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Pete George

Some of you won’t need the Internet to tell you this, but Auckland and Christchurch are up there on the congested city list. Wellington is there too but not quite so bad.

Dunedin not on ‘congested cities’ list

In case you want something to ponder while stuck in shitty big city traffic – all the details: TomTom Congestion Index
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April 5, 2013 8:06am
Manolo

WCC is disfunctional. The Green mayor, the Luddite supposedly in charge, will be booted out at the next election.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8511348/Councillors-asleep-at-the-wheel-as-jobs-axed
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April 5, 2013 8:06am
James Stephenson

I went to Dunedin a couple of months ago, arrived at about 8.30pm and the place appeared to be shut.
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April 5, 2013 8:14am
Pete George

The latest Roy Morgan poll shows mostly normal fluctuations.

National Party to 44% (up 0.5% since early March)
Maori Party 2.5% (up 0.5%)
ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
United Future 1% (up 0.5%).

Labour is 34.5% (up 2%)
Greens are 13% (down 0.5%)
New Zealand First 3% (down 2%)
Mana Party 0.5% (up 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 1% (down 1%)
Others 0% (down 0.5%)

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2013/4879/
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April 5, 2013 8:20am
Longknives

Sorry Pete- But you won’t sell that cold old dump to anyone who isn’t a randy first year Uni student…
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April 5, 2013 8:24am
Keeping Stock

@ Manolo – things MUST be bad in Wellington; Celia Wade-Brown has copped a serve from Sue Bradford:

Sue Bradford ‏@suebr 3m

Incredible story: Wgtn’s Green Party mayor votes to outsource last jobs – cld hv worked to take ops back, keep jobs

Isn’t it fun when lefties fight among themselves?
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April 5, 2013 8:27am
hj

Houston makes list top 10 most congested cities in US. Has high homelessness and 1/5 live in poverty. Is Nick Smith’s poter child.
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April 5, 2013 8:54am
All_on_Red

“The Obama administration is engaged in a broad push to make more home loans available to people with weaker credit, an effort that officials say will help power the economic recovery but that skeptics say could open the door to the risky lending that caused the housing crash in the first place.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

My Dad used to say that one thing history teaches us is that people forget what history teaches us..
Obama is such a moron.
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April 5, 2013 8:57am
Dave Mann

On Tuesday I was critical of Sean Plonkit on Radiolive. Yesterday however, his programme was much better (albeit with his left leaning bias)…. I think he might be settling in. I wonder what he’ll be like today?
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April 5, 2013 8:59am
Adolf Fiinkensein

Sean Plunket left leaning?

Was Ghenghis Khan a Marxist?
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April 5, 2013 9:08am
iMP

Chch press took to streets and recorded vox populi about new cathedral. A cowboy got in the way (4.10min).

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/vox-populi-on-new-cathedral/
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April 5, 2013 9:14am
peterwn

Manolo – Re Wellington City Council. I would call this ‘The revenge of the Rabbits’. Years ago it emerged there was a Masonic type of social group of senior staff who called themselves the ‘Rabbits’ (this was about three- four CEO’s ago). Their mantra was ‘All Councillors are Bastards’. Seems the Rabbits are still alive and well. These are people who could not care less about dysfunction at the Council table but just want to get the job done.
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April 5, 2013 9:20am
flipper

All on Red.

Now remind us about the “success” of “Fanny and Freddie whatstheirnames” and US home loans.
That was Clinton’s attempt to make home loans available to those who could NOT AFFORD THEM.

Lordy, look where that took the world….. and now the Obama economic luddites want to try again. 🙂
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April 5, 2013 9:38am
dime

Did anyone hear Grant Robinson on ZB this morning?

What a wanker. He got upset when Hoksing called him a conspiracy theorist.

He went on to say “i think most new zealanders”.

