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March 24, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 24 March 2013

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lofty

Good morning on a beautiful day, I am off to watch the grandchildren do the Weetbix tryathalon, they will compete with hundreds of other kids who want to do the very best they can. A refreshing concept today I know.
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March 24, 2013 8:08am
Pete George

More on David Cunliffe’s comments on reducing the GST threshold for foreign purchases. DPF was over-egging – there is very unlikely to be any fixed Labour policy on this yet.

But Cunliffe was also downplaying his comments. I have obtained a recording and it sounds like Cunliffe clearly thinks it’s “a no-brainer” to have a much lower threshold.

Just following up on John’s question, given that we’re talking about a a smaller picture here, which is the GST collection…

…is this not a no brainer, why don’t we have a single point low threshold, and as John said, stop subsidising foreign commerce…

…surely it’s a no brainer, why hasn’t it been done before?

How low? Cunliffe was speaking at a research seminar sponsored by Booksellers NZ, so the clear implication is book price low. As low as DPF suggested – iTunes low, which would be a dollar or two?

I don’t expect Cunliffe to commit himself at this stage at least, but it will be interesting to see what policy Labour comes up with on this, especially considering Cunliffe’s comments on compliance costs on the proposed car-park tax.

Cunliffe on GST on foreign purchases
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March 24, 2013 8:10am
Manolo

A modest, humble, unassuming Greenie? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8462654/Mayor-to-move-to-luxury-nest
Hopefully, she’ll be in office only a few more months before being given the boot by Wellingtonians.
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March 24, 2013 8:35am
Manolo

Fingers crossed and it could be game over for the racist party and its troughing “leaders”:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/8456607/Editorial-Leadership-fight-ruinous-for-party

Two leaders for a three-MP political party is one too many. Three would be an absurdity.
The Maori Party is flirting with oblivion. The voting public do not like disunity.
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March 24, 2013 8:40am
kowtow

Excellent piece from the UK Daily Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9949819/Being-White-in-Philly-America-agonises-over-race-and-free-speech-after-article-sparks-furore.html
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March 24, 2013 8:44am
hamnidaV2

Right Wingers, what do you think? Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Hate Speech?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Emotions-high-as-group-confronts-white-pride-march/tabid/423/articleID/291503/Default.aspx
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March 24, 2013 8:57am
Colville

hammida… freedom of all speech …. bring the fools out of the dark…lots of sunlight is the best cure for stupidity.
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March 24, 2013 9:02am
Pete George

I think the visuals of the Kyle Klux Klan provided plenty of sunlight.
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March 24, 2013 9:09am
Reid

Freedom of Hate Speech

You mean like “white mo-fo’s” hamnida?

Or is that different?
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March 24, 2013 9:14am
JeffW

From the Stuff website:

“Three-quarters of Sunday Star-Times readers believe we should follow Australia and prohibit cabinet ministers from buying shares in state-owned companies they decide to sell”.

Of course it should be more or less the opposite: MP who want to retain commercial assets in state hands should have their superannuation invested in those assets. Hence Michael Cullen’s and Helen Clark’s super should be invested in Kiwirail. All Labour MPs should have super invested in Solid Energy, etc. If they played with their money instead of ours, we might see different stances.
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March 24, 2013 9:20am
HB

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10873175

interesting

” The practice debate was over whether partial asset sales should go ahead.”

“At the show’s start the audience poll had a fairly even three-way split between support, opposition and undecided.”

“The final poll vote was 88 per cent to 12 – to our team. Audience members told me they learned more at the debate than anywhere else”
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March 24, 2013 9:37am
Judith

HB (199) Says:
March 24th, 2013 at 9:37 am
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88% to 12% against the sales once given precise arguments. That’s really interesting. Wish I’d watched, if for no other reason than to inform myself better on the issue – having signed both the referendum petition and registered for shares!
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March 24, 2013 9:50am
kowtow

It doesn’t matter where ministers “invest” their money.

