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April 26, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Pete George

Chris Trotter’s post indicates that initial far left jubilation about Labour’s apparent lurch to the left has turned to disgust over Grant Robertson’s capitulation to the market uproar over their sabotage.

Labour now face serious damage control, and their leader is missing in action – Where’s Norman and Shearer?

Grant Robertson has recently raised doubts about his “leader-in-waiting” credentials. He is now left handling what looks like a lemon, and even Labour’s core supporters have gone sour.

Robertson’s mettle will be tested. This will take much more management than muttering media mumbo jumbo.

Labour spooked, supporters spitting

His first tweet this morning was basically “la-la-la-la-la”.
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April 26, 2013 8:08am
Manolo

Fearmongers at work: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8598046/Cash-flow-stress-hits-one-in-two-Kiwis
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April 26, 2013 8:25am
flipper

It was just wonderful to learn this morning that France, under Hollande (the great socialist, aka wussel red Norman, Shearer and wet behind the ears Parker) has all but matched Spain’s record and current unemployment rate of 27.2 %, is it not?

Can you remind me about our unemployment rate? Please.
Currently sub 7 % is it not?

Wonderful red melon/labour future we have in front of us. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:28am
dishy

Today’s Dominion Post has a big headline: “Greens, Labour rebuff criticism” (over their power play). But all the article had to say of the Greens in that respect was that Hughes called into question the motives behind firms like Credit Suisse, First NZ Capital and UBS, because they have a stake in the float. How convenient to sideline the expert industry analysts – who happen to have reputations and professional and legal standards to uphold. Is that the best the Greens can do? It probably is, given their own lack of business acumen. Meanwhile, that creep Parker dismisses Contact’s recent share price dive on the grounds that the shares are still trading at a price higher than last year. I should steal Parker’s wallet and tell him not to mind – he’s still richer than he was last year.
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April 26, 2013 8:37am
Reid

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8598031/Greens-Labour-rebuff-criticism

The Opposition parties are staring down a deluge of research reports that have threatened to drown their Pharmac-like solution to high power prices in a sea of numbers…

…The Greens said they would be taking their version of the proposal on the road to source industry feedback.

“We’re talking about a two-year implementation timeline, and we’re trying to get the best advice we can from official experts and the public in delivering cheaper prices,” Hughes said.

And here we have it. The media’s first foray into selling the policy to the public on behalf of the Liarbore/Gween parties. Despite the fact the media have some very astute business analysts all of whom could tell the editors and sub-editors this is simple braying lunacy, the public aren’t going to be given that line. Instead the public are going to be told that this is just like pharmac, and look how well that works, whereas the objections to it are “a sea of numbers” and therefore far, far too complicated for the average MSM reader to wrap their heads around.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/osullivan_on_power_nationalisation.html – read DPF’s extracts of OSulivan’s article.

Jones suggested energy analysts’ capacity to “make 5 to 7 per cent of the public hate us [because of this policy] is zero. Our capacity to impress that percentage [with this policy] is infinite”.

In other words, the sniff of power is so enticing to Jones that he is prepared to give away the return on state-owned assets to consumers to bribe his party’s way back to power.

Jones forgot to mention the media’s complicity in this. I wonder if Shearer’s given key journos his own private cell number yet with an invitation to “call me, anytime?” [Just as Hulun did]
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April 26, 2013 8:40am
liarbors a joke

Agree Manolo. But so many people do live week to week and they gota ask themselves..do I need that i-phone, do I need that late model car on hp , do I need label clothing , do we have to keep up with the Jones. Simple…live within your means.
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April 26, 2013 8:43am
kowtow

French unemployment and what is the socialist govt’s legislative priority?

Homo marriage. You’ve just got to love a socialist………and all those who pretend not to be socialists but who support “equality”.

And Spain in deep shit too.

The funny thing is both countries are awash with illegal immigrants who have “human rights” ,can’t be kicked out and are now helping to suck those places dry.

Equality you have to love it.
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April 26, 2013 8:50am
niggly

Mind you that Fairfax report reinforces the fact that the Greens (Hughes) do not understand the wider issue and resort to the usual conspiracy theories in reply. Once they get onto their roadshow bangwagon hopefully they will be countered by informed commentators and continue to be mocked.

As for Parker, he can dismiss all he likes but unfortunately all he is doing is reinforcing his own lack of credibility to again, informed commentators and the industry. I suspect someone like David Cunliffe is quietly shaking his head about how this golden opportunity was blown and mishandled since last week – he would have handled this much better if he hadn’t been sidelined by Shearer and Parker. I wonder if the BBQ is about to wheeled out if this issue rebounds badly in the polls?

Like Rudd v Gillard, I suspect Cunliffe v whomever is not still far under the surface!
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April 26, 2013 8:56am
Manolo

PC madness. Under the nefarious influence of progressivism it is bound to happen here, too:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/23/washington-gives-boot-gender-specific-words-fisher/
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April 26, 2013 8:57am
bringbackdemocracy

Great to see Spain’s move to “Green Jobs” worked out so well for them. When can we start here? Oh that’s right Nov 2014.
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April 26, 2013 9:01am
Redbaiter

“Simple…live within your means.”

They do not have to.

