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Kea

Lucia Maria (1,314) Says:
March 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Commies love pornography, Kea.

We all LOVE PORN Lucia.

Apparently so do the very religious and moral. Many countries with strict morality codes down load higher amounts of porn than more liberal societies. None of this is a problem when it involves consenting adults. Also the story about people wanting more and more extreme porn, leading to perversion, is pure bullshit peddled by people with “issues”.

Sex is NOT sin. Chastity is NOT virtue.

Those qualities can not be measured by ones sexuality alone.
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March 13, 2013 6:58pm
Kea

I wonder if Longknives, Kea or Big Bruv would get off with a mere “warning”??

No way. Especially if I told the cop rugby bores me to tears.

It is incredible that these people just play a game for a living. Maybe I could understand if they were a scientist (no Griff, real scientists) who contributed something tangible to the world. Say a researcher who found a cure for dementia or something. Not some thug who can run around a paddock.
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March 13, 2013 7:02pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

No, we don’t. Porn enslaves. Making dinner now, but will come back and post a link on the damage that porn does to your brain…
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March 13, 2013 7:03pm
Kea

I swear that if the communist Red Army every invaded our shores, Redbaiter would be busy down some dirty alleyway beating up on a poofter or something. (A poofter who is probably an employer and right leaning politically, as many I know are.)
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March 13, 2013 7:07pm
big bruv

“Making dinner now, but will come back and post a link on the damage that porn does to your brain…”

That would be great, while you are at it come back with a link that proves the damage being molested by a priest does to a young person. Or, you could come back with a link that proves the damage that the Catholic religion does to a young persons mind.
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March 13, 2013 7:07pm
wat dabney

Oh do hurry, Lucia.
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March 13, 2013 7:07pm
Redbaiter

“Last time I checked, it was the right that was losing.”

If your reading skills were up to scratch you would have realised that was half my point. The other half was the reason the right is losing, and that is because their efforts are constantly undermined by fucked in the head liberals like you. Politically confused novices who will just never get it and are easy meat for the left.
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March 13, 2013 7:10pm
Redbaiter

Lucia- please take my advice. Don’t waste your time on obsessive atheists. They’re beyond reason and Bruv in particular is just an ignorant thug.

Why you worry about such pathetic lowlife trash as Bruv, and subject yourself to his stinking cowardly behaviour is something I will never understand.
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March 13, 2013 7:12pm
Kea

Lucia Maria, no it does not enslave. It taps into a normal human desire that was there anyway. I have no desire to get into a cut n’ paste link war with you. For every link you post I could post two.

How about you dont watch Porn and bask in the belief your more moral, and I enjoy watching a good healthy bit of porn ?

I do not want to change your mind. Your conservative christian and I have no problem with that. But I do have a seriously big problem with you imposing your morality on others through the state, by force of law.

You do your thing, I do mine. Simple.
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March 13, 2013 7:13pm
Redbaiter

“Redbaiter would be busy down some dirty alleyway beating up on a poofter or something.”

You pathetic piece of smearing trash. I once spent time in hospital for defending a “poofter” from a beating. As I said, you’re a typical left wing fuckwit whose perceptions on this matter stretch no further than calling anyone who opposes marriage redefinition a hater and a bigot. Fucking hopeless.
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March 13, 2013 7:17pm
Kea

“Last time I checked, it was the right that was losing.”

If your reading skills were up to scratch you would have realised that was half my point.

Red, my reading skills are ok thanks. I am a bit concerned about yours though. If your point is that the “right” is losing, then how do you explain your accusations I am a commie/brainwashed liberal/progressive/lefty on the losing side ?

I had a feeling you would take the bait Mr Baiter and put yourself in a corner with this one. Smart arse.
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March 13, 2013 7:20pm
Longknives

Did I read correctly? Lucia is going to provide us a link to Porn?
Wahay!!
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March 13, 2013 7:21pm
Redbaiter

“If your point is that the “right” is losing, then how do you explain your accusations I am a commie/brainwashed liberal/progressive/lefty on the losing side ? ”

To anyone with average intelligence this wouldn’t need explanation. You perceive yourself as right, but really all you are is a weak and malleable tool of the left who unknowingly does more work to benefit them than you do damage against them. One only needs to read your simpleton contributions to the debates on this forum to know that.
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March 13, 2013 7:25pm
Kea

you’re a typical left wing fuckwit whose perceptions on this matter stretch no further than calling anyone who opposes marriage redefinition a hater and a bigot.

