy right gone
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May 13, 2013 7:38pm
nasska

…” good and evil are part of nature.”…..

Good & evil are human concepts & nature does not depend on humans. Griff is right…..nature is neutral but has needs.
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May 13, 2013 7:39pm
Pauleastbay

No, good and evil are part of nature

I know you are certifiable Ugly but there are no such things a good or evil.

You have behaviour that equates to good behaviour or evil behaviour but they are not things that exit on their own.

“Look at that big pile of evil over there” No wrong.
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May 13, 2013 7:43pm
nasska

Should be a best seller. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dddgjnxeapbybgg/guide.jpg
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May 13, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

An old nun who was living in a convent next to a construction
site noticed the coarse language of the workers and decided to
spend some time with them to correct their ways. She decided she
would take her lunch; sit with the workers, she put her sandwich
in a brown bag and walked over to the spot where the men were
eating. Sporting a big smile, she walked up to the group and asked:
“And do you men know Jesus Christ?”

They shook their heads and looked at each other. very confused.
One of the workers looked up into the steelworks and yelled out,
“Anybody up there know Jesus Christ?”

One of the steelworkers yelled down , “Why?”

The worker yelled back, “Cause his mum’s here with his lunch.”
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May 13, 2013 8:02pm
Fletch

All of this temperature stuff reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode by master storyteller Rod Serling, called ‘The Midnight Sun’. In the story, the Earth is burning up because the Sun is coming closer and closer. It tells the story of two women left in an apartment building and trying to survive. At the end, it turns out that one of the women is actually in a fever and dreaming. In reality the world is freezing and getting colder and everyone will soon freeze to death as the Sun moves further away.
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May 13, 2013 8:06pm
Pauleastbay

Bill worked in a pickle factory.
He had been employed there for a number of years when he came home one
day to confess to his wife that he had a terrible compulsion.
He had an urge to stick his penis into the pickle slicer.
His wife suggested that he should see a sex therapist to talk about it, but Bill said he would be too embarrassed. He vowed to overcome the compulsion on his own.
One day a few weeks later, Bill came home and his wife could see at once that something was seriously wrong.
‘What’s wrong, Bill?’ she asked.
‘Do you remember that I told you how I had this tremendous urge to put my penis into the pickle slicer?’
‘Oh, Bill, you didn’t’ she exclaimed.
Yes, I did.’ he replied.
‘My God, Bill, what happened?’
‘I got fired.’
‘No, Bill I mean, what happened with the pickle slicer?’
‘Oh…she got fired too.
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May 13, 2013 8:07pm
UglyTruth

Good & evil are human concepts & nature does not depend on humans.

Humans (Cicero’s homo humanus) are not important. Natural justice is not an invention of mankind, and neither is good and evil.

LAW OF NATURE. The law of nature is that which God, the sovereign of the
universe, has prescribed to all men, not by any formal promulgation, but by
the internal dictate of reason alone. It is discovered by a just
consideration of the agreeableness or disagreeableness of human actions to
the nature of man; and it comprehends all the duties which we owe either to
the Supreme Being, to ourselves, or to our neighbors; as reverence to God,
self-defence, temperance, honor to our parents, benevolence to all, a strict
adherence to our engagements, gratitude, and the like. Erskine’s Pr. of L. of
Scot. B. 1, t. 1, s. 1. See Ayl. Pand. tit. 2, p. 5; Cicer. de Leg. lib. 1.

Bouvier’s dictionary of law
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May 13, 2013 8:11pm
nasska

Two Germans are walking down the street. One of them is notorious
for his prejudice against Italians. Yet when he sees an Italian
organ grinder with a monkey, he throws $20 into the monkey’s hat.

His friend is surprised.

“But people have been telling me for years how much you hated
Italians, and here you go and do that.”

To which the guy replies,

“Well, I couldn’t help myself, they’re so cute when they’re
little.”
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May 13, 2013 8:11pm
nasska

Ugly Truth

But conditional within your explanation is the existence of a deity.

