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Pete George

The cost of the NZ Power announcement is already liley to be in the order of $200m, whether Labour and Greens get a chance tom implement their policies or not.

There is growing analysis of both Immediate and potential costs of NZ Power

At best Labour and Greens have been too focussed on trying to win political points and have not considered the wider ramifications of their proposals.

At worst they are cynically risking possibly billions of dollars to try and advance their political ambitions.
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April 23, 2013 8:05am
meh

Over this week, bring on Thursday..
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April 23, 2013 8:06am
bhudson

PG,

I see Patrick Gower has retweeted comments to the same effect – that the policy is wiping millions of dollars of value off the assets, which give investors a bargain at the expense of the taxpayers receipts for the 49% floated.

Hopefully that indicates that the economic sabotage for politicking angle will be getting some air time.
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April 23, 2013 8:20am
Kea

I posted earlier that Obama is giving $128 million dollars to Islamic rebels in Syria. What I did not know, is that this is a doubling of what he is already giving. He is now donating around $300 million to radical Islamists attempting to over throw the Syrian government.

I am disgusted by this, especially after stumbling onto one of the rebels web sites last night. This is radical Islam at its worst and most violent. Obama is sponsoring this using US tax payer dollars.

I could post links, but I invite those who doubt to spend a few moments googling. You won’t need to go to any crazy conspiracy sites either.
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April 23, 2013 8:37am
Manolo

On the E.U. and Cyprus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM
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April 23, 2013 8:38am
JeffW

Hamnida, before you fire up your vitriol for the day, not sure whether you saw one of my posts from the other day, so thought I would repeat:

“Hamnida, I guess you lived in Korea, but doubt that you are ethnic Korean – migrants generally want to improve themselves, rather than chase a socialist utopia – after all they have one next door to move to if they want. Most NZers in Korea are teachers, are you one? I trust you are not spouting your left wing hatred in our classrooms? Your post early this am on GD was truly awful. If things worked out in practice as the left would like, communism would have been a success. Instead it is capitalism which has improved the lot of mankind, hard though that might be for you to accept. I recommend opening your eyes, with the mind to follow”.

After last week’s policy statement from Red Russell, I feel poorer. This will restrict my spending, so less GST and if others feel the same, there will be less investment and fewer jobs.
I shall be redirecting any investment funds I may build up to Australia, after all if we take Red Russell’s statement at face value that the NZ Power policy is based on principle not on an awful way to blackmail the government of the day into backtracking on one of its election promises, then by definition Russell is almost forced to extent the policy into all areas where he feels prices are too high. It would be a nonsense, therefore, to invest in NZ.
Tell me, Hamnida, how the above makes the lower echelons of society better off?
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April 23, 2013 8:39am
kowtow

Oh look more terrorism from the religion of peace.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/22/pol-terror-plot-ontario-quebec-arrests.html
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April 23, 2013 8:45am
Kea

kowtow, Is Obama giving them money too ?
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April 23, 2013 8:51am
flipper

DEFINING A MAJOR POINT OF DIFFERENCE….

Without realising it, the red melons and labour have provided the centre right (aka National) with an unprecedented opportunity to gazump their power play (pun intended).

Labour and the Greens repeatedly assert their determination to supercharge the ETS – which the Government, based on Treasury analysis, says would add more than $500 to every house hold’s outgoings. This would more than claw back any savings from labour/red melon power price manipulation.

So what is the opportunity?
The whole DAGW/CC scam is dead and buried.

Politicians, worldwide, are now casting around for opportunities to abolish or retreat from their ETS/Carbon/other DAGW/CC taxes, to promote economic resurgence.

In NZ, the Government has placed the ETS at the edge of the grave.

It can now, without any apology, kick the corpse down six feet, and thereby wipe off more than $750 – 1000 of ETS costs per household…with the only downside being forestry tax credit adjustments and less tax revenue. That will be immeasurably more attractive than the two birds in the bush offered by the melons and labour……plus the threat of their silly ETS will be side lined.

The elimination of those idiotic taxes on electricity, gas, coal, petrol, and diesel would dramatically alter the political landscape.

The Peters party can be thrown a bone with a Super Gold card electricity price discount (not more than 5 % ) to mollify Grey Power.

