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Right of way is Way of Right

Happy Birthday Douglas Adams

(First!)
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March 11, 2013 8:03am
radvad

This guy is not going to take it anymore. Neither should we.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/09/adam-carolla-rips-the-huffington-post-media-you-guys-all-have-blood-on-your-hands/
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March 11, 2013 8:09am
eszett

Right of way is Way of Right (1,027) Says:
March 11th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Happy Birthday Douglas Adams

(First!)

You really should have waited for the 42nd.
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March 11, 2013 8:26am
RF

Shucks… Smart arse, I am a funny man Ali Williams is having a sulk.

All his previous crap has come back to bite him in the arse. Life is tough.
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March 11, 2013 8:46am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10870402
“Editorial: Ruling on tax for housing workers just madness”

The Commissioner of Inland Revenue has ruled that employers who send people to work away from their usual home for a period [eg to do Christchurch earthquake repairs] must pay tax on the value of accommodation provided for them.

Seems the need for a quick Gerry order to fix this with respect to Christchurch.

“This appears to be another of those arbitrary decisions that is based on a literal and unreasonable reading of tax law.”
This underlines a further issue. Tax experts yearn for a literal ‘black letter’ interpretation of the law and has argued this way in recent high profile tax cases, but IRD argued for a ‘purposeful’ interpretation and the judges accepted that.

Now IRD is relying on ‘black letter’ interpretation with respect to employee accommodation – seems IRD is trying to have it both ways.
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March 11, 2013 8:47am
Sofia

Cardinals denied access to report
In the Relatio are the findings of three cardinal-detectives, appointed last year by former pope Benedict XVI to investigate the leaking of documents from his study. The cardinals, headed by a Spanish member of the Opus Dei fellowship, Cardinal Julian Herranz, discovered the main source of the leaks – the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele.
But they found a great deal else. According to one unconfirmed report, they stumbled on a gay sex ring in the Vatican, some of whose members had been blackmailed.
Already dismayed by the blunders that marred Benedict’s papacy, many of the cardinals in Rome to elect his successor are seething with resentment towards the Roman Curia, the predominantly Italian bureaucracy that administers the Catholic Church. “The anti-curial – and anti-Italian – feeling is almost palpable,” said a source close to their deliberations.
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On the first day of last week’s pre-conclave discussions, three cardinals demanded that Herranz circulate the Relatio. For Massimo Franco, author of a book on the protracted crisis rocking the Vatican, this was more than prurient curiosity. “The cardinals must vote with a clear view of the situation in the Vatican. Otherwise, they could be voting for a pope who is accused of wrongdoing in the report. If that comes out afterwards, it would cause mayhem.”
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10870441

How fallible are those who would elect an infallible Pope?
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March 11, 2013 8:50am
Pete George

A new low – higher standard banned, ridiculing the ridiculous was always a risk but banned for yawning? The comrades insist on showing an approved standard of interest.

For the most part, the discussion on this blog is reasonable and informed, even when contributors don’t agree with me. People like hs belong with their vicious slobbering mates on other blogs, where “Must be a dud root” is seen as an intellectual contribution.

That’s from The Standard – where yawning is banned.
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March 11, 2013 8:53am
MT_Tinman

The Tinman is on holiday!

Unlike Dime he will not be spending time in a foreign clime getting deafened but overseas, in the serene atmosphere of the Basin Reserve, watching NZ thrash the Poms.

Any suggestions for refreshment and/or entertainment venues for the evenings in the fine city of Wellington will be appreciated.
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March 11, 2013 8:59am
barry

peterwn (1,989) Says:
March 11th, 2013 at 8:47 am

Yes – it does seem crazy that construction workers accomodation is in the taxable activity area – but I know of several senior managers who commute each week say from Hamilton to Wellington and the company pays travel and accomodation.

I think the CEO of Chch is also doing this. Whose paying for this expense? – the rate payers.

I say that if they want these jobs – high paying at that – then they should move.
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March 11, 2013 9:00am
Manolo

@MT_Tinman,
Walking distance from the Basin, at the other end of Cambridge Terrace, you will find The Tasting Room, which makes a delicious Beef Wellington (must be washed down with a good stout or a hearty red wine). Enjoy!
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March 11, 2013 9:02am
barry

Sofia (533) Says:
March 11th, 2013 at 8:50 am

Your post was gong great until you got to the infallable bit…..

