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Pauleastbay

SPC

People have always believed in God(s) but why are the Christians so dismissive of any other story that different races believe in. At the end of the day most of it is about rules that make sense ( don’t murder each other, pretty basic sensible stuff)

I know if I lived a good life and stated on here that i am a follower of the greek gods and I believe that by following them is the one true religion the ” superior few” on here would be decrying me as a pagan and idolterator in no time flat. Look at the shit the muslims cop because some want to blow up planes. I defy anyone to show me that every muslim on the planet agrees with terrorisim, pure bollocks.
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March 10, 2013 6:47pm
Pauleastbay

Fletch

Why does Russell need a ‘treaty’ to have sensible feelings.?

once again Fletch because , for what ever reason, you require a ‘religious constitution” to guide you through life not everyone does. But if you and i both live good lives and don’t fuck with our fellow man too much, what difference does it make where we get our good behaviour from. I personally don’t require an instrcution book to know its not cricket to shag my mates wife, but some do, but if niether of us do shag our mates wife , its a good result.
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March 10, 2013 6:51pm
Pauleastbay

People experienced the miracles of God in the old and new testaments. The people and places really existed

and there I was thinking there was a basis happening for a decent argument. Upper cut to self
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March 10, 2013 6:53pm
SPC

Pauleastbay, the monotheist premise is that the concept of Creator God is the high god (as in lesser or lower gods were the creations of men) of henotheism. The criticism of this is that the claim of knowledge of the monetheist God reduces this faith into just another creation of man. This very point was conceded at the very beginning when those of Creator Godfaith were warned not to eat the apple/claim knowledge of God.

Grace of God, unmerited entry into the Kingdom of God after death is an attempt to return to the original Godfaith. Not by obedience to the knowledge of the law of the god created by man, but by God’s love for man.
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March 10, 2013 6:57pm
Lucia Maria

Pauleastbay,

Weren’t you raised Catholic? Or have I got you confused with somebody else?
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March 10, 2013 6:58pm
Reid

The rational view can be found by looking at the description of the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34, rather than relying on a purely doctrinal interpretation.

UT I don’t see a contradiction between what I said and that passage. Where do you see it?

Reid, is not meditation and prayer only Christian in relationship to received bible and church religion?

Yes it is SPC and thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify because on re-reading my 6:20 it seems a bit like I was suggesting “what I think, goes” which I definitely don’t think. What I was meaning whether or not I clearly conveyed it, was that I use a range of sources to discern my path. If my path was always clear, laid out before me like a yellow-brick road, why it would all be simple. But it’s not simple, discernment is a critical aspect of religion and I use all my sources to discern my best current interpretation of the correct way, which I get wrong from time to time. Getting it wrong is what we call sin, and we’re all sinners, Christians and non-Christians. It’s part of the human condition. But just because I fall off the wagon from time to time or in my case, every single day, doesn’t mean I’m condemned, provided I’m serious about getting back on it and trying again and provided I’m serious about repenting: i.e. leaving my past sins behind me and not returning again and again to my own crapulence like a dog to its own vomit. That is how I see it, I can’t speak for any others but that is how I use the Bible, the teachings of my Church and Biblical scholars and prayer and everything else I use, in my way of faith. Weak though it may be.
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March 10, 2013 7:01pm
Pauleastbay

SPC, while not pretending to know bugger all about monotheism other what i just skimmed on wiki, the point I’m trying to make is what difference does it make whether you are a christian, a jew, muslim or a pagan idol worshipper if we treat each other decently. Thats what Russell was driving at.

My basic understanding of buddhism is that you can do anything you like as long as what you do does not affect any thing else in a negative fashion. Personally I think that’s a bloody good way to live, impossible perhaps, but something to strive for and as humans if we looked inwards while working towards something like that rather than minding everyone elses business , the world may be a lot better
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March 10, 2013 7:06pm
Pauleastbay

Lucia, correct I was, but I’ve had lots of experiences to turn me away, in fact the Catholic church is presently one of the most flawed organisations on earth, correction, not an organization , one of the most flawed business’s on earth, the business model is nearly perfect but its run in a hugly corrupt way.
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March 10, 2013 7:08pm
UglyTruth

I don’t see a contradiction between what I said and that passage. Where do you see it?