There will be screams from the DAGW/CC academic , NGO, green and departmental troughers, but that is the way of the world in 2013.

So … .. Messrs, Key, Joyce, English and Wayne Eagleson (plus Text/Cros) DO IT……NOW! 
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April 23, 2013 9:14am
hj

Isn’t capitalism in crisis JeffW?
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April 23, 2013 9:14am
alloytoo

Out of curiosity has anybody drawn up a list of the places (Countries) where Labour/Greens power policy supposedly works, and drawn up a comprehensive rebuttal.

EG:

South Africa – Primarily Thermal (Coal), followed by nuclear generation, almost two decades of stagnant capacity growth and infrastructure neclect, followed by large price increases to build additional coal powered capacity.

States in America – Low prices due to fracking and nuclear capacity.

South Korea – …
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April 23, 2013 9:15am
All_on_Red

JeffW
Very true. Here are some excerpts from a speech by Murdoch recently. He shows how we should fight people like Ham.

“We have not persuaded people that the market does better because it is more moral — or that socialism fails because it is largely immoral in its denial of fundamental freedoms.
To the contrary, too many people think that the market succeeds because it is based on a vice — greed — and that socialism is better because it is based on a virtue — sharing.
Naturally they conclude from this that the way to make capitalism more just and more humane is to temper it by injecting a large dollop of government-mandated sharing, or worse, like President Obama, that government is always better.
We see this contradiction everywhere. And to be fair, it’s not just those on the left side of the political aisle.
Here’s another example. ln Britain, David Cameron gave a speech in which he rightly defended the market as moral. But then he went on to say how he would improve its fairness — by having his government issue guidelines on executive pay, with legislation to follow if necessary.
The same is true here.
How often have you elected political leaders to fight against some horrible regulation or tax, only to watch as they basically agree to a watered down version of what their opponents are arguing?
Placating a nation is not leading a nation.
So long as we allow the debate to be framed by people who think the market is efficient because it is based on a human failing, we are going to lose every argument.
The only way to uphold market freedom is to show people that the market doesn’t succeed because of greed. In fact, it’s just the opposite.
The market succeeds because it gives people incentives to put their own wants and needs aside to address the wants and needs of others. To succeed, you have to produce something that other people are willing to pay for.”

We all need to join together this Election and expose the Greens and Labour for what they are and why they are wrong.
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April 23, 2013 9:16am
hj

Richard Hienberg:

The ideological clash between Keynesians and neoliberals (represented to a certain degree in the escalating all-out warfare between the U.S. Democratic and Republican political parties) will no doubt continue and even intensify. But the ensuing heat of battle will yield little light if both philosophies conceal the same fundamental errors. One such error is of course the belief that economies can and should perpetually grow.

But that error rests on another that is deeper and subtler. The subsuming of land within the category of capital by nearly all post-classical economists had amounted to a declaration that Nature is merely a subset of the human economy money or technology. The reality, of course, is that the human economy exists within, and entirely depends upon Nature, and many natural resources have no realistic substitutes. This fundamental logical and philosophical mistake, embedded at the very heart of modern mainstream economic philosophies, set society directly upon a course toward the current era of climate change and resource depletion, and its persistence makes conventional economic theories utterly incapable of dealing with the economic and environmental survival threats to civilization in the 21st century.”

http://richardheinberg.com/221-economics-for-the-hurried
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April 23, 2013 9:16am
Wayne91

The Labour party – who for years have been trying to paint John Key as at best being economical with the truth are now expecting us to believe that the timing of thier communist power policy wasn’t for the purpose of undermining the Mighty River Power share float.