They get copper plated taxpayer guaranteed pensions no matter how shit their performance.They should only get pensions (or salaries)if we’re in continuous surplus.That would force ’em to be careful with our money.
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March 24, 2013 9:56am
HB

Judith:

I am the same as you – missed the programme, signed the petition and registered (my children) for shares.
I still haven’t decided on buying the shares.
Could be a good short/medium term option but think that maybe in the future that energy production may be totally revolutionised by some technological advancement that sees very cheap and easy solution supersede our current production.
ETA: Maybe that’s the real reason for the govt wanting to flick it 😉
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March 24, 2013 9:59am
OneTrack

“Two leaders for a three-MP political party is one too many. Three would be an absurdity.”

Two leaders is an absurdity. But what would you expect from a racist party but for it to be sexist as well. And the Maori party is just as bad. Don’t they think woman have the ability to lead without a token position being created for them. Obviously not. So much for equality.
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March 24, 2013 10:11am
OneTrack

hamnidav2 – “Right Wingers, what do you think? Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Hate Speech?”

Freedom of all speech, not just speech that Hamnidav2 approves of. How hard is that to understand.
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March 24, 2013 10:13am
OneTrack

Judith -“88% to 12% against the sales once given precise arguments. That’s really interesting. Wish I’d watched, if for no other reason than to inform myself better on the issue – having signed both the referendum petition and registered for shares!”

– the usual approach is to inform yourself before you take action, not after.
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March 24, 2013 10:18am
Pete George

This morning on Marae Investigates Shane Jones said “In politics if you are fundamentally split it won’t be long until it’s all over”.

He was referring to the Maori party leadership muddle, but it is not difficult to think about that in terms of his own parrty. Camp Shearer and Camp Robertson have an alliance (until Robertson decides otherwise?) but there seems to be a fundamental split with camp Cunliffe.

Will it be long? Shane Jones – a fundamental split “until it’s all over”.
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March 24, 2013 10:52am
Viking2

More of dunny heads taxing aspirations come into play next week.

Next taxes by stealth. Where has the publicity been seen?

We spend zillions on social advertizing and nothing on telling taxpayers about changes in the tax laws.
Sooner these broken arsed people in Govt. are gone the better.

Proposed change to residency test could claw expat Kiwis’ offshore earnings

Expat Kiwis and jetsetting workers face higher taxes under a crackdown on residency rules.

Inland Revenue wants to block a loophole that allows “fly-in fly-out” workers to avoid paying income tax.

Migrants buying homes in New Zealand could also be considered tax residents under the proposals.

At present, residents are taxed if they live in New Zealand for six months of the year, or have a permanent place of abode.

Under the changes, factors such as bank accounts and family ties will be given greater weight when determining whether an individual has a permanent place of abode.

University of Auckland professor Craig Elliffe said “significant” numbers would be affected.

“It seems (the IRD) are intending to be pretty tough on this. The desire to collect tax is pretty extreme at the moment.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10873212
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March 24, 2013 11:08am
Viking2

From Elle at Home Paddock.
Exciting new grasses for the world.

Have a read.

http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/nz-grass-going-global/

An ingenious Kiwi solution to the billion dollar bird strike problem is getting ready to go global after impressing airport experts from around the world.

Bird strikes at airports cost the aviation industry an estimated US$1.2 billion annually in both damage to airplanes and deterrence measures.

AgResearch scientists have developed a tool to help airport managers control the problem, a grass containing a special novel endophyte that naturally deters wildlife and insects.
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March 24, 2013 11:18am
dime

kyle chapman & co are morons.

they do the white pride thing which to me is fine. be happy and proud of your race. cause every other race gets a parade in this country for the same reason (probably govt funded).

where they fall down though is they dont want any other races around which is obviously not cool.
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March 24, 2013 11:25am
Viking2

Is now official.
Moving to Australia is bad bad bad for your sex life. NZ girls are suppossedly the most promiscuos around but look at what happens in aussie.

