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kowtow

We’re often fed the bullshit line that Turkey is a secular state,ready for EU membership.
I’ve never shared that view.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/04/2013415103818540386.html

A famous pianist convicted of insulting Islam.
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April 16, 2013 8:09am
meh

Well the Boston incident is a crap way to start Tuesday.

I am happy to read that the Kapiti Expressway has been green-lit as a regular traveller up the island.
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April 16, 2013 8:12am
dishy

Don’t take too much notice of Mr Shearer’s bleat regarding lower power prices. His recent comment on the exchange rate shows that he’s yet to grasp the difference between low and high.
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April 16, 2013 8:24am
david

Self, foot, shoot, the, in ……….. rearrange to suit yourself. After bleating on (and on and on) about the loss of dividends from the MRP selldown, labour are now promising to take the dividends away by legislation thus turning one of the few legitimate arguments against the share sale into a nonsense. Cunliffe was the one who articulated the dividend-loss argument best and he has now had his cojones removed on the subject.

Way-to-go David the Shearer
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April 16, 2013 8:30am
Elaycee

The Saudis have dealt to a moron who deliberately rammed a vehicle with his car killing the three occupants.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-beheaded-after-killing-3-in-car-chase-1.1168521

That brings to 31, the number of executions carried out in Saudi Arabia this year. Drug dealers, drug traffickers, murderers, rapists, paedophiles and even morons who deliberately kill people on the road.

A stark contrast to the approach by the panty waists here who believe crims should be hugged / cuddled and provided with TVs and laptops before being released back into society.
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April 16, 2013 8:38am
Pete George

If the Saudis “have got it right” they wouldn’t be having crimes like that committed.
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April 16, 2013 8:42am
flipper

Whatever anyone may say about J Key, thy cannot say he did not exercise extraordinary patience dealing with that smart arse, arrogant bint, Smalley on TV3 this morning.
Frankly I want to hear what Key says, and make up my ,mind “unaided”. I do NOT want that bitch talking over the Prime Minister him and trying to persuade him to call Ferguson a liar.

I am inclined to believe Kitteridge. Ferguson is a pissed off labour man who obviously leaked a variety of GCSB matters to selected media. Just an arsehole…and most likely a liar..

Here endeth the first lesson! )
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April 16, 2013 8:43am
Pete George

Editorial: Warmest regards

The monstrous conspiracy of global warming, perpetrated by a scandalously huge majority of the scientific world, persists.

The latest outrageous deception is the attempt to ascribe some sort of significance to the “fact” that Antarctic Peninsula is melting in summers at a level not seen for 1000 years. This requires us to take on blind faith the assumption that this so-called continent exists outside the minds of alarmists.

To point to Antarctica’s presence on maps is a fatuous nonsense. When was the last time a scientist came out and acknowledged that Antarctica didn’t feature in the early maps used by some of the world’s most intrepid and admired explorers? Has anyone even asked who first added it, and for what reasons? Certainly not the uncritical mainstream news media. What proof do we have, beyond anecdotal reports from those who claim to have been there – a perfect way for any ne’er-do-well who needs to cover his tracks to disappear from scrutiny for long stretches at a time?

As for satellite imaging purporting to show the presence of some southern polar mass; it is already a well-established fact that images can be doctored. You could just as easily insert an Atlantis in the same space. The latest report describes the so-called continent as the “Antarctic Circle” when even those fabricated images show something that is far from perfectly round. The global warming brigade can’t even get that part of their story straight.

Then there is the highly questionable issue of timing and the assumption that the world is more than 1000 years old. Nowhere in the Old or New Testament will you find references to the terms “BC” or “AD”. The hands that wrote the scriptures under guidance from the Holy Spirit did not insert these misleading signposts; they were added centuries later by worldly monarchs taking their eyes off scripture and falling under the thrall of that most perilously fashionable of disciplines, mathematics. In any case, they got it wrong. Nowhere in these calendars do they allow for the year 0, rendering them mathematically unsound. Surely another kick in the credibility goolies for global warming.

The latest report also claims that the Antarctic Circle (sic) has seen the most extreme global warming on Earth since the 1960s – a decade widely associated with hallucinogenic drug-taking. Hardly a trustworthy basis for any serious comparison. Any evidence gathered in that decade must be dismissed out of hand. And how many of the scientists at present pleading with the world to react gained their so-called degrees in that decade? We shudder to think.

The breathtaking vanity of those who believe in anthropomorphic global warming must also be confronted and rejected. Not necessarily in that order. If history has taught us anything – and the jury is still out on that – it’s that mankind’s assumption that we could materially influence the glorious majesty of the natural world speaks of nothing other than our failure to accept our own insignificance. An unspeakable vanity. Whatever came of our attempts to influence the seasons by sacrificing beasts, virgins and the like? Nothing. Do rain dances end droughts? Of course not. Did all our teeny tiny attempts to split atoms in ways that might generate huge discharges of energy result in any explosions of truly global consequence? Not so far, buster.

