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UglyTruth

Because we all know there is no way in hell a follower of the ‘Religion of Peace’ could be responsible for a bombing…

You sure are fond of those straw man arguments, Longknives.
Blind faith in the western system is a wonderful thing, eh?
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April 20, 2013 11:08am
ex-golfer

FOX News is reporting “the suspect is down” – as advised by a reliable State police source.
Will this be as reliable as the early release of two suspects names/photos that turned out to be completely false?
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April 20, 2013 11:09am
Kea

Probably best to just shut-up about your “when will the US bomb Russia” thing, eh? What you thought was a clever analogy turns out to be just you being a dick.

Chechenia, sometimes referred to as Ichkeria (English: Land of Minerals), is a federal subject (a republic) of Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

I do not expect an apology, I already know who the cowards are.
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April 20, 2013 11:14am
stigie

Liarbore and the Gweens will be just fine in government until
they run out of other peoples money !!
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April 20, 2013 11:17am
Changeiscoming

There has been a lot of talk about printing money or QE over the last several months. I have some questions about the actual process

1- Do “they” actually print more money?
2- if the answer to 1 is yes – how do they get the cash into the economy? I am making the assumption, the cash comes off the printing press and sits on pallets somewhere in some warehouse (reserve bank) and someone doesn’t take handfuls and runs up to the roof and throws it over the side.
2a – Do they load it up on the back of truck and drive it around to the bank the Government banks with (westpac I think) and makes a deposit in the general fund account?

I am picking the answer to 1 is that they don’t print more money at all but it is all done electronically eg the reserve bank makes a digital deposit into the Govts westpac account.

Thanks in advance.
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April 20, 2013 11:18am
Andrei

LOL Kea;
These boys were born in Kyrgyzstan and have never lived in Chechnya, and have lived in the USA most of their lives.

It also appears that Russia pointed out the older one to the FBI over two years ago and the FBI dropped the ball.
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April 20, 2013 11:24am
Kea

Hay Wat, are you aware that Russia also claimed Afghanistan was part of Russia ?

When you abused me, and claimed a Russian state was not Russian, were you:

1. Lying

2. Pig ignorant ?

3. An ignorant liar ?
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April 20, 2013 11:27am
Pete George

The Nation confirmed what was fairly obvious about Labour and Green motives on their NZ Power play, Parker and Hughes revealed as much with what they didn’t answer as what they said.

This is politics at it’s self interested worst.

I’m slightly surprised that Labour would stoop to this level. Power at any cost seems to have overwhelmed their care for the interests of the country.

I’m very surprised that Greens climbed on board Labour’s hit job, they usually pride themselves on being a very principled party, this shows them up as no better than the worst.

The Nation clarifies NZ Power play – it was dirty
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April 20, 2013 11:27am
Kea

“These boys were born in Kyrgyzstan and have never lived in Chechnya, and have lived in the USA most of their lives.”

So we better bomb and invade the USA then I guess.
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April 20, 2013 11:29am
Reid

Changeiscoming, see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f9aJRQyDyg
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April 20, 2013 11:29am
joana

Do any of you see ”Voice of Islam?” Why is this programe allowed to promote Sheik Feiz Mohammed’s views in NZ? This is a matter of national security.
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April 20, 2013 11:33am
Kea

The people behind 911 trained in the USA. They (the Americans) taught them to fly. Not the fucking Afghans !

“The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. Others were from Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

So some Saudi guys, led and financed by a Saudi, trained in the USA, and they invaded Afghanistan !!!! While being best mates with Saudi Arabia. Fuck me .
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April 20, 2013 11:35am
Pete George

It also appears that Russia pointed out the older one to the FBI over two years ago and the FBI dropped the ball.

Presumably they had nothing solid to go on at the time, and can’t juggle all the potential balls that are thrown their way.
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April 20, 2013 11:36am
Changeiscoming

Thanks Reid

But I was focusing on wanting to know the actual phyiscal process not the theoritical implications.
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April 20, 2013 11:38am
Harriet

“….No Kea has not. But 911 was not an attack by a country. It was by an international group….”

“….The core of that group is in places like London…”

Force is meet with force. Act like a military and you will be treated as such. Look up youtube and the Al Quada training camps that were in afganistan. And that’s also where a fair proportion of UK based ‘radicals’ have actually been.

And now they radicalise those muslim UK residents who can’t go.