There arel liars and hypocitics

And to also say they are not being led by the greens on this – more lies
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April 23, 2013 9:16am
Pete George

bhudson – I’ve noticed that a number of journalists are very skeptical of the Labour and Green motives and the sense of their policies. I don’t think they will get an easy run in the media on this – fortunately.
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April 23, 2013 9:20am
Manolo

Amazing how the communist Luddites, the brain behind NZ Power, are letting socialist Labour take all the heat on this issue.
Captain Mumblefuck Shearer and co. have been conned by the nutters.
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April 23, 2013 9:21am
JeffW

HJ at 9:14

If there is a crisis in world economics it is because capitalism is not being allowed to operate. Everywhere it is hemmed in by regulation and tax. Central banks are printing money and lowering interest rates so that government can continue to waste money. It is government spending which is the crisis. Note that I do not include crony capitalism in my definition of how free markets should operate.
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April 23, 2013 9:27am
pollywog

Ditch the Emission Trading Scheme ?

sounds good to me!
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April 23, 2013 9:28am
hj

alloytoo (128) Says:
April 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

Out of curiosity has anybody drawn up a list of the places (Countries) where Labour/Greens power policy supposedly works, and drawn up a comprehensive rebuttal.
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didn’t it work well in NZ prior to Max Bradford’s reforms?
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April 23, 2013 9:31am
hj

JeffW

“If there is a crisis in world economics it is because capitalism is not being allowed to operate. Everywhere it is hemmed in by regulation and tax.”

that an argument for high house prices: town planning, however cars use resources, consume oil, produce C02 and sprawl goes beyond any desirable human scale community, which demonstrates Heinbergs point (above) about the human economy being a subset of the earths ecology.
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April 23, 2013 9:37am
NeutralObserver

My 12 year old daughter, who is interested in languages, asked me if the greek origin for the word Politics was from : ‘Poli’ = many and ‘tics’ = blood sucking parasites. Whilst I have heard this comparison before I thought coming from a 12 year old was noteworthy…
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April 23, 2013 9:37am
hj

as for tax today we have a preponderance of rentier capitalists who have floated to dizzy heights on asset inflation opposed to any move which redistributes their ill gotten gains (e.g land taxes).
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April 23, 2013 9:41am
All_on_Red

“Note that I do not include crony capitalism in my definition of how free markets should operate.”

There is no “crony capitalism”. If its cronyism it is not capitalism. The two should not be conflated.
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April 23, 2013 9:43am
JeffW

And which entity created inflation through its deficit spending? Yes, you are right, government did. At lower levels, it is central banks which are presently providing the conditions for financial asset inflation, and town planners who are creating conditions for house price inflation.
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April 23, 2013 9:44am
hj

Do we have to assume C02 is not a greenhouse gas to affirm the view that capitalism isn’t in crisis it just isn’t being practiced in it’s pure form?
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April 23, 2013 9:45am
kowtow

Neutral observer,
Very good ,however could I remark that:

Tics won’t suck their host dry.Politicians will.
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April 23, 2013 9:48am
All_on_Red

hj,
Specious argument. The Planets sensitivity to CO2 is now being proven to be far less than that promulgated.
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April 23, 2013 9:49am
hj

And which entity created inflation through its deficit spending? Yes, you are right, government did.
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the Savings Working Group also blamed high waves of immigration….. politics and vested interests.

also as Winston Churchill pointed out land values rise because of public spending on lighting, roads, sewerpipes…
http://www.labourland.org/downloads/papers/McLean.pdf
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April 23, 2013 9:49am
hj

All_on_Red

Do we have to assume “The Planets sensitivity to CO2 is now being proven to be far less than that promulgated” to affirm the view that capitalism isn’t in crisis it just isn’t being practiced in it’s pure form?
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April 23, 2013 9:52am
All_on_Red

hj,
What?
What do you think “capitalisms” pure form is?
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April 23, 2013 9:56am
Kea

hj, there are plenty of places that are embracing a less materialistic approach to life. They are not influenced by big business and the banks. They are close to nature and emit very little CO2. You will find them clustered around Central Africa.

Go there and live the dream.
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April 23, 2013 9:57am
bhudson

@NeutralObserver,

That reminds me of a comment John Key made to some school children at Te Papa early in his first term as PM. It went something like:

“Whats the difference between an Orange Roughy and a politician? One’s a scum-sucking bottom dweller and the other’s a fish.”
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April 23, 2013 10:22am
Fletch

I posted earlier that Obama is giving $128 million dollars to Islamic rebels in Syria. What I did not know, is that this is a doubling of what he is already giving. He is now donating around $300 million to radical Islamists attempting to over throw the Syrian government.

Kea, that’s not all. According to reports, Obama has also shipped 140,000 cannisters of teargas to Egypt (effectively, the Muslim Brotherhood).