We need to worry about today and let the future take care of itself. Should the day ever come that climatic calamity is upon us, and we are up to our armpits in hard evidence, that is the time to sit back in restful contemplation and give consideration as to what exactly we should or shouldn’t have done. Until then it’s all conjecture.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/8553473/Editorial-Warmest-regards
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April 16, 2013 8:49am
Elaycee

Thank you Pete George – for confirming (yet again) your status as a complete moron.
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April 16, 2013 8:54am
Manolo

P.G., hard-core anti-male, militant feminist and against AGW? Interesting mix.
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April 16, 2013 8:54am
jims_whare

Yeah – I mean how can you take a guy seriously who has two first names and no surname – whats up with that??
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April 16, 2013 9:12am
Dennis Horne

Pete George (17,132) Says: April 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
If the Saudis “have got it right” they wouldn’t be having crimes like that committed.

Perhaps it’s not about “getting it right” it’s about not compounding the error.

Personally I would join a firing squad to execute Weatherston and a few others, and I wouldn’t have camouflaged the evidence in the Macdonald trial either. Mind you, the adversarial system is a farce anyway; look at Bain.
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April 16, 2013 9:28am
Pete George

Personally I would join a firing squad to execute Weatherston and a few others, and I wouldn’t have camouflaged the evidence in the Macdonald trial either. Mind you, the adversarial system is a farce anyway

Yeah, why bother with trials at all when executioners could be selected from blog commenters who know all the facts.
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April 16, 2013 9:42am
Kleva Kiwi

Pete George (17,134) Says:
April 16th, 2013 at 8:49 am

“Then there is the highly questionable issue of timing and the assumption that the world is more than 1000 years old. Nowhere in the Old or New Testament will you find references to the terms “BC” or “AD”. The hands that wrote the scriptures under guidance from the Holy Spirit did not insert these misleading signposts; they were added centuries later by worldly monarchs taking their eyes off scripture and falling under the thrall of that most perilously fashionable of disciplines, mathematics”

Idiot
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April 16, 2013 9:50am
Akaroa

RE: Pete George at 8.49.

Hilarious!! What’s the matter with you guys who got all harrumphy about Pete’s post?.

Don’t you recognise or appreciate high comedy satire when you see it?
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April 16, 2013 10:26am
liarbors a joke

another peaecful native plays up..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8553725/Bailed-man-savagely-beat-partner-in-street
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April 16, 2013 10:26am
Longknives

Christ is anyone else sick of hearing Steve Williams recounting “his” great victory at The Masters? Dude you carry the clubs…
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April 16, 2013 10:34am
Dennis Horne

@Pete George. Blog commenters would have made a better job than the Bain jury and Binnie Dunce.

Are you saying Weatherton is factually innocent? We’d have seen better justice in the Wild West.
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April 16, 2013 10:44am
Pete George

Dennis – ?? I didn’t say or imply anything about Weatherston being innocent. He was found guilty and I think that seems like a fair verdict, justice looks like it worked well there.

Blog commenters would have made a better job than the Bain jury and Binnie Dunce.

Which ones? Everyone wants their own version of “justice”, and there will probably always be someone willing to pull the trigger.

If every trial was judged by blog commenters and swift capital punishnment was allowed we would have a very wild west, east, north and south…while there were still some people surviving.
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April 16, 2013 11:39am
James Stephenson

Dude you carry the clubs…

When was the last time Sir Alex scored a goal for Man Utd? Williams deserves a bit of credit as on-course coach and tactician, doesn’t he?
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April 16, 2013 11:45am
Kea

Dennis Horne, you are basing your assessment of our legal system only on a few high profile failures. No system is perfect, but ours is pretty good. If you view any system on its failures, nothing will look good. Efforts to change the system, because of exceptions to the rule, invariably result in bad law.
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April 16, 2013 11:56am
Pete George

From the Boston thread:

vto – April 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am

Further up the page i posted this “I would like to see a similar post by Farrar every time an american weapon kills innocent people. Just for consistency and credibility like.”

And now it has 9 thunbs down votes and only 2 thumbs up votes.

Does anyone know why people wouldn’t like to see a similar post every time an american weapon killed innocent people?

I can’t speak for DPF but I would presume it’s not feasible to post on “every time an american weapon killed innocent people”, and if you want “consistency and credibility” whenever an English or French or Russian ot Chinese weapon killed innocent people.

The same reason why this so-called “consistency and credibility” isn’t evident at The Standard or any other blog either see:
http://thestandard.org.nz/bombing-victims/

However DPF does allow people to post comments here about a wide range of topicss, and various killings are mentioned from time to time.