You said “… symbolising the Holy of Holies was now open to all”, but in the book of Jeremiah the parties to the covenant remain unchanged, i.e. the house of Israel & the house of Judah are not all people.
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March 10, 2013 7:09pm
Reid

PEB, how come Russell as someone so brainy can at the same time miss the point so profoundly?

Hasn’t he understood that religion is not a scientific matter? It can’t be replicated in a lab, it’s not something physical, you can’t measure it, therefore all the scientific tools yet invented even today let alone when he wrote that, are inadequate. This is not a comment on religion because it exists, it’s a provable phenomena. It’s a comment rather on the inadequacy of science.

BTW, how do you explain the thousands of scientists who are religious?

Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?

in the book of Jeremiah the parties to the covenant remain unchanged, i.e. the house of Israel & the house of Judah are not all people

OT vs NT UT. NT opens the doors from the tribe of Israel to all the people of the world. OT was specifically directed toward the ancient tribe of Israel (who as a side issue not relevant but may as well mention, are not the current inhabitants of the State of Israel today).
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March 10, 2013 7:10pm
Lucia Maria

Pauleastbay,

Soooo…. based on your knowledge of Catholicism, you’d be able to answer most, if not all of the questions you raised with regards to the Greek gods, I presume? Or, to save time – is there a question you can’t actually answer yourself that you’d like answered?
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March 10, 2013 7:12pm
SPC

Pauleastbay, before the birth of Yeshua/Jesus Jewish Rabbis had begun to sum up the law as doing no harm to others (moving to the realm of ethical behaviour as a code for Jews living around the world, rather than the former covenant nation law). The metaphor was standing on one leg to sum up the Torah law, then being told to use the other leg and do only good for others. Thus by using both legs, then being on the straight ahead or narrow path or way that Jesus spoke of. The Samaritans also kept the law, so the story of the Samaritan stopping to do good for a Jew by the road was an example of this occuring between peoples rather than just within one group tradition.
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March 10, 2013 7:16pm
Pauleastbay

Hasn’t he understood that religion is not a scientific matter?

He doesn’t say it is, what he says is …Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginery supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look at our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in

thats easy to understand surely, we should be able to live decent lives without relying on myth and a instruction book that has caused millions and millions to suffer because of the zealots that follow this book and that science can help us do this
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March 10, 2013 7:16pm
Pauleastbay

SPC

But people were treating each other decently for thousands of years BC they did’nt need the christian instruction book to do this, why the superior attitude , why the condemnation of other belief systems by the Christians?
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March 10, 2013 7:19pm
SPC

Reid, given the state of Israel does not include all Jews, of course the status/role of the state of Israel in religion is tenuous. But the book of Ezekiel does refer to those settling the former tribal areas and living there being seen as a new beginning for the tribes – and being seen as of those former tribes.

The inter-group problem is the difficulty for Jews/Christians/Moslems in seeing others as fellow humans of Godfaith in or of these tribes – more so given the relative difference in importance each group would place on such tribal identity.
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March 10, 2013 7:23pm
Kea

I just noticed something. The two biggest topics on KB are about things that do not exist.

AGW & God.
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March 10, 2013 7:28pm
Pauleastbay

Lucia

The only answer I would be interested in is (two actually) firstly, why Christians have this huge superiority thing over other religions when the bible ect is hugely based on the myths and the tales in the bible are common in other civilizations albeit under different names

the second one was what was the life changing event that made you revert to fundemental Catholisism
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March 10, 2013 7:29pm
SPC

Pauleastbay, religion is connected to nationalism. Nations oppressed other nations in demanding imperial tribute or war and captivity. The concept of one humanity before one God was supposed to bring peace and justice between the nations etc. Of course if there is more than one Godfaith, then the rivalry just goes global – Western Christendom vs caliphate.
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March 10, 2013 7:29pm
Pauleastbay

I may need a hand Kea, I’m getting that ganged up on feeling
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March 10, 2013 7:30pm
Pauleastbay

” Christendom vs caliphate.”