A shipment of teargas canisters from the United States arrived at the Egyptian Abadeya Port in Suez on Sunday, according to official documents obtained by the Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper.

Five containers carrying around 140,000 teargas canisters were apparently shipped to the Egyptian Interior Ministry by the Aramex International courier service.

The Egypt Independent reports that the shipping documents state that only the Egyptian government may use the canisters, and that they are forbidden to re-export the shipment or sell it to third parties.

The documents state that the shipment set sail from the port of Wilmington in Pennsylvania on 14 March on board the SS Jamestown. A letter of credit was forwarded without specifying the name of the bank. The Egyptian government paid the freight fees.

In February this year, Al-Masry Al-Youm reported that the Interior Ministry agreed to import teargas canisters for $2.46 million, to be shipped by an Egyptian military cargo plane.

Interior Ministry spokesperson Hani Abdel Latif said that the ministry imported the grenades in order to protect state facilities.

Egyptian authorities have recently used teargas against various demonstrations, including a recent crackdown on protests on Saturday, when demonstrators threw fireworks and reportedly attempted to gain access to a court and the prosecutor-general’s office in central Cairo.

The guy seems intent on weakening the security of the U.S and aiding its enemies. He should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail, accompanied by jeering crowds.
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April 23, 2013 10:42am
Kea

Fletch , at first I thought Obama was a light weight. Then I thought he was no better than Bush. Now I think he is one of the most dangerous men, in power, on the planet. America has never been more hated and been involved in so much conflict. It is disgusting he was given a Nobel peace prize.
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April 23, 2013 10:49am
Fletch

More on Glenn Beck’s story. Since the govt didn’t come forward with any more info on the detained Saudi, Beck has released more. He has documentation that has also been shared with some Congressmen that the Saudi was given a ‘212 3B’ designation in America, which means he is known for proven terrorist activity. He was also on a terror watchlist. The guy really should have been interrogated and thrown in Gitmo with his cousins, but instead after meetings with Obama, Kerry, and the Saudi foreign minister the Saudi was set to be deported Tuesday; then he wasn’t; then he was; then he wasn’t. Who knows if he is still in the country at all now.

* A Saudi national originally identified as a “person of interest” in the Boston Marathon bombing was set to be deported under section 212 3B — “Security and related grounds” — “Terrorist activities” after the bombing
* As the story gained traction, TheBlaze’s Chief Content Officer Joel Cheatwood received word that the government may not deport the Saudi national, originally identified as Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi
* Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano refused to answer questions on the subject when confronted by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) on Capitol Hill.
* An ICE official said a different Saudi national is in custody, but is “in no way” connected to the bombings.
* A congressional source, however, says that the file on Alharbi was created, that he was “linked” in some way to the Boston bombings (though it is unclear how), and that documents showing all this have been sent to Congress.
* Key congressmen of the Committee on Homeland Security request a classified briefing with Napolitano
* Fox News’ Todd Starnes reports that Alharbi was allegedly flagged on a terrorist watch list and granted a student visa without being properly vetted. Sources close to the investigation also told him the Saudi is still set for deportation.
* New information provided to TheBlaze reveals Alharbi’s file was altered early Wednesday evening to disassociate him from the initial charges
* Sources say the Saudi’s student visa specifically allows him to go to school in Findlay, Ohio, though he appears to have an apartment in Boston, Massachusetts
* Sources tell us this will most likely now be kicked from the DHS to the DOJ and labeled an ongoing investigation that can no longer be discussed.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/

Watch the video there for more info.
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April 23, 2013 11:02am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?

http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2013/04/23/gordon-campbell-on-lurching-towards-the-centre-on-power-prices/

Countering the failed Rogernomic$ right-wing market maniacs……

Remember – follow the money!

NZ Prime Minister John Key was a Wall St bank$ter (former head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch, and a Foreign Exchange advisor for the New York Federal Reserve).

John Key still holds shares in the Bank of America.

NZ Prime Minister John Key is putting his mouth where his money is.

Looking after investors – not the NZ public majority, many of whom are really struggling to pay their power bills.

Remember!