No I do not. I do not use the term “bigot”, “hater” or claim “offence”. I consider those dishonest manipulations that do not address the issue. Same as calling someone a “racist” it means nothing.

You will find me rather tolerant of those who oppose gay marriage and have often said so. I advise them to stick with their beliefs and not to worry what others are doing.

You are trying to write up a strawman parody of my position to rant at.
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March 13, 2013 7:25pm
Redbaiter

You just said that I would be found beating up poofters in alley ways but demand to be excused from calling people bigots. Proving once again you’re a liberal for that is the only kind of fuckwit such nonsense would make sense to.
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March 13, 2013 7:28pm
Kea

Oh dear Reddy you really should have given up on this.

You say I am left…. and the left is winning….then say I am on the losing side. Silly boy.

You could not win any sort of battle with your divisive approach. You have a remarkable ability to alienate potential allies and put everyone off side. I admire your single mindedness, but your strategy sucks.

Btw, what were you doing down a dark alley with a poofter Red ?
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March 13, 2013 7:32pm
Redbaiter

Case closed. Your idiocy leaves the argument beyond doubt.

You’re completely self deluded about being any kind of real right winger, and you’ll never be more than a minor itch to the left.

BTW, read my latest blog post. I am not out to convince fuckwits like you of your errors. We just need you out of the way if we are ever to completely defeat the left.
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March 13, 2013 7:35pm
Kea

Red, I never use the term “bigot” you halfwit. I am not asking to be “excused” from anything.
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March 13, 2013 7:36pm
Kea

Longknives (2,254) Says:
March 13th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Did I read correctly? Lucia is going to provide us a link to Porn?
Wahay!!

I am sitting here with a box of tissues waiting for the show to begin 🙂
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March 13, 2013 7:37pm
nasska

Porno in stained glass. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hymlq7in5rzifqq/Religion%203%20%282%29.jpg
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March 13, 2013 7:47pm
RF

Big Bruv. 6.40pm. I agree 100%. The indecent haste to bring that thug guilford back into the rugby fold is not only pathetic it just fucken stinks of hypocrisy. What’s going happen when he decks someone again.

The gutless Crusaders will stoop to nothing in order to try and salvage their lack luster team. Tossers !!

Hell will freeze over before I will ever watch a rugby game or support a team.

They are just bone head knuckle dragging fuckwits.
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March 13, 2013 7:48pm
nasska

Kea

Peace and Blessings upon you, Praise be to Allah.

I must mention to you that you should not be gazing at photos of women with uncovered faces, such viewing is haraam because these are the ways that lead to falling into the sin of zina (fornication, adultery).
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March 13, 2013 7:52pm
pollywog

Bill English is shit at his job!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8420942/Ministers-pressured-Solid-Energy-Parliament-told
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March 13, 2013 7:57pm
Steve (North Shore)

I realy want to see what porn does to my brain. but only Lucy knows.
We wait, we wait, why are we waiting?
Lucy is preparing dinner, the Catholic way – um thats fucking ages, and then desert
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March 13, 2013 7:57pm
nasska

“I got fired today”, the bloke in the pub tells his mate. “I was downloading porn on the work computer & caused everything to crash.”

“That’s a bit harsh,” was the reply.

“They don’t fuck around at Air Traffic Control.”
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March 13, 2013 8:00pm
Kea

nasska (5,845) Says:
March 13th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Kea

Peace and Blessings upon you, Praise be to Allah.

I must mention to you that you should not be gazing at photos of women with uncovered faces, such viewing is haraam because these are the ways that lead to falling into the sin of zina (fornication, adultery).

“Islamic Extremists Love XXX Porn
So how does a pious Islamic terrorist pass the time? He watches hardcore porn. At least one of two Islamic terrorist planning attack on the US from Canada does”

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/173405.php
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March 13, 2013 8:22pm
pollywog

Better pay and benefits are now more important to Kiwis than job security, thanks to greater optimism in the job market, a survey shows.

The survey of 7000 New Zealanders by recruitment and human resources firm Randstad found 19 per cent now viewed competitive salary and employee benefits as the most important factor in choosing an employer.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8420830/Job-market-optimism-grows

I can just imagine the criteria to participate…

“Are you over 40, own your own home and make more than 75k a year in a secure job ?”