Perhaps, vto, if it interests you, you could start up a blog devoted to every innocent killing in the world, for consistency and credibility.
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April 16, 2013 12:17pm
Kea

World news with the following two headlines:

At least two people are dead following a pair of explosions in Boston, Massachusetts

Black Monday in Iraq: 46 killed, almost 300 injured in series of attacks

http://rt.com/
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April 16, 2013 12:42pm
Kea

The decade-long War in Afghanistan (2001–present) has caused the deaths of thousands of Afghan civilians directly from insurgent and foreign military action, as well as the deaths of possibly tens of thousands of Afghan civilians indirectly as a consequence of displacement, starvation, disease, exposure, lack of medical treatment, and crime resulting from the war. The war, launched by the United States as “Operation Enduring Freedom” in 2001, began with an initial air campaign that almost immediately prompted concerns over the number of Afghan civilians being killed[1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

A NATO airstrike on Monday left 11 Afghan civilians (10 of whom were children) dead…. Last year’s figures bring the total number of civilians who have lost their lives in the armed conflict over the past six years to 14,728.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics
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April 16, 2013 12:53pm
dime

kea – shit happens. its a war. they dont target civilians but of course some are going to get it.

a comparison would be some lowlife rag head piece of shit plants a bomb at an Army base in the states and a few civillains get caught up in it.
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April 16, 2013 1:01pm
kowtow

Oh the joys of multiculturalism and all that diversity we get so much from……….

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9996122/Second-university-sounds-alarm-over-segregation-at-Muslim-student-events.html
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April 16, 2013 1:10pm
liarbors a joke

A thoroughly nasty bastard who deserves life in prison..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8556319/Gosnell-guilty-of-murdering-Hayden-Miles
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April 16, 2013 1:13pm
Pete George

David Shearer continues to insist that Labour won’t agree to any changes in GCSB legislation unless there is “a full independent enquiry”, report Newstalk ZB:

Labour leader David Shearer is accusing the Prime Minister of “sexing up” the threat to New Zealand of cyber attacks and weapons of mass destruction.

John Key say such threats are very real and that us why the laws governing the GCSB need a total overhaul.
Mr Shearer will meet with John Key tonight to discuss the Government’s plans.
But he is still refusing to back the law change.

“Mr Key is trying to sex up his policy to put through legislation.

“I’m asking why can’t we have a full independent enquiry?”

There is obviously plenty of politicking going on. But Shearer is meeting John Key tonight to discuss Government plans on the GCSB.

This will be a test of whether Shearer can rise to a level of responsibility that’s required to lead a Government and look to seriously at what is required to maintain adequate security services, or if he will remain in the sandpit of petty politics.
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April 16, 2013 1:20pm
OTGO

@ Longknives 10.34. Have you ever played golf? Have you ever played golf with a professional caddie? i know they are not swinging the clubs but they have massive input into club selection and putt reading. Steve Williams has caddied at Augusta more than any other caddie so yes he can take some credit in my book for the experience he provided to Adam Scott.
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April 16, 2013 1:31pm
kowtow

liabors a joke

Deserves life in prison?

Deserves a long drop from a short jump.
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April 16, 2013 1:35pm
Elaycee

@Longknives: I have to agree with OTGO – Williams has now caddied for three Masters winners – Ray Floyd / Tiger Woods and now Adam Scott. He sure knows his way around Augusta.

Apparently Scott couldn’t get a good read on the last green and asked Williams what he thought.. and Williams told him: ‘I know this putt. It breaks more than it looks – its closer to 2 cups to the right rather than one. And its a lot faster than it looks’. When Scott holed the putt, he threw his arms in the air, turned and was heard to say to Williams “You’re a f***ing legend”.

On the strength of that alone, I’d say Steve Williams really earned his keep. 😀
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April 16, 2013 1:38pm
Kea

they dont target civilians but of course some are going to get it.

Some = 14,728 Afghan civilians
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April 16, 2013 2:09pm
dime

Some = 14,728 Afghan civilians

good eh? look how many died in earlier wars.

to limit the number to 14,000 is an achievement the yanks should be proud of. especially cause the cowards fighting them dont wear uniforms.
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April 16, 2013 2:14pm
Kea

good eh? look how many died in earlier wars.

to limit the number to ~~14,000~~ 2 is an achievement the ~~yanks~~ al qaeda should be proud of.

There fixed it for ya dime.