“Almost half of Australians are having sex no more than once a month and one in nine married couples have not had sex in a year”

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/so-how-much-sex-is-enough/story-fnet0gt3-1226601527929#ixzz2OPBYLCsd
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March 24, 2013 11:39am
freemark

England 74/5.. excellent work by NZ Bowlers.. I’d be at Eden Park if I didn’t have a slight hangover from the brilliant Auckland Beer Fest yesterday.. although it was finished too early by some wowser regulations. Interesting difference between the drunken chaos at Homegrown in Wgtn, and a mature crowd of Jafas…
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March 24, 2013 11:40am
Kea

dime, I agree with your comment re the white pride thing.

Even though I have no problem with them wanting to protect European cultural values, I have many non European friends and I am concerned about how they would treat them. With my exotic tastes, I would probably be labeled a “race traitor” 🙂
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March 24, 2013 11:46am
cha

Anybody else remember the Joe Weider ads where the skinny kid gets sand kicked on him by the bully.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130323005020/en/Joe-Weider-Legendary-Bodybuilding-Fitness-Icon-Dies
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March 24, 2013 12:01pm
dime

R.I.P Joe Weider. Total legend.
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March 24, 2013 12:09pm
lofty

The Weetbix tryathalon was wonderful, with beautiful weather in the Bay, and loads of kids really going as hard as they could.
It somewhat restores my faith in the future in as far as good kids far outweigh the bad and misdirected.

Parents, Grandparents etc all encouraging the youngsters on, good stuff.

They all wanted to do well, and did so, fantastic. Sanitarium needs to be congratulated for sponsoring this event around the country.
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March 24, 2013 12:17pm
Judith

OneTrack (265) Says:
March 24th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Judith -”88% to 12% against the sales once given precise arguments. That’s really interesting. Wish I’d watched, if for no other reason than to inform myself better on the issue – having signed both the referendum petition and registered for shares!”

– the usual approach is to inform yourself before you take action, not after.

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The way I see it is by signing the petition (which was not for or against the sales but for a referendum) was merely an ‘interest’ not action – as neither resulted in an affirmative.

I am interested to know what answer a referendum would produce – I think many people are having trouble finding a clear answer on the issue, that ‘sits’ easily with them. We can see points for and against – and from what my colleagues/friends say, they are like me, divided.

I have registered for shares because I want the option of being able to decide, if I don’t register, that option is removed.

Again, registering does not mean I have to purchase the shares or that I support the sales, just that I might be interested (if I should ever get over my 50/50 spit) I had hoped the referendum would decide – as I was prepared to go with a clear answer from the electorate, when asked that specific question. I don’t buy into the ‘election result’ was the referendum. I didn’t vote on that issue and I don’t think a lot of people did find it the most important issue for them vote on.

A lot of people are still divided on this issue – which is why the stats keep varying. We’ve heard from Key, and we’ve heard from the opposing politicians. I’d like to hear from a few politically unbiased speakers on the subject.

Is this good for my country – why is it good, why is it bad and what will the effect in 20 years be if we do/don’t? In non-bullshit language.
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March 24, 2013 12:19pm
publicwatchdog

HOW IS IT NOT A FORM OF CORRUPT PRACTICE FOR MPS, ESPECIALLY MINISTERS, TO BE ABLE TO BUY SHARES IN STATE ASSETS WHICH THEY HAVE VOTED TO SELL OFF?

How is this not ‘misuse of public office for private gain’? ie: A CORRUPT PRACTICE?

Is ‘shonky’ John Key going to buy shares in Mighty River Power?

(We already know he’s an ‘insider trader’ – remember Tranz Rail?)

And – he owns shares in the Bank of America – which would be UNLAWFUL if he was the Prime Minister of Australia!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8465532/Call-to-ban-ministers-from-share-float

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate
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March 24, 2013 12:29pm
Reid

Anyone seen this?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8464668/Former-MPs-property-deals-turn-sour

This could be the end of Tamihere’s political hopes, if anything like the allegations in the article turn out to have substance.

