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Pete George

graham, we dont have a murder culture, that vast majority are aware that murder is (almost) totally unacceptable.

But we do have an entrenched violence culture, which contributes to both murder and sexual crime.
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March 26, 2013 12:38pm
dime

PG – do we have a problem with sexual violence? yes.

do we have a rape culture? NO!
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March 26, 2013 12:52pm
dime

From Wikipedia:

Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone rape.

oh yeah, that sounds like NZ. Idiot.
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March 26, 2013 12:53pm
Kea

Kea (2,793) Says:

March 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am
PG, given that gays are part of our [rape] culture, do you not think that kids are at risk of gay rape ?

Or do you take the position that gays are not part of our culture and therefore are separate from all us straight rapists ?

There is some precedent here, as straight men can not adopt girls, as they are assumed to be rapist peodophiles on the sole basis of their sexuality
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March 26, 2013 12:58pm
graham

graham, we dont have a murder culture, that vast majority are aware that murder is (almost) totally unacceptable.

And I would say that the vast majority are also aware that rape is totally unacceptable.

So, we don’t have a rape culture.

Good. Glad that’s sorted.
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March 26, 2013 1:04pm
Pete George

Kea – obviously kids are at risk of gay rape.

And they are far more at risk of hetero rape, and same sex violent rape (where the rapist is not gay, just inflicting violence and extreme indignity).

I haven’t seen claims or statistics that our prison population is significantly disproportionately gay.
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March 26, 2013 1:06pm
Pete George

And I would say that the vast majority are also aware that rape is totally unacceptable.

Where’s your statistics?
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March 26, 2013 1:08pm
Manolo

No loss to civilisation: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8632288/ousted-central-african-leader-in-cameroon
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March 26, 2013 1:17pm
liarbors a joke

another fun loving peaceful native makes the news..

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8632444/hamilton-police-looking-for-attacker
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March 26, 2013 1:17pm
Kea

Pete George, what is your view on straight men not being allowed to adopt girls, on the basis of their sexuality ?

How does that compare with your view that same sex couples be allowed to adopt same sex kids ?
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March 26, 2013 1:24pm
Manolo

P.G., how and when did you acquire your profound anti-male bias?
Did a feminist brainwashyou? Too many Germaine Greer books, maybe?
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March 26, 2013 1:26pm
RRM

6,666 comments.

I am the mark of the beast, tenfold. 😈

It’s been a fun ten years.
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March 26, 2013 1:27pm
noskire

164/6 – could be over by tea.
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March 26, 2013 1:27pm
graham

Pete, until you provide statistics to justify your claim that “New Zealand has a rape culture”, I don’t see why I should provide my statistics.

You continue to claim that there is a rape culture, but you STILL have not justified this in any way. You have quoted the various figures that show that rape happens – which I think most people know – but this does NOT necessarily mean there is a culture which encourages it in New Zealand.

You’ve now added to this claim with another one; namely, that we have an “entrenched violence culture”. Again, where is your proof?

Some weeks ago you stated that I don’t know a thing about you, and who you are. Which is true to a degree – obviously, you choose to reveal quite a lot about yourself via your comments on blogs, the profile that you provided when you stood for election, and other write-ups about you. But this works both ways, Pete – you know very little about me, and even less about the approximately 4,460,000 people that you have never met in any way. So how you can claim that these people are all part of a “rape culture” when you know nothing about them is beyond me.
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March 26, 2013 1:29pm
MT_Tinman

noskire (686) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
164/6 – could be over by tea.

As long as it’s over before stumps.
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March 26, 2013 1:33pm
Pete George

graham – that’as a copout.

Kea – you’re making things up, I haven’t expressed any views about adoption.
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March 26, 2013 1:37pm
Redbaiter

Interesting stats on rape per country-

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
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March 26, 2013 1:37pm
Kea

Manolo (9,325) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
P.G., how and when did you acquire your profound anti-male bias?

Manolo, guys like PG do not know how to relate to women as fellow humans. He holds them to different standards than he does men. He does not hold them accountable and will always side with a women, regardless of how flawed her behaviour or thinking is.

This is a learned behaviour that he has developed to draw the attention of females, as he lacks the social skills to engage them in any other way. Women are happy to have doormats around, but seldom take them seriously or regard them as romantic prospects, unless they are lacking in confidence and feeling fragile.