(Hint: Civilians do not wear uniforms)
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April 16, 2013 2:16pm
wreck1080

Those who like to make jokes about Ginger headed people will be happy with this…

Gang who kicked a 14-year-old schoolboy around ‘like a football’ for being GINGER are jailed for 10 years

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309477/Nathan-Booth-Gang-kicked-14-year-old-schoolboy-like-football-GINGER-jailed.html#ixzz2QaYirUN9
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April 16, 2013 2:16pm
dime

(Hint: Civilians do not wear uniforms) – neither do the raghead tali ban/ terrorists.

also, how many of those 14,000 were civilians and how many were shit bags? who can tell.

whatevers left if afghanistan should praise allah the yanks didnt just launch a couple of minute men 🙂

im guessing the good ole minute man could reach? long flight for a B2 pilot otherwise.

actually a trident launching from a sub always looks awesome!
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April 16, 2013 2:20pm
kowtow

Oh look ,this never made it to the front pages as it’s not warmist alarmism.

http://www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/

Baltic record ice.
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April 16, 2013 2:23pm
Pete George

I had been wondering about Winston Peters being so quiet on the proposed changes to GCSB law and oversight. Seems like he has been looking at it seriously.

Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz

Winston Peters has broken ranks with Labour/Greens. Will support Key’s GCSB law change without need for independent inquiry.

Andrea Vance ‏@avancenz

NZ First to support GCSB law changes – with controls.

NZ First want warrants to identify risk and be reviewed every three weeks

Peters has experience in Government and will have a good idea about the realities of security agencies and national security requirements.

This will put pressure on David Shearer to step up to the required level of responsibility.
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April 16, 2013 2:30pm
Kea

“Ice breakers navigating the Gulf of Bothnia have been astounded at the record spread of ice on the Baltic Sea, while scientists say they have never seen anything like it.
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kowtow, It looks like the ~~weathermen~~ climate “scientists” were right after all, when they said we were heading for another ice age.

Have you seen any figures on how many souls froze to death this year in the Northern hemisphere ? With the green movement shoving up the cost of energy (to fight global warming) the increasingly bitter winters are killing more and more.
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April 16, 2013 2:36pm
Griff

Way to go god boy.
Reading Swedish papers now? Or was that trawled from Wanking with watts or some nut job climate change denial site? Foreign news jars with your IQ so I guess the later. 😆

A record on the captains say so since the “sixtys”.
Fuck that’s licking the bottom of the barrel even for you kowtow.
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April 16, 2013 2:36pm
Kea

how many of those & ~~14,000~~ 3 were ~~civilians~~ runners and how many were shit bags?

dime, so Nuke em you reckon. Fair enough, you are entitilled to your view. But stop the show of fake grief and concern for your fellow man because of three dead yanks.
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April 16, 2013 2:39pm
Kea

Hay Griff’s dope ran out and he is back sharing his insights about the weather again. 🙂
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April 16, 2013 2:41pm
dime

“dime, so Nuke em you reckon. Fair enough, you are entitilled to your view. But stop the show of fake grief and concern for your fellow man because of three dead yanks.”

nah, i said they should allah the yanks didnt nuke em.

im ok with the 14,000.

i dont do the fellow man thing. its case by case. i have sympathy for the innocent americans killed.
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April 16, 2013 2:43pm
Kea

dime, How many of the innocent Americans were “shit bags” though ? You forgot to answer…

Do you realise the Afghans have attacked no one outside their own tribal regions ? That Osama Bin Laden came from Saudi Arabia ?

Just curious why you would want to Nuke em ?
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April 16, 2013 2:47pm
RightNow

Oh goody, Griff’s back. I was worried he saw how cold it was in Europe and topped himself from despair.
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April 16, 2013 2:47pm
Griff

😆

The nut jobs miss me!

How cute.

Seems that a little bit of reality injected into their altiverse makes them feel almost sane.
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April 16, 2013 3:03pm
RightNow

Mwah mwah mwah griffy, it was so boring without you.

How about the decimation of Marcott et al huh? They really screwed up that paper.

Who the hell were the peer-reviewers? That’s what I want to know. Fail.

oh yeah… 🙂 🙂 🙂
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April 16, 2013 3:08pm
Manolo

Letter of the day:
Victoria University professors James Renwick and David Frame can bluster away about climate sceptic Viscount Christopher Monckton for as long as they like (Sceptic’s ire amuses, but views retain sting, April 13-14), but it won’t do them the slightest good. Long gone are the days when these types could sit in their ivory towers and issue edicts as if they were high priests because, now, there is available, via the internet, a wealth of data about ”global” (sic) ”warming” (sic) and the even more philosophically rancid ”climate change”. They will, of course, claim that they refuse to engage with Lord Monckton because to do so would lend his views respectability. But many of us know the real reason: in any toe- to-toe slugfest, the professors would be on the canvas in double quick time.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/8554313/Letter-We-know-the-real-reason-for-refusal
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April 16, 2013 3:11pm
Dennis Horne

@Kea. So when will the “system” sort out Bain? How many more millions to self-serving lawyers? What about Scott Watson? Police didn’t look for the yacht the kids were seen to climb aboard. Peter Ellis’s mother will go to her grave knowing the system shafted her son. A system unable to correct itself. Perhaps start here:
http://www.justice.gov.uk/about/criminal-cases-review-commission

@Pete. I understand the problems but in some cases, where there are for all intents and purposes eye witnesses, I favour execution for murder. Naturally I would be relieved if I didn’t have to pull the trigger, I might miss.