Dime wants to know this – if every labour minister knows what “most new zealanders think” then how come they are polling at 30% and not 70%?

i suspect if you showed 30 minutes footage of GR to the “average kiwi” the research would show “most new zealanders think he is a wanker”
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April 5, 2013 9:41am
dime

The other highlight of ZB this morning was that airhead try hard lefty wendell nissan?! however you spell her name.

apparently john key needs to resign. he is disgusting blah blah why is she on the radio?
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April 5, 2013 9:42am
Paulus

Great to see that 30 Afghan interpreters and their families are to after Auckland intergration centre, to settle in Hamilton – approx 95 people in all (in June).

They all speak English, and one said he will continue his education and go to Uni.

They are overjoyed at the opportunities being offerred to these families.

Sorry Winston – they are very welcome as they have played a great contributuon to New Zealand in Afghanistan.
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April 5, 2013 9:46am
Black with a Vengeance

Radio rots your brain slightly less than tv , dime.

Why bother with them?
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April 5, 2013 9:49am
Longknives

Just for Dime-

http://www.wendylsgreengoddess.co.nz/about-me/

Wendy is the female version of Gareth- An expert on fucking everything!
She owns a shop (that sells Lentils or something) a few blocks from my house…never see any customers in it.
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April 5, 2013 9:56am
Paulus

Flipper

It was the Socialist Senator from Illinois who convinced Clinton to tell, by legislation, both Freddy Mack and Fanny Mae they cannot refuse a mortgage to anybody.

When they said that did not have enough money they were effectively told to go borrow – which they had to from the commercial banking system, who created all sorts of financial rorts, as the law said they cannot refuse to give mortgages to anybody, irrespective of their ability to pay back the loan.

The Senator – Barack Hussein Obama.

This was the cause initially of the Sub Prime Mortgage effect, which eventually blew out the US banking system as part of the W.W. financial downturn, which is still prevalent, and will be be for a long time.

Can the US come out of the debacle, or are we witnessing the “Decline and Fall of the American Empire”.

This decline really started with their defeat in Vietnam, and has continued since.

Sad but that’s life.
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April 5, 2013 10:02am
RightNow

Thanks longknives, I really wanted to see a picture of Wendyl cuddling a cock.
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April 5, 2013 10:02am
flipper

Paulus…

Yep, glad you reminded everyone. 🙂
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April 5, 2013 10:06am
alwyn

Paulus at 10.02am and flipper at 10.06am

This is a great story with only one flaw.
Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2004, and took his seat at the start of 2005.
Clinton was elected to the Presidency on 1992 (and 1996) and served as President between January 1993 and January 2001.
Now just how did “Senator” Obama persuade “President” Clinton to do anything, given that their terms did not overlap?
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April 5, 2013 10:25am
All_on_Red

Flipper/Paulus
I read that at one stage there were 17 million unoccupied houses in the US. All due to the housing bubble fuelled by Banks feeding off the Freddy and Fannie trough of unlimited easy credit.
I know in some States like Florida it was so bad they were seriously considering bulldozing entire suburbs to try and correct the damage the oversupply was doing to the wider marker. However IIRC there were also really only about seven States badly affected by it. States like Texas haven’t really been concerned.
But what madness from Obama. He is really screwing the US. Still the Republicans fucked up the Election, they had their chance.
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April 5, 2013 10:26am
All_on_Red

Longknives/Dime
I reckon the link to Wendyls site is apropos. It certainly is all About Me
Last I heard she was defending Shearers memory lapse by saying “$50,000 is nothing”

Very good Right Now!
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April 5, 2013 10:35am
dime

allonred – she is an absolute idiot. she thinks shes the elite because she dines at prego lol

after this mornings rant i would fire her if i were hosking.

hosking asked her if she had heard from CNBC as she would be perfect. she didnt understand what he meant. moron.
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April 5, 2013 10:38am
graham

Whoops – bet this guy will think twice before he opens his mouth again.

A suggestion by a Palmerston North city councillor that Maori women be sterilised to stop them smoking in front of their children has outraged councillors and Maori health advocates.

Councillor Bruce Wilson was speaking at the community wellbeing committee this week about a proposed smokefree policy covering the central city around and including The Square.

