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General Debate 5 March 2013

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Pete George

I was invited to attend the ACT Southern Scenic Conference in Duneidn last Saturday which featured the two John Bs, Banks and Boscawen. It was very interesting and informative. Here are some of my impressions (more to follow):

Act I, John Banks – better than edited TV sound bite recitals.
Act II, John Boscawen – not as funny as Banks or as controversial as Hide but good communication.
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March 5, 2013 8:07am
RightNow

Bit early to Spondre General Debate isn’t it Pete?
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March 5, 2013 8:13am
hmmokrightitis

Bye bye Apple, Im over your stupidity.

Today I throw my iPhone and replace it, not with the 5, but with an HTC One X. Two android phones, one Telecom, one VF, Galaxy S3 for the Telecom – have to when they are both your clients 🙂

Apple, it was fun, but iOS 6 sucked the big kumera, and the maps debacle was the final straw. Mr Jobs will be turning in his grave at what youve become in such a short space of time.
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March 5, 2013 8:28am
Manolo

The Oracle of Wellington, the Kiwi Einstein, the I-know-it-all, is not entirely pleased: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8381560/People-swayed-on-Morgans-cat-plan
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March 5, 2013 8:43am
Pete George

RN – as usual for every vocal grizzler there are a lot of people who are silently interested.
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March 5, 2013 8:44am
Judith

Pete George (16,507) Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:07 am

I guess a party like Act would need more ‘Johns’ than most others, given the amount of ‘shyte’ they generate. 😉
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March 5, 2013 8:44am
Manolo

A beast to be set free: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8380576/Victim-says-violent-criminal-will-hurt-someone
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March 5, 2013 8:45am
Peter

Anyone know where the Might River Power pre-registration site is?
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March 5, 2013 9:01am
Keeping Stock

Very good Judith, albeit a little Brash 😀
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March 5, 2013 9:03am
Lipo

Demise of Solid Energy

There seems to be little debate or information in the media (was watching Campbell Live last night) asking why Solid Energy diversified into alternative energy sources and the low price for coal.
My thoughts were
1. Stories like this http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8380942/Protesters-take-on-Fonterra-over-coal have been run continuously in the Media. No thoughts as to how the story affects the Coal industry and jobs. Solid Energy would have been under a bit of pressure to diversify into other energy sources
2. How much money has Governments around the world thrown at “Green Energy” such as wind farms, solar power generation? How much money as our government subsidized alternative energy sources and then wonder why our coal industry goes tits up?
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March 5, 2013 9:05am
kowtow

Isn’t equality and the media/govt language control issue great?

Perusing my paper I see a Topp twin is to get “married” to her “fiancee”. Well that’s not possible as it’ a civil union.
Then “fishers” (not fishermen) are up to something or other.
And the photo of the 2 cops outside the Queens London hospital shows a tall man and a dwarf policewoman.(Equality allows females entry on a lower standard).
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March 5, 2013 9:07am
WineOh

Peter +1, I couldn’t find it either, perhaps it hits later today?
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March 5, 2013 9:09am
hj

Language learning should be mandatory

New Zealand has reached a rare level of diversity with 160 languages spoken by residents, but completely lacks a plan to harness the social and economic benefits of multilingualism, a paper released today says.

The Royal Society of New Zealand paper highlights that over the past two decades New Zealand has become a “superdiverse” country, with a level of cultural complexity far greater than previously experienced.
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The costs of a monolingual society were high, such as reduced international trade, weaker integration of immigrants, and the potential decline or loss of indigenous languages.

Royal Society vice-president of the social sciences and humanities Richard Le Heron said the research outlined a strong case for a national languages policy in New Zealand.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10869226

If the arguments are as strong as the interviewee on Morning Report state he didn’t make his case as far as I can see. He spoke of our unique setting with biculturalism and the Treaty of Waitangi. I smell an agenda here.
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March 5, 2013 9:10am
hj

I don’t suppose the humanities people would consider the formulation of a universal language as being a good idea…? No only a dummy would think of a thing like that!
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March 5, 2013 9:14am
ex-golfer

The website will be launched at 10.30am.
Your broker can also help and they are not allowed to charge brokerage fees.
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March 5, 2013 9:14am
Judith

Roger KS, I’m not one to Hide my feelings! 😉
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March 5, 2013 9:14am
Peter

Typical National standard of communication.

I see references to “the website” on their press release regarding Mighty River, but no URL anywhere.
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March 5, 2013 9:17am
ex-golfer

http://Www.governmentshareoffers.govt.nz
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March 5, 2013 9:20am
hj

Whenever I think of the Spoonley (“super diversity”) crowd I’m reminded of the paint department at Mitre 10. Here is the white pot which is no good until it is tinted (all the others are o.k).

Landmarks Professor Kenneth Cumberland:

Kings of the Tussock Country.
Bold young men drove sheep on to the vast grazing runs to found pastrol empires and land owing dynasties. Out of the wealth of the squatters’ wool clips, and from wheat when the tussock was ploughed, grew a city of scholarship, grace and dignity.