The left mortgages our future and our children’s future and distributes the money to these losers to buy their votes.

Then when it all collapses they blame capitalism.
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April 26, 2013 9:02am
Pete George

But but but – the media are all against the poor lefties!

I would not want to criticise and rubbish him all that much though, as it is a bit too much expected, to have Labour be courageous and announce daring new policies, while virtually ALL media out there are still firmly supportive and sympathetic to Key and the Nat led government.

They will not give Labour or the Greens a fair chance, no matter how good and sensible they may be. It is time to actually take on and use this damned biased, commercially focused, misinforming MSM, to expose their manipulations and to hold them to account.

I am afraid, we live no longer in a true democracy, as that requires properly and objectively informed citizens to shape their own independent views and opinions. We just do not get informed in a balanced and objective manner anymore.

As if we ever did “get informed in a balanced and objective manner”.

The media are always to blame for Labour’s ineptitude and Greens self exposure. They are so right (in a leftish sense) it couldn’t possibly be their own fault.
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April 26, 2013 9:08am
Reid

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879810

This should be good, Gerald Hensley on his book about ANZUS, says Lange lied about the Buchanan plus Clark was the real driver, on The Nation tomorrow.
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April 26, 2013 9:13am
flipper

It is good to see that the more perceptive among us are wide awake this morning. Well said, Dishy, PG, Niggly, Reid, Red Bringback…. et al.

Would that the children at Fairfax and APN give up their present tasks, and return to school. Oh.. a Charter School, not the NZEI/PPTA travesty.
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April 26, 2013 9:21am
dishy

Reid. Yes, there was an article about that in the Dominion Post today – the editorial in which bagged John Key and reminded him that he was elected…”to maintain the standards set by his predecessors” (which rather begs the question as to which predecessors – Clark? Lange?). No wonder the dude selling the papers today was hollering: “Extra! Extra! Read all about how the Dominion Post is desparately trying to undo the damage done by the Labour Greens hand grenade”.
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April 26, 2013 9:26am
Reid

PC psychobabble bullshit creates own alternative reality.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879837

This is part of the whole social engineering ploy. To create racism where it doesn’t exist. To create sexism where it doesn’t exist. To pretend there are no differences between the sexes and the races.

Devoy has just gone way down in my estimation for her reaction. She should have said: very hard to believe, we’ll need to do some actual research, not just pretend stuff.

My theory is that viewers of The Vote has by now dwindled to bimbos and other assorted intellectually challenged groups who are incapable of discerning that The Vote is not really compelling viewing at all. Instead I imagine said viewers leaning forward as one or the other presenters makes a “vastly intellectual” point, one that they would never ever have thought of, not in a million years.
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April 26, 2013 9:29am
Rivka

Labour and the Greens are rancid Mongolian yak butter.
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April 26, 2013 9:39am
kowtow

Reid those immigrants who think NZAotearoa is not racist are clearly in need of re education!

The other point is ,if I was asked Is Aotearoa a racist country ,my answer would be yes it is.

There is a huge amount of racism here. In favour of Maoris particularly and Pacific Islanders.When one group is favoured over another on grounds of ethnicity that is racism.

Our Establishment Elite are racist towards them in that they think they can’t help themselves and treat all of them as a disadvantaged minority and continually refer to them as such.

Poor white folk have disadvantages too but we never hear about them from the lefty academic media politco types do we?
That’s racism.
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April 26, 2013 9:40am
Tauhei Notts

The trendy lefties have an intense dislike of Dame Susan Devoy.
Their latest pathetic outburst about her speech at a fundraising dinner last Saturday shows that.
Dianne Sharp, of the Macular Degeneration Society showed much more gumption with her comments, which were dismissive of the left wing rats. Having met Dianne on several occasions I can assure readers that her credibility rating is much higher than those who hate Dame Susan Devoy.
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April 26, 2013 9:47am
alloytoo

@ Reid

What’s “The Vote?”
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April 26, 2013 9:47am
samtheman

I have a question for everyone which I’ve been thinking about a lot lately:

What should be the government’s principal objective?

Some thoughts:

– Maximise the populace’s happiness (if a policy makes us less happy on aggregate, why do it?)

– Maximise the populace’s freedom (although what freedoms? Obviously not the freedom to kill others)

– Minimise the effect of luck on a person’s success (Imagine how well capitalism would work if your success was only a function of how hard you worked)

I’m interested to hear what everyone else thinks
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April 26, 2013 10:24am
Reid

kowtow, good point.

alloytoo, a TV3 program when two journos pretend to insightfully “debate” a topical issue and the audience votes. OK in principle but in practice it’s superficial emotive hysteria aimed at your average 10-year old, same as SevenSharp.
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April 26, 2013 10:27am
Fletch

The corruption of the young in the U.S continues, with 12 and 13 year old girls at an “anti-bullying presentation” told to ask another girl for a kiss and pretend they were out on a lesbian date.

Parents of children attending a Red Hook, New York, middle school are outraged after a recent anti-bullying presentation at Linden Avenue Middle School.

The workshop for 13 and 14-year-old girls focused on homosexuality and gender identity. They were also taught words such as “pansexual” and “genderqueer.”

Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.

