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Dave Mann

Good morning everybody!

Did anybody here listen to Michael Laws’ replacement on Radiolive yesterday? As a longtime Laws listener I tuned into Sean Plunket’s first day yesterday and I could only stand an hour of it. Boring and pedestrian would be my assessment. I switched it off.
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April 3, 2013 8:03am
Tauhei Notts

Aristotle once said that there is a mixture of madness in the most excellent of men.
Michael Laws is an excellent man with a double of that mixture.
Sean Plunket does not have that mixture.
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April 3, 2013 8:29am
wreck1080

I love this.

Against gay marriage — you’re a bigot.

Against changing the name of the North & South Islands – you’re a racist, pedant, or red-neck.

What happened to respect?
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April 3, 2013 8:35am
Manolo

Yes, let’s rename the islands in Stone Age lingo. That is progress in today’s NZ.
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April 3, 2013 8:37am
Judith

wreck1080 (2,748) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 am
What happened to respect?
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Exactly – what happened to respect for other peoples beliefs and culture?

What does it matter if we have an alternative named based on the language of a culture that was here before European. Its not going to be compulsory to use it. You don’t have to try pronouncing it.
How will it effect you personally? Will it interfere in your lifestyle, prevent you from earning a living, or cause you harm in any way (other than the obvious emotional harm it appears to be causing you)?

Why is it that so many seem to view ‘difference’ as an insult or a threat?
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April 3, 2013 8:44am
Keeping Stock

Stand by for the outrage at the news that Yashili Holdings International has received OIO approval to build a milk processing plant at Pokeno. So here’s a question to those who oppose this investment; would it be acceptable if Yashili was a British, US or Australian company, instead of Chinese?

New Zealand needs foreign investment, and the jobs and export earnings that are generated. Surely Yashili’s investment here should be welcomed, regardless of the skin tones on the investors.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/wait-for-outrage.html
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April 3, 2013 8:45am
Pete George

Egmont erupted when it was renamed Mount Taranaki.

The top fell off Mount Cook when it was dual named Aoraki (at least they used the right dialect).

And when more attention was given to prior names for the North and South Islands Kiwiblog went ballistic. Same old.
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April 3, 2013 8:53am
Judith

Pete George (16,993) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 8:53 am
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So, if history repeats itself, and they rename the North Island – will the top fall off and Auckland fall into the sea? 🙂
(It is pick on a jafa day – isn’t it?)
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April 3, 2013 8:56am
Keeping Stock

Richard Prosser probably wants the South Island renamed White Island, and the North Island renamed Wogistan; just sayin’ 😀
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April 3, 2013 8:57am
krazykiwi

I uncovered a possible reason for DPF’s outstanding exercise regime: He might be planning a trip to Samoa 🙂
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April 3, 2013 9:12am
kowtow

Another victory for the Muslim supremacists and another loss for common sense.

The irony is the Hagia Sophia is Christian architecture not Islamic.Turks invaded and occupied Christian Asia Minor.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100209981/lego-pulls-toy-following-accusations-of-being-anti-islamic-its-time-to-end-racism-in-the-nursery/
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April 3, 2013 9:19am
James Stephenson

We’ve already got a White Island KS, not an unsuitable place to send Mr Prosser either.
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April 3, 2013 9:19am
hj

When the japanese industrialised they sent people to the U.K and hired advisors. They didn’t invite them to migrate enmasse.

Sure we need foreign investment but i would like to know Keeping Stocks views on how we got to such a state of low savings. ‘Bet Keeping Stock is a nay sayer to the Savings Working Group report and to this:
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

‘bet Keeping Stock rode the pigs-back on the big run-up in asset inflation.
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April 3, 2013 9:22am
wreck1080

Ha ha, so anyone who doesn’t agree with “Judith” is a racist, or bigot, or whatever.