Spoonley:

One thing he is clear about is that the demographic changes set to occur in Christchurch could transform the city infamous for its white supremacist National Front movement. While Christchurch does have small ethnic enclaves, hosting lantern festivals for Chinese New Year and Diwali festivals for the Indian community, the scale of the anticipated migrant influx is unparalleled in its history.
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March 5, 2013 9:32am
RightNow

Pete: “RN – as usual for every vocal grizzler there are a lot of people who are silently interested”
Are they silently interested enough to visit your blog Pete? Because if they’re as interested as you think then why do you have to tout for business on KB?
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March 5, 2013 9:46am
hj

“The Oracle of Wellington, the Kiwi Einstein, the I-know-it-all, ”

he sure does his research. Perhaps you’d prefer something spewed out of Koch Central … “it’s all caused by greenies interfering with the market”?
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March 5, 2013 9:47am
Manolo

Anything is possible after the Messiah won it. Going downhill quickly: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8620918/malala-clinton-cited-as-nobel-candidates
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March 5, 2013 9:48am
graham

Anyone know what the details are around buying the Mighty River shares for your kids?

** Edit: Found the answer – yes you can. 🙂 **
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March 5, 2013 9:50am
hinamanu

ALL WARS ARE STARTED BY BANKERS

“The refusal of King George 3rd to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, was probably the prime cause of the revolution.” — Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/all-wars-are-started-by-bankers/
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March 5, 2013 9:51am
hinamanu

The Commander-in-Thief begs for more pork

http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/the-commander-in-thief-begs-for-more-pork.html

he actually talks about manufactured crises…thought that would be a no no to go public with
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March 5, 2013 9:52am
alex Masterley

Graham @ 9.50

The broker was prepped yesterday. Me and 2 kids will be in line for shares.
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March 5, 2013 9:53am
hinamanu

Port Royal, the pirate city

The biggest, richest English city in the New World of the 17th century was a place called Port Royal in Jamaica. An earthquake and tsunami destroyed it.

It was chartered by the British Crown specifically to serve as a base of operations for piracy against the Spanish.

Early New World history can be summed up in a few short sentences:

The Spanish stole from the Native people, the British stole from the Spanish, and when the gold and silver ran out, they started dealing in slaves and prison camp plantations.

It’s not as inspiring at the Pilgrim’s landing on Plymouth rock.

Alcoholic sadists committing crimes in the service of their governments while lining their own pockets. Kind of sounds like today’s CIA, doesn’t it?

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/hidden-history/the-british-crowns-biggest-business.html
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March 5, 2013 9:54am
iMP

For those who haven’t seen this yet, lift your day. Smeagol (Gollum) has launched a singing career. Just preciouss.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/smeagol-launches-precious-singing-career/
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March 5, 2013 9:58am
Pete George

RN – there’s this thing with the Internet where you have to let people known what you have. Even Whale and DPF do that through Facebook and Twitter. Many people just browse around, not everyone wants to restrict what’s on someone else’s blog to just what they want to see.

And people who are interested sometimes let you know, like:

ACT Party ‏@actparty
@PeteDGeorge Thanks for the considered posts. Fav line “He couldn’t afford me.”- Gold!

That was referring to: http://yournz.org/2013/03/05/act-ii-john-boscawen/
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March 5, 2013 10:01am
hj

@ hinamanu

“In the first half of the nineteenth century, however, individual iwi considered carrying their martial culture beyond the shores of New Zealand. At least three expeditions of conquest were planned: to Samoa, to Norfolk Island, and to the Chatham Islands, which did not become part of New Zealand until 1842. All these proposed expeditions were dependent on finding transport to those places: and that meant finding a European ship’s captain whose vessel was available for charter; or it meant Maori commandeering a vessel for the purpose.
In the event there were no expeditions to Norfolk Island or to Samoa because the necessary transport was not secured. But there was an invasion of the Chathams Islands. Two Taranaki tribes then based in Wellington, Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga ki Poneke, hijacked a European vessel in 1835 and had themselves—a total of 900 people—delivered to Chatham Islands. There they takahi’d or walked the land to claim it; ritually killed around 300 Chatham Moriori out of a total of around 1600, and enslaved the survivors—separating husbands from wives, parents from children, forbidding them to speak their own language or practise their own customs, and forcing them to violate the tapus of their culture, whose mana was based on the rejection of violence.
Was this a superior form of colonisation to that imposed by European on Maori? Did it respect the dignity and customs of the colonised? Did it acknowledge the mana whenua of the tchakat henu or indigenous people of the Chathams? It did not. It was what might now be called an exercise in ethnic cleansing. When Bishop Selwyn arrived in the islands in 1848, it was to discover that the Maori called Moriori “Paraiwhara” or “Blackfellas”; and it was to report that the Moriori population continued to decline at a suicidal rate as a consequence of kongenge or despair. Moriori slaves were not released and New Zealand law was not established on the islands until 1862, twenty years after they had become part of New Zealand. And it is that twenty years of neglect of fiduciary duty on the part of the Crown that is the basis for the Moriori claim to the Waitangi Tribunal, heard in 1994, but still not reported upon.
The point in raising the Chathams experience is not to use it as a stick with which to beat Maori—especially in view of what I have been saying about not visiting the sins of the fathers, or mothers, onto subsequent generations. I draw attention to it in the spirit of a historian who says, Take care. The evidence of history is unanimous on only one point. It shows us that no race or culture is inherently superior or inferior to another; and we all have skeletons in our ancestral closets that represent instances of behaviour of which we cannot be wholly proud by today’s standards of ethics and morality.
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March 5, 2013 10:11am
hj

Allegience to one ‘s origins
http://sof.org.nz/origins.htm
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March 5, 2013 10:14am
hj

Two Taranaki tribes then based in Wellington, Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga ki Poneke, hijacked a European vessel in 1835
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not very famous is it ? Of course one needs to remove one’s eye’s to see it all through the correct cultural perspective.
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March 5, 2013 10:16am
hj