SPC

There you presuming that its all Christian, there were shitloads of relgions BC, they just came and went just like business’s and the business metaphor is not too far off the mark,- about controlling a product i.e people.
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March 10, 2013 7:34pm
UglyTruth

OT vs NT UT. NT opens the doors from the tribe of Israel to all the people of the world.

No, the doors were already open. Rahab & her family joined them way back even before the advent of the first temple.
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March 10, 2013 7:36pm
nasska

The root cause of all religion:

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8d1ekj027ibd4ve/Faith%202.jpg
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March 10, 2013 7:43pm
Fletch

why Christians have this huge superiority thing over other religions when the bible ect is hugely based on the myths and the tales in the bible are common in other civilizations albeit under different names

The Bible isn’t actually based on other myths, contrary to what the Zeitgeist movie tried to portray.
The film maker tried to create something to create a sensation, but that stuff has been debunked years ago.
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March 10, 2013 7:44pm
UglyTruth

Kea,
Regarding the “God does not exist” position, how is it that the earliest societies were adept in construction (eg Gobekli Tepe, Puma Punku)? They must have had help of some kind, and they wrote about deities.
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March 10, 2013 7:46pm
SPC

Pauleastbay – I’ll rephrase my answer then, Christians saw their one Godfaith for all people as superceding the religions of the nations before Zion. The tactic struggled in the face of the emergence of a rival called Islam and the survival of Judaism and Hinduism and its offshoot Buddhism. Thus Western Christendom and the caliphate as the only two with (thwarted) global ambition.
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March 10, 2013 7:46pm
Pauleastbay

SPC- Christianity had a 600 year jump on islam why did’nt it take hold in that time prior to Mohommad getting involved?

World domination, – again the business metaphor

Fletch- the Bible &; Koran have much in common for starters and there are numerous stories in the bible that go back to the myths Jonah is one, I can’t be bothered dragging the books out but the bible is not ‘the book’ ,at the very best its writers should have been sued for plagerisim on a grand scale. have a read of Robert graves The Greek Myths for starters
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March 10, 2013 7:54pm
Kea

UglyTruth (287) Says:
March 10th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Kea,
Regarding the “God does not exist” position, how is it that the earliest societies were adept in construction (eg Gobekli Tepe, Puma Punku)? They must have had help of some kind, and they wrote about deities.

And I wrote that god does not exist. Writing something does not make it real.

Being “adept at construction” does not prove the existence of god. I have worked on building sites and I can assure you, with some confidence, god was not helping. There are no unexplained engineering feats from ancient times, in spite of urban myths to the contrary. Even it there was, it does not prove a higher power was involved.

The choices are not: offer an explanation or admit god exits.
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March 10, 2013 7:58pm
Pauleastbay

how is it that the earliest societies were adept in construction

because some poor bastard ,some where was told , “I want this sorted by next Thursday, so stop fucking around and get it done, I’ve raised the loan you build it”.
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March 10, 2013 8:10pm
SPC

Pauleastbay, Christianity was not dominant in the West until the Roman state established the religion. Christianity also existed throughout the ME, possibly at pre Roman Empire adoption strength, but was superceded when Islam rose into political power and taxed non Moslems at a higher rate etc. The reason few Arabs in Arabia were Christian was probably because of the difficulty in sending missionaries into the desert where the tribes were. And otherwise the difficulty in converting these tribes enmass when only some of these people arrived at trade centres along the Red Sea etc, more so when there were strong Jewish communities in the area resistant to Christianity.
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March 10, 2013 8:13pm
Azeraph

Hey, whatever happened to that under road dynamo that a kiwi developed to power individual houses?
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March 10, 2013 8:15pm
Kea

hey just came and went just like business’s and the business metaphor is not too far off the mark,- about controlling a product i.e people.