…then of course you want more perks and more money.
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March 13, 2013 8:27pm
nasska

Dirty buggers aren’t they Kea? Mind you I’m not sure what would have worse for Osama ben Laden…..the fact he got found and killed, or that he has had to explain to a bunch of suicide bombers where their virgins are. 🙂
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March 13, 2013 8:29pm
Fletch

I think I found the link to the PDF Lucia was talking about HERE, although I think she may have slightly different material. It’s probably too involved to try to explain the whole thing here as it talks about at least three different chemical processes in the brain, but to sum up:

The author talks about how pornography can be an addiction. I think we can all accept that. But he goes on to say that addiction, any addiction, including porn, overeating, drugs, etc can actually damage the frontal lobe of the brain – it doesn’t have to be a chemical addiction – and that this lobe damage is similar to what surgeons see in a car accident when a passenger hits their head and also damages their brain. The paper has citations for every study he talks about, and here is an excerpt –

In the front, over the eyes, are the frontal lobes. These areas are important in judgment, and if the brain were a car the frontal lobe would be the brake. The frontal lobes have important connections to the pleasure pathways, so pleasure can be controlled. In the center of the brain is the nucleus accumbens.

This almond sized area is a key pleasure reward center, and when activated by dopamine and other neurotransmitters it causes us to value and desire pleasure rewards. Dopamine is essential for humans to desire and value appropriate pleasure in life. Without dopamine, we would not be as incentivized to eat, procreate, or even to try to win a game. It’s the overuse of the dopamine reward system that causes addiction. When the pathways are used compulsively, a downgrading occurs which actually decreases the amount of dopamine in the pleasure areas available for use, and causes the dopamine cells themselves to atrophy, or shrink. The reward cells in the nucleus accumbens are now starved for dopamine, and exist in a state of dopamine craving, as a downgrading of dopamine receptors on the pleasure cells occurs as well. This resetting of the pleasure thermostat produces a ‘new normal.’ In this addictive state, the person must act out in addiction to boost the dopamine to levels sufficient just to feel normal.

As the desensitization of the reward circuits continues, stronger and stronger stimuli are required to boost the dopamine. In the case of narcotic addiction, the addicted person must increase the amount of the drug to get the same high. In pornography addiction, hard core replaces soft core, and progressively more shocking images are required to stimulate the person. As a feedback of sorts, the frontal lobes also atrophy, or shrink. Think of it as a ‘wearing out of the brake pads.’ This physical and functional decline in the judgment center of the brain causes the person to become impaired in the ability to process consequences of acting out in addiction. Addiction scientists have called this condition hypofrontality, and have noted the similarity in behavior in the addicted to the behavior of patients with frontal brain damage.

As neurosurgeons, we frequently treat people with frontal lobe damage. In a car wreck, for instance, even with an airbag the brain decelerates into the back of the forehead inside the skull, bruising the frontal lobes. Patients with frontal lobe damage exhibit a constellation of behaviors we call frontal lobe syndrome.

First, they are impulsive, in that they will thoughtlessly engage in activities with little regard as to consequence. Second, they are compulsive. They become fixated or focused on certain objects or behaviors, and have to have it, no matter what. Third, they become emotionally labile, and have sudden and unpredictable mood swings, and fourth, they exhibit impaired judgment.

So cortical hypofrontality, or shrinkage of the frontal lobes causes these four behaviors, and can result from a car wreck or from addiction!

Lets look at studies examining drug addiction and the effect on frontal lobes. This is a study on cocaine addiction published in 2002,9 and it shows volume loss, or shrinkage, in several areas of the brain, particularly the frontal control areas. What about methamphetamine? This study from 2004 shows very similar results

Of course, we expect drugs to damage the brain, so these studies don’t really surprise us. Consider, though, a natural addiction such as overeating leading to obesity. Your might be surprised to know that a study published in 2006 showed shrinkage in the frontal lobes in obesity which was very similar to the cocaine and methamphetamine studies!11 And pertinent to our subject, a study published in 2007 imaging the brains of persons exhibiting severe sexual addiction looked almost identical to the cocaine, methamphetamine, and obesity studies.

He also talks about what happens when someone gets addicted to masturbation to porn online –

In my experience as a sexual therapist, any individual who regularly masturbates to pornography is at risk of becoming, in time, a sexual addict, as well as conditioning himself into having a sexual deviancy and/or disturbing a bonded relationship with a spouse or girlfriend. We are wired to bond to the object of our sexuality. This is a good thing when this bonding occurs in a committed marriage relationship, but there is a dark side. When sexual gratification occurs in the context of pornography use, it can result in the formation of a virtual mistress of sorts. Dr. Victor Cline describes this process as follows:

A frequent side effect is that it also dramatically reduces their capacity to love (e.g., it results in a marked dissociation of sex from friendship, affection, caring, and other normal healthy emotions and traits which help marital relationships). Their sexual side becomes in a sense dehumanized. Many of them develop an “alien ego state” (or dark side), whose core is antisocial lust devoid of most values. In time, the “high”” obtained from masturbating to pornography becomes more important than real life relationships…. It makes no difference if one is an eminent physician, attorney, minister, athlete, corporate executive, college president, unskilled laborer, or an average 15-year-old boy.