Lawyer David Smyth, acting for West Harbour, alleged an arrangement was reached between Tamihere and Ivil to allow a West Harbour property mortgaged to Waipareira to be sold and the proceeds loaned to Tamihere.

On May 6 Waipareira’s mortgage over one of West Harbour’s townhouses, Clearwater Cove Unit 7d, was lifted and the property sold.

Property records show companies controlled by Tamihere and his wife settled the $1.36 million purchase of their new home on the Te Atatu Peninsula on the same day the mortgage was discharged.

Smyth, relying on an affidavit from Ivil, told the court the sale of 7d enabled $500,000 to pass to Tamihere: “It was Mr Tamihere himself who procured the discharge of the mortgage . . . so it could be converted into cash to lend to him.”

…Josie Smith, chairwoman of the trust, was unwilling to discuss why the mortgage over 7d was lifted. She said Tamihere had declared his links to Ivil when the deals were signed.

She expressed “utmost confidence” in her chief executive.

“The board of trustees have taken independent advice and are very comfortable with the action taken by the chief executive,” she said.

Smith denied any wrongdoing by Waipareira in the affair and said she would defend her organisation if it was defamed, but said Tamihere, “given his previous political standing, accepts as we do, reasonable scrutiny”.

So who knows if it is true or not, but IF it is, then it would appear yet another case where someone has been treating a taxpayer-funded organisation as their own personal piggy bank and not only that, but the chairman of the organisation has approved of such. Which raises prima facie questions about the fitness of both people to continue in their roles, IF the allegations are true.

Of course, even if they are true, then pointing them out is vewy vewy wacist, whatever happens. That just goes without saying.
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March 24, 2013 12:31pm
freemark

Penny Batshit Lady,when are you going to launch a private prosecution against Shearer.. ?
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March 24, 2013 1:01pm
Longknives

Dime- Well said!
Joe Weider. The father of modern bodybuilding..

http://www.joeweider.com/photos/joe-and-arnold-2/

(Check out the pics with Hulk and Conan)
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March 24, 2013 1:07pm
Viking2

Meantime, Creech, Luxton and Bryers set to be home free on the Blue Chip parade.

Former Cabinet ministers Wyatt Creech and John Luxton, lawyer Jock Irvine and founder Mark Bryers are likely to walk away from the collapse of Blue Chip unless a funder can be found to back action against them.

The four are among a group of directors targeted in two separate lawsuits alleging reckless trading during their time at the helm of the failed property investment scheme.

Blue Chip’s liquidators say around 1200 people are still owed up to $120 million over the 2008 collapse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8464669/Time-almost-up-on-Blue-Chip

Just for balance. Two more Nat. pollies in business.
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March 24, 2013 1:08pm
dime

i just bought the new Sim City. purchased from EA online.

I paid GST… guess they are set up different to apple?
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March 24, 2013 1:19pm
Kea

Gun Control, the Obama way

The Department of Homeland Security has plans to buy enough ammunition to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraq War – on US territory – and even US congressmen don’t understand why.

Smack in the middle of the smoking gun-control debate, and despite deep spending cuts across the American heartland, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wants to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.

Reports began surfacing in April, 2012 that the DHS, a government agency created in the aftermath of the attacks of September 11, 2001, had begun arming itself to the teeth. Now, several US congressmen are attempting to get some answers, but so far they have been greeted by a deafening silence.

http://rt.com/usa/us-homeland-security-bullets-congress-703/
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March 24, 2013 2:12pm
Reid

Small point but do people know how toxic the gween lightbulbs are? If they break, you need to evacuate the room for 15 mins to let the mercury vapour inside them dissipate and you should not vacuum them up but rather pick up the shards by hand broom and shovel lest the vacuum spread the toxins if used in another room and never cut yourself on them because it will get badly infected. The UK rubbish guys are refusing to pick them up. But hey, even if we’re not safe, at least the enviwonment is, wight? And who knows when the Gweens will make it illegal for us to use anything else but them?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363448/We-pick-toxic-new-bulbs-Councils-say-energy-saving-lights-dangerous-binmen.html
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March 24, 2013 2:53pm
Ed Snack