@ hinamanu
I’m reading Into Africa (about Stanley and Livingstone). The Arab slave traders are afraid of the British and wont pass on Livingstone’s letters home as they threaten the slave trade.
http://www.amazon.com/Into-Africa-Adventures-Stanley-Livingstone/dp/0767910745
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March 5, 2013 10:23am
Keeping Stock

Judith said

Roger KS, I’m not one to Hide my feelings! 😉

There’s a lamington on its way to you; duck!
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March 5, 2013 10:28am
hj

“Behold: Two houses with adjoining backyards in suburban Orlando,” writes Angie Schmitt. “If you want to travel the streets from point A on Anna Catherine Drive to point B on Summer Rain Drive, which are only 50 feet apart, you’ll have to go a minimum of seven miles. The trip would take almost twenty minutes in a car, according to Google Maps.”
http://www.planetizen.com/node/60985
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March 5, 2013 10:31am
Pete George

MRP shares – get in early and you may get more shares.

Those who pre-register may be allocated up to 25 per cent more shares than people who do not pre-register, if demand exceeds shares available.

“The Government is committed to ensuring New Zealanders will be at the front of the queue for shares,” Mr English says.

“We’ve already announced that New Zealanders applying for up to $2000 of shares will be guaranteed that amount. However, if demand exceeds the number of shares available, then New Zealanders who request more than $2000 worth will have their bid scaled back.

“In that case, those who pre-registered may get up to 25% more shares than those who did not.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1303/S00055/incentive-for-kiwis-pre-registering-for-mrp.htm

Sounds reasonable, helps them evaluate demand and helps ordinary investors to get a decent share ahead of the big local and Australian buyers.
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March 5, 2013 10:40am
meh

Pre-register for your shares now :p

http://www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz/
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March 5, 2013 10:42am
hj

@ Pete George

His base philosphy was clear and simple – every child should have two things, unconditional love and a good education. If that can be provided it will flow through and address many problems. It’s something that may take generations to bear fruit but the end harvest is worth it.
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and he sees Aucklands population growth as a “great oppurtunity ” for his developer and investor friends and wants to take the chainsaw to the RMA so Bill the developer can build a high rise smack in front of Mildred the widow.

Peter Dunne will be their helping. Mr Sensible knows which side his bread is buttered on.
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March 5, 2013 10:44am
ex-golfer

http://Www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz
Here you go peeps.
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March 5, 2013 10:45am
Jack5

Swiss show the way for capitalism to go!

As well as making a fortune capping the Swiss franc, they have voted to cap all executive pay on Swiss registered companies. This follows Swiss banking giant, USB, having to be bailed out by the Swiss Government.

NZ could do much worse than follow Switzerland, given NZ’s bailout of finance companies, and the fiasco of Solid Energy, with its glut of high paid executives (especially annual millionaire Don Elder).

Redbaiter and libertarians will froth at this, but you have to admit the Swiss have been far better than NZ economically. While staying outside the EU, they have created an economy twice as big as NZ’s in GDP per capita.

If we take ACT as the nearest feasible choice for libertarians, you will find this party encompasses many decent and clever people, but also many frothers, like the Christchurch fanatics from the ZAP cult, an offshoot of Scientology. They fervently proclaimed the philosophy of mad Ayn Rand, but many of them had been through one or more business failures. I use the past tense, because I’m not sure if ZAP is still in existence. Dave Henderson was one of the principal sponsors of ACT in the south. His latest business belly ups cost creditors tens of millions, with the poor bloody taxpayer probably picking up some of the bill through guarantees of lenders.

Intelligently regulated capitalism is the way to go.

The Swiss cap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-editorialists-welcome-swiss-referendum-on-executive-pay-a-886741.html
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March 5, 2013 10:50am
graham

Bit slo-o-w trying to pre-register …
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March 5, 2013 10:51am
meh

@graham also the site bombs in google chrome (for me anyway). Still not too slow, registered me the mrs and the little one all in a few minutes 😀
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March 5, 2013 10:53am
Peter

Thx

Ah, the glorious state service. Shouldn’t this have defaulted to New Zealand as country of residence? 😉
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March 5, 2013 10:53am
Fletch

I posted this late yesterday (so not sure how many people saw), but thought it worth posting again.

Whenever anyone here says something to the effect that same-sex marriage will lead to polygamy, or multiple partners, we get shouted down and told the very idea is ridiculous – yet the very thing has been put forward in Australia – by a group whose leaders are also part of the Greens.

Someone just pointed out this blog post by Andrew Bolt on the Herald Sun page regarding what Liberal Senator Cory Bernadi said –

Senator Cory Bernardi was last year pilloried:

LIBERAL senator Cory Bernardi says he decided to resign as Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s parliamentary secretary for the good of the Coalition…

Speaking on a gay marriage Bill in Federal Parliament last night, Mr Bernardi said: “Time and time again the same characters seek to tear down our institutions that have been built and have sustained our civilisation for thousands of years. The time has come to ask: when will it end?

“What is the next step?

“The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society or any other type of relationship.”

Senator Bernardi went on to say accepting gay marriage could lead to accepting bestiality.

“There are even some creepy people out there and I say ‘creepy’ deliberately who are unfortunately afforded a great deal more respect than I believe they deserve,” he said.

Linking same-sex marriage to bestiality was offensive and a political howler. But in the Senate last week Bernardi gave fresh evidence suggesting his warning was well-founded when it came to polygamy:

Three weeks ago Sydney’s City Hub reported on the establishment of the Polyamory Action Lobby, or PAL… And sure enough, PAL recently started a petition which reads:

The House of Representatives For too long has Australia denied people the right to marry the ones they care about. We find this abhorrent. We believe that everyone should be allowed to marry their partners, and that the law should never be a barrier to love. And that’s why we demand nothing less than the full recognition of polyamorous families.