“She told me, ‘Mom we all get teased and picked on enough. Now I’m going to be called a lesbian because I had to ask another girl if I could kiss her,'” parent, Mandy Coon, told reporters.

Coon says parents were given no warning about the presentation and there was no opportunity to opt-out. Both the school principal and the district superintendent are defending the workshops and advising they will schedule more.

“The school is overstepping its bounds in not notifying parents first and giving us the choice,” another parent said. “I thought it was very inappropriate. That kind of instruction is best left up to the parents.”

“I was absolutely furious — really furious,” a parent who asked to remain anonymous told reporter Todd Starnes, “These are just kids. I’m dumbfounded that they found this class was appropriate.”

Superintendent Paul Finch told The Poughkeepsie Journal the presentation was “focused on improving culture, relationships, communication and self-perceptions.”

“We may require more notification to parents in the future,” Finch said.

He claimed the sessions are required under the state Dignity for All Students Act, which prohibits harassment and bullying in the classroom.

Principal Katie Zahedi and guidance counselors at the middle school worked with Bard students to organize the workshops.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/April/Girls-Told-to-Ask-For-Lesbian-Kiss-at-School/

This is going to happen more and more as this kind of thing is pushed on kids. They are being indoctrinated.
I shudder to think what kind of material will be coming into our New Zealand school classrooms and libraries now that ‘gay marriage’ (the phrase is a contradiction in itself) is legal.
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April 26, 2013 11:01am
dime

fletch- sounds hot
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April 26, 2013 11:12am
Jack5

The Leftist bias against Susan Devoy’s appointment as Race Relations Commissioner continues.

In a Fairfucked Media report today of her speech to a charity event in Hamilton, Sir Peter Leitch and two spokespeople for the charity, defend Susan Devoy. However, they take second place to an attack by one Jeanette Tyrell and criticism by an unnamed person.

Tyrell is described as a Hamilton public relations consultant, but the only link I can find for her onthe web is to the Waipa District Council, for whom she is listed as a contact. Perhaps Kiwiblog readers know wmore about Tyrrell.

Is it unfair to say that when a reporter quotes a fairly obscure PR consultant, the sceptical reader thinks, aha, this scribbler thinks a PR career could be an option some day?

Good on Minister Collins and National for appointing Devoy to this post, which has been a preserve of Marxists and other leftists. Who gives a stuff if the appointment doesn’t suit a provincial PR.
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April 26, 2013 11:20am
Pete George

samtheman – governing is a balancing act of a very complex and changing social and economic environment, and is riddled with unintended consequences.

Even a simple (on the surface) concept like “freedom” is complicated when you have more than one person in a population. Anyone who has been in a two person relationship should understand that, as will any parent. And the wider the social connections the more complex it becomes.
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April 26, 2013 11:31am
backster

Kris Faafoi , Arthur LIttle, and Darien Fenton had little interest in the Anzac ceremonies or in the distress of the mother of the young girl who was strangled and set ablaze by the double kiddie murderer. They were too pre-occupied supporting Arthur TAYLOR probably Public Enemy No 1 in NZ Criminal Terms in his campaign to have smoking re-introduced into prisons. This article shows the direction Labour’s Justice and Police Policies will flow.http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8593997/Minister-slams-prison-groupie-MPs
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April 26, 2013 11:36am
UglyTruth

PC psychobabble bullshit creates own alternative reality.

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” ~ Karl Rove
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April 26, 2013 11:44am
samtheman

Pete – I completely agree, freedom is so much more complicated than most people who through the term around seem to believe.

I came on to this topic while reading about a futurist vision of democracy: if we had a supercomputer that could effectively model the complex social and economic environment, we could conceivably get it to generate policies that optimised some objective. A simpler, more believable example would be a computer running the Reserve Bank, with the inflation target its objective.

In this ideal scenario, what would be the best objective?
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April 26, 2013 11:47am
Jack5

Something different, folk, but important and perhaps ominous for the NZ economy…

As a counter to the pro-China PR from politicians and NZ bank spokesmen, this video clip from CNBC is worth looking at. It’s also very bearish on mining industries. NZ’s two biggest markets are mining-rich Australia and China. The Vale they mention is the Brazilian mining giant. The link:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100669030
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April 26, 2013 11:48am
Viking2

Jack. Have a look back at last nights GD where I posted some links from Aussie. Lots of mines getting shut and the future for the Aussie economy not that good.
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April 26, 2013 12:09pm
liarbors a joke

The lowest of the low is not only a thief..but also a liar…

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8648810/man-denies-stealing-anzac-day-trumpets
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April 26, 2013 12:19pm
liarbors a joke

I noted the same yesterday backster only to be called dogshit by flipper..what a loon this flipper is..

“Ms Collins said visits to maximum security prisoners, particularly with an escape record, were a drain on resources.

“I’m staggered that these three Noddies would go and waste Corrections’ time.”

