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April 25, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 25 April 2013

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nasska

V2

Have a google for “sativa divinorum”. I’ve been told that this is the active ingredient in synthetic cannabis & users can have some fairly nasty reactions.

Of course the logic of legalising normal home grown marijuana which kills no one & would dry up demand for substitutes is a bridge too far for the idiots who rule us.
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April 25, 2013 7:13pm
Kea

nasska, yeah I have had mine hacked off too. Which goes down well with the Muslims. (Now if only they could get me to convert to Islam, let alone being a bloody atheist ! )

I do not condone it but the “trim” is probably no worse than male circumcision and they seem to …. um… function normally, bless them 🙂
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April 25, 2013 7:14pm
Pete George

“legalising normal home grown marijuana”

I personally think we have to seriously consider that (and look at revising all the law around cannabis), but I’ve been told it ain’t gonna happen with a National led government.
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April 25, 2013 7:16pm
Viking2

Ah naaska if only.
Pete, you turkeys were all vigourously warned what would happen BUT you chose to ignore sensible discussion for the idiocy of politics, police and doogodders, all of whom failed to account for basic human nature.
The WAR on drugs has been doomed to failure since it began just as banning alcohol was doomed.
Sensible legislation around the growing and selling and use of cannibis for ones own use would make more sense.
But your mate is so up his own that he thinks (along with others) if a bunch of dickheads in Wellington make a law that will stop humans from doing this stuff. He’s stupid. Mind blowing so.

Get rid of the new rules and start again. 80% of Kiwi’s have or do use dope. Most sensibly.
(and I am not one Just in case you are wondering.)

Like Excasty, a drug which if sensibly controlled did no one any harm.

Instead these have been replaced with others that are worse.

But, until it gets to your house you won’t ever understand it will you.
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April 25, 2013 7:21pm
Kea

Pete, I can imagine the hysteria: Dope smoking polygamous homosexuals running rampant through our cities, marrying everything that moves, including goats, while stoned off their faces 😉
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April 25, 2013 7:22pm
nasska

PG

Unfortunately, so long as your mundane mate Dunne has a vote to sell to the winning team, sensible marijuana law will never be enacted.
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April 25, 2013 7:22pm
kowtow

Male circumcision became very controversial in Germany recently with a court claiming it was assault and others saying it contravened the Constitution that calls for bodily integrity.

Anyway there was no way the Krauts were going to be seen to be nasty to Jews (again).

http://www.dw.de/calls-for-strict-rules-for-circumcision/a-16190327

I’ve heard Rabbis don’t get well paid, but the tips make up for that.
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April 25, 2013 7:25pm
Kea

kowtow, I am against it. I think nature knows best. If some adult wants their foreskin or clit cut off, then I guess that is ok, subject to a wee chat with a shrink.
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April 25, 2013 7:28pm
nasska

Of course the know all idiots pissed out of their trees on alcohol are so full of their own shit they won’t even acknowledge the results of published statistics.

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqxyh329p2lnma2/stats%202.jpg
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April 25, 2013 7:29pm
Viking2

naaska are you implying that our pollies are a bunch of drunks? Well of course they are. Always have been.
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April 25, 2013 7:38pm
Pete George

V2 – before I joined UF I am on record with this:

Kronic could turn out to be a good thing if it draws attention to the ineffectiveness of cannabis laws and the mess of effects of those laws, and if it forces us to review how we deal with cannabis.

I’ve never been a cannabis user, but many people have used it and do use it regularly. There may be questions about the adverse affects of overuse, and particularly on young users. We have that problem now anyway. We have substantial problems with crime associated with the illegal supply and use of cannabis.

I don’t know what we should do to address it. I think this is an issue that should be debated in the community, and decided democratically.

If I’m elected to Dunedin North I will initiate an electorate debate on the cannabis laws, and I will run an electorate poll to determine the position the Dunedin North should represent on cannabis.