Kea, read a bit more widely on that bullets thing. And you might find that the bullets are not the point. The company “wholesaling” the bullets to the government agencies is a new company, and is owned by major Democratic Party donor organisers. Looks more like a standard but of corruption funnelling money to interested parties and into the democrats coffers than any wild conspiracy.
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March 24, 2013 3:06pm
Kea

Ed, I did not claim it was a conspiracy (others have that well covered). I figured it would be something commercial.

Reid, yes I do remember. I also remember it was the hideous KlarK who banned real light and made us sit under the frigid icy glare of eco commie hippy bulbs, full of toxic chemicals.
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March 24, 2013 3:12pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – the ‘full nine yards version’ I have just sent around the planet – including ‘Planet Key’ 🙂

“How is it not a form of ‘corrupt practice’ for New Zealand MPs, especially Ministers, to be able to buy shares in State assets which they have voted to sell off?” asks Penny Bright, 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

How is this not ‘misuse of public office for private gain’? ie: A CORRUPT PRACTICE?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8465532/Call-to-ban-ministers-from-share-float

Is ‘shonky’ John Key going to buy shares in Mighty River Power?

(We already know he’s an ‘insider trader’ – remember Tranz Rail?)

See – ‘Is John Key shonky?’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFTYZVQo-A8

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John Key – the NZ Prime Minister, owns shares in the Bank of America – which would be UNLAWFUL if he was the Prime Minister of Australia!

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/DFA6C21E-69A8-433F-8BA9-956431281F7F/222223/register2012_3.pdf

“Rt Hon John KEY (National, Helensville)

2 Other companies and business entities
Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado

Bank of America – banking

4 Beneficial interests in, and trusteeships of, trusts

JP & BI Key Family Trust

Aldgate Trust (blind trust)

5 Organisations and trusts seeking Government funding

Muriwai Surf Lifesaving Club – surf lifesaving
6 Real property
Family home, Parnell, Auckland
Office, Huapai, Auckland
Holiday home, Omaha, Rodney
Holiday home, Maui, USA
Apartment, London, England
Apartment, Wellington
7 Superannuation schemes
Individual Retirement Plan
9 Creditors
JP & BI Key Family Trust – trust loan

Bank of America – short term deposit
National Bank of NZ – short term deposit ”
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Will John Key Profit From NZ Foreign Debt – (as a shareholder in the Bank of America)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwNoaOpDMw

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If John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia – he would NOT be allowed to own shares in the Bank of America (or any other company).

AUSTRALIAN STANDARDS OF MINISTERIAL ETHICS:

http://democratic.audit.anu.edu.au/misc/RuddMinCodeConduct.pdf

“FOREWORD

These Standards of Ministerial Ethics will replace Chapter 5 of the Guide on
Key Elements of Ministerial Responsibility, last issued in December 1998,
which deals with ministerial conduct. The Guide will be revised and reissued
as a whole when the Parliament resumes in 2008.

The Australian people are entitled to expect the highest standards of behaviour
from their elected representatives in general and Ministers in particular.

These Standards give a clear indication of my expectations of Ministers.
They clearly state that Ministers are required to act with integrity and fairness, be
responsible for the way they exercise their powers and accept the full
implications of the principle of ministerial responsibility.

In several important aspects, the Standards will require Ministers to accept
higher levels of conduct than has been the case in the past. In particular:

• Lobbyists will be required to register their details publicly on a Register
of Lobbyists to be established by the Department of the Prime Minister
and Cabinet before seeking access to Ministers or their offices;

• Ministers will be required to undertake that, when they leave office, they
will not seek to have business dealings with members of the
Government, the Public Service or the Defence Force on any matters
that they dealt with in an official capacity in the preceding 18 months;

• Electoral fundraising at The Lodge and Kirribilli House will be
prohibited;

• Ministers will be required to divest themselves of all shareholdings other
than through investment vehicles such as broadly diversified
superannuation funds or publicly listed managed or trust arrangements.