Something tells me it is Judith with the problem.
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April 3, 2013 9:32am
hj

“NZ needs to adapt to Chinese tourists. Chinese tourists are demanding. If we don’t provide what they want “they will come in over our heads… and you look who is providing the service”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2550861/time-for-nz-to-capitalise-on-china-tourists.asx

http://blog.sina.com.cn/alexchounz
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April 3, 2013 9:34am
hj

Souvenir companies fined for scamming tourists

The Rotorua retail outlet sold Peruvian-made alpaca rugs as made in New Zealand from local alpaca. The rugs were priced between $4000 and $8000 each, when Peruvian alpaca rugs typically retail for between $1000 and $1600.
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The court was told that Kiwi Wool makes and sells wool duvets to retail outlets and tour groups. These were labelled as being 100 per cent alpaca when in fact the alpaca wool content was only 20 per cent.

Kiwi Wool also manufactured and sold duvets labelled as 100 per cent New Zealand merino lamb wool, when the wool content was not merino.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8497507/Souvenir-companies-fined-for-scamming-tourists
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April 3, 2013 9:41am
flipper

It would be good if those proposing a name change were to:

a. Justification fir any change whatsoever
b. Show how many folk actually want the change
b. How many now use Maori names/spelling for Egmont, Wanganui, Mt Cook et sl…apart, that is, from the idiot PC brigade.

There may be one economic reason: a hidden subsidy to all printers and sign writers 🙂
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April 3, 2013 9:42am
flipper

CAMPBELL AND TV3 ARE DUMB AND DUMBER.

I am no booster of TV One, but at least this morning Christie allowed Key to say his piece of Tiwai. Last evening on TV3 Campbell kept interjecting and changing tack whenever Key started to clarify any economic or political point on the smelter situation.

Frankly, want to hear what the Prime Minister says on all such matters (irrespective of whether he is right or wrong) , and I do not want him over-ridden by whining, self aggrandising twits like Campbell.
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April 3, 2013 9:50am
hj

last night on Seven Up the interviewer interviewed their “Maori commentator” Willie jackson re a communities angst over including the local graveyard in treaty settlements. The interviewer stated “it’s fear based isn’t it?” So is he precluding the possibility that there are any rational concerns or what? Wille let fly with his “people are ignorant of our history and if they knew it they [would all be highly sympathetic]” and the settlements are only 1% of what is owed”… The basis of all this is deemed not worth wheedling out it is brushed over in all the yabba. The blond though the names we have for NZ are “boring” she’s entitled to her opinions, I think North and South are pure simplicity and do the job fine. Is a matter of relevance to (whoever).
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April 3, 2013 9:52am
Lance

Bra ha ha ha

NASA developed a nuclear powered experimental rocket called the KIWI that was never intended to fly (just a test bed).

http://gizmodo.com/5992441/how-nasas-nuclear-rockets-will-take-us-way-beyond-mars

I can think of several faux outraged parties demanding apologies (and compensation).
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April 3, 2013 9:56am
peterwn

Now that John Key has given the finger to Rio Tinto – what next? Rio’s objective is to sell its portfolio of smelters at its best possible price, so the effect of John Key’s decision is to depress the prospective sale price of Tiwai smelter. The new owners would then run or dismantle Tiwai on its merits. Rio is not going to shut it down out of spite – it is worth more as a going concern with a power contract in place than shut down and no power contract. Therefore IMO the risk of jobs being lost is pretty well the same whether the Government granted the subsidy or not.

There is another option – the Government could get Solid Energy to purchase the smelter, Solid Energy could build a coal fired power station next to it – problems solved. If Labour were in power, it would probably buy the smelter (a good strategic investment so it is worth paying a hefty premium) with Rio laughing all the way to the bank.
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April 3, 2013 9:57am
Judith

flipper (1,459) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 9:42 am
It would be good if those proposing a name change were to:

a. Justification fir any change whatsoever
b. Show how many folk actually want the change
b. How many now use Maori names/spelling for Egmont, Wanganui, Mt Cook et sl…apart, that is, from the idiot PC brigade.

There may be one economic reason: a hidden subsidy to all printers and sign writers
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I don’t think the option of name is a big issue – those are the ‘traditional’ names apparently for those that wish to use them. As you say ‘why now’? Could be financial.
I suspect it has a lot to do with tourism. People come here and pay plenty to see our Maori cultural history – displaying the historical name provides a bit more of that culture.

