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February 15, 2013 9:00am by David Farrar

Speaks for itself

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Manolo

Very true!
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February 15, 2013 9:05am
barry

Like all other political apologies – they are all done simply to make the media feel better – and often to put an end to a story. Clark ran off to Samoa or somewhere a few years ago to apolise to the samoans for some deed in the long forgotten past. And I think she apologised to several others for someone elses deeds.

In Ausy theyre falling over themselves to apologise to the Abo’s – but its all hollow. How the hell can someone apologise for something someone else did and that it actually means anything other than PR.

Of course Prosser doesnt actually mean his apology – he did it because he thought it would turn the media off. I doubt he said it because of something Winston said something to him – its such a vote getter for NZ first.

Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.
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February 15, 2013 9:28am
Scott Chris

…and other whingeing minorities whose opinions don’t matter anyway

Such as her own?
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February 15, 2013 9:29am
Ryan Sproull

Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.

Can you give an example of someone with an equivalent position as being a Member of Parliament saying something similar about Christians or Westerners?
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February 15, 2013 9:31am
Barnsley Bill

Clark mocking the exclusive Brethren
Harawira calling you and I motherfuckers
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February 15, 2013 9:42am
barry

Ryan Sproull @ 9:31 am

Yes – its a several years ago – but this looks pretty similar……

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10334250

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0309/S00542/choudharys-cross-purpose-in-palmerston-north.htm
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February 15, 2013 9:49am
TheContrarian

After reading that I am wondering why Prosser bothered writing such a large book. He could have written “I’m a loud-mouthed big dick so fuck you” and you be done with it
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February 15, 2013 10:01am
Andrei

Ah – the last act in the drama of a public figures demise – the humiliation of the ritual apology, which will not be accepted by the baying mob and isn’t sincere anyway.

Public discourse in this country has descended into farce, not helped by this character who in a rational world would have never been in Parliament anyway
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February 15, 2013 10:06am
radvad

Given his history of inflammatory writing someone should ask Winston how he got his place on the list. Was it the reason he was ranked where he was?

My opinion of Prosser was low enough pre apology, it is now even lower. His faux apology just shows him up as another political coward who does not have the courage of his convictions.
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February 15, 2013 10:14am
alwyn

@radvad at 10.14 am
Tom Scott, the Dom/Post cartoonist, has asked Winston how Prosser got on the list, and devised a wonderful answer!
Today’s cartoon, explaining it, is online at
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/tom-scott-cartoons/
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February 15, 2013 10:26am
Pete George

Like all other political apologies – they are all done simply to make the media feel better – and often to put an end to a story.

This non-apology didn’t put an end to the story, it generated more attention. And it has now marked him as someone who will flip flop under media pressure, so next time he comes to media attention they will be pushing him to see if he wavers again. They taget weaknesses.

Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.

When was the last “by muslim commments that are anti christian” made by an MP? Made by a Muslim in New Zealand?
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February 15, 2013 10:37am
barry

Read the blog pete – see @9.49 above

also:

http://christiandefenceleauge.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/norway-muslim-mp-threatens-jews-on-facebook/

and if you have a good search thru that website you might start to wonder what muslims in the west are up to. They are certainly a sad and dangerous bunch.
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February 15, 2013 10:51am
Harriet

Saying sorry for what?

If you live in a muticultural society then you have to get used to the fact that you will be ‘offended’. No one in any society, even a monocultural society, can expect to go through their entire life without taking offense to something – dozens of times.
It’s called life.

And that’s the problem with the whole Prosser thing, Muslims & others expect that they should NOT be offended at all.
That isn’t life – that’s the ending to a fairy tale.

That aside, there is a differance between ‘offending someone’ and being a ‘bully’ and the legal opinion in Australia on being a bully in the workplace is this – repeatative behaviour.
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February 15, 2013 11:08am
backster

Pete/Ryan…….Why confine yourself to NZ? Prosser was trying to defend NZ from an International scourge in the face of widespread Chamberlainia. What is the meaning of Jihad and do any muslims disavow it?
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February 15, 2013 11:09am
Scott Chris

Yes – its a several years ago – but this looks pretty similar……

Bollocks. Choudhary’s acceptance of moral relativism is in no way similar to Prosser’s bigotry. And with regard to Choudhary’s foolish suggestion that a Christian symbol be removed from a town hall, I’d assume that the point that he was making is that a government institution should be symbolically representative of all the community, not just a part of it.
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February 15, 2013 11:35am
radvad

Tx for the link Alwyn. Hilarious.
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February 15, 2013 12:20pm
Keeping Stock

@ Ryan Sproull:

The Exclusive Brethren have complained to the Human Rights Commission about criticism of them in Parliament, which has included senior Cabinet minister Trevor Mallard referring to members as “chinless scarf-wearers”.

Helen Clark rejected the suggestion her party was indulging in “hate speech”.

Asked about Mr Mallard’s threats to expose details of MPs’ private lives, the Prime Minister said: “I’m thinking of asking the Minister of Police for a Taser gun for Trevor.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10400873

Everyone is STILL waiting for Mallard to apologise for that, made whilst a Minister of the Crown, and under the protection of parliamentary privilege.
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February 15, 2013 12:20pm
Mark

Given that Whale is part of the media writing about Minto perhaps he has the answer to his own question as it certainly eludes the rest of us.
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February 15, 2013 12:52pm
tropicana

DPF, why do you continue to give links and hat tips to Whale, an increasingly puerile and unbalanced commenter who clearly (at least professionally) hates your guts, and who never misses an opportunity to express his presumption of superiority over your blogsite and over your intellect? Whale Oil is increasingly losing his common sense in favour of criminals and the deranged.
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February 15, 2013 1:05pm
sbk

As i tried to point out yesterday,why should anyone be offended by or oppose a cross…it was here when they came(immigrating to a christian country,it has to be expected…and nobody complains then)…or is it that once sufficient numbers have been reached,it then becomes a ‘bone of contention’,a useful artifice to further ones own religious aims…overseas experience would tend to support this(my) conclusion,and not as you would suggest Scott,to promote a more secular and open society.
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February 15, 2013 1:49pm
Tauhei Notts

In my dealings, both business and social, I deal with a lot of people that Chris Trotter famously labelled “Waitakere Man”. Prosser’s idiotic comments ( my opinion) have brought considerable support to the NZ First cause. Okay, there is not much support amongst those with a three digit intelligence quotient, but all those others have one thing in common with all Kiwiblog posters; they have one vote each.
David Garrett has posted about how superbly cunning this stunt has been. I agree with him.
Has anybody else noticed how much more sensible some politicians sound, once they retire from parliament? I’m thinking here of John Tamihere, Rodney Hide, David Garrett and, to a lesser extent, Pam Corkery.
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February 15, 2013 3:21pm
ChardonnayGuy

Rodney perhaps, but none of the others need apply (although I do see eye to eye with David G on many criminal justice issues, however)…
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