He said if the aim was to stop adults role-modelling smoking behaviour, and given 41 per cent of Maori women smoked, perhaps they should be sterilised.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8513218/Sterilise-smokers-comment-outrage

The article indicates that he might have meant it as a joke, albeit in poor taste (with the wonderful benefit of hindsight), but of course everyone’s jumping on him and calling him a racist. One ill-considered comment, and the guy’s branded for life. By people who are apparently perfect and never say anything they later regret.
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April 5, 2013 10:52am
dime

Dime was reading up on the CEO of Netflix. One of the most respected CEO’s out there. He also sat on the board of Microsoft and is on the Facebook board now.

He is right into charter schools. He donated a million bucks to help get a local one started. Anyway i cam across this:

“If public schools don’t adopt the same principles of competition and accountability as exist in the private and nonprofit sectors, they will continue to deteriorate,” Hastings says in a statement posted on the website of the New Schools Venture Fund. “More and more parents with means will send their children to private schools, and the institution will become like Medicare, an alternative for only the most disadvantaged.”

Hastings says there is no overarching strategy to improve public schools and that education reform is “littered” with business people who seriously want to help schools. “One way to permanently impact the system would be to have 10 to 20 percent of California schoolchildren enrolled in charter schools. That would be critical mass, and enough of a force to induce a competitive dynamic in the system.”

that must terrify about 50% of the lazy ass teachers out there. the thought of delivering a real service, competiting just like everyone else in the real world. it will require so much effort arghhhh
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April 5, 2013 10:57am
Fisiani

http://www.billenglish.co.nz/archives/890-Higher-revenue-helps-improve-Crown-finances.html

The sound economic management of the National led governement is paying off
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April 5, 2013 11:05am
kowtow

all on red

You are quite right to note Obama is insane.”Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”But then he’s a socialist so doesn’t care about real wealth and private property.

The really scary thing is just about every government in the developed world is doing the same thing.

What bothers me is that there’s so little comment on it in the MSM etc.

We are heading for financial collapse and everyone seems to be cheering for more government and more spending!
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April 5, 2013 11:11am
dime

“Compared with the eight months to February 2012, tax revenue has increased by $2.2 billion, mainly reflecting wage growth, higher effective tax rates and a rise in GST receipts due to growth in nominal consumption and residential investment.”

but.. but.. how could that be? all the rich had a tax cut?
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April 5, 2013 11:14am
kowtow

fisiani

Remind me,how much does the government borrow every month to fund it’s operations?
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April 5, 2013 11:17am
OneTrack

dime @10:57 – “that must terrify about 50% of the lazy ass teachers out there. the thought of delivering a real service, competiting just like everyone else in the real world. it will require so much effort arghhhh”

The problem with the charter schools is that their goal is to do what the parents want ie teach their children useful life skills, such as reading, writing and mathematics. Those three subjects seem to be really low on the priority list for many teachers and schools. It seems a big reason is that the teachers (with their sociology or history degrees (never teaching degrees for some reason) ) don’t find those subjects interesting, especially with the new ways of doing things such as maths. Hence, they focus on soft things such as art, treaties, diversity and my personal favourite “Enviro” (where basically the kids learn how to recycle). IMHO This is also the reason for the push back on National Standards – they are being measured on subjects they don’t want to teach so they definitely don’t want to be measured on them. Maybe they should have National Standards in art to start getting some buy in.

They obviously see the risk for them if charter schools start focussing on those subjects and start improving outcomes for the long tail. It might come back to bite them. Far better for everybody to be just plain vanilla and then there is nobody who can be blamed (except rich pricks of course – it is always their fault).
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April 5, 2013 11:20am
Manolo

Oh, the poor things: http://travel.msn.co.nz/travelnews/8637411/accent-mix-up-annoys-kiwi-travellers
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April 5, 2013 12:02pm
Ross12

Interesting comments by Stephen Franks on the Fletcher appointment issue.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/
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April 5, 2013 12:07pm
Nookin

Ross12

Interesting indeed.

Also interesting is that shoulder tapping is not a new phenomenon. Apparently it predates the 2008 election of the current government!