“Love it ! Go crusher !”

and flippers response…

“Liar… Are you are dog faeces?
You give a very good imitation of that or clay when opining on this subject.
Time to open you mind, little one”
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April 26, 2013 12:27pm
UglyTruth

Daily Mail: Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown – despite police account of firefight and him ‘shooting himself’

Most popular comment: +806

Very suspicious. Cops were there for hours before they even fired! They also claimed a massive shootout with the older brother, but he only had one 9mm and the younger brother had nothing?? They couldn’t possibly have exaggerated what they found at the scene in order to continue with their Martial Law could they have? No, of course the police would never do that!
– Pat, Jacksonville, United States, 25/4/2013 14:30

Most unpopular comment: -268

Umm… Who cares if if he was armed or not? He deserved to be shot. If we didn’t need his testimony, etc , we could have blown him to smithereens! Really? We are worried about shooting this unarmed man at this point? Dare you DM to post… You never post my stuff. I’m radical.
– betty, Dallas , Tx, 25/4/2013 15:21
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April 26, 2013 12:31pm
Nookin

Seems that Stuff interviewed one person who doesn’t like Devoy and another 2 or 3 who liked her speech. Stuff then decided that the disgruntled person’s view made a better headline.

Was anyone there who can comment?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8599493/Susan-Devoy-makes-train-crash-speech
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April 26, 2013 12:35pm
Zapper

So Robyn Malcolm wishes Lenin happy birthday on her Facebook page and is then surprised when people respond negatively. Perhaps she’ll wish Hitler happy birthday next, given she appears to respect socialist dictators, responsible for death, poverty and misery.

What a classy lady.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10879774

And we also have a Shortland Street “actress” making political comment and expecting to be taken seriously. John Key’s response was correct.
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April 26, 2013 12:49pm
Elaycee

@Nookin (12.35pm): Yup – this is just the usual crap served by a lapdog left wing media – in this case Stuff. Their ‘article’ was based on the comments from one woman from a PR company in Hamilton who clearly doesn’t like Dame Susan. But the Mad Butcher was so pissed off with the negative response that he is reviewing his own support!

The Mad Butcher, Sir Peter Leitch, who was also a guest speaker at the dinner and charity auction, leapt to Dame Susan’s defence…. The high-profile philanthropist said the public response to her performance had made him “review what I do in the community”. “I feel absolutely sick in the guts.” Sir Peter said his decision is “a major” after years of community and charity work and believes the accusations are “politically driven”.

But don’t expect to see any headline about Sir Butch…. because it won’t suit Stuff’s political agenda.
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April 26, 2013 12:55pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?
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26 April 2013

PROTEST: “The Government is NOT going to get a ‘good price’ for Mighty River Power – call off the sale!”

Friday 26 April 3 – 5.30pm

Outside the Head Office of Mighty River Power

ANZ building 23- 29 Albert St, Auckland City

MAP : https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Map+Mighty+River&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=Mighty+River&hnear=0x6d0d47fb5a9ce6fb:0x500ef6143a29917,Auckland&cid=0,0,14661661492653781907&ei=-rx5UZzZM6WaiAfF1IHYCw&sqi=2&ved=0CLABEPwSMAE

(Protest organised by the Switch Off Mercury Energy group).
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SOE Minister Tony Ryall said the Government wouldn’t sell Mighty River Power unless they could get a ‘good price’.

(Official Information Act reply from Minister of State Owned Enterprises, Tony Ryall, dated 17 March 2013)

“Let me make it quite clear. If the Government doesn’t get a good price the Government isn’t going to sell.”

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ung4048v4cgtul7/Slevel6.3-c13031716040.pdf

The Government are NOT going to get a ‘good price’ for Mighty River Power, according the opinion expressed in the Dominion Post Editorial dated 24 April 2013:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/8587747/Editorial-Key-should-consider-MRP-sale-delay

“Editorial: Key should consider MRP sale delay

OPINION: An unholy mess. There is no other way to describe the Government’s partial asset sales programme.

With just days to go before the public offering of shares in Mighty River Power closes, the float is shrouded in uncertainty. Is the country’s single biggest consumer of electricity about to shut its doors? Will Labour and the Green Party be part of the next government and, if so, will they make good on their promises to renationalise the electricity industry by stealth?

Potential investors have no way of knowing whether Rio Tinto is serious about closing the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter unless it can wring further concessions from the Government and Meridian Energy. Likewise, they have no way of knowing whether Labour and the Greens will be in a position to implement their policies after the next election.

But, amid all the uncertainty, there is one certainty: the price the Government and, ultimately the public, will receive for shares sold in Mighty River Power will be lower because of the uncertainty. ….

However, political considerations should not determine the fate of an asset worth billions of dollars that has been built up by generations of taxpayers. The Government’s overriding concerns should be ensuring that taxpayers get fair value for the business and that as many New Zealanders as possible take advantage of the opportunity to become shareholders in it.

Neither of those goals are likely to be achieved while there is a possibility of the country being flooded with cheap electricity and the next government telling generators how much they can charge for electricity and how they should operate their power stations.

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But, delaying the sale till after the next election would at least allow voters to choose which of the two approaches offers the better prospect of sensible pricing and secure supply. It would also allow time for the future of Tiwai Point to be resolved.”
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SO! CALL OFF THE SALE OF MIGHTY RIVER POWER!

Is NZ Prime Minister John Key, (a shareholder in the Bank of America), going to continue to put his mouth where his money is, and look after investors – or is he going to look after the public majority of taxpayers?