We have become too tame.
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April 16, 2013 3:13pm
Kea

Dennis, I know I know. Like I said, the system is not perfect. Exceptions do not make a rule.
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April 16, 2013 3:19pm
Griff

Yes manalulu there is lots of nut bar sites that will tell you its a global consprowhacky.
As does lord whacky werido

It just proves the stupidity of nutters like you squawk and wrong often. 😆

If lord nutty fuck was a real scientific type he would publish in scientific journals not do speaking tours just to take money of bubba rubes like RN kea and you.

Have you nutters missed being laughed at 😆
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April 16, 2013 3:19pm
dime

kea – by shit bags i meant losers fighting against the yanks but too cowardly to wear a uniform.
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April 16, 2013 3:20pm
RightNow

You go Griff.

Hey since water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect and CO2 only 3.6% wouldn’t it be logical to just cut down on our water vapour emissions by a little tiny tiny fraction and thereby completely offset the anthropogenic CO2 component without all this fuss and drama?

Perhaps we should stop geothermal power generation – that generates a shit load of water vapour!
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April 16, 2013 3:31pm
voice of reason

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/8556430/Hello-Sailors-Dave-McArtney-dies

Very sad news this. One of NZ’s best
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April 16, 2013 3:32pm
kowtow

griff you’re a mad foul mouthed fucker:)

i found it on the back page of the print ODT. No trawling>
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April 16, 2013 3:35pm
Kea

kea – by shit bags i meant ~~losers~~ civilians fighting against the invading yanks ~~but too cowardly to~~ so they do not wear or own a uniform as they are civilians fighting an occupying army.

There fixed it 🙂
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April 16, 2013 3:48pm
noskire

And now for something completely different – try Googling “do a barrel roll”.
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April 16, 2013 3:56pm
RightNow

noskire – try googling “zerg rush”
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April 16, 2013 4:10pm
dime

BAHAHAHAAHAHA @ Kea

poor little innocent taliban. just minding their own business. really, just good bastards. sure they stone women to death and are bat shit crazy but its just there little part of the world.

too bad they had to harbour terrorists and let them attack the big dog.

the west has had its vengeance now. afghanistan can go back to how it was.

im surprised youre such a fan. arent you one of the dudes who call maori “stone agers”?
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April 16, 2013 4:12pm
Kea

dime

1. The Taliban do mind their own business and have not invaded anyone.

2. The American ally Saudi Arabia also has Sharia law.

3. London has better funded and resourced Muslim radicals, that celebrated in the street after 911. Saudi Arabia is the biggest financiar of radical Islam on the planet. America attacked neither. Both harbour terrorists. The 911 lads were living in the USA, not Afghanistan.

4. Yes, let Afhaanistan go back to how it was. The Taliban were the only ones to get some order in the place.

5. I am not a fan of the ignorant radical Muslims. I am also pro American. That is why I do not want them to die for nothing. What goes on in Central Asia is not our business. If I thought they really could bomb people into being a rich industrialised progressive liberal democracy I would probably support their efforts. But that is not reality. We are better to lead by example. Kicking the door down and announcing democracy has arrived, does not work.

6. When was the last time you were attacked by the Taliban ? I only ask, as you seem to feel strongly about this.
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April 16, 2013 4:21pm
noskire

Heh, very cool RightNow.
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April 16, 2013 4:38pm
liarbors a joke

Sad day..

http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/latest-hottest/253279/hello-sailor-founder-dave-mccartney-dies
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April 16, 2013 5:05pm
Pete George

This seems unusual – Conservative candidates referred to police

The Electoral Commission has referred the Conservative Party’s Larry Baldock and Peter Redman to police over allegations they filed false expense and donation returns.

In a statement today the commission said the party candidates for the 2011 election had been referred to police for filing the allegedly false paperwork.

It also said Mr Baldock had been referred for allegedly paying, or arranging another person to pay, election expenses in excess of the $25,000 maximum.

A Conservative Party spokeswoman said the party had just received the paperwork from the commission and would make a statement later in the afternoon.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Conservative-candidates-referred-to-police/tabid/1607/articleID/294496/Default.aspx
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April 16, 2013 5:17pm
nasska

That’s very strange PG but I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation which will reveal that the candidates are innocent of any skullduggery.