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/10/17/1991217.htm
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April 5, 2013 12:11pm
publicwatchdog

5 April 2013

‘Open Letter’ / OIA request to New Zealand Prime Minister John Key :

“How are you ‘inducted / familiarised’ with your statutory duties arising from the Public Records Act 2005?”
_______________________________________________________________________________

Prime Minister of New Zealand
John Key

Dear Prime Minister,

Given your previous background at the highest levels of the private sector/ banking and finance corporate world (being the former Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch, and a former Foreign Exchange Advisor for the New York Federal Reserve), it may have been your custom and practice to ‘do’ internationally significant deals over dinner or over the phone?

However, you are now Prime Minister of New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2012 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’, along with Denmark and Finland).

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

As New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – we should arguably be the most ‘transparent’?

Arguably, the laws, regulations and culture which apply in the private, corporate world – are NOT the same which should and do apply to the public sector, of which you are now in charge, as Prime Minister of New Zealand.

May I respectfully remind you of the pivotal legislation which covers the public sector / public service, as outlined on the NZ State Services Commission website:

http://www.ssc.govt.nz/legislation

Contents
Title page
Crown Entities Act 2004
Human Rights Act 1993
NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990
Official Information Act 1982
Protected Disclosures Act 2000
Public Finance Act 1989
Public Records Act 2005
State-Owned Enterprises Act 1986
State Sector Act 1988
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

In particular – may I draw your attention specifically to the Public Records Act 2005:

http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345536.html

Part 1
Purpose, other preliminary provisions, and key administrative provisions
Subpart 1—Purpose and other preliminary provisions

3Purposes of Act

The purposes of this Act are—
(a)to provide for the continuation of the repository of public archives called the National Archives with the name Archives New Zealand (Te Rua Mahara o te Kāwanatanga); and

(b)to provide for the role of the Chief Archivist in developing and supporting government recordkeeping, including making independent determinations on the disposal of public records and certain local authority archives; and

(c)to enable the Government to be held accountable by—
(i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained; and
(ii)providing for the preservation of, and public access to, records of long-term value; and

(d)to enhance public confidence in the integrity of public records and local authority records; and

(e)to provide an appropriate framework within which public offices and local authorities create and maintain public records and local authority records, as the case may be; and

(f)through the systematic creation and preservation of public archives and local authority archives, to enhance the accessibility of records that are relevant to the historical and cultural heritage of New Zealand and to New Zealanders’ sense of their national identity; and

(g)to encourage the spirit of partnership and goodwill envisaged by the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi), as provided for by section 7; and

(h)to support the safekeeping of private records.

(My underlining)
_______________________________________________________________________________

Please provide the following information:

1) What is / was the process by which you were ‘inducted / familiarised’ with this above-mentioned key legislation which now covers your statutory duties as the Prime Minister of New Zealand?

2) What was / is the role of the NZ State Services Commission, in ensuring that you were ‘inducted / familiarised’ with this above-mentioned key legislation, which now covers your statutory duties as the Prime Minister of New Zealand?

3) What is / was the process by which you were ‘inducted / familiarised’ with the above-mentioned Public Records Act 2005, which now covers your statutory duties as the Prime Minister of New Zealand to:

“enable the Government to be held accountable by—

(i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained ”

4) What was / is the role of the NZ State Services Commission, in ensuring that you were ‘inducted / familiarised’ with the above-mentioned Public Records Act 2005, which now covers your statutory duties as the Prime Minister of New Zealand to:

“enable the Government to be held accountable by—

(i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained”

5) How many staff are employed in your ‘Prime Minister’s Department’?

6) Please confirm that you have staff in your ‘Prime Minister’s Department’, who have the responsibility for ‘diary notes’ / memos / minutes (and the like), of affairs of State, in order to ensure that your above-mentioned statutory duties as Prime Minister of New Zealand, under the Public Records Act 2005, are carried out in a proper way.