All can be conditioned into deviancy. The process of masturbatory conditioning is inexorable and does not spontaneously remiss. The course of this illness may be slow and is nearly always hidden from view. It is usually a secret part of the man’s life, and like a cancer, it keeps growing and spreading. It rarely ever reverses itself, and it is also very difficult to treat and heal. Denial on the part of the male addict and refusal to confront the problem are typical and predictable, and this almost always leads to marital or couple disharmony, sometimes divorce and sometimes the breaking up of other intimate relationships.

Well worth reading.
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March 13, 2013 8:33pm
pollywog

Labour has tabled documents in Parliament showing that ministers put pressure on Solid Energy in 2009 to increase its debt levels and pay bigger dividends, despite warnings a falling coal price could crimp its profits.

Finance Minister Bill English confirmed the instruction in a letter from then state-owned enterprises minister Simon Power to the state coalminer’s chairman, John Palmer.

“The Government, in its first term, looked at SOE balance sheets and decided many of them could carry more debt. It made a decision to allow Solid Energy to take on more debt,” English said.

He had approved a higher debt level in 2009.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8420942/Ministers-pressured-Solid-Energy-Parliament-told

Further to my previous post, I would like to add that English is not just shit at his job, but really fucking shit at it !!!
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March 13, 2013 8:33pm
nasska

Piles playing up again Off White with an Attitude?

You seem to be trying to spread dissent & bitterness amongst our gentle commenters. 🙂
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March 13, 2013 8:34pm
Steve (North Shore)

7.03 pm til 8.36pm and still nothing from the dodger
Black smoke/ White smoke?
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March 13, 2013 8:37pm
nasska

Probably taking time out for a bit of research Steve. 🙂
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March 13, 2013 8:40pm
big bruv

I do find it interesting that Bedwetter works himself into a lather about the way that the left are supposedly going to take away our freedoms, yet in the next breath he defends somebody like Lucia who is the personification of evil and proud of her desire to force the fucked up view of the Catholic church upon the rest of us.

Remember that Lucia is of the opinion that those who choose to have kids via IVF treatment are sinners, its not bad enough for a couple who are desperate to have their own kids deal with the fact that they cannot conceive without the help of medical science but to have to put up with the ravings of a religious bigot like Lucia is beyond belief.

Mind you, that is nothing new from Bedwetter, he is a hypocrite of the highest order and a blatant liar.
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March 13, 2013 8:42pm
pollywog

There’s no dissent if no-one disagrees nasska.

General consensus seems to support my postulation 😛
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March 13, 2013 8:45pm
nasska

Save me some of whatever you’re smoking…..it’s good shit! 🙂
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March 13, 2013 8:47pm
wat dabney

There is good evidence showing that access to pornography reduces the number of rapes.

The conclusion must be that if priests had greater access to porn they would rape fewer children.
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March 13, 2013 8:51pm
UglyTruth

Mind you I’m not sure what would have worse for Osama ben Laden…..the fact he got found and killed

December 26, 2001, Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month.

In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge.

http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/
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March 13, 2013 8:52pm
Griff

Poly black with a wog vengeance.
Share it round bro.
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March 13, 2013 8:53pm
nasska

It’s God’s way of testing them wat. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie816qm318k1zuo/pedophil444.jpg
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March 13, 2013 8:56pm
pollywog

I am griff !!!

I’m sharing the truth but you might have to pull your head out of your arse and clean the shit out of your ears to hear it.

I don’t hold much faith that you can do that though.
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March 13, 2013 8:56pm
Rhodie

Louisa Wall and all she is and has been. Previously a rugby player and now an MP. A very good case for a sex change.
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March 13, 2013 9:00pm
Fletch

There is good evidence showing that access to pornography reduces the number of rapes.

Not so.

https://againstpornography.org/debunkmythofcatharsis.html
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March 13, 2013 9:03pm
Rodders

Evening Fletch – how art thou? Are you sure that is the correct link?
I can’t find your standard cut & paste condemnation of homosexuality in that article.
Perhaps I missed it?
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March 13, 2013 9:21pm
Kea

Fletch, If YOU feel inclined to rape after watching pornography then YOU stop watching it. The rest of us do not feel that temptation.