It was the collapse of the unregulated derivatives market – which arguably NZ Prime Minister John Key helped to set up – that has caused the current global financial meltdown.

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation campaigner’

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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April 23, 2013 11:04am
kowtow

Yes fletch and that Obama aid is being used to kill and oppress the indigenous Christian minority in Egypt.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coptic-christians-under-siege-as-mob-attacks-cairo-cathedral-8563600.html
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April 23, 2013 11:09am
RightNow

Good moaning Penny!

Seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1WcxRaMmIM
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April 23, 2013 11:13am
Kea

Fletch, Saudi Arabia is the biggest financier of radical Islam in the world (second is Obama’s USA). Why pick on that guy alone ? If the Saudi planner and the Saudi hijackers of 911 were not enough, then a couple of pressure cookers are unlikely to see much change.
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April 23, 2013 11:16am
All_on_Red

Follow the money indeed Penny. We look forward to your expose on how the Greens are going to prop up their investments in Windflow Technology by causing power prices to rise hugely as they subsidise renewables.
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April 23, 2013 11:18am
alloytoo

HJ……………………………
didn’t it work well in NZ prior to Max Bradford’s reforms?

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Oh like SA, poor investment in capacity, no maintenance and no peak capacity provision.
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April 23, 2013 11:36am
alloytoo

Penny dearest

The markets worked perfectly during the GFC.
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April 23, 2013 11:38am
Kea

Good article this : http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/job-cuts-have-you-been-affected/8581790/Job-cuts-Can-t-afford-to-keep-working

“To find work I need to live in a town where I can’t afford to own a house. I could buy a house in a low employment town and afford the mortgage on the dole easier than I afford my rent now while working. “
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April 23, 2013 12:10pm
edhunter

I can handle Penny’s posts I just dont read them, amazing our easy it is to just scroll right past them, what’s not so easy is avoiding all the damn replies she garners.
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April 23, 2013 12:35pm
Manolo

Yes, even today the gross shit Miss Dim writes elicits some replies.
She’s ought to be ignored at all times.
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April 23, 2013 12:40pm
Paulus

Somebody in the inside suggested to me that meetings, in the quiet of the evening, have taken place in Aro Valley, where Russel Norman lives with Grant Robertson ?

It is also suggested that there is a carve up strategy and position promises going on for after the election in view of the combined %es.

Opinion Polls suggest that whilst Labours and Greens %es may be on the rise the current Labour leader’s share is not, and does not appear to have chance of moving upwards any time soon.

That is probably that others in the Parliamentary Buildings are working towards a change of leadership (and have been for many months) – say August/ September as the current leaders %es do not move anywhere.
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April 23, 2013 1:27pm
Elaycee

Ahoy Penny,

They’re playing your song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THwnQg-vEw
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April 23, 2013 1:40pm
stigie

All_ On_ Red says

Follow the money indeed Penny. We look forward to your expose on how the Greens are going to prop up their investments in Windflow Technology by causing power prices to rise hugely as they subsidise renewables.

Wont worry Penny AOR, she just wont pay her power bill !!
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April 23, 2013 2:04pm
Kea

What was the little freak out killing people for when he had this little honey at home !!

The Wife: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8586245/The-all-American-girl-and-the-bomber
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April 23, 2013 2:22pm
cha

Felchers mate is all class today.

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/326505362087882752

edit: looks like they were bumbling amateurs too

https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/326394540296638465

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/eleven-most-mystifying-things-tsarnaev-brothers-did
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April 23, 2013 2:35pm
pollywog

Brighter future…YEAH RIGHT!

Job cuts: Can’t afford to keep working

I’m working full time, but I’m wondering if I’d be better off unemployed.

It’s not because my employer is bad, but because the environment created by our government leaves very little benefit to working in exchange for the 40-plus hours it consumes every week.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/job-cuts-have-you-been-affected/8581790/Job-cuts-Can-t-afford-to-keep-working
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April 23, 2013 2:49pm
pollywog

A glimmer of a brighter future ?

hah…almost had me there for a sec!

ANZ to lend $500m to start-ups

The start-up package was designed to make it easier and faster for those with viable business plans to secure funding, but existing loan arrangements would remain unchanged.