This is how Your NZ democracy will work.

http://yournz.org/2011/06/21/kronic-could-be-a-good-thing/

When I joined UF Dunne said he was happy with my stance on this. I’ve run it by him since (including recently in relation to the psychotic substances bill), he doesn’t think it will change on cannabis in the forseeable future.

nasska – National are a far bigger hurdle than Dunne, and I don’t know if Labour will be much better. It will only change if either of those two drive it.
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April 25, 2013 7:38pm
Kea

Of course the know all idiots pissed out of their trees on alcohol are so full of their own shit they won’t even acknowledge the results of published statistics.

To be fair, I feel compelled to mention that resident cannabis enthusiast (Griff) is unable to read the self evident truths about the global non-warming non-crisis we are not facing.
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April 25, 2013 7:41pm
Viking2

One of Australia’s most respected economists, Ross Garnaut, of the University of Melbourne, warns that when the mining boom busts, the economy is likely to bust with it. History is on his side. Since 2005, mining investment has reared up like a tidal wave, from 2 per cent of GDP to more than 8 per cent. If it breaks like a tidal wave, it will swamp the economy.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/farewell-to-good-times-somethings-gotta-give-20130422-2iad7.html#ixzz2RSVCATDP

Yes with conseqences for NZ and note that he says when not if. 2014/15 which I’m sure that Key and Co are actuely aware of.
Worth a read.
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April 25, 2013 7:42pm
Viking2

So perhaps the Aussie banks know something as well.

Getting cashed up now.
Australasia’s big 4 banks expected to post combined 5% rise in half-year cash earnings to A$13.22 billion

Australasia’s big four banks are expected to record a combined A$650 million, or 5%, rise in half-year profit to A$13.22 billion (about NZ$16 billion).

http://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/64134/australasias-big-4-banks-expected-post-combined-5-rise-half-year-cash-earnings-a1322-bil

”The high dollar is weighing on prices,” said Treasurer Wayne Swan. ”And the flipside … is that this is putting immense pressure on the profitability of many businesses.” He said Australia was probably in the grip of deflation.

”Price growth for domestic goods and services, which is a broader group of prices than the consumer price index, has generally been much weaker than the CPI we are seeing today. Quarterly growth in the prices for all goods and services in our economy as measured by the GDP deflator has been negative in four of the past five quarters.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/inflation-fall-rings-treasury-alarm-20130424-2if13.html#ixzz2RSX7skhF

So not looking good and I am meeting people returning home because they cannot get a pension there.
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April 25, 2013 7:46pm
nasska

Yes Kea…..our confused friend does have problems getting his head around the collapse of the AGW theory but I feel that it may have more to do with his mother not checking his bath temperature properly than cannabis use. 🙂
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April 25, 2013 7:48pm
Pete George

V2: “But, until it gets to your house you won’t ever understand it will you.”

I think I understand a bit about it, I’ve seen effects in close family. I had a close involvement after the death of my nephew – I was with my sister when she was given the news, we were just leaving the undertaker after organising our mother’s funeral.

It took almost two years for the police and coroner and ACC to stuff my sister around and then confirm he died accidentally with non lethal levels of alcohol, cannabis and a prescription drug, but the cocktail killed him with the needle still in his arm (I went with my sister to see his body in the morgue).

So don’t make ignorant assumptions.
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April 25, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

PG

If Labour return they will have a large Green contingent on their backs who will want a few immediate law changes to reward their backers. I wouldn’t be surprised if reform of recreational drug laws was one of them.

But what a cost to the country just to iron out something that should never have been criminalised from the outset.

Edit…I naturally regret the death of your nephew but I would be checking out what that needle was delivering before I blamed dope.
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April 25, 2013 7:53pm
Kea

nasska, he has been very quiet recently. I suspect he is bagging up his crop and peddling it to smelly hippies.
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April 25, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

There was a small bakery shop in a town that had a very
attractive female assistant. It became known throughout the town that the pretty woman didn’t like to wear panties under her skirt
while on duty as the sales assistant at the bakery.

Men would come in to the store, all day long to buy a loaf of
raisin bread. When they requested raisin bread, the assistant would have to climb a ladder to reach the bread on a high shelf behind the counter which revealed quite a show for the male customers.

As the day grew longer, the lady became quite exhausted from
climbing the ladder to fetch raisin bread. Just as she was on the
ladder retrieving another loaf of raisin bread for a customer, an
elderly gentleman walked into the bakery to purchase a pie for
his wife so they could celebrate National Pie Day with their
friends and family.