I happily come across as a misogynistic pig, yet women seek my advice and company, as I am happy to accept them as fellow humans and not place them on some artificial moral high ground they have not earned. In other words they can be themselves and feel accepted. PG does not get that.
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March 26, 2013 1:37pm
Kea

Pete George (16,857) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
graham – that’as a copout.

Kea – you’re making things up, I haven’t expressed any views about adoption.

Gosh, terribly sorry old chap !

I invite you to answer the question anyway …
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March 26, 2013 1:39pm
Pete George

Very funny Kea at 1.37 pm, except that you actually seem to be serious.

Do you know me in real life? Or are you making all that up? Again.
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March 26, 2013 1:42pm
Weihana

flipper (1,428) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

That is the fundamental problem. How such folk choose to describe their relationship is their affair. But, the children, the children…..

The children! The children! O won’t SOMEONE think of the children!

This is the screeching catch-cry of every fear-monger whose deficiency in rational discourse is more than compensated by their ability to generate irrational fear with prejudice and bigotry. The utilization of children as an instrument of fear is not new. Whether it’s the war on drugs or the war on (adult) pornography, no one wants to be considered anti-children and such appeals to fear and emotion are effective means to have society adopt irrational policies.

Kleva Kiwi (71) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

All I am saying is that the optimum environment for a child to be raised is by a mother and father.

Supporting such fear-mongering is the fallacious concept of “optimum environment” where we do not dare discuss children in the real world, but rather we enter the world of make believe where one can conjure up an “optimal environment” by sheer imagination alone.

If one’s mum and dad pollutes their brain with idiotic ideas like healing with prayer or creationism, at least they have their mum and dad. If one’s mum and dad fails to provide adequate care and nutrition.. well at least they aren’t gay. If one’s mum and dad doesn’t vaccinate the child may suffer horrible consequences… but at least their parents aren’t gay. If one’s mum and dad lets them roam the streets at night they may be at risk from all sorts of harm… but at least their parents aren’t gay.

All the high-minded rhetoric cannot obfuscate the fact that religious nutbars, the likes of which populate this forum, have little interest in the real issues that face children. All they care about is dicks in bums because it grosses them out (presumably) and God forbids it.
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March 26, 2013 1:43pm
Kea

PG, No I don’t have clue who you are. It was a best guess, but I am glad it gave you a laugh 😉

I was rather gentle with you, given your smear that we are all part of a rape culture. That sort of thing comes from the nutty fringe of feminism and most women would not agree with you.
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March 26, 2013 1:45pm
graham

So if I don’t provide statistics, it’s a copout, but when you don’t provide statistics we’re all still supposed to just accept your proclamation that there is a rape culture without question? And if we do question you, that’s somehow “proof” of the rape culture?

Logic fail.
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March 26, 2013 1:47pm
Kea

Weihana, why can’t men adopt little girls, on the basis of their sexuality ?

I am hearing very little comment about that…
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March 26, 2013 1:51pm
Pete George

graham, I provided statistics some statistics – because you kept asking for them. So it’s hypocritical to now avoid backing up your statement.

I haven’t said that anyone should “just accept my proclamation”. I was provoking discussion, and seems to have worked.

And I don’t believe I’ve said “there is a rape culture without question”. Of course there are many questions to ask about this, that’s why I raised the issue.
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March 26, 2013 1:57pm
graham

The way I read this comment, Pete, you most certainly did say that there is a rape culture without question.

Pete George: There’s been a lot of prof of rape culture at KB yesterday and today, mostly by examples of abuse, denial, diversion and minimisation of the problem.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/07/rape-culture-were-living-in-it/#comment-1673

Also, on YourNZ you state that “That’s an example of rape culture. Sad to say I’ve experienced that sort of thing, I’ve lived in it. I’ve seen it – and am still seeing it on Kiwiblog yesterday and again today where playing down rape and joking about rape continues.”

And you HAVE NOT provided any statistics, proof, or evidence that there is a rape culture! Why is it so hard for you to grasp this? Providing statistics about rape DOES NOT PROVE that there is a rape culture.
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March 26, 2013 2:01pm
graham

Another comment by Pete George, in response to a debate about the supposed problem of men shutting down debate about rape culture.

Go over to Kiwiblog and challenge them. Challenge them wherever you see it.

You’re unlikely to change the minds of the loudest and most aggressive, but there are many more readers (most don’t want to put themselves in front of the levels of abuse that can occur) and if some of the silent readers understand the problems better then you are making progress.