7) Please provide the information which explains why you are relying upon your (proven to be unreliable) memory, for matters such as your role in the appointment of Ian Fletcher as Director of the GCSB, when you have a statutory duty as Prime Minister to:

“..enable the Government to be held accountable by—
(i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained”

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 AucklandMayoral Candidate
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April 5, 2013 12:14pm
Nookin

Oh dear. Hypocrisy maybe?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ahmed-zaoui/news/article.cfm?c_id=549&objectid=3561493
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April 5, 2013 12:15pm
Nookin

Apropos the previous comment. Was Grant Robertson working in the Prime Minister’s office when it was decided to shoulder tap the next SIS head? Was he (Robertson) involved in the process or did he resign in protest because it is an undesirable action to take?
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April 5, 2013 12:26pm
graham

The old question – where does personal responsibility begin and end?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8514177/Billionaire-gambler-in-court-to-get-it-back

Billionaire with a gambling problem is claiming the casino took advantage of him by allowing him to gamble away huge amounts of money.

Supposedly he’s been diagnosed as a pathological gambler who can not control his urge to gamble. Supposedly the specific casino in question knew this – but allowed him to continue gambling.

What isn’t clear from the story is whether the casino was ever asked – by the man himself, or others – to bar him. If he didn’t specifically request the casino to exclude him, or limit him, how is it the casino’s problem?
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April 5, 2013 12:31pm
Manolo

Miss Dim, will you ever learn nobody is interested in your deranged, incoherent musings?
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April 5, 2013 12:37pm
Pete George

An interesting and thoughtful view from the left on Labour and Green election prospects.

My prediction? NZLP 35%, Greens 12%. I’m not even sure that the Greens will be part of the next Government. It could well be a minority LP/NZF with GP support on confidence and supply, because the continuous slippage in National’s vote since the last election will help shore up Winston and I believe Shearer will opt for the least challenging coalition partner, being the pragmatist that he appears to be.

It’s a long way out from the election but I think this is a realistic view from now. It could change depending on thiungs like how many bank accounts and friendly appointments are revealed.

But I still think the economy and unemployment will be the major factors.
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April 5, 2013 12:45pm
kowtow

graham

Because in today’s progressive world ,it’s always someone else’s fault.
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April 5, 2013 12:59pm
Manolo

A disappointment for the comrades from Labour and the Luddites, here and across the ditch: http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/16546555/no-evidence-to-lower-voting-age-report/
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April 5, 2013 1:21pm
Tom Jackson

Great to see that 30 Afghan interpreters and their families are to after Auckland intergration centre, to settle in Hamilton – approx 95 people in all (in June)

It is not great.

Hamilton has become a dumping ground for refugees from third world Islamic war zones, fast creating a ghetto within the city. They should be spread around a bit to encourage integration into NZ society.
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April 5, 2013 2:20pm
Komata

TJ
But they DON’T want to integrate into NZ society, They are Muslims over and above anything else and are guided by and owe allegiance to, allah and the koran first and foremost. To them WE in the West are inferior and beneath contempt. You may not understand, but their arrival here is a means to an end – New Zealand has provided the MEANS and by doing so, we’ve sown the seeds for our civilzations’ END! They do not care about NZ in the least!!! They DO care about world domintion (on their terms of course) and the return of the Caliphate. We have been warned, but many choose not to listen.

As itf that in itself wasn’t bad enough, it gets worse!! The Somali’s (especially the males) view EVERYONE irrsepective of who they are or from where as less than ANY Somali, which is why no other country would touch them as refugees. No-one of course except the muggins kiwi’s (under Labour from memory) and yes, where are most of the Somali’s located? You guessed it – Hamilton.

There’s nothing quite like sowing the seeds of our own self-destruction is there?
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April 5, 2013 3:58pm
cha

which is why no other country would touch them as refugees.

LMGTFY

Idiot.
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April 5, 2013 4:37pm
David Garrett

James Stephenson: (I have been doing others things today) You’re lucky you didn’t go to Dunedin at 8.30 pm in August…then you would have found it both shut AND frozen solid!

The shitiest place in the world I have ever spent any time is Aberdeen Scotland (grey granite is all very well if you’ve got central heating, but they didnt in 1976) and the second shitiest place is Dunedin. At least you can get a fast train out of Aberdeen every night!
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April 5, 2013 6:33pm
Komata

Cha

Unnecessary, but thank you anyway for expressing your opinion of me – very enlightening and I’m sure you are a lovely person as well.