The Pope aint infallable – hes just the one who has to make a decision – and in times past when the church had more respect and authority – the Popes decisions were classified by the Vatican as Infallable so that the followers would be too scared to question it.
Back then, questioning the Pope – or kings etc – usually resulted in the removal of ones head!! – but the vatican had learned that this often didnt work and just encouraged rebellion – so they used ex-communication as the tool – and the followers all believed in the effect of ex-communication (you aint going to heaven and you will burn in hell forever) . It worked so well that most still believe it today.
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March 11, 2013 9:07am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8406711/Pilots-death-leaves-a-massive-hole

We flew into the Kaimanawas on Wednesday with this guy and were due to be picked up by him yesterday morning. I didnt at the time know he was laying dead on a hill about 5 kms away from me.

RIP Mark you were a good bastard.
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March 11, 2013 9:20am
Pete George

Newstalk ZB: Queen expected to back pledge promoting gay rights

The Queen is expected to back a historic pledge to promote gay rights and gender equality, in one of the most controversial acts of her reign.

During a live television broadcast she will sign a new charter designed to stamp out discrimination against homosexual people and promote the empowerment of women.

The Queen will sign the new Commonwealth Charter and make a speech explaining her passionate commitment to it.

Insiders spoken to by the Daily Mail say her decision to highlight the event is a ‘watershed’ moment – the first time she’s clearly signalled her support for gay rights

Time to review our links with the monarchy? Or should we congratulate the Queen on making socially relevant comment for a change?
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March 11, 2013 9:22am
magsta

@MT Tinman… for your morning caffeine hit try Salvation Coffee at 75 Adelaide Rd (also has tasty grub);
for your lunch try Lychee Restaurant, Arthur St – exquisite Sichuan eggplant.
Many choices for dinner depending on yr finances…… Beijing Restaurant in Newtown, and Ambeli in Mt Vic are the best in Wellington for my style of dining. (Superb food without the bullshit ).

Maggy Wassilieff
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March 11, 2013 9:32am
Lance

I see the IRD aided and abetted by Dunne are wanting to heavily tax what a company does with it it’s own concrete on it’s own premises.

AKA parking

Thieves.
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March 11, 2013 9:36am
Manolo

Bound to cause damage over here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10870266
A bullet could save all the trouble.
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March 11, 2013 9:36am
Colville

MT Tinman.
Very top end of Wellywood dining is Loganbrown. Awesome and priced accordingly.
Boulcott Bistro is also primo. No reservations but a great bar to wait at.
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March 11, 2013 9:38am
Manolo

Georgina could do the same in Wellington: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8624150/lesbian-frontrunner-in-new-york-mayor-race
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March 11, 2013 9:38am
Monique Watson

White House tours banned:

http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7654457283081405519#editor/target=post;postID=1584983707248068213

Costs 74,000 a week to run the tours
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March 11, 2013 10:38am
Monique Watson

OMFG. IRD are taxing business expenses as perks?

Where does Peter Dunne stand on this Badger?

Signed, interested Book-keeper.
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March 11, 2013 10:45am
Pete George

Monique – tax is what other people shouldn’t be able to avoid.

Talking of Dunne, Tracey Watkins has picked up on his blog post last week:

When political weather vane Peter Dunne starts putting some distance between himself and the government of the day, you know something is up.

Mr Dunne has a nose for spotting political turning points; he served in Helen Clark’s ministry but, once Labour looked like a lost cause, declared they were ideologically incompatible and started playing footsy with John Key.

Fast forward four years and Mr Dunne is starting to look sideways at National. In a blog which would have raised a few eyebrows among his government allies, Mr Dunne warned National about the potential for some of its tactics to explode in its face.

…someone should poke their head above the parapet long enough to heed Mr Dunne’s warning. He has watched more governments come and go than most MPs. And his is a reminder that there is a danger point which all governments reach, when their greatest strengths can also become their Achilles heel.

…it might be a sign that National has come to believe too firmly in its own infallibility.

More warning bells about the embubbled arrogance of power.
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March 11, 2013 10:53am
Monique Watson

NZ T & E have put up this virtual eye flyover of America’s Cup course and landmarks.

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/03/americas-cup-virtual-eye.html
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March 11, 2013 10:54am
Fletch

Scientists are now saying that greenhouse gas is the only thing that is stopping us going back to freezing in an ice age.

Scientists say that if natural factors were still governing the climate, the Northern Hemisphere would probably be destined to freeze over again in several thousand years. “We were on this downward slope, presumably going back toward another ice age,” Dr. Marcott said. Instead, scientists believe the enormous increase in greenhouse gases caused by industrialization will almost certainly prevent that.