If you remain civil in the face of (sometimes extreme) abuse and provocation the frustrated abusers are more likely to discredit themselves than you.

We’re dealing with attitudes that have been entrenched for millenia, don’t expect instant reform, but be determined to achieve improvement.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/07/rape-culture-were-living-in-it/#comment-1385

I’m sorry, Pete, but it’s very difficult for me to read these comments and then accept that you honestly don’t believe that “there is a rape culture without question”, and that you’re open to discussion. The way it comes across to me is that your mind is closed on this topic.
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March 26, 2013 2:15pm
graham

Finally, if you want some statistics, here they are. Using your figures from the police, 3448 sexual crimes were recorded in 2011-2012. That means that approximately 99.9% of the entire population DIDN’T commit a sexual crime during this period.

Hence, the obvious conclusion is that New Zealand’s culture is heavily weighted AGAINST sexual crime. There is no rape culture.
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March 26, 2013 2:24pm
Manolo

There is no rape culture.

Of course there is not. Only an enfeebled mind would claim otherwise.
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March 26, 2013 2:31pm
Redbaiter

Many people regard PG as a model of good behaviour within the blogosphere.

I don’t.

Too many times I have seen him make sly unsubstantiated and cowardly smears.

And when challenged, try and slime his way out of it.

I don’t like him at all.
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March 26, 2013 2:37pm
Harriet

A couple of years back, the second year males at Yale University followed the ‘freshmen’ girls around campus on their very first day, with placards that read:

At Yale NO means YES and YES means in the arse! 😎
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March 26, 2013 3:24pm
Pete George

Devastating Red, repeating what you’ve been saying for years. But I’m not a gay fascist happy clapper so I never expected you to like me.

Back to more important things in life – hope again in the test. A key wicket right on tea. England have defended very well today, and a bit of luck’s gone their way. If they hang on for another two hours they will deserve a draw, but the Black Caps will have only have themselves to blame if they don’t finish England off.

Apart from the wobbles at the start of our second innings the Black Caps have dominated this game. It’s there for the taking, along with the series.
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March 26, 2013 3:25pm
dime

PG doesnt troll, he “creates discussion”.

as for redbaiter “I don’t like him at all.” HAHAHAHA might be easier if you write down who you do like. would be quicker
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March 26, 2013 3:25pm
earlyfknsettler

Checkout the Herlads self inflicted poll today http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10873630.
Incredibly for an article that started the day as highly significant news it somehow strangely disappeared as the day went on to the point where i just had to search for it by typing GAY in the search field. Amazing, the marxist, leftist, liberal media control the exposure their stories get by withdrawing them from direct view on their website. Talk about stealthy and an obvious agenda, when they realised their poll this morning (which they expected would return a landslide result in favour of Homosexual marriage) became a significant statement against the bill they simply panicked and hid the story. How sad the rainbow left have become. However this issue pales in comparison to the rort that is the Maori Parties attempt to enshrine the revisionist’s version of the Treaty in our constitution as over-riding supreme law! Now that is an issue we all must fight for!!
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March 26, 2013 3:27pm
Manolo

Where are Sharples and Turia when needed?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8474451/Sex-workers-as-young-as-13-in-South-Auckland
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March 26, 2013 3:41pm
Manolo

Full of crooks, despots, tyrants, killers and murderers, the African continent is beyond help:
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8632246/zambia-ex-leader-arrested-over-oil-deal
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March 26, 2013 3:47pm
Manolo

It could well be a landslide: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/house-of-reps-too-full-for-coalition-mps/story-fncynjr2-1226606370545#ixzz2ObGNVeKt
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March 26, 2013 3:57pm
dime

DPF will probably blog on this but ill get my comment in here anyway…

“Six of the country’s 17 prisons have exceeded their performance targets, eight are operating effectively and three need improvement, the Department of Corrections says.”

hmm must be public because they didnt go with

THREE PRISONS FAIL TEST AND NEED IMPROVEMENT

3 out 17 govt run prisons are doing shit. how is this possible??? i thought they were all AMAZING and the private ones were TERRIBLE.

no more caps..
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March 26, 2013 4:04pm
Andrei

LOL New Zealand Herald in Panic Mode: Same-sex marriage gaining favour in US.

This comes as their own Poll with over 19,000 responses so far reveals 55% opposed and a pitiful 40% for this strange innovation.