Pauleastbay, good observation. It amuses me no end to be sitting here in 2013 watching people defend a desert cult from the other side of the world formed before NZ was even discovered by Maori/Vikings/Lizard People…

Do they not realise that people are just as believing in all the other gods that have been invented ? As for differences between the Koran & Bible, that is splitting hairs. The main difference is in how the books are followed. Our Muslim brothers are more inclined to actually follow the “word of God” while the slippery Christians will distort Gods clear words to suit the sensibilities of the society they live in. At times those sensibilities have extended to horrific torture and mutilation of non believers.
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March 10, 2013 8:23pm
thedavincimode

Andrei (for example) is one of the best warriors against the left I have observed

Not to mention one of the worst possible advocates for the teachings and philosphy of the person after whom the religion that Andrei asserts he follows was named. That of course makes him, like you, one of the biggest hypocrites here. Unfortunately, the binary thinking model with which you’re burdened, doesn’t allow you to see this.

A phoney Christian and a bare-faced insult to genuine Christians, whilst providing an easy target for those who enjjoy taking the piss. You are too stupid to realise that if Andrei, kowtow et al weren’t such out and out arseholes and gob-smacking hypocrites, the god-botherers wouldn’t attract anything like the the grief they get here.

Which leads into another point that someone has already made here today. WTF is the connection between right wing/left wing (to indulge in your facile nomenclature) and belief in G**? I mean really, just how fucking stupid are you?
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March 10, 2013 8:26pm
UglyTruth

There are no unexplained engineering feats from ancient times

What is your explanation for how a 131 metric tonne block of sandstone was transported over a distance of 10 miles to the top of a mountain in ancient times?

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/boliviapumapunka.htm
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March 10, 2013 8:27pm
Pauleastbay

SPC
:In the early seventh century AD, the prophet Mohammed ordered his faithful to respect all peoples who worshipped God according to their own sacred scriptures, as the Faithful themselves must obey the Koran which God had inspired him to write. This order ensured relegious liberty to Jews througout Islam: and to all Christians so long only as they made no attempt to convert Moslems to Christianity. On the otherhand, all people who relied merely on popular myths or unwritten doctrine were treated as infidels and invited to choose between conquest or conversion to Islam” The Bible in Europe. Essay by Robert Graves 1964.

So we see, there is no real difference between Christins and Moslems, the Crusades pretty much did the same thing but a lot more brutally.

were strong Jewish communities in the area resistant to Christianity who saw Christianity was just another fad and didn’t want a bar of it.
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March 10, 2013 8:29pm
Kea

UglyTruth, the answer lies in engineering principles not in superstition.

Here is a retired construction worker moving stuff like that around, single handedly for fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4
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March 10, 2013 8:31pm
Longknives

Kiss, Crue and Lizzy?
Dime I am seething with jealousy (Not to mention the knockshop tour afterwards…).
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March 10, 2013 8:36pm
Azeraph

UglyTruth (288) Says:
March 10th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

I thought 400 tonnes was the heaviest to be transported in SA, Tihuanaco? How they floated that goes beyond any engineering technique using the knowledge of the day. My favourite is the unfinished stones of Baalbek, when you see the scale with a person standing on them, it boggles the mind.
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March 10, 2013 8:36pm
Steve (North Shore)

This Blog is turning to shit.
General Debate is Generally Religious Debate and Global Warming Crap.
Same old, same old, same cork soakers pushing the same bullshit. Fucks sake dont you morons have a life?
Let’s see what happened when the Comp was off:
Pasifika.
Kumeu A & P
Bays run
And thats within 30km.
What did NZ do except whinge and moan on a Blog?
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March 10, 2013 8:38pm
Longknives