Great! That means we can all forgo this carbon tax nonsense.
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March 11, 2013 10:59am
hinamanu

Worthy thoughts to ponder for the coming dark times

Financial Bubble to Collapse America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbuuAyj-YHs
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March 11, 2013 10:59am
RightNow

How to green the world’s deserts and reverse climate change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vpTHi7O66pI
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March 11, 2013 11:04am
Fletch

Monique, re: White House tours. Obama is just being a complete w*nker.
Because he didn’t get his way over the sequester, he is making the public suffer, just like an impudent brat.
He was offered the choice by the GOP of implementing the cuts where they would do least damage but he is going the other route by cancelling White House tours and also cancelling the tuition programme for its Marine troops.

http://www.stripes.com/news/army-suspends-tuition-assistance-program-for-troops-1.210999

Meanwhile, the White House is going to invite both Adele and Beyonce to perform for Michelle Obama’s 50th birthday.
Utterly pathetic. I have no respect for this POTUS and his wife whatsoever.

Teenage students who was supposed to be visiting the White House put it well – ““I think he’s taking it out on young people especially. President Obama is using American children as pawns in a game of political chess”. ““I thought it would be a for-sure thing because it’s the White House. It’s the People’s House. I thought we were going to get in.”

Exactly. It’s not the President’s house. The People own it and let him stay there.
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March 11, 2013 11:12am
hinamanu

Keiser Report: Mon-Satan

Published on Mar 7, 2013

In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss Mon-Satan before the Supreme Court as the vertical devastation of copyright monopolies become apparent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeUyxitcCCo
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March 11, 2013 11:15am
Harriet

DPF#

I’ve just come across this at The Daily blog: when-will-david-farrar-and-cameron-slater-apologize-for-climate-denial

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/11/when-will-david-farrar-and-cameron-slater-apologize-for-climate-denial/
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March 11, 2013 11:18am
Kea

Harriet (1,343) Says:

March 11th, 2013 at 11:18 am
DPF#

I’ve just come across this at The Daily blog: when-will-david-farrar-and-cameron-slater-apologize-for-climate-denial

The article has this to say:

“The world is now warmer than at almost any time since the end of the last Ice Age and, on present trends, will continue to reach a record high for the entire period since the dawn of civilisation, a study has found.”

It goes on to indulge in the usual slander and misrepresentations agains David & Cameron.

Of course the world is warmer than it was since the Ice Age. I do not think anyone is disputing that ! The “dawn of civilistion” is only possible because of that warming. If the world climate is at a record high, since the Ice Age, then the question to ask it; Is this warming normal following the end of an Ice Age ? I would be interested to see how it compares to all the other Ice Ages and interglacial periods.

If we look at the climate cycle we see that we are either emerging from an Ice Age (warming) or heading towards an Ice Age (cooling). There is no evidence at all that supports the warmist idea that there is a “correct” static temperature, that just happens to support human activity as it is now. That is not science and is the sort of thinking that we expect in a religion.

Climate is always changing. I have seen no evidence that the worlds natural climatic change is now over ridden by human activity.
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March 11, 2013 11:35am
Pete George

I have seen no evidence that the worlds natural climatic change is now over ridden by human activity.

Have you seen any evidence that the world’s natural climatic change hasn’t been adversely affected by human activity?
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March 11, 2013 11:47am
hinamanu

Bitcoin

In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss both the Dow and bitcoin hitting an all time high as the Fed continues to print $85 billion per month for Wall Street handouts whilst the sequester cuts $85 billion from services to the poor, the elderly and soldiers. They also talk about house prices tripling to all time highs in Hong Kong (thanks to quantitative easing) whilst ‘surreal’ ghost cities are built in mainland China but which nobody can afford and about how incomes in America are collapsing – thanks to quantitative easing. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser talks to Charles Hugh Smith of OfTwoMinds.com about both socialism and capitalism leading to debtism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t39jCXXIrY
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March 11, 2013 11:52am
Kea

Have you seen any evidence that the world’s natural climatic change hasn’t been adversely affected by human activity?

Have you seen any evidence that the world’s natural climatic change hasn’t been adversely affected by ~~human~~ Unicorn activity?
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March 11, 2013 11:53am
wat dabney

‘”The world is now warmer than at almost any time since the end of the last Ice Age“‘

Note their use of the weasel word “almost.”

It’s a deceitful way of saying that the world is actually not warmer than at any time since the end of the last Ice Age.