(Remembering that arguably the majority of taxpayers are not investors?)

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/DFA6C21E-69A8-433F-8BA9-956431281F7F/222223/register2012_3.pdf (Pg 33)

“Rt Hon John KEY (National, Helensville)
……..
Bank of America – banking ”

How appropriate is it for the four people responsible for setting the ‘final price’ of Mighty River Power shares are those who seem ‘hell bent’ on selling off Mighty River Power at any price, seemingly regardless of the cost to taxpayers?

“.. I can advise that Cabinet has delegated authority to a group of Ministers to set the final price for shares in the Mighty River Power share offer. the group of Ministers is the Prime Minister (John Key) Minister of Finance (Bill English) , Minister for Economic Development and Associate Minister of Finance Steven Joyce, and Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Tony Ryall).”

(Above-mentioned Official Information Act reply from Minister of State Owned Enterprises, Tony Ryall, dated 17 March 2013).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ung4048v4cgtul7/Slevel6.3-c13031716040.pdf

How many taxpayers (or investors) know this?

Prime Minister John Key, Minister of Finance Bill English, Minister for Economic Development and Associate Minister of Finance Steven Joyce, and Minister of State-Owned Enterprises Tony Ryall, must act in a fiscally responsible, and financially prudent way and look after the interests of taxpayers by calling of the sale of Mighty River Power – NOW.

The other risk the NZ Government faces is that thousands of new ‘Mum and Dad’ investors, not to mention larger investors, both national and international, may lose confidence in the NZ sharemarket, because of the uncertainty over this ‘unholy mess’ which is currently the Mighty River Power share launch.

Tomorrow – Saturday 27 April 2013 will be actions all over New Zealand opposing asset sales – which today’s protest outside Mighty River Power, will help to advertise:

More details here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151637356866477&set=a.10150791157961477.468088.568131476&type=1&theater

Auckland – http://www.fb.com/events/151078145052593/
Wellington – http://www.fb.com/events/549656878400623/
Chirstchurch – http://www.fb.com/events/498770806846579/

Hamilton – 1: http://www.fb.com/events/226408490833717/
2: http://www.fb.com/events/150556321785316/
Tauranga – http://www.fb.com/events/165947043558739/
Napier – http://www.fb.com/events/101180450070550/
Palmerston North – http://www.fb.com/events/428833110546101/
Nelson – http://www.fb.com/events/178199345664434/
Dunedin – http://www.fb.com/events/228130223991407/
Hanmer Springs (Sunday 28 April) -www.fb.com/events/571065112918062/
Greymouth (Sunday 28 April) – http://www.fb.com/pages/Greymouth-Sunday-Markets/334434963322711

Penny Bright
A Spokesperson for the Switch Off Mercury Energy group

https://www.facebook.com/SwitchOffMercuryEnergy?fref=ts
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April 26, 2013 1:02pm
anticorruptionnz

Have launched a Civil justice web site http://www.civiljustice.co.nz looking for those who support truth fairness and transparency in our courts .

I am a 7 year veteran of the district court after questioning corrupting. The district court has been used very effectively to pervert the course of justice. Have spoken to far too many people and heard far too many stories to now know that the civil court is totally abused. Time to change that .. I welcome anyone’s story and or support.

This includes family court, its not a mother group issue or a fathers group issue all have equal rights and above all all have the right to truth and fair play.
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April 26, 2013 1:03pm
Pete George

samtheman: “what would be the best objective?”

Even within one political party you would get much debate on that, let alone across the spectrum.

A National model for the Reserve Bank would have been simple over the last year, a Labour-Green model would be tinkering all over the place wondering why poverty didn’t suddenly disappear.

Without a connection to the US, Japanese, Chinese, Australian, British and EU models it would be a bit underpowered.
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April 26, 2013 1:08pm
Pete George

Should NZ be a tax haven for retirees? A petition has been presented to Parliament to promote the idea – and Winston doesn’t seem to be involved.

American Henry Work wants New Zealand to become a tax haven for financially independent retirees who have fallen in love with the place.

He reckons the country should devise a visa system for retirees who want to spend their remaining years here and provide an economic fillip to the towns they settle in.

Work moved to Nelson five years ago on a business visa and, because he wants to stay, has devised the basics of a visa category for financially independent retirees.

Local MP Nick Smith has tabled a petition in Parliament, put together by Work and signed by about 300 people, asking that the Department of Immigration investigate changes to regulations that would make New Zealand an attractive retirement hub.

The core of Work’s plan is that retirees moving here would have to pay their own way and make no call either on the benefits system (including NZ Super), or the health system. That would inject money into the economy, which is a high priority for the Government, he said.

His plan includes a possible requirement for the retirees to pay a bond in to a government-operated trust fund which would be available should they need medical treatment they are unable to directly pay for.

In return, the visa would allow the retiree to stay as long as they wanted, with freedom of entry and exit at will, just as other New Zealanders have.

He would like to see them have certain civic rights like being able to vote and purchase medical insurance, and, perhaps controversially, he would ultimately like them to gain the right after a certain number of years to become eligible for permanent residency, and then citizenship.