So here we have it: a polyamorist lobby group petitioning parliament to allow polygamous marriage. To some, five months ago this was inconceivable….

But who is behind the Polyamory Action Lobby? PAL’s president is Brigitte Garozzo. PAL’s spokesman is Timothy Scriven. And Kieran Adair is also one of PAL’s founders. And what do these militant polyamorists have in common? I will tell you. They are all associated with the Greens. Brigitte Garozzo, also known as Brigitte McFadden is listed as the contact officer for the New South Wales Young Greens at the University of Sydney. Timothy Scriven describes his political views as ‘anarchism and revolutionary libertarian socialism’, though the University of Sydney Greens Facebook page last year said:

Timothy Scriven is an active member of the Greens on Campus and on our executive…

Kieran Adair’s Twitter profile promotes the 2011 Greens New South Wales election campaign. Further, a ‘Kieran Adair’ said, on the New Matilda website when commenting on the 2011 annual Marxist conference, ‘I don’t identify as a socialist; I’m a Green.’…

Polyamorous marriage is on the agenda. Greens activists are now pushing publicly for it while other polyamorists are lying low, waiting to be the next cab off the rank—no doubt, I suspect, having been given a nod and a wink by other Greens, who are still advocating marriage for all.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/bernardi_dumped_yet_polyandrists_prove_him_right/

So there you have it.
Laugh all you want and say that just because there are arguments for same-sex marriage, that there won’t be for polygamist couplings. There’s a push for it in Australia, however, and it could happen here.
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March 5, 2013 10:54am
graham

Thanks meh, will keep trying.

I guess the Greens and Penny Bright didn’t have that much success turning people off!
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March 5, 2013 10:56am
hinamanu

ANONYMOUS RESPONDS To President Obama Saying That Hacktivists are ‘America’s enemies’ [VIDEO]

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/anonymous-responds-to-president-obama-saying-that-hacktivists-are-americas-enemies-video/
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March 5, 2013 10:58am
Fletch

So, Obama says he can’t afford to pay the sequester, but now he’s giving $450 Million to Egypt (essentially giving it to the Muslim Brotherhood, the enemy of the U.S)

Published March 03, 2013 Associated Press

CAIRO – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says the Obama administration is rewarding the Egyptian government with financial aid because of Cairo’s promises of economic and political reforms.

Kerry says the U.S. is providing $190 million immediately as part of a larger pledge of $450 million over time.

Kerry says the money reflects Egypt’s “extreme needs” and President Mohammed Morsi’s commitment to satisfying conditions to close a $4.8 billion package of International Monetary Fund loans.

Kerry also says that a separate $60 million is for a new fund to provide direct support to Egyptian entrepreneurs and young people.

The announcement of the aid came after Kerry’s meeting Sunday with Morsi.

Kerry is awarding them this money because of ‘promises’ of reform? Really? Why are politicians so stupid?
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March 5, 2013 11:01am
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

does anyone have any idea what the bonus for MRP shares might be?
I remember talk of it being after 3 years but cant find anything apart from a quick John Key comment
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March 5, 2013 11:03am
Redbaiter

Jack5

Like Singapore, Switzerland is not strictly a welfare state, that is why it is more successful. There is no national health service and most of the population is covered by voluntary health insurance.

There is also no central program to provide a minimum guaranteed income for all of the population (other than for the aged and infirm) as found in England, Norway, and Sweden.

Government policies have all but eliminated welfare dependency.

Its not hard to figure out why Switzerland works, its because the country is not like NZ burdened by a huge sector of society that is totally unproductive- ie welfare recipients and bureaucrats.
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March 5, 2013 11:08am
Peter

Ho ho

The webpage at http://www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
Error 103 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_ABORTED): Unknown error.

Piss up. Brewery.
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March 5, 2013 11:08am
Elaycee

Peter:

Piss up. Brewery.

I’ve just checked it – no problems.

Perhaps in your case its due to a disconnect between the keyboard and the data entry operator…
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March 5, 2013 11:18am
graham

Seems to be sporadic, and only one of the three confirmation emails has come through to me so far (me, wife, daughter). Probably due to a large number of Green supporters rushing to register their displeasure at the sale. 🙂
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March 5, 2013 11:24am
Peter

Yeah, Elaycee, like I just made up a 103 error 😉

When I ping it, there is a lot of packet loss. It’s flipping in and out under the load.

State “service”, eh. Haven’t they heard of Amazon EC2?
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March 5, 2013 11:25am
cha

There is no national health service and most of the population is covered by voluntary health insurance.

Arse, health insurance is compulsory in Switzerland and insurers are required to offer coverage to all citizens, regardless of age or medical history.
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March 5, 2013 11:28am
Pete George

and he sees Aucklands population growth as a “great oppurtunity ” for his developer and investor friends and wants to take the chainsaw to the RMA so Bill the developer can build a high rise smack in front of Mildred the widow.

It’s in front of Mildred the widow or on top of Mildred the cow.
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March 5, 2013 11:36am
Redbaiter

Learn to read fuckwit- the basic system is necessary unless you choose to upgrade, which is what most people prefer.

Interesting- one of the few times you offer a view of your own and you fuck it up completely.
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March 5, 2013 11:39am
Fletch

RB mentioned Sweden in passing a few posts ago, which reminds me of a post HERE that shows that the Socialists in Sweden are now more Capitalist than the U.S.