“….The UK has far more dangerous radical Muslims, that is where they should be hunted….”

FFS Kea – MI5 and 6 are doing that!

Or would you prefer the army to knock on doors in London?
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April 20, 2013 11:40am
Reid

The Nation confirmed what was fairly obvious about Labour and Green motives on their NZ Power play, Parker and Hughes revealed as much with what they didn’t answer as what they said.

Pete thank you very much for putting that post in your link together. It outlines the evidence to date very well, highly recommend the link to those interested in this unfolding calamity for Liarbore.

I’m finding it very funny. It’s going to be a debacle of Biblical proportion. The economic naivity inherent in this policy lies naked just below the surface, it’s that bad. Therefore even the thickest economic commentator is likely to pick up on it. They’re going to be excoriated across the board for their child-like foolishness. I can’t wait.

I was focusing on wanting to know the actual phyiscal process not the theoritical implications.

One of the sidebar links has what you want – about five down.
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April 20, 2013 11:40am
Griff

Printing money is colloquial for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
Quantitative easing (QE) is an unconventional monetary policy used by central banks to stimulate the national economy when standard monetary policy has become ineffective.[1][2] A central bank implements quantitative easing by buying financial assets from commercial banks and other private institutions, thus creating money and injecting a pre-determined quantity of money into the economy. This is distinguished from the more usual policy of buying or selling government bonds to change money supply, in order to keep market interest rates at a specified target value.[3][4][5][6]
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April 20, 2013 11:41am
Kea

Based on the logic I have seen this morning:

1. America has harbored and trained Muslim terrorists.

2. The government has clearly failed to stop them.

3. There are those sympathetic to radical Islam in the US.

The coalition forces should bomb the US and send in ground troops. There is simply no other way.
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April 20, 2013 11:42am
Andrei

LOL Kea – in case you haven’t noticed the Americans have confined a whole city of a million people to their homes and have thousands of heavily armed men on the streets, ground troops, if you will.
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April 20, 2013 11:45am
Harriet

“….So some Saudi guys, led and financed by a Saudi, trained in the USA, and they invaded Afghanistan !!!! While being best mates with Saudi Arabia. Fuck me ….”

OK then Kea!

If there’s fucking nothing that is dangerous in Afganistan – then why the fuck were 150,000 soldiers from 20 odd fucken countries there?

And what killed all the dead US Aus Kiwi soldiers over ONE ENTIRE FUCKEN DECADE?

And who is it that KILLS the soldiers from the AFGAN DEFENCE FORCE -you know- the ones that the Aus SAS has trained?
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April 20, 2013 11:46am
Pete George

Kea, you make a good point but you’re not being consistent.

The US didn’t bomb the country of origin of the 9/11 terrorists. But Alaska might do as a retaliation target for this one, they can see Russia from there.
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April 20, 2013 11:47am
Kea

FFS Kea – MI5 and 6 are doing that!

Or would you prefer the army to knock on doors in London?

Yes. Why not ?

They do in Afghanistan. They also drop bombs and missiles on them and should do the same in London. Plenty of people (on KB) have made it crystal clear that a few (tens of thousands actually) civilian deaths are ok, just as long as you did not “target” them.

Why all the double standards ?
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April 20, 2013 11:47am
UglyTruth

Why is this programe allowed to promote Sheik Feiz Mohammed’s views in NZ?

Why do you assume that they need anyone’s permission to do that?
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April 20, 2013 11:47am
Kea

“Kea, you make a god point but you are not being consistent.”

Pete, how am I not being consistent ?
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April 20, 2013 11:48am
bhudson

@PG,

NZ Power is a pure socialism play. There is no way the Greens could resist being a part of it.
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April 20, 2013 11:48am
Reid

Changeiscoming here’s a better one, but is long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XcGh1Dex4Yo
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April 20, 2013 11:49am
Harriet

“….And who is it that KILLS the soldiers from the AFGAN DEFENCE FORCE ?…”

C’mon Kea answer it! 😎
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April 20, 2013 11:49am
bhudson

Perhaps we should dust off the ‘dancing Cossacks’. After all, Labour and the Greens are determined to take us 40 years backwards at least
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April 20, 2013 11:50am
Pete George

bhudson – yes, I suspect they were flattered by Labour wanting to run with their policy, and seduced by the opportunity to promote transfer of wealth. On Firstline yesterday Norman was keenly talking about taking company profits and giving it to “the people”.
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April 20, 2013 11:53am
Kea

And what killed all the dead US Aus Kiwi soldiers over ONE ENTIRE FUCKEN DECADE?