After all, they are men of God.
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April 16, 2013 5:31pm
Viking2

What Dotcom experienced was little different to what any person could expect during the execution of a search warrant, despite the paperwork being incorrect, the crown says.

The intelligent comment of a QC no less.

I have yet in all my years to hear of the Mongrel Mob, Filty Few or any others getting a load of para’s delivered to the site by chopper.

72 of the buggers at that. All for a few civilians who had never resoted to violence as oppossed to gangsters who modus operandi is exactly that. Violence.

Over educated idiot. Christ am I getting sick of listening to them. Govt, councils commisions of all kinds, infested with them.
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With regard to the electronic devices taken – which Dotcom’s lawyers say were removed without any discretion – McDonald said the Search and Surveillance Act now allowed police to collect electronic media even if they were unsure what it contained.

It also allowed for the copying of material, she said, meaning the clones were lawful.

The Search and Surveillance Act was brought in last year, so doesn’t cover the Dotcom raid.
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So her argument is that now the law has been changed because of this fuck up by the plods it should be retrospective cause that’s how it is now.

Hopefully Winklemen J will give McDonald her cards and tell her to back to school.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8556420/Police-don-t-owe-Dotcom-court-told
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April 16, 2013 5:45pm
cha

Would anybody who watched question time today like to defend Key’s performance. His inability to keep his story straight shows the man to be an habitual liar.
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April 16, 2013 5:45pm
OneTrack

PG _ “This seems unusual – Conservative candidates referred to police

The Electoral Commission has referred the Conservative Party’s Larry Baldock and Peter Redman to police over allegations they filed false expense and donation returns.
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Wow, the Electoral Commission doesn’t let the grass grow under their feet. No mucking around there. Oh, wait..
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April 16, 2013 5:47pm
dime

1. The Taliban do mind their own business and have not invaded anyone. – some of the women who have been stoned to death may feel different?

4. Yes, let Afhaanistan go back to how it was. The Taliban were the only ones to get some order in the place. – lol but youre not a fan of ignorant muslims.

the afghans deserved a smack down. they let osama roll there so bad luck.

i knew you were a misogynist, i just didnt realise you were a muslim one.
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April 16, 2013 6:24pm
nasska

Kea’s not really a misogynist dime….that’s just his on line persona. Fortunately we were able to track down a photo of him taken at a recent feminist gathering. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n9ounnr6ddnlrl/Kea%206.jpg
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April 16, 2013 6:46pm
Kea

dime

1. Saudi Arabia has Sharia law and brutal barbaric punishments.

2. Saudi Arabia is where Bin Laden came from.

3. Saudi Arabia is the biggest source of funding for radical Islam.

4. Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. Even the country is named after the dictator !

5. Why did the US not attack the rich oil state of Saudi Arabia ?

Anyway, every one is getting all worked up over nothing. It may turn out the the runners were actually “collateral damage” which we have already established is not so bad. (just like the 116,000 civilian lives lost in Iraq )
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April 16, 2013 7:16pm
kowtow

Bloody ‘Stralians off to Syria to fight Assad.Don’t think any will be called Bruce though.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/spy-agencies-monitoring-australians-fighting-in-syria/4630098
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April 16, 2013 7:22pm
OneTrack

Cha “cha (2,201) Says:
April 16th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Would anybody who watched question time today like to defend Key’s performance. His inability to keep his story straight shows the man to be an habitual liar”

Can you be a bit more specific? I coudn’t watch through all of Shearer’s inane and puerile questions “Does the pm stand by all his statements? Duh. Duh. And double duh. No wonder Key doesn’t take him seriously as he is a joke in question time. Is there any way I can get a tax refund on te tax I have paid which goes to him to bring our democracy into disrepute. He is taking the mckey, right? It’s some sort of lefties dare to waste as much time as possible? But, its only taxpayers money right. Who on the left cares sbou them.
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April 16, 2013 7:26pm
Kea

kowtow, I love it how the West chips in to help these radical Muslim groups take control of various countries. The Arab Spring lark really helped entrench the religious nuts around the Muslim world, with American help.

Yet confusingly the US are slaughtering the exact same religious nutters in other places !
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April 16, 2013 7:26pm
RightNow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XvXMBwANyvY

Pow, right in the kisser 🙂
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April 16, 2013 7:29pm
kowtow

……..entrench the religious nuts around the Muslim world…..

I’ll rephrase that for you.

Muslims entrench religious nuts around the world.
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April 16, 2013 7:32pm
Viking2

“Dogs Welcome”

A man wrote a letter to a small hotel in a Midwest town he planned to visit on his vacation.

He wrote: I would very much like to bring my dog with me.

He is well-groomed and very well behaved.

Would you be willing to permit me to keep him in my room with me at night?”