Sweden also managed to get it’s debt under control, according to The Economist (which is quoted in the above link) –

Sweden has also donned the golden straitjacket of fiscal orthodoxy with its pledge to produce a fiscal surplus over the economic cycle. Its public debt fell from 70% of GDP in 1993 to 37% in 2010, and its budget moved from an 11% deficit to a surplus of 0.3% over the same period.
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March 5, 2013 11:41am
cha

If you could read you’d know that there is no basic government system in Switzerland. If people resist purchasing their own insurance the state will buy a health plan on their behalf and send them the bill.
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March 5, 2013 11:45am
Redbaiter

Bottom line Cha- Switzerland works because like Singapore, there are no socialist preachers ensnaring the gullible (that’s you and most of NZ) with their phony evil and failed doctrine
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March 5, 2013 11:54am
Carlos

So, by default our media is predominantly left wing, but when a program strays from the default and only presents a “right wing” view on an issue, it breaches broadcasting standards. Terrible.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10869297
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March 5, 2013 11:56am
Redbaiter

Carlos- You are perfectly correct.

The BSA is just the plaything of progressives. A fake and hypocritical sop to the fucking whining bitching loser commie totalitarians in our midst. It is a disgrace, and this decision shows why.
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March 5, 2013 12:03pm
cha

Bottom line is – Switzerland works because like Singapore citizens accept and follow state proscribed mandates.
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March 5, 2013 12:03pm
Redbaiter

Hahha.. and NZ of course, being the failed socialist state that pseudo liberals like you have made it, is completely devoid of “state proscribed mandates”.

Go back to links Cha- you’re hopeless in your own words.
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March 5, 2013 12:05pm
Fletch

More on the Polyamory Action Lobby just set up in Australia –

The lobby contends there is no reason adults should not be able to form committed relationships with more than one person, and there is no evidence that smaller families are any better off.

“Polyamory often isn’t a choice; if people love more than one person, they can’t help it,” the spokesperson said. “Even if they could [choose], why would it matter?”
As far as the law is concerned, the lobby said the government should not have the right to restrict consenting adult relationships based on love and respect.

“The legal, health and financial protections enjoyed by a spouse in a monogamous relationship must be extended to all partners in a family,” the spokesperson said. “A family should be about security, stability and love; not about its structure.”

http://www.altmedia.net.au/polyamorists-get-organised/69802

All sounds very nice and inclusive doesn’t it.
I can think of any number of reasons “why it would matter”.

Here is their Petition to the House of Representatives and their Facebook page.

They have a comment on their page by Cory Bernardi –

“It is worth noting that in the Netherlands the first civil union of three partners was registered in 2005. It is naive and wrong to think that the same push will not come to Australia.”

To which the Facebook admin replies –

Couldn’t agree more – thanks for your support patriot!
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March 5, 2013 12:10pm
cha

I know you’re terrified of what that world contains and RB and constantly fearful but I suppose a shrunken and semi functional frontal lobe, responsible for logic, reasoning, and self-control, leaves you with no option but to behave like a toddler.
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March 5, 2013 12:47pm
Manolo

The complete waste of space the UN is: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8621077/us-calls-on-un-to-bar-drunken-diplomats
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March 5, 2013 12:51pm
Redbaiter

Cha, you just said that the reasons for Singapore and Switzerland’s success was that they followed the state’s dictates. Presumably as Catholics follow the dictates of the pope. Yet here in NZ we have a surfeit of dictates from the state, and yet everything is mush. So the key to success cannot be the dictates of the state.

In fact in Switzerland, it is the localisation of government that is the key. Here is an example. (maybe you can cogitate on it when you get over draeaming up childish off the point insults. As I said, maybe you should give up on self expression entirely and just stick with links to other people’s work)

Solo mothers-

Officials from this ultra-small local government will come and investigate your individual circumstances. The father will be expected to pay. The mother’s family, if it is in a position to, will be expected to house and pay for her. As a last resort, the young mother will be given assistance by the commune. But the people who pay the local commune taxes will be paying part of the cost. You can imagine that they will not be thrilled at paying for a birth or separation that need never have taken place. Putting yourself in the position of the mother — and perhaps the father — you can imagine that you will be embarrassed as you pass people in the street who are paying for your baby. Instead of feeling you have impersonal legal rights, as in Britain, you are taking money from people you might meet at your local café. No wonder unmarried parenting is less common.

A similar system applies if you need means-tested benefits. Those made redundant receive, for a while, generous unemployment insurance payments from the cantonal governments. But once these payments run out, people depend again on their local commune. You would be cautious of claiming fraudulently because, if you worked in the black economy, your chances of being spotted would be high. And so it is that Switzerland has the second highest rate of male employment in the OECD. Britain’s rate is about 50 per cent worse.
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March 5, 2013 12:54pm
hinamanu

World economy to bear burden of Washington’s sequester

From Fiscal Cliff to Sequester

Published on Mar 2, 2013

Austerity has hit the United States as President Barack Obama signed into law a directive ushering in significant cuts to federal agencies’ budgets and triggering the sequester that has been debated in Washington during the last several weeks. Automatic cuts will slash Washington’s military and domestic spending by 85 billion dollars in 2013.