BUT, have you bothered to read any articles about the things that a sector of that number (the 83,000 or so that have been admitted) have done, since they were let into the US? If you haven’t I would suggest you do so. You may even find it of interest; but then again….
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April 5, 2013 7:06pm
Reid

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8513218/Sterilise-smokers-comment-outrage

Maori Party co-leader and Associate Health Minister Tariana Turia said the comments were “absolutely appalling”, and the media had a responsibility to report them.

“We have always got to be aware we are leaders in the community and are expected to put aside our prejudices, which clearly he has got, and not make comments like that.”

Women’s Health Collective spokeswoman Jean Hera said the collective was shocked by the comment, saying even if the comment was “a slip”, it indicated racist thinking.

“It’s hugely hurtful.”

I wonder if these two people and all the other Maori groups who are “outraged” thought and said the same things when Hone called most of us “white mo-fo’s?” Or was that “different,” somehow?
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April 5, 2013 7:07pm
Pauleastbay

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/50725001

Film crirtic Roger Ebert dies. Above one of the best reviews I’ve ever read about possibly the worst movie ever made.
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April 5, 2013 7:08pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

For you.

Did Winston Churchil deliberately allow the Germans to bomb Coventry and cause the deaths of hundreds during WWII so as not to let them know that their codes had been broken.?
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April 5, 2013 7:18pm
Komata

Reid

Re: ‘I wonder if these two people and all the other Maori groups who are “outraged” thought and said the same things when Hone called most of us “white mo-fo’s?” Or was that “different,” somehow’

Of course they didn’t – do YOU recall any comments from them expressing ‘outrage’ at what Hone had said? No? There was none, because in private they actually agrees with what he said – and still do.

It’s all about image, and perception and expressing faux outrage when whitey says what he thinks, while taking him for all and everything that they cn.

But of course, you know that already.
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April 5, 2013 7:27pm
nasska

David G

You don’t think that their dour outlook on life may have something to do with their Scots heritage? I remember reading an article (by Warren Mitchell if I recall correctly) where he wrote, in humorous vein, that “The only luxury the early Otago settlers were permitted by The Free Kirk of Scotland was salt on their porridge.”

That & the fact that my maternal grandfather was from Dundee & he would have been the most miserable bastard ever given breath. 🙂
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April 5, 2013 7:29pm
Reid

Did Winston Churchil deliberately allow the Germans to bomb Coventry and cause the deaths of hundreds during WWII so as not to let them know that their codes had been broken.?

AFAIK Paul the Coventry raid was a result of a failure to detect the wavelength the Knickebein beam was using that night so instead of being jammed or bent as they had been on previous nights, the bombers got through that time. But I haven’t looked at the Enigma decrypts for that period so you could be right.

He certainly wasn’t above it.
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April 5, 2013 7:29pm
nasska

How it works in the USA.

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9kxoazk9vp7kqac/Welfare.jpg
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April 5, 2013 7:50pm
nasska

Doctor Ahmed had slept with one of his patients and felt guilty all day long.

No matter how much he tried to forget about it, he couldn’t.

The guilt and sense of betrayal was overwhelming. But every once in a while he’d hear an internal, reassuring voice in his head that said: “Ahmed, don’t worry about it. You aren’t the first medical practitioner to sleep with one of his patients and you won’t be the last. And you are not married. Just let it go.”

But then another voice in his head would bring him back to reality, whispering:…… “You are a bloody vet, you pervert.”
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April 5, 2013 8:00pm
Reid

I like Paul Roberts:

Will Assange be a replay of Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty who on November 4, 1956, sought asylum in the US embassy in Budapest as Soviet tanks poured into Hungary to put down the anti-communist revolution? Cardinal Mindszenty lived for 15 years in the US embassy. Today it is “freedom and democracy” amerika that is copying Soviet practices during the cold war.