Easy.

They invaded another country. Of course some got killed.

How would you like it if Muslims from Mali invaded us, then labeled anyone who fought against them, “terrorists” and evidence the invasion was justified.

A bunch of Christians turn up in a strict Muslim tribal society and start laying down the law and killing people, and then they bleat that the local are not friendly. Try and look past the propaganda and put yourself in their shoes.
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April 20, 2013 11:54am
dime

the problem with the US invading afghanistan is they didnt kill enough of them.

but, being the eternal optimist that i am, there is still time!!!

although watching the yanks bomb some persians would also be quality viewing.

the only issue is they never give a completely accurate kick off time. mysky gets all fucked up. AND they usually start wars on a weekday around lunchtime our time. i know its prime time in the states, but cant they throw us a bone?

also, if they let us know in advance when the kick off was, the tv companies could sell more advertising.
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April 20, 2013 11:54am
dime

i also think the US failed to promote the afghan war. They had some awesome new drones on display. we should have had more footage of them taking people out.

and they also layed down the apaches. there is some amazing footage on youtube. the dirty terrorists had no chance. especially if they were 5 year old terrorists. way too slow.

and no best of bluray release. obama needs to go more hollywood.
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April 20, 2013 11:57am
Kea

And who is it that KILLS the ~~soldiers~~ traitors from the AFGAN DEFENCE FORCE ?…”

Who killed those people who assisted the Nazis ?
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April 20, 2013 11:58am
ex-golfer

@ Dime – post of the day!
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April 20, 2013 11:58am
dime

here is a classic example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1Mh_qkhTQ

1:42 in. they need to go hires. 1080p!
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April 20, 2013 12:02pm
Harriet

“…..Plenty of people (on KB) have made it crystal clear that a few (tens of thousands actually) civilian deaths are ok, just as long as you did not “target” them.

Why all the double standards ?….”

Like someone just said – look at Boston.

But in Boston unlike Afganistan, there is no regular guerillia warfare – and there is certainly not a large element of the general populace who are loyal to Afgan tribal ‘commanders’ who, once the US leave will fight for control of Afganistan.

That is why we went there and that is why we stayed – to create a nation that can defend itself from the likes of tribal ‘commanders’, and also the Taliban – people who are not from Afganistan!

There are old sores in Afgaistan to settle that are a hangover from the USSR occupation. And a National defence force is needed to keep the peace between tribal commanders.

The ‘Lion of Afganistan’ from northern Afganistan was the only person who could have ever achieved peace in that country, but Al Quada killed him 2 days or so before 9/11.

And the reason – they knew the US would come and that he would align Afgan forces against Bin Laden. The rest is history.
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April 20, 2013 12:03pm
Kea

dime (5,981) Says:
April 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
i also think the US failed to promote the afghan war. They had some awesome new drones on display. we should have had more footage of them taking people out.

and they also layed down the apaches. there is some amazing footage on youtube. the dirty terrorists had no chance. especially if they were 5 year old terrorists. way too slow.

and no best of bluray release. obama needs to go more hollywood.

Yeah and those Muslims need to raise the bar too. Their camera work is piss poor.

I want to see better footage of Americans being blow up and as you say, especially snotty little kids. They need to put the next one in a school full of white middle class brats and set up heaps of cameras. Also sound. I want to hear the whining little bastards scream.
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April 20, 2013 12:04pm
pollywog

then why the fuck were 150,000 soldiers from 20 odd fucken countries there?