You cannot prove this, so your theory collapses.
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May 13, 2013 8:17pm
Griff

5 time lucky
#vodafone
ever seen a mako shark attack its pray
50kph chomp chomp no right no evil
nom nom nom dindins
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May 13, 2013 8:20pm
Bad__Cat

This discussion about “rights” sounds like being in the pub at closing time and this one table of pissheads just will not go home, as each one wants to have the last word.

Bye, I’m off
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May 13, 2013 8:30pm
UglyTruth

But conditional within your explanation is the existence of a deity.
You cannot prove this, so your theory collapses.

Wrong. Theories do not require proof in order to be of value. Also it’s difficult to prove a theory true, it’s much easier to prove it false.

And anyway, Occam’s Razor is the appropriate logical tool here, not formal proof.
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May 13, 2013 8:37pm
nasska

Ugly me old mate…..you’re fudging. Put your proof on the table or go to bed. 🙂
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May 13, 2013 8:49pm
KevinH

Firstly we have to get the phraseology right, good vs bad and divine vs evil, which are all relative to your own individual perception and are not universal. Also nature is a dynamic process of evolution and doesn’t occur in any form of “natural” process, it is disordered and random. Survival of the fittest remains the constant quantum.
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May 13, 2013 8:49pm
Griff

Some attemps to use logic remind me of being cudgeled with a ballon
pointless easly deflated without weight behind it.
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May 13, 2013 8:52pm
wat dabney

“But you can remove someone’s rights by force Wat”

No, you can’t. You can trample, ignore and oppress a person’s rights, but the rights remain.

Your property rights remain, even if someone takes your property with a gun or with a show of hands.

A government cannot bestow rights, because a (legitimate) government is simply people acting in concert to uphold their individual rights.
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May 13, 2013 8:53pm
nasska

….”Your property rights remain, even if someone takes your property with a gun or with a show of hands.”…..

But property rights, same as the personal rights you described, do not exist in the absence of your ability to enforce that supposed right. If you lose in law or lose in battle you have forfeited those rights…..a forfeited right is equal to a right that doesn’t exist. Therefore a right is a human construct…..something ethereal & without the ability or substance to prove its existence.

The only right you have is to defend yourself against someone who wishes to kill or enslave you.
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May 13, 2013 9:08pm
Pauleastbay

Wat is Ugly your doppleganger?
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May 13, 2013 9:08pm
Griff

That right is negatable as well wittness
Those that give obedence to the church enslaving their minds willingly
survival of the fittist is the right to fight
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May 13, 2013 9:29pm
Fletch

Just look at the genome. It is information in code. And code (or information) ALWAYS comes first – information doesn’t arrive after.

One of the foremost advocates of evolutionary theory, George C. Williams, has acknowledged: “The gene is a package of information, not an object…. In biology, when you’re talking about things like genes and genotypes and gene pools, you’re talking about information, not physical objective reality.” 30

To understand the role and character of biological information is to see the limits of scientific materialism. As the director of the German Federal Physics and Technology Institute, Professor Werner Gitt, has observed,

A physical matter cannot produce an information code. All experiences show that every piece of creative information represents some mental effort and can be traced to a personal idea-giver who exercised his own free will, and who is endowed with an intelligent mind…. There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter…. Information is something different from matter. It can never be reduced to matter. The origin of information and physical matter must be investigated separately.
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May 13, 2013 10:37pm
Griff

Enzymes and amino?acid + energy lightning
2,000,000,000 years
chances
Of life somewhere very good
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May 13, 2013 11:47pm
Griff

Wat is a rss Wat?
Loved the graph in ur other link
the disconnect between the hypothetical downward trend and the riseing temprature is obvious
wingnuts 🙂
Rss shows cooling surface shows warming proves agw
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May 14, 2013 12:01am
Manolo

This old, ancient, bird is nuts: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/may/13/pelosi-irs-problem-stems-court-ruling/
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May 14, 2013 7:07am
Fletch

Griff, I doubt it. And even if there was life it wouldn’t develop into what we have today with all the interconnected parts working together. That’s like suggesting the line of code: PRINT “HELLO WORLD” could develop into the Windows 7 operating system all on its own through randomness. Can’t happen. As with any code it must have intelligence behind it – a thinker.

A functioning computer does not generate the code that makes itself work. The design and code comes first. And the designer.
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May 14, 2013 10:51am