“700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed to peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period, which the IPCC has tried to deny, was real, global, and warmer than the present. ”

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monthly_report/sppi_monthly_co2_report_may.html?Itemid=0
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March 11, 2013 12:03pm
Pete George

Kea, that’s just about the dumbest response I’ve seen from you. Unicorns aren’t real so we should discount all climate science?
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March 11, 2013 12:15pm
wreck1080

It is extremely worrying that councils are increasingly having to ‘co-govern’ with iwi. This is a creeping cancer that will cause grief.

Iwi are wielding authoritative power over councils on many important environmental issues despite being unelected.

This is becoming of more concern to me and I think that maybe NZ will not a good place to be in the future, unless you are maori. My children will be second class citizens and their say in local and national government will be marginalized by unclear and uncertain maori authority.

Watching the northland council kissing maori arses for closing 90 mile beach for a few hours for the top gear filming was embarrassing.
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March 11, 2013 12:41pm
MT_Tinman

Thanks folks, all the recommendations are noted.

Manolo, The Tasting Room sounds fantastic. My mouth waters already.
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March 11, 2013 1:16pm
RightNow

Pete George (16,607) Says:
March 11th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Kea, that’s just about the dumbest response I’ve seen from you. Unicorns aren’t real so we should discount all climate science?

Have you seen any evidence that unicorns aren’t real Pete?
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March 11, 2013 1:40pm
TheContrarian

Pete, I am fairly sure Kea was pointing out your fallacy for asking for proof of a negative
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March 11, 2013 2:14pm
hinamanu

NZ banks to face fee class action

Three legal firms are calling for New Zealanders to sign up to participate in class actions to claim back excessive bank default fees.

They claim the banks have unfairly charged about $1 billion in fees over the past six years. More than a million New Zealanders are eligible to join.

The legal action – claimed to be the largest the country has seen – is being led by New Zealand lawyer Andrew Hooker, Australian class action experts Slater & Gordon and litigation funder Litigation Lending Services (NZ).

Fair Play on Fees lawyer Hooker says banks have been overcharging Kiwi customers on default fees for years.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8408827/NZ-banks-to-face-fee-class-action
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March 11, 2013 2:20pm
Kiwisaint

Tasting room is great. When I was last there just over 3 weeks ago they had a promotion where all Monteiths jugs were $10 before 9pm every night 😀
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March 11, 2013 2:49pm
Manolo

Only time will judge Bernanke’s performance: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/b586044e-874c-11e2-bde6-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2NC4TUbfT
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March 11, 2013 3:19pm
Jimbob

RightNow @ 11:04am. Very good solution by Savoy, the thing is we already do this in NZ, with much disgust from the Greens.
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March 11, 2013 3:55pm
bereal

Pete George,
a quick scan through the GD today reveals you are receiving a good old fashioned thrashing in
the thumbs down department.
you can’t seem to be able to take a trick at all.

This is what happens when a correspondent such as yourself abandons his usual spot on the fence
and takes a position on something.
Doesn’t work for you mate.

Kea made a good point regarding unicorns.
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March 11, 2013 4:48pm
bhudson

Have you seen any evidence that the world’s natural climatic change hasn’t been adversely affected by human activity?

@PG,

How does one prove a negative? Where is the sound reasoning behind using such an argument?
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March 11, 2013 4:57pm
Manolo

How does one prove a negative? Where is the sound reasoning behind using such an argument?

I’ll ask my dear friend: are you trying to justify Labour lite’s ETS? 😀
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March 11, 2013 5:03pm
Judith

Monique Watson (954) Says:
March 11th, 2013 at 10:45 am

Where does Peter Dunne stand on this Badger?

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Where he always stands – next to the person that will offer him a seat, and keep his perks coming.
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March 11, 2013 5:05pm
bhudson

@Manolo,

I’m not actually addressing climate change or responses, merely pointing out that proving a negative is impossible and is an ineffective line of argument in any discussion.
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March 11, 2013 5:06pm
Don the Kiwi

bary.
9.07 am.

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March 11th, 2013 at 8:50 am

Your post was gong great until you got to the infallable bit…..
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“The Pope aint infallable – hes just the one who has to make a decision – and in times past when the church had more respect and authority – the Popes decisions were classified by the Vatican as Infallable so that the followers would be too scared to question it.
Back then, questioning the Pope – or kings etc – usually resulted in the removal of ones head!! – but the vatican had learned that this often didnt work and just encouraged rebellion – so they used ex-communication as the tool – and the followers all believed in the effect of ex-communication (you aint going to heaven and you will burn in hell forever) . It worked so well that most still believe it today.”