Using up munitions before their use by date so the military industrial complex can make more…ch ching!!!
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April 20, 2013 12:06pm
Reid

The question of religion is often discussed here and as a believer I have a certain knowledge and perspective that differs from non-believers. Lord Denning the great English jurist, when he was a defence lawyer, used to prepare the prosecution case before he turned to preparing his case. In that spirit I’d like to present this hymn, which in sound, words and pictures explicates extremely well the Christian perspective. It’s always helpful to know how the other side thinks, in any analysis. So if you a non-believer, I suggest watching it without judgement. Don’t treat it as if it’s trying to sell you something, just look at it like how a person would if he was just watching it and drinking in the true spirit behind the words, the music, the pictures on the screen. That’s how we believers think, when we think about religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GINNh15cT08
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April 20, 2013 12:07pm
dime

“I want to see better footage of Americans being blow up and as you say, especially snotty little kids. They need to put the next one in a school full of white middle class brats and set up heaps of cameras. Also sound. I want to hear the whining little bastards scream.”

i bet you do my muslim friend
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April 20, 2013 12:09pm
Kea

“But in Boston unlike Afganistan, there is no regular guerillia warfare”

Yeah, because there is no occupying army to fight. For fucks sake think about it.
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April 20, 2013 12:12pm
Reid

Everyone knows about the poppy situation in Afghanistan right? Taliban had eliminated it. US goes in, bumper crops started second year they were there. How much do you think that makes for their black programs?
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April 20, 2013 12:17pm
dime

Reid – the yanks are a touch naughty but they could be a hell of a lot worse.
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April 20, 2013 12:19pm
mandk

Harriet @10.13

Agreed. The homosexuals also stole the word gay, and then started to squeal because young people want to attach a different meaning to it.
I want to reclaim the word “marriage” to reflect its original meaning, but I will doubtlessly be called a bigot for doing so.
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April 20, 2013 12:19pm
Kea

Reid, the market is booming for heroin. It started with the Russian invasion, but has really taken off now the Americans are there (killing people for being Muslim and for the crime of protecting themselves from an occupying army.)

Heroin is devastating Russia, but most of the worlds supply comes from Afghanistan now. Allah has been truly generous.
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April 20, 2013 12:23pm
dime

“(killing people for being Muslim…”

sounds fair
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April 20, 2013 12:27pm
RightNow

Come on people, it’s obvious all this bombing and killing civilians etc is the new normal because of global warming.
Ask Cuomo http://politicker.com/2013/04/governor-cuomo-says-boston-bombing-part-of-new-normal/
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April 20, 2013 12:27pm
doggone7

That doesn’t make a lot of sense….NZ is a nominally Christian country. A better analogy would be, say a couple of New Zealanders blowing up a mosque in Tehran. In those circumstances you can bet your prayerbook & beads that the Iranian press wouldn’t be soft peddling the religion angle.

Indeed. And someone who steals something or does something else terrible with their hands here gets to keep those hands. To the disgust of some. Just pointing out the fact that situations are seen differently by different people in different places. All Muslims will be condemned (again) by some people over the Boston attack on the strength of the information that’s emerged about the two brothers. The most vociferous, righteous ones won’t condemn all Christians for similarly heinous crimes.
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April 20, 2013 12:27pm
Kea

This is getting too heavy. Here is some comedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0lBkS4DMU
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April 20, 2013 12:33pm
Reid

Reid, the market is booming for heroin. It started with the Russian invasion, but has really taken off now the Americans are there

I know it’s booming. The point is Kea, the Taliban had eliminated it. Now if the US really was above board, wouldn’t it have made lot of sense to keep it eliminated, when they arrived? Especially given their aerial defoliation and satellite crop detection capabilities? They could have easily done it. Especially when the first thing drug lords do is become a security problem in the regions they operate in. Not to mention the arms they buy and spread around. But no, nothing like that happened. It was a common-sense no brainer foreign country invasion 101 type of policy, but nothing happened.

That’s the point. And if you like you can choose to think it was an accident, a simple oversight. But given that if the US did control the trade, it would get hundreds of billions for its black budgets, was it just that or was it something else?
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April 20, 2013 12:35pm
dime

kea – you love america. you said the other day. that clip must make you sad 🙁
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April 20, 2013 12:39pm
Kea

dime, I think this American agrees war sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbX2Yy5pz1w
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April 20, 2013 12:41pm
Rightandleft

Police scanner reporting bomber suspect is in custody.
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April 20, 2013 12:44pm
dime

kea – i think the key to getting america to back off is to keep killing its people and broadcasting their dramatic demise. keep chanting in the streets like the backward fucks that you are. shotting ak47’s into the air. screaming “death to america”. that way the yanks will know youre no real threat.

also, make sure you keep your uppity women down. the last thing you want is women seeing themselves as equals. learning to read etc. its bad for your people
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April 20, 2013 12:49pm
Lance

Oh fuck

The GD thread has become a permanent Kea side show.
The village idiots hat has been passed on from Philu to Kea.