Really, in the big picture does it matter? Does it hurt anyone when we still have the choice of which we prefer? Its not a name change, but an optional addition – displaying the cultural heritage of this country. England displays its cultural heritage all the time – even changes names back to originals when discovered – I really fail to see what the big issue is on this one – unless it is racial – people don’t want the names because of which culture they belonged to?

Who knows, personally I think its a provision of ‘knowledge’ and any extra knowledge we gain is great.
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April 3, 2013 10:08am
krazykiwi

An interesting story for those who pin their hopes of a better future on increased tertiary education:

Tell youngsters the truth: the UK needs you to work not go to university

There is little that is more likely to lead to ruined lives than groupthink in politics, especially when it is imposed by a well-meaning, over-enthusiastic Establishment convinced that it is doing the right thing.

Tragically, as yet more data reveal, the decision to massively increase the number of school-leavers going to university, wrongly assuming that this would transform opportunity in an era of technological revolution, ranks as one of the greatest social and industrial policy blunders of recent decades.

Britain is facing a jobs crisis made in Downing Street and signed off by the leaders of all political parties, starting with Sir John Major, during the past quarter century. The problem is not the number of new jobs – there are lots of those, confounding the sceptics, and could be even more if the labour market doesn’t become over-regulated. The issue is that an obscenely large number of young people with a university education will not be able to find a job that matches their expectations.

Research from the US government, which without doubt applies equally to Britain, suggests that just one out of the top nine occupations expected to create the most jobs this decade requires a university degree.

The picture is truly dire for the army of university graduates: only five of the top 30 fastest-growing occupations expected to create the most jobs by 2020 require an undergraduate degree (or an additional post-graduate qualification) – nursing, teachers in higher education, primary school teachers, accountants and medical doctors – and 10 of the top 30 don’t require any kind of qualification at all.

I wouldn’t mind betting the same situation exists here in NZ.

Disclosure: I don’t have a degree. I’ve employed 100’s who have degrees though 🙂
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April 3, 2013 10:17am
hj

hard to beat North and South on a basis of practicality. Names aren’t neutral they represent influence and there are groups who badly want as many English names as possible changed. I think the issue is that people feel the efforts of certain elites will be towards dropping the “boring” names in a few generations.
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April 3, 2013 10:20am
kowtow

Campbell et al.

They use their shows as a vehicle for their narcissism.It’s becoming quite common.
The ODT had a Ask a scientitst piece the other day. New Pope has a chemistry degree or some such .

Article covered

sulfur ,brimestone etc. Quite good.Then last sentence the Otago Uni Prof tells us he ‘d
only agree with Pope on science nothing else. Simply un necessary but the Prof got his very personal point over.

I see the campaign against Lord Moncton has opened.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10874950
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April 3, 2013 10:23am
Fletch

So, Australia is likely to bypass the U.S dollar altogether and convert directly to the Chinese Yuan.

In what may mark the beginning of a historic shift, Australia appears ready to bypass the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency and allow for the direct convertibility of the Australian dollar into the Chinese yuan.

“Reserve currency” is the term used to describe a currency that many governments hold significant amounts of in foreign exchange reserves.
By directly converting its currency into Chinese currency, Australia’s businesses will be able to cut costs and the inconvenience of changing foreign-currency earnings into dollars, thereby encouraging and accelerating even more business with China.

Today, Australia is the fifth-largest source of Chinese imports, notes Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge:

Why is this so very critical? For the simple reason that the free lunch the US has enjoyed ever since the advent of the US dollar as world reserve currency, may be coming to an end as other, more aggressive alternatives – both fiat, and hard-asset based – to the USD appear. And since there is no such thing as a free lunch, all the deferred pain the US Treasury Department has been able to offset thanks to its global currency monopoly status will come crashing down the second the world starts getting doubts about the true nature of just who the real reserve currency will be in the future.

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Does this mean anything for NZ?
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April 3, 2013 10:31am
krazykiwi

kowtow – I saw that.

It would be good for Renwick, Mullan and Frame to demonstrate their superior scientific knowledge in 1:1 debates with Moncton.

Not holding my breath.