Lets talk sports then Steve.
Re the Auckland Blues- always enjoyable to see a team come crashing down to earth after hyping themselves off the planet (if you had listened to the chest beating and trash talking coming out of that camp the Super comp was done and dusted already)
Re the cricket- How the hell were that World class English batting line-up so freaking awful on that first day?
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March 10, 2013 8:48pm
cha

Here’s a great animated short.

http://youtu.be/SV3xIxOUFyk
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March 10, 2013 8:53pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Pity you weren’t a sportsman Longknives, you’d possibly talk less crap, but I doubt it.
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March 10, 2013 8:54pm
SPC

Nice to see the Blues open up the contest with the Crusaders and Hurricanes for the second New Zealand team spot in the top 6. Now only the Highlanders are out of it – too weak in the loose forwards.

The Reds and Brumbies have already sorted it over the Tasman. The Sharks/Stormers/Bulls as usual over there for their two spots.
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March 10, 2013 8:56pm
Longknives

Nostalgia-
Blues got beat after talking themselves up all week (Fact)
England were dreadful on the first day of the Test (Fact)

How am I talking crap?
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March 10, 2013 8:57pm
Kea

So grumpy Steve (North Shore) considers religion and AGW boring but thinks cricket and a bunch of guys groping each other in a paddock is the business. I guess that is how they roll on the N Shore 🙂
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March 10, 2013 9:03pm
Azeraph

So, by buying the energy companies shares, would we be retarding new power tech from being used or being set up here if there was tech that was made available that was cheap but most importantly available to the individual? Do you see what i mean?
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March 10, 2013 9:06pm
Longknives

Cricket is the greatest game on God’s (or Apollos, or whoever’s..) Great Earth.
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March 10, 2013 9:08pm
UglyTruth

UglyTruth, the answer lies in engineering principles not in superstition.

Kea, what engineering principles were applied to move a 131 tonne block over uneven terrain up a mountain? Your video shows a guy moving a 1 tonne block over a smooth flat surface, How would you even quarry a block of sandstone measuring in excess of 5 by 7 by 1 meters?

Azeraph, I read that the 400 tonne figure was debunked for Puma Punka. But I’ve yet to read any explanation for moving stone blocks on this scale that is consistent with the official story about technology in history. The simplest explanation is that they had help from an advanced culture, and the most commonly described advanced culture in historical texts is a group of deities or divine beings.
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March 10, 2013 9:10pm
Kea

UglyTruth, I already gave you the answer. It is up to you to look for the details.

There is no excuse for a someone with an internet connection, and interest in the topic, to not know the answers. But even if engineering could not provide answers as to how the stone was moved or quarried (it does) then it would in no way provide evidence of god or some other higher power.
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March 10, 2013 9:18pm
Kea

Dusty Explains The Pyramids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yzG5RP2HTQ

* Warning. This is funny 🙂
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March 10, 2013 9:20pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Lucia my interpretation is that it wasn’t his wealth that was holding back the young man, it was his attitude toward it.

I agree with you there! The best explanation of this story that I have ever read is in Veritatis Splendor. It goes into a lot of detail, starting with section 6: CHAPTER I – “TEACHER, WHAT GOOD MUST I DO…? ” (Mt 19:16) – Christ and the answer to the question about morality.

I recognise wealth redistribution is a secondary interpretation of that parable but note that Jesus in Mat 19:21 does specifically tell him in the parable to give it to the poor and there is a thread of that spread throughout in particular the NT.