An immediate reply came from the hotel owner, who wrote:

SIR: “I’ve been operating this hotel for many years. In all that time, I’ve never had a dog steal towels, bedclothes, silverware or pictures off the walls.

I’ve never had to evict a dog in the middle of the night for being drunk and disorderly.

And I’ve never had a dog run out on a hotel bill.

Yes, indeed, your dog is welcome at my hotel.

And, if your dog will vouch for you, you’re welcome to stay here, too.”
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April 16, 2013 7:34pm
Kea

Pow, right in the kisser

He would give Griff nightmares 🙂
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April 16, 2013 7:37pm
Viking2

Which Astrological Sign Lasts Longest in Bed?

Sex tips for their astrological sign! Do you know what they like?
http://bit.ly/116wuc9
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April 16, 2013 7:46pm
Griff

Man did not do it last time therefor man can not be responsible this time.

Nutters and another logic fail.

How unusual.

😆

Nightmares no

Rolling around on the floor laughing at you weirdos and your anti science

Wing nuts 😆 Shit for brains. Did you all pay to see lord wacko ? 😆 a fool, and their money.
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April 16, 2013 7:48pm
nasska

V2

What a load of crap! ….”They love talking during sex and cuddling afterwards.”…..

We Piscerians drop kick them out of the bed, turn over & go to sleep. 🙂
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April 16, 2013 7:50pm
RightNow

“Man did not do it last time therefor man can not be responsible this time.”

Man did not do it last time therefore it is not unprecedented. FIFY.

But seriously Griff, just like you I keep my fingers crossed for more warming. Because when the cold hits people die in droves.

Say, have I told you lately that you’re a turd-eating turd. You sure swallow a lot of turds.
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April 16, 2013 7:52pm
nasska

Ask the Imam:

Q. How do you tell when a Muslim male reaches puberty?
Imam. He no longer needs a step-stool to have sex with a goat.

Q: What’s the first thing a Muslim woman does after her husband beats her?
Imam: The dishes if she knows what’s good for her.

Q: Why do Muslim Men drink goat’s milk?
Imam: Because their wives are too young to lactate.

Q. How many wives does it take to change a light bulb ?
Imam: None, as a Muslim you should keep them all completely in the dark.
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April 16, 2013 8:00pm
RightNow

A new paper in the AMS Journal of Climate suggests low equilibrium climate sensitivity.

Employing the improved methodology, preferred 90% bounds of 1.2–2.2 K for ECS are then derived (mode and median 1.6 K).

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00473.1?af=R&

That seems to match too well with reality, I await the climate industry to manufacture faults with it.
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April 16, 2013 8:00pm
Griff

Pooh pooh turd talk again right now?
Just means that you are a little upset.

Dont like being called a nutter EH.
nutnutnutter 😆
http://www.skepticalscience.com//pics/2013Toon15.GIF
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April 16, 2013 8:04pm
Steve (North Shore)

Just before I leave,

Is the “Red Alert” blog a fucked unit? Last post was 14th. It Red Alert just for the select few controllers who circle jerk? Like a private members club is it?
Where is Trevor? where is Clare.
Red Alert is having a huge domestic I reckon.
Spray and walk away
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April 16, 2013 8:05pm
RightNow

Griff: “Just means that you are a little upset.”

Ah, that’s why you keep calling people “Wing nuts” and “Shit for brains.”

And I thought they were terms of endearment. Sorry we’re upsetting you so much griffy, I thought you could handle it.
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April 16, 2013 8:08pm
RightNow

@ Steve 8.05 – are they still averaging 2 comments a week over at red alert? Can’t say I’ve bothered with it for a very long time.
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April 16, 2013 8:10pm
nasska

Latest (peer reviewed) climate research has uncovered some concrete facts. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ykyv1civyhe5ke/climate%202.jpg
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April 16, 2013 8:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

nasska (6,095) Says:
April 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

The barely concealed racist element emerges as a ‘joke.’
Try growing some nasska.
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April 16, 2013 8:16pm
Griff

Actually wingnut* is because you think science is done on blog sites like wanking with watts and bullshit hill.

Shit for brains because you think that lord nutjob is a honest source of science information
And fucknuckle because you are one 😆
Turd ? is that because of your sexual preference? are you coming on to me?
Not interested I prefer an IQ of more than 80 in my partners
conspiwhacky nutters like you have by definition low IQs

*http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always right-wing authoritarians as well as being politically right-wing).
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April 16, 2013 8:17pm
nasska

Constable Nostalgia & police dog Sniff doing the internet blog rounds again I see. 🙂
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April 16, 2013 8:20pm
RightNow

You should check out my 8.00pm then griff. ECS within the bounds 1.2-2.2, median/mode 1.6.

