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Left Right and Centre

GD fluff piece:

I was given Pepsi Max and Coke Zero.

Double blind taste test time!!

Used ten identical glasses and marked the bottom of five with a vivid.

Mixed them up.

Pity I didn’t bother washing them first. Too lazy. They were dusty and drinking out of them was foul.

hahaha…I also forgot which fuckin drink had the vivid on the bottom. Decided that they both tasted like shit and gave up.

I subsequently washed every glass and even cleaned the shelves of that cupboard…. my goodness….
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February 6, 2013 8:07am
Pete George

DPF, Peter Dunne, Mike Hosking, ODT Editorial, mamny KB commenters – all saying we need a day to celebrate New Zealand, and Waitangi day is not it – Hone Harawira said today is an opportunity for “robust discussion”.

In any case Waitangi Day is too much centred and focused on just one place in New Zealand, Waitangi.

But I heard all this last year, and the year before. And after the grizzling nothing different happens.

Protest Day? New Zealand Day? Or should it be National Apathy Day? If anyone could be bothered.

http://yournz.org/2013/02/06/new-zealand-day-protest-day-apathy-day/
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February 6, 2013 8:08am
Pete George

‘Robust discussion is what Waitangi is all about’ – Harawira on Firstline.
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February 6, 2013 8:14am
Sofia

Pakeha label ka pai for most
Half of all the 6518 people surveyed preferred being called a “New Zealander” followed by Pakeha on 31 per cent and Kiwi on 24 per cent.

Among white New Zealanders, 53 per cent preferred to be known as a New Zealander.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8267422/Pakeha-label-ka-pai-for-most

This differs a little from an earlier report –

“Our findings suggest that Europeans who prefer to use the term Pakeha to describe themselves, are likely expressing a desire to recognise a positive relationship with Maori,” Sibley said.
Findings also showed that the use of the term “Pakeha” was low overall at 14 per cent, compared with “New Zealander” which was used by 50 per cent of those surveyed.
Of the total 6518 people surveyed, 1163 were Maori and 4618 New Zealanders of European descent.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863639

“Researcher Carla Houkamau says Maori prefer the term Pakeha to ‘New Zealand European’, ‘Kiwi’ or ‘New Zealander’.”
But New Zealanders in general don’t.
Not a very competent attempt at a little social engineering
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February 6, 2013 8:16am
Reid

So now it’s beneficiaries who are “attacked from all sides.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863719

I keep waiting for a survey that gets to the real victims of discrimination in this society: white men. We’re blamed for everything, all the time. How come no-one ever mentions that?
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February 6, 2013 8:16am
Left Right and Centre

I’d rather be called fuckin honky than pakeha
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February 6, 2013 8:22am
Left Right and Centre

….or cracker. Cracker makes me laugh… hahahaha
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February 6, 2013 8:23am
Pete George

I researched it a while ago and as a result feel comfortable with being called pakeha – The soft and loud of “Pākehā”
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February 6, 2013 8:25am
nasska

How much longer do we have to put up with the clown Joris de Bres mouthing off about discrimination & poor beneficiaries?

I thought that his time had been called.
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February 6, 2013 8:27am
big bruv

Oh dear, it seems that “little brother” has been away from NZ for a bit long.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/bull-dust/8264842/Ten-reasons-why-we-re-better-than-Australia

Of course Colin is dead wrong in nine of the ten reasons. Yes Aussie does have a truck load of things that can kill you but then again a sector of our community seems to be able to make up for the crocs when it comes to killing our young.

The rest of Colin’s “reasons” are pure bullshit and simply highlights the insecurity that so many Kiwis display. Where he is right is when he says that all Kiwi’s should leave NZ at least once, because only then do you realise that we are nothing more than a small group of islands at the bottom of the world that nobody else cares about or knows about.

Only when you leave NZ are you shocked into reality, you quickly find out that….