I wouldn’t call it wealth redistribution – more like charity to those that have less that you.
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March 10, 2013 9:23pm
Azeraph

UglyTruth (289) Says:
March 10th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

Bugger! so it wasn’t 400 tonnes. There are the trithilon stones but 70’s alien nutters have sullied those stones mystery, some still believe they were part of an ancient landing pad. One only has to apply common logic to see through that farce. A space faring species needs a landing/launch pad? With today’s circumstantial evidence available debunks that idea. somehow ancient man shifted massive weight without radically changing the landscape, i don’t agree with what you stated but if it’s the only explanation available then it’s the only explanation available.
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March 10, 2013 9:26pm
SPC

Azeraph, are you suggesting the government is selling shares in the SOE’s to reduce their risk of such rival power on the market or of obtaining consumer consent (those who own shares) to suppressing rival power supply tech?

The other investor unknown is when the smelter shuts down and all that extra supply comes onto the market.
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March 10, 2013 9:27pm
Pauleastbay

Ugly Truth
The simplest explanation is that they had help from an advanced culture, and the most commonly described advanced culture in historical texts is a group of deities or divine beings.

Thats not the simplest explanation rather an explanation for the simple
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March 10, 2013 9:28pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Longknives, the press and the public (probably including myself) have been talking up the blues. Not the team, or if they were, now they know the fight they’re in.

As far as those visitors from the mother country go, they walked into a sucker punch because of observation of their own importance, then couldn’t adjust.
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March 10, 2013 9:30pm
Azeraph

Kea (2,495) Says:
March 10th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

The history of the pyramids is well documented except for the valley temple and the Sphinx, that statue and temple display aging that goes beyond the official history.
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March 10, 2013 9:35pm
Lucia Maria

Pauleastbay,

Lucia

The only answer I would be interested in is (two actually) firstly, why Christians have this huge superiority thing over other religions when the bible ect is hugely based on the myths and the tales in the bible are common in other civilizations albeit under different names

We believe our religion to be true. If something is true, it is vastly superior to that which is not true, surely?

As for common myths and tales in other civilisations, you mentioned the Koran in a comment to Fletch. Islam is a Catholic heresy, that’s why there are commonalities. Hilaire Belloc explains it in The great and enduring heresy of Mohammad, of which I give an excerpt in the link, and also give the link to the full chapter.

There are also prophesies in many different cultures of Our Lord’s coming. God made sure that His Son was pre-announced, and it wasn’t just to the Jews. Fulton Sheen, in his book on the Life of Christ, lists a number of various ancient writings in support of this idea. You’ve got to think, if God is real, if all of Christianity is actually true, then why wouldn’t He make sure that everyone expected Jesus to be born at some point?

the second one was what was the life changing event that made you revert to fundemental Catholisism

I started blogging, which lead to research, which lead to re-examination of history, which lead to reading more and more about the Church in history and in current times, which lead to reading encyclicals, which eventually lead to realising the Church was really what she said she was. It was quite a shock when I got to this point. And my brother had been praying for me to revert back every night for years.
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March 10, 2013 9:46pm
Kea

If something is true, it is vastly superior to that which is not true, surely?

Indeed it is vastly superior and if you really believed that you would be an atheist.
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March 10, 2013 9:48pm
Azeraph

SPC (2,428) Says:
March 10th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

Not rival power but common agreed upon money making to get in the way of future tech being made available to home owners, now, what if there was a tech available that could take home owners off the grid? People think power as a collective usage system, the grid but what if there came a time when people took themselves off the grid? Where would the market be for these companies that suddenly go bunk? Will we ourselves retard the market to keep these companies going because we have money riding on it? will we ourselves slow progress down here? It’s a future Q but has to be asked as technology tends to start out large and progresses down to the personal individual level. Any thoughts?
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March 10, 2013 9:51pm
Longknives

Those “visitors from the Mother Country” (A strange terminology!) adjusted pretty well when they smacked nearly 500 in the second innings. They also looked pretty damn good when they thrashed NZ in the One-Dayers.
I just find their First Innings meltdown bizarre (Indian Bookmaker ‘Bizarre’?)..
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March 10, 2013 9:52pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

I was an atheist for a while. It was temporarily freeing and empty at the same time. It didn’t answer the eternal questions of life and death and why, so my atheism was very short lived.
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March 10, 2013 9:53pm
Longknives