Again I recommend not feeding the troll.
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April 20, 2013 12:49pm
Viking2

Ah so the pond level is rising with all this rain. We can tell by the return of lots of pond scum to KB.
Frogs and slippery dicks et al.
Includes the slime from the left of the left.
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April 20, 2013 12:52pm
kowtow

doggydodo

People who commit heinous crimes in Aotearoa New Zealand may well be Christian (but I doubt they are seriously practising Christian)

the motive and driving force for their criminality will definitly not be Christianity…….

an exception could well be the wacko Marxists who identify themselves as Christians who burst the bubble at Waihopai.

But I wouldn’t equate that property destruction (as serious and expensive as it was) with blowing up a sports event,shooting and disfiguring girls for going to school,murdering health workers on vacination campaigns,decapitating men for listening to music,raping and beating women for “adultery”,murdering female relatives for having boyfriends,killing Christians for being Christians……….

so your point to put it mildly is …….. dog shit.
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April 20, 2013 12:54pm
Kea

dime (5,987) Says:
April 20th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
kea – i think the key to getting america to back off is to keep killing its people and broadcasting their dramatic demise. keep chanting in the streets like the backward fucks that you are. shotting ak47′s into the air. screaming “death to america”. that way the yanks will know youre no real threat.

also, make sure you keep your uppity women down. the last thing you want is women seeing themselves as equals. learning to read etc. its bad for your people

1. Well you could simply turn off the telly, which is the only place you have seen that happening.

2. Yes, just like in the strict Islamic Sharia law country of Saudi Arabia, home of the 911 planner and on very good terms with the USA, even allowing them to have military bases there.

Wake up and stop parroting propaganda.

Lance, your an irrelevant waste of space who never has more than banal snide remarks to contribute. Go steal oxygen some place else if you don’t like it here.
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April 20, 2013 12:55pm
kowtow

lance

kea has gone beyond the pale of being a simple village idiot with that post 1233 saying blown up servicemen is comedy!

but you’re quite right I vote ignore him and hopefully it will go away.
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April 20, 2013 12:58pm
dime

i love trolling you kea. its funny watching you go from an amusing dude to showing your true colours – a pro terrorism muslim.

you held it together for the first 3000 posts.
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April 20, 2013 12:59pm
Kea

“I know it’s booming. The point is Kea, the Taliban had eliminated it.”

Yes and the Taliban also installed a measure of stability to the country. You could actually go from one village to another without getting robbed by bandits. They have “boundaries” the Taliban. I think they were trying to suck up to the USA by installing Sharia law, just like the USA’s friend Saudi Arabia. They must have thought the Yanks would be their mates if they had Sharia law, like Saudi Arabia has Sharia law.

Of course the Taliban have always been mates with the US, who set them up, trained them, gave them weapons, not so long ago. They were the Mujahideen, but changed their name when they kicked the Russians out and started rebuilding their country.
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April 20, 2013 1:04pm
dime

the taliban sound just wonderful!

tell me more! what policies did they have in place for education?

did the girls go to a co-ed school or did they have their own?
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April 20, 2013 1:06pm
Kea

Kowtow, I did not hear you whining like a little bitch when dime was on about the joys of blowing up 5 year olds.

You slimy sack of shit. I am the one opposing killing and little cowards like you are all for war as you sit safely in white middle class suburbia. Then you scream and snivel when a pressure cooker blows up in the US. What a pathetic wimp.
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April 20, 2013 1:08pm
Kea

dime (5,989) Says:
April 20th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
the taliban sound just wonderful!

tell me more! what policies did they have in place for education?

did the girls go to a co-ed school or did they have their own?

The girls are dead. A drone got them.

“A NATO airstrike on Monday left 11 Afghan civilians (10 of whom were children) dead.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics
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April 20, 2013 1:11pm
dime

all the girls are dead? struth!

how did the afghan sports teams go under the rule of the glorious taliban?
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April 20, 2013 1:16pm
Kea

dime, not sure really. Ask the American ally Saudi Arabia, the very heart of Islam and the worlds biggest supplier of radical terrorists. Home of the 911 hijackers and the 911 planner. Great mates with the USA.
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April 20, 2013 1:25pm
dime

Kea – im not sure the taliban are the great blokes you make them out to be:

“Afghan women were forced to wear the burqa at all times in public, because, according to one Taliban spokesman, “the face of a woman is a source of corruption” for men not related to them”

that almost sounds like their men are so weak, so backward that they cant control basic, everyday urges. primitive.
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April 20, 2013 1:29pm
dime

“Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught. They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban’s laws. The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be arranged by force”

this doesnt sound like a very nice place at all.