This included those looking for a loan still needing to do things such as use their home as security.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/8585886/ANZ-to-lend-500m-to-start-ups

Young people need not apply fro obvious reasons. Older people would rather buy a second home.
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April 23, 2013 2:56pm
pollywog

Our glorious past!

Victim called ‘black bastard’, court hears

A man charged over the cold-case killing of Turangi man Rodney Tahu admits he pulled the trigger, but did not intend to kill him…

Hallett walked up to him, stood over him and fired a shot, almost directly between the eyes, penetrating his left eye.

Menzies Reginald John Hallett, 72, is on trial in the Rotorua High Court charged with murdering Tahu on August 16, 1979.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8585999/Victim-called-black-bastard-court-hears

seems he only meant to shoot him in the head from close range and wound him…hmmmkay
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April 23, 2013 3:02pm
Kea

pollywog (1,044) Says:

April 23rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Our glorious past!

Victim called ‘black bastard’, court hears

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No it is not past. We still you that. 😉
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April 23, 2013 3:06pm
pollywog

Gotta love them ol diggers calling a spade a spade eh 🙂
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April 23, 2013 3:10pm
Lance

@pollywog
I agree with you for a change.
I know from (business + innovation) experience that all banks are the same, they will give you an umbrella when it’s fine and take it away when it’s raining. They have ratio’s and nothing else matters, and those ratio’s are the same for all banks.

Anything else they say is blather.
It’s annoying that they represent themselves each as being special or more attuned to your needs, but they aren’t.

So as long as anyone setting out on a great business venture realizes this, they will be better off.
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April 23, 2013 3:10pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4899020/Barmy-ruling-leaves-teachers-seeing-red.html

A SCHOOL head has banned teachers marking homework in red ink — in case it upsets pupils.

Staff were told to use a different colour for corrections.

A shocked teacher at the unnamed school in Harrow, North London, told her MP Bob Blackman about the head’s ruling.

Mr Blackman said: “It is all about not wanting to discourage youngsters if their work is wrong.

Nothing more to be said really.
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April 23, 2013 4:40pm
Wayne91

Lock him up and throw away the key – better still leave a short rope and in the room with him and turn off all security cameras

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8586976/Jades-killer-has-killed-before
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April 23, 2013 4:49pm
Nookin

No wonder this guy didn’t act as though he had killed someone. He had previous experience.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8586976/Jades-killer-has-killed-before
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April 23, 2013 4:49pm
Elaycee

UNBELIEVABLE!

Like others here, I’m appalled to read that the piece of shit who murdered the 13 yr old lass in Christchurch, had killed before.

This arsewipe should never have been released after the first killing…. But no….. he was released and has killed again.

I wonder how the advocates who wanted him returned to society, feel now?

What a bloody disgrace.
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April 23, 2013 4:55pm
Nookin

Wayne91

Snap. You aren’t my alter ego are you?
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April 23, 2013 5:05pm
nasska

Elaycee

…”I wonder how the advocates who wanted him returned to society, feel now? “…..

It will not phase them…..they’ll continue hassling Garth McVicar & the SST because deep down in their tummies they know that killers are nice people who just weren’t breast fed or rehabilitated properly.
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April 23, 2013 5:10pm
Pauleastbay

nasska

Not defending this guy at all, but it was an Aussie court that sentenced him and then deported him. We do the same here all the time, make em do a couple of years and then piss them off home so we don’t have to pay for them in our boobs.
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April 23, 2013 5:14pm
Pete George

The Civilian has posted “The following is a legal notice issued to The Civilian by Chapman Tripp on behalf of Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig.”

Colin seems to be unhappy with:

Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig was among the first to point out the National MP’s mistake.

“Williamson likes to talk about big gay rainbows,” said Craig, “but it would help if he understood what the rainbow actually means. After Noah’s flood, God painted a giant rainbow across the sky, which was a message that he would never again flood the world, unless we made him very angry. And we have.”

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/chapman-tripp-legal-notice-23-april-2013/

Conservatives mustn’t do satire.