Will their activism continue to bear fruit?
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March 26, 2013 4:18pm
Colville

Manolo said…

Where are Sharples and Turia when needed?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8474451/Sex-workers-as-young-as-13-in-South-Auckland

wouldnt Tariana be a bit long in the tooth to turn a trick?
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March 26, 2013 4:20pm
dime

colville – depends! how many teeth are we talking? : D
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March 26, 2013 4:23pm
Scott

Andrei, quite right. The lead story about gay marriage support in New Zealand was quickly dropped on their website once the poll showed that support for gay marriage was dropping. So they quickly switched the headline to support for gay marriage is rising in the United States. The media are not neutral reporters, they are simply cheerleaders for gay marriage.
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March 26, 2013 4:40pm
Viking2

dime (5,749) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

PG doesnt troll, he “creates discussion”.

as for redbaiter “I don’t like him at all.” HAHAHAHA might be easier if you write down who you do like. would be quicker
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No cause he doesn’t like himself so where in the hell would he start. He would be pontificating all day trying to find someone to like. Oh maybe some of his ardent blog followers perhaps.
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March 26, 2013 5:31pm
Viking2

That day of excitment etc at the Park looks like being a stressful event for KS. Should ‘ave kept working KS.
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March 26, 2013 5:32pm
Tauhei Notts

Cricket;
Despite the inhospitable hours for them, the English betting agency, Betfair, has turned over GBP3,594,000 since 1.15 p.m. on the test match. N.Z. in that time have drifted from $1.44 to $8.20.
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March 26, 2013 5:36pm
kowtow

I hear a claim in the news that some endandangered species are even more endangered by the DOC redundancies.

The endangered species I’m concerned for is the fricken taxpayer.He’s footin’ the bill for gummint excesses all over the over indulged west.
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March 26, 2013 5:55pm
Viking2

The kids filed back into class Monday morning. They were very excited. Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on productive salesmanship.
Little Sally led off: “I sold girl scout cookies and I made $30,” she said proudly, “My sales approach was to appeal to the customer’s civil spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success.”

“Very good,” said the teacher.

Little Jenny was next: “I sold magazines,” she said, “I made $45 and I explained to everyone that magazines would keep them up on current events.”

“Very good, Jenny,” said the teacher.

Eventually, it was Little Johnny’s turn. The teacher held her breath.

Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher’s desk. “$2,467,” he said.

“$2,467!” cried the teacher, “What in the world were you selling?”

“Toothbrushes,” said Little Johnny.

“Toothbrushes,” echoed the teacher, “How could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make that much money?”

“I found the busiest corner in town,” said Little Johnny, “I set up a Dip & Chip stand. I gave everybody who walked by a sample. They all said the same thing, “Hey, this tastes like shit!”

Then I would say, “It is shit. Wanna buy a toothbrush?”
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March 26, 2013 6:01pm
Kea

Well that is it then. Not a single gay adoption supporter has said a word in response to my question. They are all suddenly struck mute and do not care about “equality”. Amazing.

” Why are straight men not allowed to adopt little girls, on the basis of their sexuality ?”
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March 26, 2013 6:34pm
nickb

Fuck fuck fuck shit. Can’t believe we let that (literally) slip through our fingers. Promising signs for the black caps and we far outplayed them throughout the series, but we will now face an england team wanting revenge in more helpful conditions.
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March 26, 2013 6:50pm
Kea

I wonder how many of you know about this ?

WHEN EUROPEANS WERE SLAVES: RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHITE SLAVERY WAS MUCH MORE COMMON THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED

COLUMBUS, Ohio – A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/untold-story-of-white-slavery/
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March 26, 2013 6:55pm
Longknives

What a bloody great Test match- You can shove your ‘Hit and Giggle T20 bullshit where the sun doesn’t shine Test cricket is what matters!

NZ have improved dramatically in this series- but after watching Prior and co fight like tigers on that last day I think a draw was a fair result…
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March 26, 2013 6:57pm
cha

S’plody heads all round.

http://www.thebrennerbrief.com/2013/03/26/why-a-conservative-supports-gay-marriage-in-the-scotus-debate/
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March 26, 2013 6:58pm
duggledog

Gay marriage – it’s going through. Is it to infuriate a large number of voters who will inevitably chuck it over to Colin Craig, bingo, three terms for National?