80% of marriages were forced? you mean girls werent lining up to marry weak, backward assholes? i am shocked.

Women should not appear in the streets without a blood relative and without wearing a Burqa (also Burkha, Burka or Burqua).

Women should not wear high-heeled shoes as no man should hear a woman’s footsteps lest it excite him. – BAHAHAHAHAHA

Women must not speak loudly in public as no stranger should hear a woman’s voice. – that doesnt sound too bad 😀

All ground and first floor residential windows should be painted over or screened to prevent women being visible from the street. – its like all muslim mean are rapists?!

The photographing or filming of women was banned as was displaying pictures of females in newspapers, books, shops or the home. – lol do muslim dudes have a problem with whacking off all day or something!?

The modification of any place names that included the word “women.” For example, “women’s garden” was renamed “spring garden”. – i dont know what to make of that

Women were forbidden to appear on the balconies of their apartments or houses. – is that cause the rapists (which seem to be most of the men) can climb? like the apes that they are?

Ban on women’s presence on radio, television or at public gatherings of any kind. – yeah. who needs chicks. its much better when its just a bunch of horny dudes who cant control themselves… do taliban bars look like the blue oyster?
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April 20, 2013 1:34pm
Kea

Yes I agree dime. Just like in Saudi Arabia, the American ally. You can tell a lot about a country by the company it keeps, don’t you think ? The US were great mates with Sadam and made the Taliban what it is today. They are also mates with other despots in the region [Central Asia], so they can have their bases there.

Are you trying to tell me all those people (including over 14,000 civilians) died so women had more dress choices ?

Jesus wept !
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April 20, 2013 1:36pm
Kea

dime (5,992) Says:
April 20th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

Where was that happening ? It sounds like the US backed Saudi Arabia.
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April 20, 2013 1:38pm
Fletch

Looks like they’ve caught the second suspect. ABC.com is streaming live.
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April 20, 2013 1:40pm
dime

“Are you trying to tell me all those people (including over 14,000 civilians) died so women had more dress choices ?”

nah, they did it for shits n giggles. there was a good ole fashioned blood lust after 9/11. seinfeld had come to an end, nothing on telly. you take it so personal. you need to move on.

ya know, like how you tell maori to move on 😉
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April 20, 2013 1:40pm
dime

kea you seem obsessed with saudi arabia. relax. their turn will come. just gotta chew through more of that delicious oil. once its gone fire will reign from the skies 🙂
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April 20, 2013 1:41pm
Kea

US Ally Saudi Arabia (home of the 911 attackers)

Women’s rights in Saudi Arabia are defined by Islam and tribal customs. The Arabian peninsula is the ancestral home of patriarchal, nomadic tribes, in which purdah (separation of women and men) and namus (honour) are considered central.
All women, regardless of age, are required to have a male guardian. Women cannot vote or be elected to high political positions.

The World Economic Forum 2009 Global Gender Gap Report ranked Saudi Arabia 130th out of 134 countries for gender parity. It was the only country to score a zero in the category of political empowerment.

Gender roles in Saudi society come from Sharia (Islamic law) and tribal culture. All females must have a male guardian, typically a father, brother or husband. The guardian has duties to, and rights over, the woman in many aspects of civic life.

Dress code
Among non-mahram men, women must cover the parts of the body that are awrah (not meant to be exposed). In much of Islam, a women’s face is not considered awrah. In Saudi Arabia and some other Arab states, all of the body is considered awrah except the hands and eyes. Accordingly, most women are expected wear the hijab (head covering), a full black cloak called an abaya, and a face-veil called niqab.
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April 20, 2013 1:42pm
Kea

dime, finally you are making some sense. Yes it must have been for shits and giggles. The Muslims have been good sports too, taking out the legs of slow runners for a laugh. Very symbolic don’t you think ?
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April 20, 2013 1:46pm
Fletch

Looks like the bombers could be “Twelvers” – Muslims who believe in the return on the Twelfth Imam, or Mahdi.