He imagines such a system would naturally exclude those with certain criminal convictions, as well as those in poor health, and the retirees would be taxed only on income arising in New Zealand. They would also pay tax through the GST system, and other levies.

Work said the current visa system allowed overseas retirees to make short stays of three to six months without too much trouble, and for some with relatives here to even qualify to settle. Some could also buy businesses. But he felt New Zealand was missing a trick.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8598030/Call-for-NZ-to-be-tax-haven-for-retirees

Would that mean we could become the Land of the long grey crowd?
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April 26, 2013 1:34pm
Elaycee

@anticorruptionnz: I would have thought that any outfit that has ‘supporters’ including Vince Siemer, Sue Henry and Penny Bright, should actually be avoided.

So, no thanks.

PS: Are you standing again in Epsom next year? 😯
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April 26, 2013 1:38pm
kowtow

Talking of dodgy visas, TV3 news ran a story on the 7000 visas issued to PI fullas to pick fruit here.

That must mean were at full employment and there’s no one available to do the work……………………………..

Nick Smith needs to present a petition about that.
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April 26, 2013 1:56pm
anticorruptionnz

@Elaycee
I have always warned people that you should be careful about assumptions -when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

You are making a very broad assumption and your ignorance is showing for the record I am motivated on this project because as a private Investigator I am hearing the same stories over and over from the courts victims and no one is doing anything to bring these people who have lost children, property , houses, businesses through foul play together.

People have rights but the current manner in which the court is used gives the unscrupulous and those with corrupt lawyers and pots of money the edge over the true and rightful owners.

Justice should be a level playing field not played out and won by cheating and lying.

For the record of the people you have named I have only met two of them, I do believe that there is freedom of association in New Zealand. I hold my own views and I reserve the right to agree or disagree with any one on any given issue. I don’t judge any one by who they are associated with or know to do so is simply small minded and bigoted and reflects only on the person doing the judging.

For the record I did not stand in Epsom last elections , I have no current political aspirations.

I do not support corruption and am lobbying to have all involved in the court held accountable to the truth through the perjury laws. When people are not accountable to the truth there is no fairness in the court, without fairness there can be no justice.

If you don’t support justice that is your problem, it is an age old issue and many have lost their lives fighting for it.

If you don’t like who I associate with then perhaps the best thing is to remain silent as your comments are a reflection of what you are.

Evil prevails when good men do nothing ..
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April 26, 2013 2:15pm
Pete George

Ben Uffindell, writer of the “The Civilian” is reportedly thinking of quitting blogging, following the hint of legal action over a recent post lampooning Colin Craig.

Civilian to quit blogging

The Conservatives fight back.
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April 26, 2013 3:05pm
Elaycee

@anticorruptionnz:

If you don’t like who I associate with then perhaps the best thing is to remain silent as your comments are a reflection of what you are.

Really?

Remember, you are also judged by the people you associate with. And even if you only “know” two of the three supporters mentioned, that is two too many for me. I’ve never spoken to Siemer but a read of his well publicised (unsuccessful) legal efforts would suggest he’s not a person I’d want over for a BBQ. I’ve not been introduced to Ms Not-So either, but I can identify a mungbean from a distance and, given her previous association with the Workers Communist League / Minto et al, our values are diametrically opposed. And Sue Henry is another over vocal biddie who bleats long and hard that the taxpayer owes her a state provided house for her lifetime (true!) and, frankly, I find her sense of entitlement totally nauseating.

So… not for me. Thanks.
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April 26, 2013 4:01pm
axeman

Now that global warming is completely unravelling ….
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100213490/how-your-typical-middle-of-the-road-columnist-is-greeting-the-death-of-global-warming/

The real deniers
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/23/the-real-deniers-of-climate-change/#ixzz2RQLFTRLR
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April 26, 2013 4:05pm
Kea

anticorruptionnz , I think you need to be more specific, rather than making vague accusations and delivering well worn cliches. It is hard to tell what your intentions are.

Can Penny Bright vouch for you ?
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April 26, 2013 4:15pm
Reid

Ben Uffindell, writer of the “The Civilian” is reportedly thinking of quitting blogging, following the hint of legal action over a recent post lampooning Colin Craig.

If I was Ben I’d launch a campaign to raise funds for legal expenses and take him on.

The MSM would get behind him and it would get massive exposure for his brilliant site. Which he could then sell advertising on to further his fundraising.

I think it’s quite churlish of Craig to be doing this, he should know in the political arena you don’t throw defamation suits round willy-nilly, criticism and harsh comment comes with the territory.

Since the media loves the underdog, they will totally excoriate Craig and lionise Ben.

Here’s a useful post from media lawyer Steven Price on this precise issue:
http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=608

At the end of the day Ben while only young clearly has tremendous talent and it would be a tragedy to lose such a magnificent shining light before he’s barely started.