Personally I don’t mind if gay couples even the notoriously promiscuous (yes they are) gay men get ‘married’ if they want to play dress-ups. That’s all OK with me

The thing that I worry about is what’s going to happen to the kids who will be inevitably be adopted as a matter of course further down the track and sent to school with haloumi and brown rice salad. Are they are going to get teased mercilessly at school, especially these days where kids know from the age of three they can’t be smacked, caned or disciplined at all?

Possible outcome #1 – this makes them stronger, kids’ inherent nature has been successfully changed by the teachers, they turn out to be awesome at rugby / netball and score with the opposite sex etc

Possible outcome #2 – misfits, depression, suicide. Etc. If we get some stats back in 20 years that says kids of gay couples are much more likely to commit suicide and I can get out of my home for the demented, I’m going to hunt Louisa Wall down and yell at her.

Ever hear of the British band Gay Dad? They were quite big for a while, and I don’t think the name was celebratory.
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March 26, 2013 6:59pm
Reid

Not a single gay adoption supporter has said a word in response to my question.

Yes. To quote Corporal Jones (referring to the fuzzy wuzzies of course…) “they don’t like it up em Sir”

No, they don’t do they.

Very interesting that as the news leaks out that gay marriage = gay adoption, the crowd begins turning. And the commies and the useful idiots desperately thrash around looking for a new argument because all of a sudden their “it’s discwimination” meme doesn’t hold water anymore. After all, it’s hard to compete for the sympathy vote when it comes up against orphans, even gays have trouble doing that, apparently. No matter how confused are the well-meaning useful idiots they’ve managed to get on their side thus far who’ve bought their meme, because they didn’t talk about the orphans.

Oh dear.

Their evil plan is in tatters.

Snigger.
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March 26, 2013 6:59pm
Pete George

I think a drwa was fair enough too, England did enough to hold on, superb rescue. New Zealand kept trying but just couldn’t do enough to nail it.

An absorbing last day. Black Caps will have to keep improving when they go to England.
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March 26, 2013 7:00pm
Kea

Reid, the pro gay adoption crowd have just lost all credibility with me. Their concern for human “rights” clearly does not extend to hetrosexuals, whom they are perfectly happy to have discriminated against on the basis of their straight sexuality. So I have to say; Fuck Em !

As a result I am not so sure about my former support for gay marriage. Though I wish no ill will against gays generally.
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March 26, 2013 7:06pm
Reid

I wonder if the useful idiots who bought the discwimination meme are planning on apologising to the rest of the country for being such profound morons?

No?

Pity.

Let’s hope they learned something. I’m ~~not confident at all~~ sure they did.

Reid, the pro gay adoption crowd have just lost all credibility with me.

They never had credibility with me Kea.

This despite the fact one of my siblings is gay. If anyone wants to accuse me of gay bashing, they can go ahead. My opposition has never had anything to do with that. It’s a social engineering campaign from start to finish and that’s why I’ve objected to it since day one. If I for a second thought it was about human rights, I would have been a full on supported. But it never was about that, ever.
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March 26, 2013 7:06pm
Steve (North Shore)

The game is in the bag, we can not lose this, we can win.

Meanwhile down at the Club Waipero the balls are slipping through the fingers
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March 26, 2013 7:07pm
Viking2

Now you akll understand why 5 day criket is like listening to Pete George. Never a determined result.
Its like watching poliies.
More about gaming the game than actually getting a result.

Thought it was obvious about noon that a draw was going to be the result. England weren’t out to play to win but like good public servants their to fill in their time.

No wonder the game is dying.
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March 26, 2013 7:07pm
Viking2

If we want a technology-driven, highly productive economy, we should encourage profit-making productive enterprises while cracking down on rent-extracting monopolies, whether they are natural products of geography and geology (real estate and energy and energy and mineral deposits) or artificial (chartered banks, professional licensing associations, labor unions, patents and copyrights).

This is a valid distinction between “makers” and “takers.” Unfortunately, with the exception of some leftist and liberal economic thinkers who distinguish “rentier capitalism” or “financial capitalism” from “industrial capitalism,” conventional political discourse doesn’t distinguish among profit-earning “makers” and rent-extracting “takers.” Many progressives and populists indiscriminately denounce “big business” and “the corporations” as though a productive consumer electronics manufacturer were no different than a company that monopolizes the tolls from a privatized municipal parking meter system.