I suspect they’re cowards, hiding behind a protective MSM
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April 3, 2013 10:33am
davidp

There has been an outbreak of Shearer Account Forgetfulness Syndrome in France: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/jerome-cahuzac-france-offshore-account

It’s another socialist, of course.
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April 3, 2013 10:38am
dime

Dime turned on ZB this morning.

Some dude was being interviewed. the first thing i heard was “the govt should be subsidising us. they did with the hobbit just so john key could get his photo taken in hollywood”.

what a fuckwit.

he kept saying “3000 SOUTHLAND Jobs”. like its more important because its in southland.

Dime wouldnt care if southland was on fire.

he was from the EMPU or some such.

do unions ever think “maybe i shouldnt come across so spiteful? 50% of the country thinks quite different to me. maybe i shouldnt be trying to get them to switch off to my shitty opinions”.

then hosking went on to sound like a prat. apparently buses dont take eftpos. Dime hasnt bee on a bus since he was 14 but it makes sense to me. anyone whos stood behind someone using eftpos knows how slow it can be.

then he went to ban gon about how silly the easter trading laws are. i guess when you get 16 weeks holiday a year, another day off isnt a big deal. might be different if youre one of the poor bastards working in a mall
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April 3, 2013 10:38am
Manolo

The most moronic person on Earth: Robyn Toomath.
A slimline Samoan regional airline has come under fire for offering fares based on passengers’ weights.

Airlines don’t run on seats, they run on weight and the world-first charging system is helping people better understand the issue of obesity, says Samoa Airlines chief executive Chris Langton.

“This is the fairest way of travelling. There are no extra fees in terms of excess baggage or anything – it is just a kilo is a kilo,” he told Australia’s ABC radio.

But New Zealand-based Fight the Obesity Epidemic spokeswoman Robyn Toomath labelled the policy “absolutely appalling”.

“It’s a stigmatisation of people and really just powerfully discriminating,” she told the New Zealand Herald.
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April 3, 2013 10:51am
Judith

krazykiwi (8,986) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 10:17 am
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KK, you may like to read the book by Guy Standing – The Precariat: The new dangerous Class.

In it he mentions several types of ‘precariat’, one being young educated people, who having been told they need to educate themselves have gone into debt (large debt) to fund university education which, instead of providing they type of high levels of income they require to justify that debt, they have only been able to gain employment in low/average paid positions.

This group is angry (hence the ‘dangerous’ claim)

Blame is put on the ‘commodification of the university’, where instead of being about knowledge – science and culture – has become about providing a certificate/degree for anything and anyone on any subject including such things as a ‘bachelor of astrology’ etc.

http://www.bloomsburyacademic.com/view/The-Precariat/chapter-ba-9781849664554-chapter-003.xml (you don’t have to sign in, just close out of the sign in pop up) See section on commodification of Education

Its an interesting read. Other precariats include people with high education who are now unable to find steady work due to the technical advances they have actually been responsible for – (think telecom technicians).

“The precariat is not a class-for-itself, partly because it is at war with itself. One group in it may blame another for its vulnerability and indignity. A temporary low-wage worker may be induced to see the ‘welfare scrounger’ as obtaining more, unfairly and at his or her expense. A long-term resident of a low-income urban area will easily be led to see incoming migrants as taking better jobs and leaping to head the queue for benefits. Tensions within the precariat are setting people against each other, preventing them from recognising that the social and economic structure is producing their common set of vulnerabilities. Many will be attracted by populist politicians and neo-fascist messages, a development already clearly visible across Europe, the United States and elsewhere. This is why the precariat is the dangerous class and why a ‘politics of paradise’ is needed that responds to its fears, insecurities and aspirations.” – Guy Standing (Economics, Uni of Bath)

No – its not promoting socialism or anything like it –
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April 3, 2013 11:04am
Griff

Debate lord nutjob why?
you cant debate with someone whos idea of fact is, I just made it up so its true 😆

For example some claims of lord nutjob.