1. The rest of the world has never heard of the All Blacks
2. Everybody else wonders why your sense of dress is so drab given that you wear a black rugby jersey everywhere.
3. They wonder why you are wearing a piece of last nights roast chicken dinner on a bit of string around your neck.
4. Roast Lamb is nothing more than that, Europe does not have a party and celebrate NZ everytime they sit down to a roast lamb dinner.
5. Read same for NZ wine, yes they drink it but they don’t have a party because it comes from NZ.
6. Most people have no bloody idea where we are…and it does not matter nor is it an insult, we simply are not on their radar.
7. Dame Kiri who?
8. Nobody “gets” the Haka, they think it is a rain dance and looks silly.
9. Nobody knows nor cares that we are nuclear free.
10. We are seen as perennial moaners and under achievers.
11. Everybody thinks we are Australian.
12. Wonders why so many of us are overseas if all we can do is insult our host country by telling them how much better NZ is.
13. If they do ever visit, those from overseas walk around Palmerston North wondering where the beach is because everybody they met from Palmy told them that all Kiwis lived at the beach. They also wonder why our weather is not a lot better than what they have in the UK.
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February 6, 2013 8:29am
big bruv

Gay marriage bill passes it first reading in the UK. 400-125
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February 6, 2013 8:32am
All_on_Red

“Robust debate”?
About what? I thought the Treaty was agreed to and signed years ago.
Fucking revisionists.
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February 6, 2013 8:33am
Pete George

That’s a big vote in favour, not far off the proportion voting for it here. The weight of opinion has swung very much for equalising rights and recognising differences rather than trying to deny them.
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February 6, 2013 8:36am
Scott Chris

American study on cats:

both the pet Fluffies that spend part of the day outdoors and the unnamed strays and ferals that never leave it — kill a median of 2.4 billion birds and 12.3 billion mammals a year, most of them native mammals like shrews, chipmunks and voles rather than introduced pests like the Norway rat.
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February 6, 2013 8:39am
Pete George

Except that seems to be wrong. It was 400-175.

The Commons voted in favour of the The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, by 400 to 175, a majority of 225, at the end of a full day’s debate on the bill.

Prime Minister David Cameron has described the move as “an important step forward” that strengthens society.

About 140 Conservative MPs are thought to have voted against the plans.

Former children’s minister and Conservative MP Tim Loughton told the BBC that he believed “140 or so” of his party colleagues had voted against the plans, along with “a small rump of Labour MPs” and “four Lib Dem MPs”.

He added: “Apparently there’s 132 Conservative MPs that voted in favour, so I think what we’re going to see is that more Conservative MPs voted against this legislation than for it.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346220

That’s still a big majority.
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February 6, 2013 8:39am
Andrei

That’s a big vote in favour, not far off the proportion voting for it here. The weight of opinion has swung very much for equalising rights and recognising differences rather than trying to deny them.

Another Pete George pompous pontification.

The only thing being denied here, Pete George, is reality – The once Great Britain is now a sorry degenrate country, nearly bankrupt financially, slowly surrendering its sovereignity to a European technocratic elite and whose native population is being replaced by the more dymanic peoples of Southern Asia and West Africa.

And while this going their leadership are spending their energies on providing vanity “marriages” for upper middle class homosexuals and lesbians so they can feel validated.
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February 6, 2013 8:52am
wiseowl

1. The word pakehaha is derogatory and a bloody insult as far as I am concerned. New Zealanders just should not accept its use as a description at all.

2. The vote in UK shows how so many cannot get into their heads that marriage is between a man and woman. Fullstop.
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February 6, 2013 8:52am
wiseowl

Where in the media was the coverage of the excellent speech up North by John Ansell.

You can’t hide from the truth.
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February 6, 2013 8:55am
Pete George

John Key’s Waitangi Day speech, he’s quite forthright on some things.

http://johnkey.co.nz/archives/1592-Waitangi-Day-Speech.html
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February 6, 2013 8:58am
MT_Tinman

10. We are seen as perennial moaners and under achievers.
11. Everybody thinks we are Australian.

These two appear to be self explanatory Big Bruv.
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February 6, 2013 8:59am
big bruv

Andrei

The reality is that the UK (NZ will soon follow) is mature enough to understand that gays should not be discriminated against.

It is also a huge “fuck you” to the religious faction and that is always a good thing.
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February 6, 2013 9:00am
Azeraph

So does anyone here agree with Canada stripping it’s native peoples of their treaty rights for resource exploration? Native Indian women are under attack all the time, It’s quite shocking to see the numbers. A lot are murdered or just disappear. There is something wrong going on in there country.

You all are thinking “So what, there just Pocahontas, their not real people” The true gold is the resources, frak the Indians kill them all like they should have done. Sieg heil!