And re the Blues- I’m sorry but Ali ‘The Self-Professed Comedian’ Williams is an absolute tosser. Every time he is interviewed something obnoxious or mindblowingly arrogant comes out of his mouth. I look forward to the Blues floundering at the bottom of the table this year even more than I usually do..
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March 10, 2013 9:56pm
Pauleastbay

We believe our religion to be true. If something is true, it is vastly superior to that which is not true, surely?

you’re entitled to just like the Moslem and the Jew and the Buddhist, but just because you believe it doesn’t make it so. Thats where the arrogance of the Catholic church grates , there is no more proof that your belief system is true than the Moslem, the Jew or the Buddhist.

if all of Christianity is actually true, then why wouldn’t He make sure that everyone expected Jesus to be born at some point?

again there is no proof that christianity is true, its just you are a particular supporter of that team, nothing more, absolutely no different from a Man U supporter over a Man City supporter.

feel free to be a supporter but there are other teams out there to support and again there is nothing to indicate that your team is right.
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March 10, 2013 10:00pm
Longknives

Lucia-
I have never been an Atheist- Can’t stand those smug ‘know-it-all’ fuckers..
Perhaps my faith is stronger than yours?
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March 10, 2013 10:02pm
Pauleastbay

Longknives

I thought he gave a great post match, he was annoyed and showed a bit of passion something they didn’t have last year. The only good thing was I was bloody glad the softball was on and didn’t spend $55 at the park
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March 10, 2013 10:02pm
Longknives

This being the same Ali Williams who last year told media that Super Rugby didn’t mean anything to him? (When they were querying his rather dubious All Black selection)
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March 10, 2013 10:04pm
Reid

Lucia thanks for your Veritatus Splendour link, I shall review in detail when I have the time, most appreciated.

For those who posted/commented on the stones, you should google Coral Castle, if you want a real mystery on that.
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March 10, 2013 10:05pm
Longknives

Jesus does it cost $55 to go to the rugby?
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March 10, 2013 10:05pm
SPC

Azeraph,

1. presumably the capital cost of the independent household supply would limit the uptake rate, slowly diminish existing providers
2. the capacity to store energy or the network capacity to interface with households supplying or downloading
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March 10, 2013 10:06pm
UglyTruth

UglyTruth, I already gave you the answer. It is up to you to look for the details.

The answer is that you have no clue how they did it, just like the idiot in the orange t-shirt has no clue. What this means is that the simplest explanation is they had help, and the most probable source of help was the advanced beings written about in ancient texts, who would be described as being gods.
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March 10, 2013 10:06pm
Pauleastbay

It didn’t answer the eternal questions of life and death and why, so my atheism was very short lived.

That proves nothing except you’re fickle and have obviously spent far to much time worrying about the end of the movie rather than enjoying the show.

Heres the eternal answers – we are here for a very short time, live it as decently as you can while having as much fun as you can because you die at the end, I know thats a plot spoiler but thats what happens. No secret. Unfortunately there are those that have a really shitty time of it but thats another secret of life – it isn’t fair.
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March 10, 2013 10:09pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Bad luck with that longknives. I bet you needed a nappy change after seeing Ali collapse those rolling mauls and winning the ball, nothing like the tough stuff up front. I guess you could try ‘pick up sticks’ while wearing pilot goggles, flippers and a duck suit. That might settle your nervous condition.
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March 10, 2013 10:09pm
UglyTruth

Thats not the simplest explanation rather an explanation for the simple

What is the difference between the two, PaulEastBay, other than one supports your prejudice and the other doesn’t?
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March 10, 2013 10:10pm
Pauleastbay

Jesus does it cost $55 to go to the rugby?

Yep, for the crusaders game a mate bought the tickets, I nearly fell out of the stand when I asked what I owed him, tests are way out of reach
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March 10, 2013 10:11pm
Kea

What is the difference between the two, PaulEastBay, other than one supports your prejudice and the other doesn’t?