In contrast with “freedom and democracy” US and UK, the “authoritarian,” “communist,” “oppressive” Chinese government when confronted with Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng’s defection to the US embassy in Beijing, let him go.

It is an upside down world when America and the British refuse to obey international law, but the Chinese communists uphold international law.

Insouciant americans are undisturbed that alleged terrorists are tortured, held indefinitely in prison without due process, and executed on the whim of some executive branch official without due process of law.

Most americans go along with unaccountable murder, torture, and detention without evidence, which proclaims their gullibility to the entire world. There has never in history been a population as unaware as americans. The world is amazed that an insouciant people became, if only for a short time, a superpower.

The world needs intelligence and leadership in order to avoid catastrophe, but america can provide neither intelligence nor leadership. America is a lost land where nuclear weapons are in the hands of those who are concerned only with their own power. Washington is the enemy of the entire world and encompasses the largest concentration of evil on the planet.

Where is the good to rise up against the evil?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/03/31/truth-is-offensive-paul-craig-roberts/

Interesting isn’t it how an ex-Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy in Reagan’s Administration now calls Washington “the enemy of the entire world” and says it “encompasses the largest concentration of evil on the planet.”

Whereas most of you from the comments you make seem to hallucinate it’s all simply business as usual and it’ll all be OK again when we get another Republican in the WH.

Yeah right.
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April 5, 2013 8:20pm
Viking2

What fun.

HACKERS have apparently broken into at least two of North Korea’s government-run online sites, as tensions rose on the Korean Peninsula.

The North’s Uriminzokkiri Twitter and Flickr accounts stopped sending out content typical of that posted by the regime in Pyongyang, such as photos of North’s leader Kim Jong-un meeting with military officials.

Instead, a picture posted on Thursday on the North’s Flickr site shows Kim’s face with a pig-like snout and a drawing of Mickey Mouse on his chest. Underneath, the text reads: “Threatening world peace with ICBMs and Nuclear weapons/Wasting money while his people starve to death.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/north-koreas-government-run-sites-hacked-amid-tensions/story-e6frg6so-1226613037611

Great pic here.
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April 5, 2013 8:56pm
CharlieBrown

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8513218/Sterilise-smokers-comment-outrage

It sounds like the comment the councillor said was taken way out of context by nitwit journalists and newspapers. I’ve also said similar things when showing the absurdity of some popular laws and policies, like:
1 – Lets ban moaris from buying alcohol, that demographic causes more issues with alcohol than under 20 year olds
2 – Lets ban parents of teenagers from buying alcohol, as they are the leading suppliers of alcohol to minors.
3 – Lets ban moaris from driving as they are statistically the most dangerous drivers

So many policies proposed by nearly all the parties in parliament… and especially the closet red nats are as absurd as that when you look at them logically. Its always funny seeing the lefties reactions when you explain that their policies are as bigoted and rational as those statements.
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April 5, 2013 9:16pm
Pauleastbay

I might have to change my views and admit there is such a thing as purgatory. Its called watching the Blues v Highlanders . If there was ever an ad for non-rugby, that was it . Only good thing is I didn’t go to the park and waste my dough, that was just awful viewing.
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April 5, 2013 9:31pm
Reid

V2 have a look at this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/03/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I’m vacillating on whether or not Kim Jong-Un really really means it, or not.

I posted a link weeks ago outlining an assassination attempt on him which is the only thing, really, which explains why NK started this whole thing up.

However I’ve been reading it to date as the Chinese, who IMO MUST have almost total, if not totally total, control over whether or not the nukes fly when Jong gives the order, just letting him have his day in the sun as the new, young NK leader and to let the West know that they mustn’t try things like that [assassination attempt]. I cannot believe this is going to end in an exchange and so far that’s what the west is playing it as, sending a defensive battery to Guam for example and nothing bellicose.

However I have a feeling we are watching a carefully planned out staged event with dangerous intent. I’m beginning to wonder if China hasn’t deliberately allowed Jong to design a situation aimed at getting the Joint Chiefs and Obama gathered in the Situation Room talking to NORAD and the B2 bombers.