The offending post: http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/maurice-williamson-looking-pretty-stupid-after-floods/
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April 23, 2013 5:16pm
Elaycee

@nasska – the arsewipe in question was sentenced to 12 yrs (FFS!) in Perth for his first killing (he smashed a 14 year old kid with a cricket bat and his partner in crime then ran him over). The case prompted outrage in WA – complete with requests for the Law to be changed (because he was found guilty of manslaughter rather than murder). But he served only 6 years and was released / deported to NZ in 2001.

So he served 6 years. For killing a 14 year old boy. And now this piece of shit has killed again…..
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April 23, 2013 5:22pm
Kea

“How Boston has changed the language
In the last 48 hours, an astounding change has occurred in the lexicon of the mainstream media in the United States, as Chechen Islamists are no longer being referred to as “rebels” and “freedom fighters”.

http://rt.com/op-edge/chechen-terror-media-draitser-153/

Sobering when you consider Obama had just announced a doubling of funding to the radical Islamists attacking Syria, also described as rebels and freedom fighters
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April 23, 2013 5:27pm
nasska

Anything to save a buck seems to be the motto Paul….both sides of the Tasman. What our servants turned masters in Government will not realise is that many net taxpayers consider that the portion of our taxes used to keep arseholes like this off the street is money well spent.
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April 23, 2013 5:30pm
Pauleastbay

nasska

No argument here.
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April 23, 2013 5:32pm
Andrei

If the nico-fascists are having conniptions over wizards puffing on pipes in “The hobbit” can you imagine what this film sequence would do to their tiny minds?

http://youtu.be/_HZ1rHIO1BA
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April 23, 2013 6:05pm
nasska

Russell Norman at a recent press conference. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3j9dh3yw54osdy0/Greens.jpg
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April 23, 2013 7:16pm
RF

i get really pissed off with the envy that slithers from the left. To them the state owes them a living unless you are a Labour MP with overseas bank accounts. if you appear better off they want a slice of the action for doing nothing.

i had a good job in the Public Service and went out on my own starting up my own company working from home. Its been hard and i have worked long hours for initially little reward. Now I can afford to enjoy life and slow down. But hey according to the left I am a so called rich prick and I should share my wealth with the useless pricks who are unable to get off their fat arses. Fuck them.
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April 23, 2013 7:36pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Elaycee;

‘I wonder how the advocates who wanted him returned to society, feel now?

What a bloody disgrace’

What advocates are you talking about?
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April 23, 2013 7:40pm
nasska

Probably not so a problem with those who are unable to work RF. The ones who really get up my date are those who will not work…..I include in those ranks arseholes who will not relocate, retrain or keep themselves in an employable state.
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April 23, 2013 7:43pm
Nostalgia-NZ

RF so you’re a ‘rich prick’ but you still can’t enjoy yourself because of what you believe other people think…odd.
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April 23, 2013 7:56pm
nasska

A young bloke invites a chick around to his place one night.

As she slid her hand up his leg and unzipped his trousers he said, “Before we go any further there’s something you should really know about my penis.”

“What? Is it big? Is it small?” she asked in anticipation.

“No,” he replied. “You’ve just fucking jammed it in my fly.”
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April 23, 2013 8:00pm
bereal

Voter fraud is an crime you never used to hear of in New Zealand.
(just wasn’t done)

Seems it was imported here by immigrants.
i consider it a serious offense. (am i the only one ?)

Anyone up to speed with the current situation regarding Daljit Singh ?

You remember Daljit, South Auckland, sikh, self promoter, labour shill, real estate agent,

Whatever happened to the case against Daljit Singh ?
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April 23, 2013 8:09pm
Reid

This might appeal to a few:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YH_nA2tD78

A few mins we hard on the morning after he was elected he got around 200 New Liarbore out with flags to line Downing St as he strode in.

They never stop [lying], do they. No wonder Hulun likes him so much.
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April 23, 2013 8:11pm
bereal

And just for the record, i am against the term,”Raghead”
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April 23, 2013 8:17pm
Pauleastbay

Just found out my Sky subscription is going up $0.91 per month.

Come on Dave & Russell, what can you do for me? I want to save a few quid but will make no sacrifices. In fact I may start smoking and drinking again if this will help me become your constituency.
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April 23, 2013 8:18pm
mikenmild

Ideally one state-owned company would buy or make all the TV programmes and sell them at a ‘fair’ price to individual broadcasters.
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April 23, 2013 8:46pm
nasska

….”Ideally one state-owned company would buy or make all the TV programmes”…..