Science adviser to Maggie.
No
Nobel Peace Laureate.
No
Member of house of lords.
No
Expert reviewer
no
Inventor of a cure for HIV.
No

Expert at selling snake oil to ignorant yokels.
Yes
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April 3, 2013 11:06am
Fletch

Griff, speaking of Nobel Laureate, there’s a campaign been started to revoke Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize.
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April 3, 2013 11:09am
Paulus

As I understand once the renaming of anything in New Zealand, in non Maori terms, is put to the naming Board it cannot refuse to rename it to Maori intention.
I understand that the relevant act automatically approves it if the Board say so, and they are of course, not biased – see Wanganui.
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April 3, 2013 11:09am
Andrei

The source of all evil identified

Each of us is programmed from childhood to believe that the top group of our hierarchies — and in the U.S. culture, that’s white men — represents everyone, so it can feel awkward, even ridiculous, when we try to call attention to those people as a distinct group and hold them accountable.

For example, our schools teach American history as the history of everyone in this nation. But the stories we learn are predominantly about white men. To study the history of other groups, people have to take separate classes, such as African American history, women’s history or Native American history. And if we take “Hispanic American History,” we don’t expect to learn “Asian American History,” because a class about anyone but white men is assumed not to be inclusive of anyone else.

This societal and cultural programming makes it easy for conservative, white-male-led groups to convince the nation that an organization led by white men, such as the NRA or the tea party movement, can represent the interests of the entire nation when, in fact, they predominately represent only their own experiences and perspectives.
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April 3, 2013 11:15am
Fletch

Looks like TELETEXT has gone for good.
My folks still liked to look at it everyday (they are not internet savvy).
There is a message there today saying it is closed.
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April 3, 2013 11:16am
krazykiwi

On the contrary Griff, if Lord Moncton is as flakey as you claim (I note without links, citations or qualification) then debating with him would be the way to prove this.

If the alarmist’s really have the truth, and we must accept their word then putting Moncton on stage and making him look like a goat would be ideal, surely?

How about you volunteer to debate him Griff? I’d travel anywhere in NZ to watch you debate with the ‘conspirowcy nutjub’. Really I would.
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April 3, 2013 11:24am
Reid

The source of all evil identified Part II

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8502191/Mens-sex-chromosome-is-doomed

You watch feminists latch onto this like a leech.
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April 3, 2013 11:50am
david

re Moncton, can anyone advise where and when, anywhere in the world, he has lost an open debate on climate by reference to facts presented.

Now we all know that Griff’s hair is green. There has been no evidence presented, anywhere, anytime that contradicts this model which I have painstakingly prepared with reference to the theory “Hair = green, Griff has hair, return to start.”

Now Griff could prove me wrong by posting a photo of himself showing that his hair is not green but until he does the science is settled and anyone who claims otherwise will be called a hair denialist.

I am currently in the process of asking that the UN establish a panel to comment on this theory and have asked as many hair colourists in Pakistan as I can locate to become expert commenters and reviewers for the panel.

C’mon griff, show us the pictures – no fakes now …. only verifiable pictures. The front page of your passport would do if the photo is in colour.

Until then ponder the fact that the temperature change hiatus we are currently experiencing is beyond the parameters of the bulk of climate change models and is bordering on making the rest of them irrelevant. Inconvenient much …… huh?
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April 3, 2013 11:59am
SPC

Reid, gotta problem with being an endangered kind of the homo sapiens species?

I wonder if this has enabled our evolution in the past and will once again?
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April 3, 2013 12:06pm
SPC

Global arms treaty passed at the UN, wonder how it will effect the supply of arms into Syria, Gaza and Lebanon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21998394
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April 3, 2013 12:11pm
Judith

The X has about 1000 genes left, too many relating to sex and intelligence, she says.

The smaller Y started with about 1700 genes but only has 45 left, and that’s mostly “junk”.

So those with XY have about 1045 genes left.
Those with XX have about 2000 genes left.

The X has many genes relating to sex AND intelligence.