“No, no, no I can’t hear you, la-la-la-la, I’ll just call you names and hope you get distracted”
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April 16, 2013 8:22pm
Nostalgia-NZ

That’s a mighty high horse you’re riding nasska, keep on rocking.
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April 16, 2013 8:27pm
Kea

RightNow , Griff is right. Lord nut job is not an honest source of science.

For that you need to consult the leading authority of the IPCC, a retired Indian railroad engineer. 🙂

It is so good to have Griff back flaming people for telling the truth.
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April 16, 2013 8:40pm
Kea

Rolling around on the floor laughing at you weirdos and your anti science

Wing nuts Shit for brains. Did you all pay to see lord wacko ?…. And fucknuckle because you are one
Turd ? is that because of your sexual preference? are you coming on to me?

Another compelling and erudite “climate science” presentation by Griff.
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April 16, 2013 8:46pm
Griff

Right now trys to deny climate change then when pressed concedes that its real just reverts to minimalism of the potential risks.

The scientific consensus is a range of 2- 4.5c for a doubling of co2 with 3Cc the most likely temperature rise

IPCC . Progress since the TAR enables an assessment that climate sensitivity is likely to be in the range of 2 to 4.5°C with a best estimate of about 3°C, and is very unlikely to be less than 1.5°C. Values substantially higher than 4.5°C cannot be excluded, but agreement of models with observations is not as good for those values

So its not news right now you take the whole range of studys not just those you like.
If we keep on burning hydrocarbons at the present rate we will get past 750ppm – doubled co2 before 2050

Keep on talking right now I like your wobbles they make me laugh 😆
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April 16, 2013 8:57pm
Kea

Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted
‘Lorenz (1963), in the landmark paper that founded chaos theory, said that because the climate is a mathematically-chaotic object (a point which the UN’s climate panel admits), accurate long-term prediction of the future evolution of the climate is not possible “by any method”. At present, climate forecasts even as little as six weeks ahead can be diametrically the opposite of what actually occurs, even if the forecasts are limited to a small region of the planet.’

Chaos & Fractals

The Butterfly Effect

Weather prediction is an extremely difficult problem. Meteorologists can predict the weather for short periods of time, a couple days at most, but beyond that predictions are generally poor.

Edward Lorenz was a mathematician and meteorologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who loved the study of weather. With the advent of computers, Lorenz saw the chance to combine mathematics and meteorology. He set out to construct a mathematical model of the weather, namely a set of differential equations that represented changes in temperature, pressure, wind velocity, etc. In the end, Lorenz stripped the weather down to a crude model containing a set of 12 differential equations.

On a particular day in the winter of 1961, Lorenz wanted to re-examine a sequence of data coming from his model. Instead of restarting the entire run, he decided to save time and restart the run from somewhere in the middle. Using data printouts, he entered the conditions at some point near the middle of the previous run, and re-started the model calculation. What he found was very unusual and unexpected. The data from the second run should have exactly matched the data from the first run. While they matched at first, the runs eventually began to diverge dramatically — the second run losing all resemblance to the first within a few “model” months.

http://www.stsci.edu/~lbradley/seminar/butterfly.html
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April 16, 2013 9:08pm
Griff

leading authority

Would you like to explain what the function of the IPCC is kea
Then explain why you think the head bureaucrat is a lead authority on climate change not just a head paper pusher.

And you morons wounder why I make fun of you 😆 its because you are so stupid it hurts 😆

Give me a railway engineer over the Google eyed fantasist inbreed lord nuttjob any day.
still
The normal source of anti climate change is a failed weather presenter named A Watts after all so a nutjob British peer is all good 😆
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April 16, 2013 9:08pm
RightNow

That the best you got griff? The fabled “scientific consensus”, and “you take the whole range of studys not just those you like”.
But the alleged consensus is made up of only those you like.

You know I think there’s a few more people you could call names griff, just to really prove to us that your case is so good all you need to do is throw ad hominems around. Oh, and appeal to ‘the consensus’.

🙂
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April 16, 2013 9:12pm
Viking2

Standard & Poor’s is facing a class action worth more than $100 million over its decision to stamp top-notch credit ratings on complex products that inflicted hefty losses on local councils.

In a move tipped to pave the way for similar actions overseas, a group of 90 councils, churches and charities are set to file a legal claim against the global rating agency in the Federal Court on Tuesday.

Rating agencies played a pivotal role in the misallocation of billions of dollars worldwide from 2005 to 2008 and it is important they be held accountable

IMF (Australia), which is funding the action, will allege S&P misled the small investors when it said its ratings were independent. It will also say S&P did not have “reasonable grounds” to rate so highly what turned out to be toxic debts.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/councils-go-after-sp-for-misleading-ratings-20130416-2hxxg.html#ixzz2QcGEkPYd

Not before time and there are some councils in NZ that need to join the action.
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