And Ben, if you decide to continue and to fight this thing, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a lawyer stepped up and offered you pro bono services. (I’m not one but I would if I was.)
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April 26, 2013 4:17pm
axeman

Kea, have you seen the recent reports? Of course the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot will denigrate these as ‘nutters’ and ‘conspirowacky’ 🙂

http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/11157-the-economist-cautiously-admits-global-warming-theory-overblown.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416

They are climbing down on their ALARMISM but still claim that we should not reduce efforts combat climate change
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/4/5/full-retreat.html

Not even the ALARMIST IPCC can find scientific evidence that extreme weather is getting worse.
Extracts from the SREX report.
http://omnologos.com/official-ipcc-words-we-do-not-know-if-the-climate-is-becoming-more-extreme/
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April 26, 2013 4:23pm
kowtow

Oh dear,quality employees.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gang-leader-allegedly-fathers-children-guards-article-1.1326994
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April 26, 2013 4:24pm
Kea

axeman (193) Says:

April 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Now that global warming is completely unravelling ….

axeman, I am kinda of sad it is all over. I miss Griffs hysterical and abusive rants. It was fun while it lasted.

I wonder what they will come up with next ? So far its been an Ice Age, a “hole” in the atmosphere, A warm age, Peak Oil …
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April 26, 2013 4:25pm
Kea

Griff, the KB community welcomes you back from your sabbatical of shame.

Many otherwise sensible & well intentioned people have been fooled by cults. We know you meant well and we are here to help your recovery and intergration back into society. We will give you grounded and factual guidence in a nuturing environment. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 4:30pm
Reid

Update: sorry, hadn’t realised Craig has withdrawn the suit.

Scary stuff Ben, but compare that small amount of now ended worry and anguish with all of that pleasure you get from putting the site together on a daily basis.

Don’t let one sanctimonious little prick put you off all of that.
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April 26, 2013 4:31pm
Redbaiter

You’re a complete idiot Reid.
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April 26, 2013 5:17pm
Reid

C’mon RB, he was behaving like a plonker. I haven’t watched enough of him to understand the policies and it may be that he won’t turn out to be a hillbilly bimbo from Alsaka like one of your other political heroes was and is, but over this incident, plonker applies and stands.
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April 26, 2013 5:55pm
Kea

won’t turn out to be a hillbilly bimbo from Alsaka

So is it the working class or women that offend you Reid ?

(By “bimbo” I will assume you mean straight)
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April 26, 2013 6:40pm
liarbors a joke

Penny Bright… you’re an idiot..

thats all.
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April 26, 2013 6:45pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wow, Pete has not told us what to do today, or how to do it.
Congratulations Pete, you finaly realised that this is Kiwiblog, not a sub blog of NZ Conservative.
Keep up the good work and try not to link whore to your blog. Links are good but not when you piggyback on another blog
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April 26, 2013 6:54pm
nasska

Kea

It had to happen but I didn’t think it would be in my lifetime.

Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/XZpS2PT
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April 26, 2013 7:30pm
publicwatchdog

How is the Government going to get a ‘good price’ for Mighty River Power’?

CALL OFF THE SALE!

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/labour-greens-electricity-policy-halves-publics-mrp-appetite-bd-139218

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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April 26, 2013 7:41pm
Steve (North Shore)

Not so Bright – ask Shearer your clueless mate.
You fucking commies make me sick, get a job woman, and cook some fucking eggs for a worker
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April 26, 2013 7:56pm
Pete George

Steve, you seem to object to what you think is people telling others what to do, why should I take any notice of you trying to tell me what to do?
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April 26, 2013 8:02pm
Kea

Kea

It had to happen but I didn’t think it would be in my lifetime.

nasska – friend- how do you know that bitch was not asking for it ?

She is showing her face all over the internet in a seductive way (hay it worked for me !) it is her husband that I feel for.
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April 26, 2013 8:03pm
Kea

Penny, have you got a man in your life ?
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April 26, 2013 8:04pm
nasska

The Americans and the Japanese decided to engage in a competitive boat race. Both teams practised hard and long to reach their peak performance.

On the big day they felt ready. The Japanese won by a mile. Afterwards, the American team was discouraged by the loss. Morale sagged. Corporate management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, so a consulting firm was hired to investigate the problem and recommended corrective action.

The consultant’s finding: The Japanese team had eight people rowing and one person steering; the American team had one person rowing and eight people steering.

After a year of study and millions spent analysing the problem, the consultant firm concluded that too many people were steering and not enough were rowing on the American team.

So as race day neared again the following year, the American team’s management structure was completely reorganized. The new structure: four steering managers, three area steering managers and a new performance review system for the person rowing the boat to provide work incentive.

The next year, the Japanese won by two miles. Humiliated, the American corporation laid off the rower for poor performance and gave the managers a bonus for discovering the problem.
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April 26, 2013 8:06pm
nasska

….” it is her husband that I feel for.”….

Kea….I think you may have a problem. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:07pm
liarbors a joke

A new drug has been developed for lesbians with depression.

Its called trycoxagain.
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April 26, 2013 8:20pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314595/Member-hacking-group-Anonymous-UK-raped-woman-Occupy-London-campsite-steps-St-Pauls.html

Those occupy people were lovely weren’t they?
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April 26, 2013 8:26pm
graham

If Peter Dunne has a problem with speed cameras, claiming the police have a hidden agenda to make loads of money off them … why didn’t he, as a coalition partner, talk to the police minister?