Where do you guys get this bullshit?

The Pope is infallible, only in matters of Faith and Morals, and when speaking ex cathdra, which is quite rare. Any other time, he is as fallible as any of us – except that he probably takes more time, deliberation, and hitorical relevence than your average person.
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March 11, 2013 5:27pm
Monique Watson

@Judith

Peter lives quite close to parliament. He’s not one for gallivanting around the globe so I fail to understand what perks you think he might be troughing.

@ Pete.
It’s a funny old electorate Ohariu. You’ve got twat loads of public servants but Peter unfailingly takes out the vote cum election day. He’s most recently driven Chuck to the UN.
I think from memory that he has a big birthday coming up this week. I wonder if his hair will start turning brown.
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March 11, 2013 7:02pm
nasska

“What do we get from the hen?” asks the teacher.

“Eggs,” says Little Susie.

“Good. And what do we get from the sheep?”

“Wool,” says Little Susie.

“Good. And what do we get from the cow?”

“Fucking homework,” says Little Johnny.
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March 11, 2013 8:00pm
Pete George

bhudson – you can prove negatives. You can prove that gravity doesn’t make things go up. You can prove that the Earth isn’t flat.

For example it should be possible to prove that cutting or burning down a large forest affects or doesn’t affect the climate. If found it doesn’t affect the climate it has proved a negative.

It’s not good enough to just refuse to accept any of a substantial amount of research evidence that supports the argument that humans affect the climate.

And some arguing against climate change (a negative) claim that there is evidence that supports this, for example that ice is not diminishing in Antarctic.
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March 11, 2013 8:17pm
Steve (North Shore)

Give it up Pete George, take off the tin foil hat and the rose tinted glasses.
I read but don’t comment a lot.
Your credibility is going down the shitter man. Sorry but someone has to tell you
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March 11, 2013 8:27pm
bhudson

PG,

I think you are misconstruing what it is to be unable to prove a negative. Look to the original statement and then show how that can be proven in the presence of human civilization.

(I’ll give you a hint.. You can only prove your statement to be true – as it was written – in the absence of human civilization.)
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March 11, 2013 8:33pm
joana

Solid energy on Campbell live tonight , what an absolute joke. They did not even know how to grow rape seed and as for the figures , did they pull them out of a hat?
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March 11, 2013 8:38pm
Rodders

Whatever “rape seed” is…
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March 11, 2013 8:41pm
joana

Goodness Rodders , you do not even know what rape seed is? Farmers have been growing it here in NZ for years. This is what Solid Energy were trying to grow to produce Canola oil.
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March 11, 2013 8:52pm
Rodders

joana, you mean rapeseed?
Please be careful if you ever have to write to a therapist, you don’t spell it “the rapist” 🙂
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March 11, 2013 8:53pm
Pete George

All is not well in Aussie cricket.

Watson, Pattinson, Johnson, Khawaja all unavailable for 3rd Test. Dumped for breach of team protocol.
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March 11, 2013 8:57pm
Pete George

I don’t agree bhudson – it should be possible to find evidence of no perceptible human effect on climate, if that were to be the case.

An example – several years ago studies claimed that red wine was beneficial for health. Then after more research it was claimed evidence showed there was no significant benefit, Then recently yet more research backs the beneficial argument again. Science frequently tests for positive and negative proof.

Saying you don’t believe the evidence there is on climate change and having no counter evidence to back your claim is not a credible argument.
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March 11, 2013 9:04pm
Cato

Don the Kiwi,

Quite right. Remember, the doctrine of Papal Infallibility was defined dogmatically way back in … 1870.

That’s not to say that it’s a new belief in any way, but that it is often misunderstood. I think it’s misnamed, actually, because it actually says is that as a logical extension of the theretofore accepted belief that the Holy Spirit will prevent the Church from teaching doctrinal error. Rather than ’empowering’ the Pope with any positive power, it simply refers to the fact that God will strike a Pope dumb or dead before he enables the Pope to lead the faithful astray.
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March 11, 2013 9:05pm
Left Right and Centre

Rodders (1,720)
March 11th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

rape seed rapeseed. There’s far worse spelling and grammar atrocities I suppose. That one I can actually live with, not that I’m an authority on all things great and good….