RT’s Gayane Chichakyan takes a look at why this could prove a headache in the US and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4osqnRsQUKo
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March 5, 2013 1:03pm
hinamanu

Truth on Trial: ‘Manning did amazing service to people’

Published on Mar 1, 2013

U.S. army whistleblower Bradley Manning could get 20 years in prison for what he describes as an attempt to reveal ‘the bloodlust’ and disregard for human life in the American military. Manning pleaded guilty to 10 lesser charges out of 22 he’s facing for the biggest leak of state secrets in U.S. history.

Former MI5 agent Annie Machon says Manning has done the people a great service, at least to those who struggled to reveal the truth behind U.S. helicopter attacks in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ktb_4nMyf8
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March 5, 2013 1:06pm
Pete George

Warning on the Share Float from someone who may not be a business expert:

Given the proximity of these events – Mighty River float, Solid Energy collapse – it’s a little weird that the opposition aren’t more focused on the fact that the government is giving New Zealanders terrible investment advice that could cost them a lot of money. I guess the objection to the sale has always been in economic nationalist terms, so it would sound odd if they turned around and told kiwis not to invest in these assets. But it seems like someone should.

http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/the-elephant-in-the-river/

Most advice I’ve seen is that it is likely to be a sound investment. There’s a reason why MRP is the SOE being floated, not Solid Energy.
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March 5, 2013 2:14pm
axeman

Never mind the CAGW hoax maniacally promoted down here by the ALARMISTS’ useful stoner idiot, in Europe they are seeing another Doomsday scenario

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/ice-world-record-snowfalls-inundates-cities-across-the-globe/

“It’s quite simple. We are within the transitionary period of entering into the next Ice Age.

I’m not trying to convince anyone. If you know how to discern truth from fiction, I suggest you do your own research, read the scientific journals. See what Russia’s most prominent scientific team had to say after returning from Siberia where they studied the permafrost in January 2013. I’ll give you a hint…Methane cometh!

Ask yourself, why this may be the first time you’ve heard a “crack pot” suggest an Ice Age as opposed to all of the other theories that have been targeted at you. Well, “they” are good at keeping reality from you and giving you something else to experience.

Godspeed from Northern Finland!”
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March 5, 2013 2:18pm
Ross12

What a sham. A Public Servant resigns and gets severance pay ??

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/16297469/more-than-400k-pay-out-for-longstone/

Fair enough to get outstanding holiday pay etc but if you resign thats it. Or is severance pay, code for she was pushed out –if thats the case Rennie should honest and say so.
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March 5, 2013 2:25pm
Griff

Axenuckle you really are a prime fucknuckle are you not.
Warmer air carries more moisture if it is above 0 it falls as rain if its bellow 0 it falls as snow.
Hence in cold places global warming = more snow.
Moscow has had record snow as well as warm for them -1 not -10 temperatures.
Still you morons keep me laughing 😆 keep on spinning nutters.
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March 5, 2013 2:27pm
Left Right and Centre

comment designed to cause you outrage:

my job seeking efforts today:

firstly; the potential employer tells me the company life story- um yeah- maybe if I’m being paid to care about that I’ll listen to it but anyway-

then:

employer: you’re not afraid of hard work, are you?
me: yes, yeah actually I am.
employer: well, mumble mumble ‘not right for this kind of…’ mumble something *see you later*

I run and lift weights and I know what hard paid work feels like too.

Wasting my time mate!! Far out.. make an offer… and what am I getting in return for my back-breaking painstaking honest days drudgery driving a truck sharing space with a road full of spazturds? It might be worth the wage rate.. I’ll never know if they won’t tell me what they’re paying (even though you’ve got an idea of the pay range).

These cunts want perfect squeaky clean highly productive humanoids…. so you want good workers, but how does the old saying go? You get what you pay for. Next interview that’s the first thing I’m going to say when the topic of remuneration comes up. You get what you fucking pay for. Pay peanuts.. you get monkeys. Pay a decent wage? You might just motivate people to work hard and be super perfect and satisfied.

You’re not scared of hard work are you? And you’re not scared of paying a good wage in return, are you? Fuck me.. next time is when I’ll let that line rip. Next time. Are you prepared to work hard and do this this and this at all times? I’ll say… you get what you pay for… so what are you paying? I’m here for $$ and that’s fuckin it. There aint no other reason to turn up to some shitarse deadend prison sentence.
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March 5, 2013 2:32pm
Left Right and Centre

And now thanks to Redbaiter I’ve just got to try and better understand what exactly and definitively ‘progressives’ are meant to be and all they entail and encompass….

I had no idea I knew and used the word encompass…. what a great word too….
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March 5, 2013 2:44pm
Redbaiter

Progressives in all of their unshackled glory-

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/how-the-democrats-destroyed-detroit/
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March 5, 2013 3:36pm
bhudson

A Labour MP complaining about a ‘golden handshake’…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8383970/Education-boss-425-000-golden-handshake

Now that’s rich!!
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March 5, 2013 3:53pm
publicwatchdog

BOYCOTT THE MIGHTY RIVER POWER SHARE LAUNCH!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151278679961790&set=pcb.10151278680136790&type=1&theater

MIGHTY RIVER POWER IS A SOCIALLY AND FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT!

Hi Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?

“Press Release, Molly Melhuish, Energy Analyst
22 February 2013

Prospective investors are warned

Investors are warned that Mighty River Power is no longer a safe, utility-type investment prospect.

For years, New Zealand’s generator-retailers enjoyed a predictable revenue stream from captive residential consumers. This enabled them to build so many new power stations that there is now a glut of wholesale electricity. Wholesale prices have fallen by a quarter or even more.