The assistant shouted down to the old man, who was pretending not to be looking up, and asked, “Sir, I’ll bet yours is raisin, too?”

The old gentleman replied,

“No it isn’t, but it is sure startin’ to twitch some.”
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April 25, 2013 8:03pm
Viking2

TAFE staff reeling over Qld IR gambit

by: John Ross
From: The Australian
April 25, 2013 12:00AM

QUEENSLAND TAFE teachers are in “disbelief” over the state government’s plan to erase 48 per cent of their award, expand their hours of attendance by 35 per cent and increase the spread of ‘normal’ work hours by 68 per cent – all for a 2.2 per cent annual pay rise.

Training Minister John-Paul Langbroek said current industrial arrangements made TAFEs 30 per cent less productive than they could be, and the proposed enterprise bargain would make them more competitive.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/tafe-staff-reeling-over-qld-ir-gambit/story-e6frgcjx-1226628716004

hoh ho that’s they way to go.
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April 25, 2013 8:07pm
Johnboy

“Same sex marriage isn’t just for gays. When you’re married, the sex is always the same. ”

― Jarod Kintz
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April 25, 2013 8:10pm
Viking2

Made for dime.

Virgin America launches seat-to-seat delivery service

In an accompanying tongue-in-cheek video, Sir Richard adds: “I’m not a betting man but I’d say your chances of deplaning with a plus-one are at least 50 per cent”.

“Travellers can now send an in-flight cocktail to that friendly stranger in seat 4A and then follow up with a text message … making getting lucky all the easier,”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/virgin-america-launches-seat-to-seat-delivery-service/story-e6frg95x-1226629413499
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April 25, 2013 8:14pm
nasska

Should boost membership of “the Mile High Club V2. 🙂
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April 25, 2013 8:20pm
Steve (North Shore)

At 80 ft Scuba exhausts the tank pretty quick nasska.
Mile high, what about 30M down?
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April 25, 2013 8:35pm
nasska

Breathing hard at 80ft below Steve….tell us more. 🙂
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April 25, 2013 8:38pm
Pete George

Edit…I naturally regret the death of your nephew but I would be checking out what that needle was delivering before I blamed dope.

I’ve seen the details in the coroners report and I’ve discussed it with the coroner. They don’t know why the combined effect was lethal, all they know is that the sublethal individual levels of the three drugs somehow combined to kill him.

That aside – I’d be an active supporter of any attempt to review all our drug laws. The question is – how to do it? I don’t think any party will campaign prominently on it, not even the Greens, they would rather use things like poverty guilt and “poor kids!”.

I think it needs a publicly driven debate and campaign to push the politicians to deal with it. And hope a Member’s Bill gets drawn to do it – but the public campaign would have to be ready to rumble as soon as that happened.

Who would do this?
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April 25, 2013 8:39pm
nasska

…”Who would do this?”…..

Good point. Activist drug reform has always been the preserve of students & hippies largely because of the stigma attached to being condemned by society & potential employers as a no hoping druggie. The NZ Legalise Cannabis Party springs to mind as an example of an incoherent bunch of misfits yet there are some very intelligent people involved in promoting the cause.

It could agree a little with what you suggest but for my money the drive would have to come from an existing political party. The Greens are the only one I can see on the horizon.
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April 25, 2013 9:01pm
Pete George

Yes, I think the Greens would have to be the ones getting it into the ballot. But they would need support across the spectrum from the public.
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April 25, 2013 9:21pm
Manolo

Worth reading: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/library-dedication-will-offer-glimpse-of-tenuous-obama-bush-relationship/2013/04/25/50e753e8-acf5-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70e_print.html
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April 26, 2013 6:16am
UglyTruth

Was Mossad involved in the Boston bombing?

Motive + opportunity + modus operandi = prima facie case ?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/04/islamic_terrorism.html
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April 26, 2013 10:20am
jaba

Andrew Little‏@AndrewLittleMP3m
Great game between Saints and Taranaki Mountain Airs. Pity about the score. 100-89. Next time brothers

BROTHERS?????? .. Andrew Little is starting his next campaign in NP early .. maybe he knows an early election is possible?
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