The two brothers who set off the bombs at the Boston Marathon Monday were assets of a bigger network out of South Asia and were set up to be burned so there would be no link back to their handlers – and Iran.

As reported exclusively April 16, a source within the Iranian intelligence services told WND that the Islamic regime had links to Monday’s bombings and that Hezbollah terrorists and Quds Forces were involved in the shadows. The information was shared with U.S. officials.

A YouTube video posted apparently by one of the bombers, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, though not yet confirmed, shows a belief in the coming of the Shiites’ 12th Imam, Mahdi, and the rise of an Islamic army with black flags out of Khorasan, a province in Iran.

The mullahs ruling Iran have promoted that same ideology, revealed in their secret documentary “The Coming Is Upon Us.” The documentary says Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is the one who, according to a centuries-old hadith, will raise the flag of Islam in creating the circumstance for the coming of the last Islamic messiah, Mahdi. Khamenei was born in Khorasan.

It is believed that the Mahdi will only reappear when Armageddon is upon the world, and Iran is seeking nuclear weapons to bring it on.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/boston-bombers-followers-of-irans-ayatollah/
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April 20, 2013 1:47pm
Harriet

“….the Taliban have always been mates with the US, who set them up, trained them, gave them weapons, not so long ago. They were the Mujahideen, but changed their name when they kicked the Russians out and started rebuilding their country….”

Bullshit Kea!

The Talibahn were never mates with the US, as the Taliban was formed AFTER the Afgan/USSR war.

The Mujahideen were never Afgans either.

Individual Muslims went to Afganistan from other Muslim countries to help their Muslim brothers kick out the USSR.They called themselves the Mujahideen or were known as that.

Then they stayed on and took control of the country under the idealogy of hardline Islam. Then called themselves the Taliban.
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April 20, 2013 1:50pm
Johnboy

Evicting everybody of muslim faith or who has ethnic ties to any muslim nation from all the western nations seems like a reasonable response to islamic terrorism to me.

If they dont want to leave we could just declare them to be nonbelievers and behead them! 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:02pm
Kea

Harriet, so those people from other countries were not Afghans and the Mujahideen were not Afghans ! Ok then 🙂

BUT….

The Saudi Arabians that camped out in the mountains were instantly transformed into Afghans and therefore all Afghans must die. Got it.

Please let the Americans know they are in the WRONG COUNTRY because (as you say) the Taliban are not Afghans. (“Individual Muslims went to Afganistan from other Muslim countries Then they stayed on and took control of the country under the idealogy of hardline Islam. Then called themselves the Taliban.)

It really is incredible the lies and leaps of logic I am seeing to justify war.
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April 20, 2013 2:02pm
Kea

Johnboy, last time I checked, we invaded them, not the other way around.
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April 20, 2013 2:05pm
UglyTruth

Bullshit Harriet.

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
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April 20, 2013 2:07pm
Johnboy

You have never visited Naenae’s little Somalia then Kea? 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:07pm
Johnboy

It was created under the auspices of Helens bid for her current $1.19m job at the UNDP! 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:09pm
Kea

“You have never visited Naenae’s little Somalia then Kea?”

I have a simple approach to immigration from Somalia. No way.

Muslim immigration is ok, if they hold a burning quran in one hand while eating a pork chop with the other. They make the rules in Saudi Arabia, we make them here. I am not pro Muslim. I am anti war and an atheist.
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April 20, 2013 2:21pm
nasska

They have a very old saying in Lower Hutt.

Salem alaikum allahu Akbar. 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:23pm
Harriet

“…..The Saudi Arabians that camped out in the mountains were instantly transformed into Afghans and therefore all Afghans must die. Got it….”

Kea.

There will be more or less the same amount of Afgans killed each year in Afganistan if the US stays or goes!

That’s a fact. Wait till you see the bloodbath that unfolds between regional commanders for control. 😎
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April 20, 2013 2:28pm
Kea

Yes agreed.

But a bunch of Americans do not need to die as well. Maybe they could save a few trillion dollars and fix their health system. Just a thought.
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April 20, 2013 2:33pm
Johnboy

Nasska: I thought the old LH saying was:

“At least Helen could have taught these fuckers to drive if she brought the bastards here to vote for her” ! 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:36pm
nasska

I was told that they were all taxi drivers or benefit bludgers anyway JB. 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:45pm
Johnboy

Apart from being a darker shade of brown they fit in well with the local Naenae folk. 🙂
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April 20, 2013 2:48pm
Harriet

Bullshit Harriet.