At the same time, the center-left, whose upscale supporters tend to be credentialed upper-middle-class professionals, tend to ignore the antisocial aspects of the rent-extracting schemes of the professional guilds — medicine, law and the professoriate — as well as of their elite accomplices, the credential-granting universities.

On the right, the greatest triumph of the rentier interests has been to redefine “capitalist” to mean, not productive entrepreneur or successful industrial company executive, but “anybody who makes money” — a category that includes not only investors in productive enterprises but also rentiers and a third category of speculators in unproductive assets (Picasso paintings and Persian rugs, as opposed to machine tool factories).

In today’s rentier-friendly conservative ideology, somebody who makes payday loans at usurious interest rates, gouges businesses with high insurance rates, or gets paid tolls from a privatized toll road is as much a “maker” and an “entrepreneur” and a “capitalist” as someone who puts together a team of inventors, engineers, workers and investors to apply 3-D printing to printing replacement body parts. All money-making enterprises are supposed to be equally productive and socially useful, for no other reason than they make somebody rich.

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/21/private_sector_parasites/
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March 26, 2013 7:10pm
Longknives

V2- You are clearly not a Cricket man…
Despite the ‘Drawn’ result that was the most exciting piece of sporting theatre I’ve seen NZ involved in for years.

“Thought it was obvious about noon that a draw was going to be the result”

Really?- My whole office were on the edge of their seats until the LAST BALL!
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March 26, 2013 7:18pm
Pete George

No wonder the game is dying.

I haven’t seen as much interest in a game of cricket as I have today for a long time. It looks to be far from dying.
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March 26, 2013 7:20pm
Longknives

I agree with Pete.

(Sheesh the World must be ending)
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March 26, 2013 7:22pm
SPC

Kea, where did you learn that single men cannot adopt unrelated female children? Was it in a post in which I said that the reason was the high rate of female child abuse by men? Did I not say, that if you opposed adoption of children by same sex couples you had to demonstrate similar evidential reasoning?
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March 26, 2013 7:35pm
big bruv

“No wonder the game is dying.”

More uninformed crap from V2.
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March 26, 2013 7:35pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I admired the fight in both teams, very worthy opponents.
I think both teams showed not only fight but good organisation and therefore the BCs show continuing improvement.
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March 26, 2013 7:40pm
James Stephenson

Not an easy five days to be an expat Pom but loving Monty’s apparent nonchalance on those last overs, now we can properly concentrate on the Ashes rather than thinking ahead when we should have been respecting you lot.

Now, where do all these sporting purists go when the rugby starts and it’s all about the number of tries scored?
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March 26, 2013 7:41pm
SPC

On the issue of Herald polls, the on-line polls shows how opponents are more likely to be active in their opposition – since the legislation is a forgone conclusion.

The Herald Digipoll sample poll, by comparison, still shows more supporting the legislation than opposing.

Given the demographics, where those over 65 are the major opponents, it’s a no brainer that the legislation will pass and gain in support across time. Those born after 1986 will wonder what the fuss was about.

It’s a bit like the numbers declaring their Christian religion status in Census is also declining as fewer people were infant baptised over the last 50 years. So as the generation before the baby boomers dies off and then the baby boomers, numbers will decline further.
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March 26, 2013 7:45pm
SPC

The lost opportunity was when Bell was dropped before lunch. If they had got at Prior with the new ball after lunch they would have won.
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March 26, 2013 7:48pm
nasska

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse walk into a bar in South Auckland.

Twenty minutes later, the Four Pedestrians of the Apocalypse vow never to drink in Otara again.
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March 26, 2013 8:00pm
graham

So Pete George smears all Kiwibloggers as being “part of the rape culture”, claims that because some of us actually object to this it proves his point, then suddenly decides the cricket is far more important.

Figures.
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March 26, 2013 8:00pm
SPC

OK then, if they had taken the chance to dismiss Bell two hours before they got him out, and thus got at “Broad” with the new ball after lunch they would have won.
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March 26, 2013 8:03pm
Viking2

big bruv (11,128) Says:
March 26th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

“No wonder the game is dying.”

More uninformed crap from V2.
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Really, so how many people paid to see this spectacle then. Most I heard was 8000.
We get more than that at our local fireworks night or two day home shows.

In fact just about that many at a car boot sale.