I mean who knows. I wonder if anyone’s monitoring the Pentagon’s pizza orders, but I doubt they’d be stupid enough to do that again. These days, Pizza Hut’s probably got a franchise inside the building 🙂

But it’s not going away is it. The Anonymous hack is just another provocation in that context, a most unhelpful one at that considering the stakes.

Shame we’ll never know the real story, isn’t it. Unless we all live to 120.

Its called watching the Blues v Highlanders

Who are the Highlanders Paul? Is this another Gareth Morgan travesty but involving Mel Gibson this time?
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April 5, 2013 9:39pm
Viking2

Why POT will take control of containers in the north.

http://www.smh.com.au/tv/Documentary/show/Superships/Shanghai-Express-4340502.html
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April 5, 2013 9:41pm
niggly

@Charlie Brown 9.16

Yes taken out of context by the PC brigade.

Cr Bruce Wilson, I understand, is old-school Labour through and through and not the sort of person to be racist. Far from it. (I’ve met the guy).

I suspect he was simply exasperated at why certain sections of society (young women including Maori) continue to ignore “health warnings” and continue to smoke (and smoke around kids). He may have been attempting humour (he can be serious but also has a sense of humour) so it came out. According to reports he realised straight away that he made a mistake (that’ll be his Labour PC conditioning kicking in, lol) and offered his sincere apologies.

But of course a journo was there and has made a big issue of it because of course it goes against the PC indoctrination that the media abide by.

So I say to those who have said for him to stand down go get fcuked because none of them called for Hone Harawira to stand down after making derogatory comments against Europeans over the years (and Hone barely would ever apologise)!
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April 5, 2013 9:50pm
CharlieBrown

niggly

Hone is a r-tard but I did find the reaction to his comments pretty hypocritical. I knew alot of white people that had said similar things that went all high and mighty over his comments.

I’d be dissappointed if my daughter came home with a person that lived the maori culture as I think the culture is fake and savage, but I wouldn’t care if she came home with a person of maori descent. Likewise I’m sure hone wouldn’t care if his daughter came home with a white person brought up in a marea thats life goal was to rip off the dumb white government.

The political and social bias in our media is abhorrent. They are all indoctrinated twits.
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April 5, 2013 10:09pm
Reid

It’s all about image, and perception and expressing faux outrage when whitey says what he thinks, while taking him for all and everything that they cn.

The political and social bias in our media is abhorrent. They are all indoctrinated twits.

Yes they are.

And what will happen here is they will take a respected elder in his community with a long track record of good works and completely and utterly destroy him, for a mere slip of the tongue from which he immediately resiled. Whereas when Hone, a much younger man and a politician no less [who is therefore capable of fighting back and recovering] said “white mo-fos” and didn’t resile, the media left him quite alone, and just walked on by.

Abhorrent is the correct adjective. “Indoctrinated twits” is a bit too mild to describe what they are about to do, in tomorrow’s edition and over the weekend news cycle. I just hope someone at say, the Truth, gets to correct to imbalance. Of course it will be, too little, too late. But it will make the victim feel better, when one lone voice, comes out in his corner.
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April 5, 2013 10:27pm
Reid

On Syria, if Obama is so above board, how come he’s giving Al-Qa’ida thugs SEAL .50 cal sniper rifles?

Not just old ones, the latest models.

http://patdollard.com/2013/04/obama-sending-syrian-al-qaeda-navy-seals-sniper-rifles/

Any thoughts?

Er…

They hate our fweedom?

Let’s not worry about those little ole Syrian civilians, will we. They’re just ragheads anyway, right? No doctors, lawyers, you know, proper people, amongst the Syrian ~~women and children~~ ~~“govt” forces~~ ragheads who’ll be in this baby’s line of fire. Right?

I wonder what the people who died in the Twin Towers all those years ago would think of the President of the US who sends US SEAL weapons to people who shout “Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar” as they fire off those brand new weapons in a practice shoot before they try it on real flesh and blood.

After all, we’ll never “win” the ‘war on terror’ unless we give ~~Al-Qa’ida terrorists~~ our allies, these sorts of weapons, will we?
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