Do you really want the government to decide matters of morality? How would you feel if the government was made up of a bunch of gays set to dismantle all traditional social norms, would you be happy with that government dictating morality to you and enforcing it by force of law ?

I think not.
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March 13, 2013 9:27pm
Griff

Dont encourage him this mornings cut and paste gave me rsi
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March 13, 2013 9:27pm
Fletch

How would you feel if the government was made up of a bunch of gays set to dismantle all traditional social norms

It isn’t?
At least, it’s getting that way..
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March 13, 2013 9:33pm
Fletch

Gee, instead of joke night, it looks like we have ‘Defend Porn’ evening.
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March 13, 2013 9:34pm
Rodders

…as opposed to the ‘Condemn Gays’ mornings and afternoons.
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March 13, 2013 9:36pm
Fletch

ps… UPDATE.

Go to xtra.co.nz (or nz.yahoo.com) and check out the poll they are running there –

Would you like to see the Marriage Amendment Bill passed?

Yes 32% (3051)
No 64% (6047)
I’m Not sure 4% (422)

That’s a turn up, isn’t it?
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March 13, 2013 9:38pm
Rodders

Fletch, how did you manage to vote so many times?
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March 13, 2013 9:39pm
Griff

The conservatives love astro turfing polls.
It has been done on here.
Of course it was a poll about gay stuff
Bum sex seems to get them very excited.
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March 13, 2013 9:46pm
Kea

Fletch (4,026) Says:
March 13th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
How would you feel if the government was made up of a bunch of gays set to dismantle all traditional social norms

It isn’t?
At least, it’s getting that way..

Well it was under Clark. Though I must say I did agree with prostitution reform. Its about the only thing the evil bitch did that I do agree with. Free market and all that stuff.
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March 13, 2013 9:52pm
Kea

When is Lucy going to give us those PORN links she promised ? It is not very christian to let the boys down like that, now is it !
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March 13, 2013 9:53pm
Rodders

Second reading passed 77-44. The only ‘poll’ that counts.
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March 13, 2013 10:19pm
Fletch

Rodders, yes unfortunately; where the voters are liberal progressive politicians, the bulk of whom vote to please themselves and follow their own agendas.
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March 13, 2013 10:22pm
Rodders

Listening to the debate on the radio, I particularly enjoyed Chris Auchinvole’s speech.
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March 13, 2013 10:30pm
Ryan Sproull

Auchinvole was fucking great.
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March 13, 2013 10:34pm
Fletch

I notice that Winston Peters motion calling for a binding referendum was defeated 83 to 33.

They would never have allowed it to the public to decide. Not after the smacking referendum.
I’m betting the public would have voted against same-sex marriage.
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March 13, 2013 10:55pm
Griff

Gay adoption
Still better that than a catholic run house of child rape and torture.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims
‘Endemic’ rape and abuse of Irish children in Catholic care, inquiry finds
Beatings and humiliation by nuns and priests were common at institutions that held up to 30,000 children, Ryan report states

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1184828/Revealed-decades-ritual-child-abuse-Catholic-schools-orphanages-damned-report.html#ixzz2NPccg7Vc
Revealed, six decades of ‘ritual’ child abuse: Catholic schools and orphanages damned in report
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March 13, 2013 10:57pm
Rodders

I’m betting the public would have voted against same-sex marriage.

I wouldn’t lay odds on that, Fletch.
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March 13, 2013 11:00pm
Lucia Maria

Here you go, Kea. Knock yourself out.

On purpose laid to make the taker mad

Read also the first link given in the related links at the bottom of the post.
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March 13, 2013 11:03pm
bc

Second reading passed? Ye gods, the world is coming to an end!
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nah not really.
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March 13, 2013 11:49pm
Manolo

Will Captain Mumblefuck order the same here? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/9927580/Vladimir-Putin-calls-for-revival-of-Soviet-era-physical-fitness-tests.html
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March 14, 2013 6:09am
Viking2

Ah the pitter patter of ———- rain on the roof.

yep A couple of hours of nice gentle rain this morning.
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March 14, 2013 7:08am
Viking2

So the Romans and their followers will all be on the piss today then.
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March 14, 2013 7:18am
Griff

A new chief grope

Papal conclave: Catholic Church has new pope as white smoke rises
The Catholic Church has chosen a new pope. White smoke is billowing from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, meaning 115 cardinals in a papal conclave have elected a new leader.
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What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

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