Actually its typical on NZ cricket. You have a couple of good days and your are the worlds best, in your dreams.
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March 26, 2013 8:29pm
SPC

Today in the USA (tomorrow our time) the US Supreme Court gets to review California state law on same sex marriage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/26/us/background-on-same-sex-marriage-case-at-supreme-court.html?_r=0
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March 26, 2013 8:33pm
Nostalgia-NZ

No one has said in this thread that the BCs are the world’s best Viking. I guess you like inventing stuff.
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March 26, 2013 8:37pm
UglyTruth

An Irishman who had a little too much to drink is driving home from the city one night and, of course, his car is weaving violently all over the road.

A cop pulls him over. “So,” says the cop to the driver, “where have ya been?” “Why, I’ve been to the pub of course,” slurs the drunk.

“Well,” says the cop, “it looks like you’ve had quite a few to drink this evening.” “I did all right,” the drunk says with a smile.

“Did you know,” says the cop, standing straight and folding his arms across his chest, “that a few intersections back, your wife fell out of your car?”

“Oh, thank heavens,” sighs the drunk.
“For a minute there, I thought I’d gone deaf.”
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March 26, 2013 8:52pm
Johnboy

For the religiously drunk amongst you:

THE LADS’ PRAYER

Our beer,
Which art in barrels,
Hallowed be thy drink.
Thy will be drunk,
I will be drunk,
At home as it is in the local.
Forgive us this day our daily spillage
As we forgive those who spillest against us.
And lead us not into the practice of poncy wine tasting,
And deliver us from alcopops,
For mine is the bitter, the ale and the lager,
Forever and ever;
BARMEN
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March 26, 2013 9:03pm
Shunda barunda

Johnboy is going to hell!
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March 26, 2013 9:07pm
nasska

Ken has a lifestyle block North of Auckland. He is in need of a new milk cow and hears about a nice one for sale near Hamilton.

He drives down to the Waikato, finds the farm and looks at the cow. Ken reaches under to see if she gives milk. When he grabs
the teat and pulls…the cow farts.

He is very surprised.

He looks at the farmer who is selling the cow, then reaches
under the cow to try again.

He grabs another teat, pulls, and the cow farts again.

Milk does come out however, so after some discussion with
the cow’s current owner, Ken decides to buy the cow and takes
it home.

When he gets back over the bridge, he calls over to his neighbor,
Mick, and says, “Hey, Mick, come and look at this new cow I just bought. Pull her teat, and see what happens.”

Mick reaches under, pulls the teat – and the cow farts.

Mick looks at Ken and says, “You bought this cow in the Waikato, didn’t yah?”

Ken is very surprised since he hadn’t told Mick about his trip.

Ken replies, “Yeah, thats right. But how did you know?”

Mick says, “My wife is from Hamilton.”
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March 26, 2013 9:09pm
Johnboy

A grungy old lumberjack, in town for the first time in weeks, went to the local brothel and demanded the roughest, toughest and meanest girl in the house. “That’ll be Mary,” said the madam. “Go to Room Four, and I’ll send her up.” “Fine,”said the lumberjack,”and tell her to bring a couple of beers.”

In due time, Mary appeared. She put the two bottles of beer on the floor, took off her negligee, positioned herself on her hands and knees and pointed to her butt. “No! No!” exclaimed the lumberjack. “In the bed, the old-fashioned way!” “Sure, Pal,” grunted Mary, “but I thought ya might want to open them beers first.”
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March 26, 2013 9:15pm
nasska

Overheard back stage at the College Drama Club:

“Every second of every hour of every day is like a
thousand knives of fire stabbing me in the heart. I long
for thee incessantly, so much that mine sorrow seems
without surcease. My alliteration is small comfort
next to the warm gaze of thine azure eyes. I crave
the comfort of thine embrace like some lost child
cold and alone in the dark…. So,
you wanna fuck ???
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March 26, 2013 9:23pm
Viking2

MM Easter eh.
Easter eggs and all that.
The bunny is coming.

http://screencast.com/t/AzzCJSNc

I’ve heard that NZ cricket followers still believe in the Easter Bunny too.
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March 26, 2013 9:24pm
Johnboy

Q:How do you get a horny dog to stop humping on your leg?
A: Pick him up and start sucking his dick.

Q: What’s six inches long, two inches wide, and drives women wild?
A: Money

Q: What should you do if your girlfriend starts smoking?
A: Slow down and use a lubricant.

Q: Why did god create lesbians?
A: So feminists couldn’t breed.