Just goes to prove what us girls already knew – no need to repeat it, it will just result in lots of red thumbs. 😉
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April 3, 2013 12:38pm
dime

and yet blokes still earn more money 😀
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April 3, 2013 12:48pm
Reid

See? It’s started already…:)
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April 3, 2013 12:49pm
Judith

dime (5,825) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm
and yet blokes still earn more money

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Yes dime – and please keep it up – because when you are all gone, and we are reaping the benefits of your efforts, we want to be sure there is plenty to enjoy! 🙂

Reid (13,310) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
See? It’s started already…:)
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Shshhhh – get back to work – you’ll have plenty of time to rest – when you’re extinct!! 🙂
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April 3, 2013 12:58pm
dime

when we are all gone?

Can you imagine how cranky Dime will be if he gets to 5 million years old?
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April 3, 2013 1:12pm
Pete George

David Shearer has been asked what Labour would do about Tiwai.

Labour leader David Shearer said he did not have the details of how much was needed to save the plant.

“I haven’t seen the numbers, until we see the numbers we can’t comment.

“We would be looking at the negotiations to see what we could do, but I can’t give a guarantee and I certainly wouldn’t be saying we would give Rio Tinto an open cheque book.”

Key needed to be more transparent about how much had been offered to Rio Tinto and what was needed to bridge the gap long-term, he said.

“What we don’t want to see is a Sky City or a Solid Energy type of activity going on here.”

The Government should put off the sale of Mighty River Power when there was so much uncertainty around electricity prices, he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8503559/No-open-cheque-book-for-Rio-Labour

No surprises, vague waffle, but I’m certainly glad about one certainty about what he won’t be saying:
“I certainly wouldn’t be saying we would give Rio Tinto an open cheque book.”
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April 3, 2013 1:13pm
dime

NZ HERALD Headline – only 30% of people prepared for an emergency.

As Bill Burr says – i hope they have guns. Otherwise all they are doing is gathering supplies for the toughest guy on the block!
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April 3, 2013 1:25pm
iMP

WOW, this is the most powerful 2 mins I’ve seen yet on the redef. of marriage debate. An 11 year old!!

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/wow-11-year-old-nails-same-sex-marriage-debate-2-mins/
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April 3, 2013 1:39pm
Fairfacts Media

I wonder how New Zealand might fare if Paula Bennett introduced similar reforms in New Zealand.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9963012/900000-choose-to-come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html
900,000 choose to come off sickness benefit ahead of tests
Nearly 900,000 people who were on incapacity benefit dropped their claim to the payments rather than undergo a tough medical test, latest government figures show.
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April 3, 2013 1:52pm
Fairfacts Media

Nice piece on the Obamas living the 1% lifestyle too.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/31/curl-the-obamas-live-the-1-percent-life/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
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April 3, 2013 1:54pm
Judith

dime (5,832) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 1:12 pm
when we are all gone?

Can you imagine how cranky Dime will be if he gets to 5 million years old?
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Don’t worry about it Dime – with 45 Y genes and 1000 X genes you’re more ‘girl’ than you realise – you’ll cope!

What I would like to know is:

How many genes did males used to have?
What has happened to them?
And… what sort of things did those now absent genes contribute to? Did the ancient male once have something you guys don’t ?
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April 3, 2013 2:22pm
mandk

Thanks iMP.
This girl absolutely nails it. Quite simply and beautifully, she exposes the dreadful truth that the supporters of gay “marriage” have totally disregarded the interests of children. The proponents of the Bill now before Parliament are utterly, utterly selfish. Again, I say, Wake up Parliament!
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April 3, 2013 2:30pm
Reid

This is quite a good take on privatised prisons as they operate in the US, IMO. They don’t operate here like they do there, so it doesn’t apply to us. But it’s an example of the wrong model being applied.

http://www.batr.org/totalitariancollectivism/033113.html
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April 3, 2013 2:54pm
Reid

Goodbye USD, and thank you. You’ve served us well…

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-31/thanks-world-reserve-currency-no-thanks-australia-and-china-enable-direct-currency-c
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April 3, 2013 5:12pm
bereal

Why don’t we call a spade what it is ?

The current discussion is about homosexuals wanting to use the term,” married.”

A marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

The term Gay is bullshit.
Why can’t homosexuals accept what they are and not be ashamed ?
Why pretend that you are something that you are not ?