I can live with it!! Praise be!! It **actually** didn’t irritate me. At all. Not even a little bit. This is the best feeling ever…. fuck… rape seed… yeah, that’s cool. I don’t care!!!! YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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March 11, 2013 9:12pm
Rodders

Evening LR & C. How’s your schedule of dairy product regurgitation progressing?
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March 11, 2013 9:25pm
Left Right and Centre

Sexist shit from retarded dinosaurs today at a job interview:

‘I like women because they keep their workplace tidy like it was their house’

Generalisation and a sexist stereotype.

Nothing was ever said why it might be advantageous to employ a man. So…. does that mean you’re not as good because of your dangly wangle splangwang man parts?

What a world full of fuckin spluck-schlucker maggot masturbators….
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March 11, 2013 9:25pm
Left Right and Centre

Rodders (1,721)
March 11th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

Evening boss.

Thing is mate.. I tried it… and it didn’t actually work that well. I think you’d have to eat and vomit, eat and vomit quickly over and over otherwise it gets digested fast as and you’re stuck with the calories.

I can’t be bothered with that, so it’s back to the tried and true which is fuck the calories, run, lift weights… and pray to the calorie counting gods for ‘Happy Weight O’Clock’.

I could actually have gained some weight from muscle too…. you can’t measure muscle/ fat/ everything else ratios so that’s a bugger. Happy weight might’ve shifted slightly upwards… no way to measure it.

I had a great time trying it. Interesting experience.
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March 11, 2013 9:34pm
Rodders

I think you’d have to eat and vomit, eat and vomit quickly over and over

I’ll take your word for that.
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March 11, 2013 9:37pm
Pauleastbay

I like women because they keep their workplace tidy like it was their house’

and they’re handy at keeping the kitchen tidy at work as well. Give me a chick everytime, you can get them pissed at the Xmas do and try and nail them, the advantages are many my friend, many.

If you’r a bloke LRC just tell them you’ll get good and pissed at the Xmas do and will let people take advantage or if your’e a chick I hope you said “I’ll wear really short skirts “and you got the gig
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March 11, 2013 9:38pm
bhudson

Saying you don’t believe the evidence there is on climate change and having no counter evidence to back your claim is not a credible argument.

But then I didn’t say that PG.

Science frequently tests for positive and negative proof.

The example you gave with red wine is based on a testable hypothesis – observable differences with the consumption or otherwise of red wine, with all other factors controlled as best possible (the extent they are not weakens the results.) Your original statement is an untestable hypothesis – you cannot test the absence of human civilization. (Unless you are arguing that climate impacts are only local. Which I don’t think the Cimate change proponents are.)
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March 11, 2013 9:44pm
Left Right and Centre

I’ll take your word for that.

I’m just guessing myself. I ate a shitload and I’d say only the last helping and a bit maybe came back up…. again.. guessing. I didn’t exactly want to fuck around in the name of science measuring the volume of pink vomit… straight down the bath plughole mate… HAHAHAHAHA

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March 11th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

It was a WINZ gig. I’m never quite sure if the humanoid shapes are men or women. I think some of them might’ve been women. They sort of blur into each other at WINZ. All you see is this ginormous seething mass of humanity with multiple chins and rolls and foul smell that would turn milk into cheese weeks early and clothing that requires an entire fashion riot squad. I cross my eyes with one looking up and the other looking down.
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March 11, 2013 9:52pm
Cato

Bhudson,

When somebody tells me I don’t understand the science of climate change, I normally ask them to tell me what would falsify their claims. It turns out that nothing will. Warm weather in incontrovertible proof it is occurring – as is unseasonably cold weather. Everything proves climate change and nothing – not even an enormous blizzard – disproves it.
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March 11, 2013 10:15pm
UglyTruth

Cato,
Another of the essentials of the scientific method is repeatability, but often only organisations with government funding have the resources to acquire the data, making objective repeatability practically impossible in those cases.
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March 11, 2013 10:22pm
Manolo

A despicable totalitarian (and “academic”) speaks:
“Associate Professor Nick Wilson, the study’s lead author, said while the research showed it was possible to have a low-salt diet by making the right choices, it would be easier to achieve if Government restricted the amount of salt in everyday products.

“It could do this by regulating down the maximum level of salt permitted in commercially produced foods, particularly in bread, processed meats and sauces,” he said.

“A tax on junk food would also help as such food is usually high in salt as well as sugar and saturated fat. The money from such a tax could then fund healthy school lunches and help pay for better health services for diseases caused by high salt – especially stroke and heart attacks.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8409960/Diets-spoilt-by-too-much-salt-study

Deport him to Cuba, I reckon.
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