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated

I’d totally agree with that even if you didn’t put up the quote.

This is what I said –
“… Individual Muslims went to Afganistan from other Muslim countries to help their Muslim brothers kick out the USSR.They called themselves the Mujahideen or were known as that…The Talibahn were never mates with the US, as the Taliban was formed AFTER the Afgan/USSR war.”

I knew that the US had funded the Mujahideen so I didn’t disgree with Kea saying it. I was just pointing out that the Mujahideen weren’t the Taliban at that stage[the USSR war] and did not impose rule on Afganistan till well after the war.

I would go so far as to say that the US would have had no knowledge that the Mujahideen were ever going to go on to form the Talibahn, as before the USSR war Afganistan was a rather peaceful country.

{The war only ever started because the then King and his family were killed by his cousin who was somewhat of a mental case. The USSR then went into Afganistan because it was the ‘soft underbelly of Russia’ and said they would only stay till the country was back under self rule. The Afgans wanted them out and went to war with them. The US saw it as an opportunity to bankrupt the USSR and funded the Mujahideen. The russians actually sold Alaska to the US to fund it, under what was known as the ‘deal of the century’ – something like $10US an acre!}

Cheers.
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April 20, 2013 2:49pm
Viking2

The Girl friends New Lingerie.
Looks a lot of fun.

Imagine raunchy robotic undies that allow long-distance lovers to ‘touch’ each other via the internet.

Sydney-based tech firm Snepo have built the Fundawear garments, which contain small vibrating and pulsating actuators that can be remotely controlled via a mobile phone app.

I kid you not.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/8573172/Aussies-develop-sexy-robotic-undies
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April 20, 2013 3:00pm
nasska

V2

See if you can get a pair for Harriet to trial…..he/she could phone him/herself all day.

It’d get him in touch with his feminine side & get his rocks off without the smell & mess! 🙂
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April 20, 2013 3:11pm
UglyTruth

Harriet, you initially wrote that the Mujahideen were never Afgans, and that they where Muslims from other countries to help repel the Russians.

The accounts of Gates and Brzezinski make it clear the Mujahideen existed before the Russian invasion, so they must have initially been Afghanis.

Kea’s statement about the US supported Afghan Mujahideen becoming the Taliban was correct.

The point of all this is that the involvement of the US destabilized Afghanistan and developed a manufactured enemy who could be blamed for the events of 9/11, providing further impetus for US military expansion. In this context it’s hardly suprising that Obama spent time in Pakistan during Al Queda’s formative years.
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April 20, 2013 3:31pm
Viking2

naaska.
good gear for you farmers too I’d reckon.
Johnny boy could tickle his ewes from afar, your town lady could stimulate you on the hill.
seems like a long distance “slap n tickle” to me.
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April 20, 2013 3:42pm
nasska

Don’t know that the body is up for much more stimulation be it close by or long distance V2.

The mind is willing but the flesh is weakening. 🙂
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April 20, 2013 3:47pm
Johnboy

nasska and I just have to whistle V2 and our ladies come-a-running.

Never confuse your utter lack of attraction to the ability of chaps like us to get the flock covered! 🙂
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April 20, 2013 3:53pm
Scott Chris

pfft – all Johnboy need do is perform some press-ups on a wool rug 🙂
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April 20, 2013 4:01pm
kowtow

The BBC have “bomber” in quotation marks along with a story next to it about Muslims fearing a backlash.

Those Boston bombs were actually not in pressure cookers they were in quotation marks.

And the old backlash rehash.The BBC wants us to feel sorry for their victims of the inverted coma bombings but not the real victims,the cops and spectators.

Fuck the liberal MSM are almost as bad as the terrorists.
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April 20, 2013 4:26pm
UglyTruth

“I believe special services have framed my children” Anzor Tsarnaev

“[the FBI] told me … whatever information he is getting they are controlling him” Zubeidat Tsarnaeva (Russia Today)

The FBI is notorious for recruiting and framing terrorist patsies. A report compiled by Mother Jones and the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California-Berkley found that of the 158 prosecutions carried out on terrorism charges since 9/11, 49 defendants participated in plots that were arranged by FBI agent provocateurs.

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bomber-was-controlled-by-fbi/
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