Kevin Rudd ”

____________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate
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March 24, 2013 3:16pm
Monique Watson

My eyes are bleeding.
Just sayin.
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March 24, 2013 3:32pm
RightNow

Pleasantly surprised there’s been no news about last night’s “Earth Hour”.
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March 24, 2013 3:35pm
Kea

RightNow, The heap of coal and used car tyres I burnt last night are still smouldering. I also dropped a few of the larger trees, so now I have too much sunlight and have to run the air-con 24/7. 😉
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March 24, 2013 3:40pm
Monique Watson

@Viking2 @11.08am
FUCK!!

Which country has first priority over taxing earnings? It seems completely contrary to current and embedded tax treaty law.

What do you make of it – are they going to effectively double tax migrants? I doubt they can touch companies that own rental properties, right?
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March 24, 2013 3:44pm
Monique Watson

And if a major bank goes don, your deposit is not safe from Treasury:

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/63699/bernard-hickey-says-rbnzs-obr-policy-waste-time-let-s-just-have-proper-deposit-guarant

Shades of Cypress says Trotter:

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2013/03/learning-from-cyprus.html
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March 24, 2013 3:54pm
Yvette

Penny ‘Bright’ – Except they already are. Ministers absolutely can not take part in the share float. – see ‘A misleading headline’ posted 3.00pm today David Farrar.

Penny, to raise a matter as a valid problem, when such problem doesn’t or can’t exist, to tarnish people’s reputation or credibility, is a form of corrupt

Just as not paying your rates to make a point but with inaction, then continuing to not pay them, is also corruption.

Aiding people to damage Council property and steal water is corruption

To claim you are standing for Auckland City Council fighting against corruption, when you are yourself corrupt as indicated above, is further corruption.

And to reply to this in saying “Thank you, you have so made my day?” is to just exhibit a mental illness
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March 24, 2013 4:13pm
Nostradamus

For cricket followers: if you were McCullum, would you have enforced the follow-on, considering we’re already 4/1?
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March 24, 2013 4:21pm
Nostradamus

*Sigh* Make that 8/2.
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March 24, 2013 4:39pm
Nostradamus

*Double sigh* And then 8/3.

Another case of the Black Caps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
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March 24, 2013 4:51pm
graham

But the thing is, Yvette, you HAVE made Penny’s day. By paying her attention.

She craves attention. She needs attention. Good or bad, it matters little, as long as people acknowledge her. You must realise, she actually does not care that much about many of the issues she squawks on about. She probably doesn’t really much care what shares John Key or any other minister buys. I suspect it matters little to Penny, if she was completely honest. What does matter to Penny is having something – ANYTHING – that she can use to garner attention. And this just happens to be topical and convenient.
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March 24, 2013 6:19pm
stigie

@ Graham Couldnt say it better myself.
Bloody sad really.
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March 24, 2013 6:33pm
Steve (North Shore)

hey Ms Dim,
Are you sure John Key has not forgotten something that you do not know about?
Stupid woman
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March 24, 2013 6:48pm
Viking2

Yeah, nice heavy rain. for a few seconds. More to come I think.
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March 24, 2013 6:57pm
Viking2

Eneka has had no reply to this letter to date:

Quote:
To The Rt Hon. Dame Sian Elias,
Chief Justice
Ministry of Justice
Wellington

Dear Chief Justice,

I have sent you a copy of my letter to the Chairman and members of the Constitutional Advisory Panel because what I saw and heard at their meetings was true “newspeak” from the book “1984”.

“Conversations” as well as “debates” were monologues but it became truly Orwellian when members of the audience were being photographed: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU !

This is ominous.