Come to that, why not just slow down? 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:26pm
Johnboy

“Come to that, why not just slow down? :)”

Scared PG will pass him? 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:32pm
Pete George

Maybe I shouldn’t tempt fate but I haven’t been pinged by a speed camera since 2006, and I pass a permanent post to and from just about everywhere I go.
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April 26, 2013 8:38pm
liarbors a joke

Tom was dying. His wife Becky was by his side.

“Becky” he said in a tired voice.” There’s something I must confess”

“Shhh.” ” There’s nothing to confess..everything is alright”

“No, I must die in peace..I shagged your sister , your best friend , her best friend and your mother!”

“I know ” whispered Becky…”thats why I poisoned you , you p*%#$” !

” Now close your eyes “.
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April 26, 2013 8:38pm
Johnboy

I had a car like that once PG then I got rich enough to buy a fast one! 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:39pm
Kea

Kea….I think you may have a problem.

nasska, my poor lost friend… the soldiers of Allah will open your eyes to the truth. Insha’Allah
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April 26, 2013 8:46pm
liarbors a joke

eww..2 people dont have a sense of humour..hmmm I wonder who they maybe..
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April 26, 2013 8:50pm
Pete George

JB – I Just get used to what speed you need to do in certain places.

But my mother had a car like that, a 52 Prefect. I got my license in it. I got it up to 57mph going slightly downhill downhill once, I think the limit was 55 in those days.
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April 26, 2013 8:53pm
nasska

Unfortunately Kea, I do realise what could be in store If Allah’s lot get a toe hold here. Prayer five times a day, no bacon sandwiches, no skimpily clad chicky babes & hiding under a bridge waiting for passing livestock if you need a root.

Your ancestors were a couple of wank strokes short of an orgasm when they bought into that crap. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 8:56pm
Kea

I do realise what could be in store If Allah’s lot get a toe hold here

1. Hanging out with the guys talking crap and drinking coffee all day.

2. Going home to a delicious dinner every night.

3. No woman drivers.

4. Getting to shoot guns right in town.

5. Americans coming to visit.

6. Ability to immigrate to any European country in the world.

7. Lovely brown eyed brunettes who know how to cook.

I could go on my dear pig eating infidel friend, but I do not wish to make you (more) jealous 🙂
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April 26, 2013 9:09pm
Johnboy

After reading your words oh Kea the wise I shall sell my virtual sheep and buy virtual camels. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 9:18pm
nasska

Get real Kea….lovely brown eyed brunettes with arses six axe handles across. Since they walk around pregnant in tents they have no need to look after themselves.

And the religion….five times a day parked up on a prayer mat smelling the unwashed arse of the freak in front of you. It would be worse than a Kiwiblog thread discussing gay marriage.

It’ll never catch on. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 9:19pm
Pauleastbay

SKY must be disappointed with Justin Marshall as a pundit – you can hardly get a word out of the boy.
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April 26, 2013 9:26pm
Kea

nasska, my dear pig eating god hating alcohol drinking whore chasing dog patting non fasting cartoon drawing friend.

Muslim women are Muslims too and believe in much the same things. You must take personal responsibility. If your wife becomes “six axe handles across” you have clearly fed her too much hummus and failed to provide her with enough work.

Allah (may peace be upon him) has provided this training aid to assist you in your enlightenment.

http://imgur.com/gallery/XZpS2PT
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April 26, 2013 9:27pm
nasska

….”and failed to provide her with enough work.”….

Strangely enough I have mentioned to my nearest & dearest that I may have failings in this respect.

Went over like a lead balloon. 🙂
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April 26, 2013 9:32pm
Manolo

The joy of socialism (Frog style): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2313775/Frances-meltdown-stark-warning-wants-Red-Ed-Miliband-PM.html
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April 27, 2013 6:49am
Kea

Manolo, people are so thick. How many times must it be shown that socialism only works in theory ?

Capitalism is the system proven to raise the living standards of the greatest number of people in the shortest time. Even the bloody communist Chinese have that one figured out now !
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April 27, 2013 6:56am
Manolo

Yes, Kea, I do agree. Long live capitalism!
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April 27, 2013 6:58am
anticorruptionnz

@Elaycee

we re all entitled to out own opinion. I know hundreds if not thousands of people from politicians, long serving police officers ( which I was ) and members of the general business community.

Elaycee your statements say more about you than they say about me.. perhaps you should read my latest blog http://www.civiljustice.co.nz/case-study-abducting-a-child-from-his-family-using-the-family-court/

these are the people I am helping and supporting.. so what do you do other than call l people names and express your own one sided opinion

@kea you are being very vague why do I need any one to vouch for me my reputation is well known as a campaigner for truth and an anti corruption campaigner . If you have any doubts about my credentials then you can research who I am .

I am for the record a whistle-blower on gross public corruption which has been covered up at all angles .

I asked two simple questions in 2006 1 of council .. why is a council manager contracting to himself and deriving a pecuniary gain form this using council premises vehicles and resources

and secondly I asked of MAF why they had given coercive law enforcement powers to an organization which did not exist beyond the man who used the name as a pseudonym for himself who also happened to be the man who wrote the bill and gave advice on it as independent adviser to the select committee. http://www.anticorruption.co.nz/2012/07/16/open-letter-to-attorney-general/

Grace Haden
Licensed Private Investigator
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