Q: Why do women pay more attention to their appearance than to improving their minds?
A: Because most men are stupid, but few are blind.

Q: What can a cow do that a woman can’t?
A: Stand in water up to it’s tits and not get it’s pussy wet

Q: How do you fix a woman’s watch?
A: You don’t, there’s a clock on the oven.

Q: What do ya do when your wife tells you to replace a lightbulb?
A: Ignore the bitch, she can do the dishes in the dark.
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March 26, 2013 9:35pm
Viking2

“The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you’re still a rat.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/strive/whats-on-your-bucket-list-20130314-2g1vd.html#ixzz2OdOcrO00
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March 26, 2013 9:56pm
SPC

Johnboy, maybe polygamists invented lesbians because they were too lazy to do foreplay, so the wives were asked to start without him.
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March 26, 2013 10:15pm
Kea

SPC, greetings comrade. How is the potato harvest and tractor production in your sector ?

You made a small error in your comment. The enlightened societies that allow polygamy do not – ask – their wives to do anything. They TELL them.

Now go back to reading your Noam Chomsky book.
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March 26, 2013 10:21pm
SPC

It’s the New York Times – the newspaper Chomsky reads.

Moslems declare the new era for women in Egypt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/26/world/middleeast/egyptian-women-blamed-for-sexual-assaults.html?hp&_r=0
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March 26, 2013 10:35pm
Pauleastbay

Actually its typical on NZ cricket. You have a couple of good days and your are the worlds best, in your dreams.

V2 everything OK?, you have been particularly snarky the last few days.

Anything you need to talk about? Prostrate not affecting things “down there” or anything? We are available to cheer you up if need be, no need to be a martyr or anything, just saying
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March 26, 2013 10:41pm
Manolo

Local government gone mad: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/26/alameda-county-administrator-to-get-423644-year-after-retirement/
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March 27, 2013 6:28am
Viking2

PEB. No issues at all.

Just cannot figure out how otherwise sane and reasonable men can get excited about a game that is designed to be a lefty dream i.e. there is no winner, we are all equal at the end.
Every other game I can think off has a winner or a loser (second place if you want to be PC),
Not 5 day Cricket. Oh no you can bust your arse, play really well, by all the counts but time, you can kick the shit from the other team and still lose. And a Draw is a lose.
NZ was good at drawing matches under Rutherford and Fleming. Never made NZ a winner.

Its all a bit like MMP isn’t it.

and I recall neither you nor KS like MMP.

Oh Dear, conflicted personalities. 😡

Indeed schizophrenic and usually they get locked up. 😆 😆
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March 27, 2013 6:59am
Manolo

V2’s logic is impeccable. Impossible to argue with his argument that cricket is an ideal game for lefties!
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March 27, 2013 7:01am
Viking2

The Empire strikes Back.

Property tycoon Sir Bob Jones has demanded the removal of poker machines and the TAB from a pub in one of his Lambton Quay properties because he doesn’t like the tone they set.

The removal of the pokies and the TAB were among the conditions he insisted on when the Trinity Group’s lease on the Occidental bar came up for renewal.

Sir Bob said he was particular about the sorts of tenants he wanted in the ground floor of his commercial buildings and, as far as he was concerned, “pokies are just a tax on the stupid, which tends to be a tax on the poor”.

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Hooray.
Totally agree with him and pokies have destroyed the community organisations and their self help. Turned most of them into money scroungers.
Sucked the life blood out of Service Clubs.
Sooner they are gone from the General Public arena’s the better. Don’t care about casino’s. We don’t mind taking money off tourists if they are so stupid.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8476102/Jones-tells-bar-to-remove-TAB-pokies
Roitorua needs a Casino. Just to piss off the lefty wimin that stopped it.
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March 27, 2013 7:06am
Kea

Property tycoon Sir Bob Jones has demanded the removal of poker machines and the TAB from a pub in one of his Lambton Quay properties because he doesn’t like the tone they set.

Further evidence that the free market and social norms work better than government regulation.

I hate pokies, but defend the right to have them. When a business installs pokies they are only responding to the market. If people do not want them, then they will not be installed. The business owners, such as Bob, can choose to remove the dreadful things anytime they want.

No government required. Problem fixed.
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March 27, 2013 7:12am
Viking2

PEB’s hometown.

Now if you wonder why he’s grumpy mum made him leave this serenity for Auckland.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-zealand/8474339/All-downhill-from-here
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