Applications for positions at the new company should be made in the first instance to The Commissar for Re-education of the Peasantry of the Glorious Peoples Republic of Aotearoa. 🙂
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April 23, 2013 8:52pm
tristanb

So he served 6 years. For killing a 14 year old boy. And now this piece of shit has killed again…..

Don’t worry. He can only kill two more children, then he’ll be locked up for good under three strikes. (Unless he kills multiple children at the one time and it’s counted as a concurrent offence.)
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April 23, 2013 8:55pm
Pete George

Ideally one state-owned company would buy or make all the mobile phone time and sell at a ‘fair’ price to individuals?
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April 23, 2013 8:57pm
mikenmild

That’s the idea.
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April 23, 2013 9:02pm
pollywog

Applications for positions at the new company should be made in the first instance to The Commissar for Re-education of the Peasantry of the Glorious Peoples Republic of Aotearoa.

You’re just makin shit up eh ?
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April 23, 2013 9:19pm
mikenmild

No, it’s all terrifyingly true.
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April 23, 2013 9:20pm
RF

Nostalga-NZ 7.56pm

i wish. just comfortable so i can pay my tax. i just tire of the bleating me me me i want more. I once had a run in with a Labour MP who accused me of not distributing my so called … in his eyes excess funds .. amongst the needy. The needy who shoot off to the hotel to drink and gamble as soon as they have spare dosh. no problem with that if its their hard earned cash but usually its a hand out that should be for the family. as i said before.. fuck them. if it was xmas i would be saying Bah humbug.
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April 23, 2013 9:23pm
slijmbal

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879256

I know the idea of treating each act in isolation is one of the tenets of our legal system – but knowing someone has killed before is surely relevant in a murder trial.
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April 23, 2013 9:39pm
Nostalgia-NZ

RF

Good on you for working for yourself. People who work hard should get ahead though it’s not always the case.
I think you might find the work ethic is distributed right through our society, and for those whom it isn’t, they have the equal opportunity to do the same – work hard, no exclusion clause from that.
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April 23, 2013 9:41pm
Nostalgia-NZ

slijmbal

So even when our legal system works, you still want to complain.
I’m wondering how the system working, as it should in this situation, is going to be legitimately criticised. You haven’t done it.
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April 23, 2013 9:45pm
slijmbal

@Nostalia – The point I am making is the deliberate exclusion of previous acts that show a potential predisposition because they resulted in conviction.

Ironically, if these acts had not resulted in conviction they are probably easier to include in any prosecution.

“So even when our legal system works, you still want to complain.”

where do you get that from? An entire single case that utterly represents our legal system – yes I will complain. The system likely worked despite some of its failings. I agree that the case needs to be based on the facts but it is a fact if someone has previously performed similar crimes then they have shown a capability of such crimes.
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April 23, 2013 9:55pm
Pete George

A few Kiwibloggers will feel at home here: The Conspiracy Theory Flowchart “THEY” Don’t Want You To See

If you’re new to the exciting world of conspiracy theories and just can’t decide which paranoid delusion best suits you, then why not use this handy flowchart to find your ideal conspiracy theory. Then you too can go and stick it to THE MAN.
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April 23, 2013 10:10pm
chris

Colin Craig doesn’t understand satire http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/chapman-tripp-legal-notice-23-april-2013/re-chapman-tripp-legal-notice-23-april-2013/ What a dick.
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April 23, 2013 10:25pm
UglyTruth

For Pete George

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JammiXeeWuU
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April 23, 2013 11:13pm
bereal

How does it benefit a ho to couch dere language like sorta if dey
cam from da south side ?

How does that advance your argument pollywog ?

eh ?

Moron.
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April 24, 2013 12:16am
SPC

Oz looks to how to manage more difficult economic times ahead.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/farewell-to-good-times-somethings-gotta-give-20130422-2iad7.html

A decade of budget deficits looms for Oz. This should mean their cash rate should hold up and thus their dollar will remain strong compared to ours, this is good for those exporting to Oz.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/huge-deficits-loom-20130421-2i8je.html
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