Mighty River Power’s power purchase costs fell by 22% in the last six months, yet they hiked retail prices by 2%. They had to, to maintain the dividend stream expected by their shareholder.

Residential consumers will no longer tolerate rising prices at a time when wholesale prices are falling. This is not market pricing, it is price gouging of captive consumers.

Investors are warned that consumers dispute the pricing process that made our prices rise “to enable new generation to be built”, but fails to give us the benefit of market pricing in an electricity glut.

Ends
Contact: 04 568 4873, 027 230 5911

Yours sincerely,”
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Forwarded in the public interest.

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
A Spokesperson for the Switch Off Mercury Energy group.
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March 5, 2013 4:20pm
RRM

Thanks for the investment advice Penny!

😆 LOL
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March 5, 2013 4:23pm
Pete George

Green MP Jan Logie has blogged:

Welfare cuts challenged by the UN

“UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights and the working group on discrimination against women are warning the cuts could have a detrimental effect on the human rights of up to 100,000 Australians, and could be contrary to some of Australia’s international obligations.”

Last year, New Zealand was also warned that the National Government’s welfare reforms amount to discrimination. The UN committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights said that the last round of welfare changes were inconsistent with international obligations and that the Government should reconsider work tests for single parents with children over five.

The Minister said she would consider the committee’s recommendations but clearly decided her view was more valid than that of the panel of international human rights experts, because nothing changed.

The next wave of welfare reforms, about to be reported back from select committee, raised several more breaches of human rights. Enforcing a ‘social obligation’ on beneficiary families is discrimination on the basis of employment and family status, and as I have written previously breaches UNCROC multiple times.

Further, the drug testing in the proposal is potentially inconsistent with the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure and the right to refuse medical treatment. I also have grave concerns about whether the changes will also be inconsistent with the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities.

Does the UN scrutunise all our legislation? Or does someone in New Zealand advise them of anything they think thjere could be an issue with?

Maybe the Greens wil find a part of the UN that will tell us not to part sell assets.

This raises issues about democracy and sovereignty, as well as the logistics and time involved in getting any potentially contentious legislation checked out by an international body that may or may nor be familiar with New Zealand law and parliamentary practices.
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March 5, 2013 5:15pm
Elaycee

Update from Stuff’s online poll: Rate the Government’s plan to partially sell Mighty River Power:

It’s good – I’ll be buying shares: 3181 votes, 61.6%

It’s good – but I won’t/can’t afford to buy shares: 432 votes, 8.4%

It’s bad – not the right time to float Mighty River Power: 103 votes, 2.0%

It’s bad – I oppose state asset sales: 1445 votes, 28.0%

Total 5161 votes

Mmmm – this poll is hardly scientific, but it indicates 70% support…. so what happened to the claim that ~80% of voters were against partial asset sales?

😀
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March 5, 2013 5:42pm
stigie

Just looked at a poll on Stuff.co.nz

People who want or are going to buy shares in MRP 60.6%
People who oppose the asset sales in MRP 28.0%

Well, what do you say to that you Lefties !!
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March 5, 2013 5:42pm
ex-golfer

Sorry Penny
Over 60% of New Zealanders disagree with you according to today’s Stuff poll.
But thanks for attempting (failing) to drive the price down – it simply means I’ll get more shares for my money!
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March 5, 2013 5:44pm
ex-golfer

http://www.dimpost.wordpress.com
Is that Penny’s new blog? The name is quite appropriate 🙂
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March 5, 2013 5:54pm
axeman

Oh dear GRIEF. instantaneous frothing at the mouth. AGAIN. 🙂 In fact my post was alluding to the fact that while ALARMIST useful idiots like you and your deceitful “conspirawhacky” “nutters” at Sceptical Science fester your global warming hoax theory, there are others at the opposite end of the spectrum who are predicting an upcoming Ice Age.

However then we had your ‘Stoner’s Guide To Scientific Analysis’
“Warmer air carries more moisture if it is above 0 it falls as rain if its bellow 0 it falls as snow. Hence in cold places global warming = more snow”

Was that a result of one of your 4th form science experiments gwiffy? 🙂

Meanwhile in the adult world, a scientific paper was published in this February’s Journal of Climate that found warmer temperatures cause less snow, and conversely, colder temperatures cause more snow. According to the authors, “Using a simple multivariate model, [increased] temperature is shown to drive these trends by decreasing snowfall almost everywhere.” The paper refutes the claims of climate alarmists that global warming causes more snow.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/new-paper-finds-warming-causes-less-snow.html

Of course griffucknuckle is not the only ALARMIST nutjob blaming the FREEZING WINTERS on global warming. It seems that every time they get some snow, another “scientist” is wheeled out to explain that, no matter how cold it gets, it is all down to global warming

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/19599/Climate-Astrology-Blizzard-blamed-on-global-warming-Is-there-any-weather-event–that-is-inconsistent-with-global-warming–Climate-Depot-Round-up
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March 5, 2013 5:57pm
ex-golfer

Hypocrisy watch: Was on bus home today and on hopped Dr (?) Russell Norman, dressed in jeans, suede boots and a hippy looking shirt. Obviously a busy day at the office.
Anyway – he was with some guy in a suit who kept going on about 8 years of his life wasted on the climate change myth.
Russell then proclaimed his distress for the people of Northland and the Waikato for suffering under the struggles of a drought.
Excuse me? This from the leader of a party that opposes any irrigation plan that is developed to feed much required water to the food/export producing farms of these regions.
What a tosser.
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March 5, 2013 6:23pm
Pete George

so what happened to the claim that ~80% of voters were against partial asset sales?