Surely one does not need my experience of 5 years under Nazi occupation to doubt whether it is prudent for this Panel to draw up a Constitution for a democratic country like New Zealand?

Surveillance of a public meeting about the Constitution of a democracy is extraordinary. Is it inept or intentional? Whichever, it is sinister and should not go unchallenged as it is intimidating and has a chilling effect on participating in a democratic process.

I wonder if judicial guidelines or recommendations for the conduct of consultation related to a future constitution exist but were unknown or ignored by CAP?

I have no intention to hide or apologise for my anger at what took place at te Papa under the guise of consultation about a future Constitution.

I respectfully look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely
Eneka

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=135&sid=4ccb358a688ba028a06b3b0fcca981c8&p=43755#p43755
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March 24, 2013 7:02pm
Tauhei Notts

Nostradamus at 4.51.
Which sports journalist will describe Peter Fulton’s batting as being as safe as banks used to be?
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March 24, 2013 7:02pm
Viking2

Who’s Getting the “Free Stuff”?

(From an American site)

The folks who are getting the free stuff, don’t like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now… The people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So… The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/0 … Free-Stuff
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March 24, 2013 7:05pm
Monique Watson

Picture. 1000 Words:
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/03/picture-10000-words.html
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March 24, 2013 7:20pm
nasska

From America…..an instance of global warming or weather as it used to be known.

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/maw4hf0qoms304f/Spring.jpg
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March 24, 2013 7:31pm
Monique Watson

That was a dildo advert methinks.

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/03/picture-10000-words.html
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March 24, 2013 7:41pm
nasska

Just been watching re-runs of the new Pope getting chosen. I didn’t get the whole white or black smoke routine so I asked my Catholic mate Mick.

I get it now – the white smoke means they picked a new one, the black smoke means they’re still burning his hard drive…
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March 24, 2013 8:00pm
bereal

What a low shallow trick.
What a desperate pathetic trick.

When the TV timetable says a programme such as Masterchef finishes at 8.30
why does it always go to 8.33

Just so when you change over at the end of Masterchef, expecting to see the start of say, Criminal Minds you have
missed the first 3 minutes of Criminal Minds ( or whatever programme on whatever other TV station starts @ 8.30)
Fuck you TV 1

Can i say it again.

Fuck you TV 1

How desperate for an audience can you be?

You scum.
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March 24, 2013 8:49pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Nostradamus (2,332) Says:
March 24th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
For cricket followers: if you were McCullum, would you have enforced the follow-on, considering we’re already 4/1?’

Not with that lead and 2 days to go on a deteriorating pitch against side that’s on the ropes. Good pressure. For the 2nd time in 3 tests the English will be fighting for a draw, possibly without being able to rely on deteriorating weather.
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March 24, 2013 9:02pm
Longknives

McCullum needs his head read.
England were goneburger…out on their feet…
If NZ had enforced this match would be all over by lunch tomorrow.

Now we have given them a glimmer
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March 25, 2013 2:50am
Longknives

I liked it Monique…
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March 25, 2013 2:51am
Manolo

Are his days numbered? http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8631704/musharraf-vows-to-save-pakistan-on-return
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March 25, 2013 6:31am
big bruv

Longknives.

I tend to agree about McCullum not enforcing the follow on. However….

I am firmly of the opinion that NZC and the teams “leadership” sat down at the start of this test series and planned how they could best achieve an outcome that would be acceptable to the cricketing public (and here I do not refer to the morons who prefer that T20 crap).
In their wildest dreams they would have thought that a drawn test series would be a fantastic outcome, McCullum simply could not take the chance of the NZ team batting last on a turning wicket chasing a score of 150 or so. By not enforcing the follow on he (McCullum) is at least taking the chance of a loss out of the equation.

Yes, it is gutless (and another reason why McCullum is a crap captain) but it I suspect that given the amount of abuse heaped upon McCullum and Hesson earlier in the season it was the only option on the table.
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