Reality.
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March 10, 2013 10:12pm
Pauleastbay

What is the difference between the two, PaulEastBay

I don’t have a prejudice over this, its just you stagger me that when there is something you can’t understand it has to be a diety that caused it. There are lots of things I don’t understand and life is too short to worry about a lot of them but when something is important I try and find out logically not take the fat man track and go for ‘ it must be God becuase its over my head’
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March 10, 2013 10:15pm
Kea

the simplest explanation is they had help, and the most probable source of help was the advanced beings written about in ancient texts, who would be described as being gods.

Tell us more about these advanced beings? Where are they now ?
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March 10, 2013 10:16pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I see all the soap boxes are in full use, that ought to be a help to somebody lonely.
Lonely folks these days are most probably by themselves. I don’t have proof of that, but I’ve seen turtle shells belonging to missing turtles and that could mean something.
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March 10, 2013 10:17pm
Longknives

“Bad luck with that longknives. I bet you needed a nappy change after seeing Ali collapse those rolling mauls and winning the ball, nothing like the tough stuff up front.”

You are aware that the allegedly ‘invincible’ Blues got beat aren’t you?

“I guess you could try ‘pick up sticks’ while wearing pilot goggles, flippers and a duck suit. ”

Eh??
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March 10, 2013 10:18pm
Pauleastbay

Nostalgia

here you are

David Bain is the guiltiest motherfucker who has ever appeared before a New Zealand Court.

Away ya go
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March 10, 2013 10:21pm
UglyTruth

its just you stagger me that when there is something you can’t understand it has to be a diety that caused it.

The fact that you think that tells me that you didn’t understand what I posted.

Tell us more about these advanced beings? Where are they now ?

Keeping as much distance as possible between themselves and the idiots, I expect.
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March 10, 2013 10:21pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I see you are still missing phil longknives, try a message on a ‘lonely hearts club board.’
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March 10, 2013 10:22pm
Nostalgia-NZ

If it were so simple pauleb, yet as you may know that case has since taken more worse turns for the Crown.
I liked your reply earlier about the reason for tapu after drownings or shark attacks, yet, most liberally – they are the power of who places or removes them, and who is afraid or respectful of what they may, or may not bring.
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March 10, 2013 10:39pm
Lucia Maria

Longknives,

Perhaps it is. 🙂

Pauleastbay,

I was in my early 20’s and living a life of sin, so rejection of God was like a rejection of conscience. Something that had been brewing for years, when finally I made the decision. The thing that really struck me about that moment of rejecting God and becoming an atheist (for a while) was that is really was like God withdrew and left me alone. Totally alone.

Reid, you’re welcome. I love Veritatis Splendor. It is truly amazing.
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March 10, 2013 10:57pm
Azeraph

Relax guys, we all know we are not alone in this part of the universe and that why they are not interested in showing themselves is quite obvious, there is nothing here they need. There’s no resources that they can’t get elsewhere for next to nothing, why bother with having to deal with the pinkies, why not just observe and see how things turn out. Earth, the big blue nature reserve.

We have nothing they need, if the planet did, then it was taken a long time ago, probably before us but then an advanced civilization wouldn’t need any raw material from a planet like ours would they? We’re talking about material creation and if you can get the raw from mining an asteroid belt or plasma then this planet has nothing at all.

There is speculation that our high level of storm activity is a draw card for topping up energy supplies but then our storms could be there version of a natural car wash.
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March 11, 2013 12:18am
Manolo

A wonderful family: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290803/My-little-brother-Barack-Obama-Hes-12-wives-accused-o-beating-wants-President-Kenya–Meet-Obamas-VERY-outspoken-sibling.html
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March 11, 2013 6:39am
Left Right and Centre

Lucia Maria (1,309)
March 10th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

There is no God. Only Allah.
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