As far as I could see that was unsubstantiated. I asked someone from Colmar Brunton and he had no idea where the 80% came from either, except from Shearer and Cosgrove.
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March 5, 2013 6:40pm
Kea

axeman, Griff has totally lost it, if indeed he ever had it. He is telling us warm weather makes it snow and has just thrown his hat in with those who reckon cops don’t give bad buggers a bit of a beating from time to time. He seems to be getting worse too ! 🙂
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March 5, 2013 6:53pm
Pete George

“He is telling us warm weather makes it snow”

That has some truth to it – clear settled anticyclonic weather is colder than snow weather. It’s not unusual to have very cold frosty weather and then for it to warm up and snow.

After a very cold frosty period it often gets unusually warm prior to snow here as the trailing perimeter of an anticyclone draws warmer air from the tropics before being hit by a cold front coming up from the south – which is not as cold as the frosty weather that may precede it and often follows it as the weather settles and clears again.
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March 5, 2013 7:10pm
Reid

Even though I’m a firm conservative, this is food for thought. I recall a colleague telling me in the 90’s the wealth distribution across the world was around what it was in France during the French Revolution. In the 90’s. It’s just got worse since then and the thinking person, who seem increasingly rare, might wonder if this is a good thing, or a bad thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM&feature=player_embedded
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March 5, 2013 7:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

Misinformation. Warmer weather makes it snow.

Well of course it does,if you live in Anchorage. How the fuck can it snow at -30 deg C? They have been waiting for the warming.
Fur Rondy, Iditarod that sort of stuff
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March 5, 2013 7:43pm
Redbaiter

“I asked someone from Colmar Brunton and he had no idea where the 80% came from either, except from Shearer and Cosgrove.”

80% of statistical claims are made up on the spot.
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March 5, 2013 7:43pm
axeman

“That has some truth to it – clear settled anticyclonic weather is colder than snow weather. It’s not unusual to have very cold frosty weather and then for it to warm up and snow. ”

That’s not actually the way Sarah B. Kapnick and Thomas L. Delworth from Princeton University and NOAA/Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Princeton, New Jersey, see it in their paper ‘Controls of Global Snow Under a Changed Climate’ published in the Journal of Climate 2013
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/new-paper-finds-warming-causes-less-snow.html

Never mind it is not only the snow that we have to worry about Pete. A new Ice Age is approaching 🙂

In Antarctica the sea ice area anomaly has been increasing at a rate of half a million km² per year. If this alarming trend continues, the planet will be completely covered with Antarctic ice in 1,000 years. And the Australian coral reefs will freeze to death in less than 300 years. 🙂
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644439_417712038319498_230174936_n.jpg

For every scary piece of data held up by ALARMISTS as proof of man-made global warming, it seems a bit of contrary evidence is uncovered — and, of course, is ignored. Let’s see what Antarctica is telling us. http://www.thegwpf.org/antarctic-ice-planet/

And this should be required viewing material for all the ALARMIST crybabies howling and screaming about a bit of global warming!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdK6zbPnHw4
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March 5, 2013 7:43pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8x7tasmwd00qqx/The-Carbon-Tax-Explained.png?m
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March 5, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

A Beginners’ Guide to Public Service Policy………

Start with a cage containing five monkeys.

Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set
of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the
stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as
he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with
cold water.

After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the
same result – all the monkeys are sprayed with cold water.
Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs,
the other monkeys will try to prevent it and beat him up.

Now, turn off the cold water. Remove one monkey from the
cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees
the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise
and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After
another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries
to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and
replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs
and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the
punishment with enthusiasm.

Again, replace a third original monkey with a new one.
The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked
as well.

Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they
were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are
participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys,
all the monkeys that have been sprayed with cold water
have been replaced. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again
approaches the stairs. Why not?

Because as far as they know that’s the way it’s always
been around here.

And that’s how Public Service policy developed.
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March 5, 2013 7:59pm
Kea

nasska (5,804) Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
A Beginners’ Guide to Public Service Policy………

You are 100% correct. I work in the dam thing myself and have to live it every day.
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March 5, 2013 8:03pm
Griff

The National Snow & Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which tracks sea ice using satellite data, explains on its website why Antarctic ice has weathered global warming more robustly than Arctic ice. Goddard dismisses the explanation, concluding instead, “Antarctic and Arctic ice move opposite each other. NSIDC’s dissonance about this is astonishing.”

Despite its lack of scientific support, Goddard’s post has garnered attention around the Web. In a Forbes.com column about the record high Antarctic sea ice, skeptic James Taylor writes, “Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.”
Just google your rubbish axenuckle and any one with half a brain can see your bullshit.
Still if you dont like science why dont you go join a cult
and take squawky with you please
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March 5, 2013 8:09pm
nasska

Kea

I pity you. It’s a pain having to remember that it’s a waste of time taking it out on the poor bastards who have to front the public. It’s the useless feather bedding arseholes further up the food chain who set the standards.
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March 5, 2013 8:11pm
big bruv

So almost half way through the term of this Parliament and amid much faux fanfare can anybody tell me one thing that Mojo Mathers has done in her time as a highly overpaid public servant?

She is a hopeless MP and a complete waste of space and money.
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March 5, 2013 8:13pm
Jack5

What a joke! The troll, Kea, posts about the public service at 8.03:

… I work in the dam thing myself and have to live it every day…

Kea’s squawking on Kiwiblog for much of the day, so he’s either a lazy, clock-watching work dodger or he’s bullshitting about working for the public service.
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