Homosexuals can have a civil union. How are they disadvantaged by that ?

There is nothing wrong with being a homosexual but they need to understand that they
are different from heterosexuals.

Heterosexuals get married. Homosexuals have civil unions.

What’s wrong with that ?
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April 3, 2013 6:16pm
joe bloggs

As the issue over power supply to Rio Tinto have unfolded there’s been little attention on how the mayor of Invercargill will stand up to the challenge.

If RT closes Tiwai Point, the province stands to lose 5% of its workforce and 8% of its GDP.

Either/or: hissoner will either rise to the challenge and walk, like Jesus, on the water, or be swept away as a miserable has-been wanna-be…
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April 3, 2013 6:17pm
SPC

This

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8502191/Mens-sex-chromosome-is-doomed

may explain how we are all descended from men of c70-50,000 BCE (those who remained in or left Africa at this time), yet homo sapiens have a common female ancestry c200,000 years old.

Does it explain the homo erectus into homo sapiens transfer?
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April 3, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

Cultural laws

1) In Lebanon, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is punishable by death.

2) In Bahrain, a male doctor may legally examine a woman’s genitals, but is prohibited from looking directly at them during the examination. He may only see their reflection in a mirror.

3) Muslims are banned from looking at the genitals of a corpse. This also applies to undertakers; the sex organs of the deceased must be covered with a brick or piece of wood at all times.

4) The penalty for masturbation in Indonesia is decapitation.

5) There are men in Guam whose full-time job is to travel the countryside and deflower young virgins, who pay them for the privilege of having sex for the first time… Reason: under Guam law, it is expressly forbidden for virgins to marry.

6) In Hong Kong, a betrayed wife is legally allowed to kill her adulterous husband, but may only do so with her bare hands. The husband’s lover, on the other hand, may be killed in any manner desired.

7) Topless saleswomen are legal in Liverpool, England – but only in tropical fish stores.

8) In Cali, Colombia, a woman may only have sex with her husband, and the first time this happens, her mother must be in the room to witness the act.

9) In Santa Cruz, Bolivia, it is illegal for a man to have sex with a woman and her daughter at the same time.

10) In Maryland, it is illegal to sell condoms from vending machines with one exception: prophylactics may be dispensed from a vending machine only “in places where alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises.”
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April 3, 2013 8:00pm
kowtow

SPC is very PC with BCE which is newspeak for BC.
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April 3, 2013 8:26pm
SPC

kowtow, it’s a big world and most are not Christian.
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April 3, 2013 8:31pm
nasska

Shit…..it’s gone dead without Kea. 🙂
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April 3, 2013 8:39pm
kowtow

No, but it’s been 2013 years since what?
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April 3, 2013 8:46pm
SPC

There was no year zero.

Current Era is more accurate, given Christians could not even get the date right for the birth of some Jew to a virgin.
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April 3, 2013 8:56pm
jedmo

Mick and Mairead Philpott in the UK killed 6 of their children, in a plot motivated by their desire for continuing child benefit payments. This perversion of welfare aims shows how the welfare system has stopped being a help for those in need, and is now giving counter-productive signals and incentives eg have as many children as possible, to obtain state funding.
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April 3, 2013 8:58pm
David Garrett

What happened to Kea? Did those 50 demerits put him over the magic quota for a banning?
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April 3, 2013 9:13pm
calendar girl

Kea suspended until 10/04.
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April 3, 2013 9:27pm
kowtow

Daily Fail says the killer was getting 60 000 pound in child benefit!

Is it any wonder that Ahmed,and half of India Romania and Bulgaria are heading there?

Welfare is wonderful but not for workers,taxpayers or savers.
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April 3, 2013 9:38pm
kowtow

Isn’t multiculturalism marvellous?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/stop_the_boats_until_this_is_sorted/
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April 3, 2013 9:55pm
David Garrett

Oh well, Kea’s absence will allow Pete Bloody George to get another 1000 comments in…sanctimonious onanist…
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April 3, 2013 10:24pm
SPC

David Stockman, Budget Director during the early Reagan years, on US capitalism – the state of the economy today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/opinion/sunday/sundown-in-america.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=0
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