But the resources leave the country and never return giving them a finite existence. We should watch Canada closely because the blues are watching them as well, aren’t you sweeties?
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February 6, 2013 9:00am
Hodor

hello all, long time reader, first time commenter.

firstly, thanks to everyone for their thoughts and comments, I really enjoy reading this site. I thought I would list some feedback on some regular posters here:

Worst Commenter – easy decision – Penny. I don’t bother to read anything she writes and I doubt anyone else does either. Someone nailed her for unpaid rates a couple of weeks ago, which was gold.

Best Sprayer of Bile and Venom – another easy one – Red. I will probably get called a fucking communist retard for saying so…

Most prolific user of the term Braying Fools – Reid. Maybe time to find something new?

Most Religious – Andrei. Too hard out for me, I always find it strange that religious types want to control other ppls lives when what others are doing is not really impacting on them, but anyway…

Most Consistent User of Emoticons – Johnboy. Congratulations (would put smiley face with sunglasses but don’t know how, and don’t really want to find out).

My Favourite Commenter – Dime. Hodor really looks forward to your posts.

Thats it. I am sure you will all let me know your thoughts!

Lastly, would anyone really be sad if Titewhai Harawira [deleted by DPF: Don’t advocate harm to others please]
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February 6, 2013 9:10am
Pete George

Andrei, the numbers show the reality is that we live in far more enlightened times than those of strict dogma, control and discrimination that you seem to want to cling to. You’re even becoming isolated from mainstream modern Christan thinking.
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February 6, 2013 9:11am
CHFR

I am sick of John Minto and his self publicity. And the old addage about every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client seems appropriate.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8267524/John-Minto-Police-singled-me-out
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February 6, 2013 9:12am
CHFR

Pete the numbers show first world issues. We are about to drown in a sea of red ink and the pollies think gay marriage is an issue. Seriously most of us who are opposed are sick of people like you who claim to be ‘enlightened” calling us bigots for not agreeing with you.

Bread and circuses spring to mind.

Azeraph you sir are a fool.
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February 6, 2013 9:15am
mandk

Pete George @ 8.36.
I’m quite happy to recognise differences. That’s why I think marriage should be for heterosexuals and homosexuals should have a different institution.
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February 6, 2013 9:19am
TheContrarian

@Big Bruv:

1. The rest of the world has never heard of the All Blacks
– Patently false. I have traveled all over the world and even in the slums of Mexico City I had a homeless guy praise Jonah Lomu

2. Everybody else wonders why your sense of dress is so drab given that you wear a black rugby jersey everywhere.
– I have rarely seen (outside Western Europe) seen Kiwi’s wearing rugby jerseys.

3. They wonder why you are wearing a piece of last nights roast chicken dinner on a bit of string around your neck.
– Err, you mean a bone carving? Considering bone is worn by many cultures I don’t know what you are getting at.

4. Roast Lamb is nothing more than that, Europe does not have a party and celebrate NZ everytime they sit down to a roast lamb dinner.
– All the best restaurants I have been in feature NZ Lamb and wine near the top of the price list

5. Read same for NZ wine, yes they drink it but they don’t have a party because it comes from NZ.
– It is usually extremely expensive

6. Most people have no bloody idea where we are…and it does not matter nor is it an insult, we simply are not on their radar.
– True.

7. Dame Kiri who?
– True

8. Nobody “gets” the Haka, they think it is a rain dance and looks silly.
– In South Africa they love the haka (whites especially). As do the Yanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haka_performed_by_non-New_Zealand_sports_teams)

9. Nobody knows nor cares that we are nuclear free.
– not sure about this

10. We are seen as perennial moaners and under achievers.
– NZers are known in Western Europe and the states as hard workers.

11. Everybody thinks we are Australian.
– Most, not everyone

12. Wonders why so many of us are overseas if all we can do is insult our host country by telling them how much better NZ is.
– No idea what you are talking about.

13. If they do ever visit, those from overseas walk around Palmerston North wondering where the beach is because everybody they met from Palmy told them that all Kiwis lived at the beach. They also wonder why our weather is not a lot better than what they have in the UK.
– 75% of all NZ lives within 10k of the sea.

Have you ever been overseas?
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February 6, 2013 9:20am
Griff

Christian and thinking in the same sentence PG?
Don’t you mean Christians and the blind belief in the Jesus zombie myth of ancient goat herders.
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February 6, 2013 9:21am
Pete George

CHFR – I didn’t call anyone a bigot. Andre is more like a smallot, minded-wise.
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February 6, 2013 9:21am
TheContrarian

@P.George

Andrei once said he had a Christian “live and let live” attitude…so he/she is a liar too.
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February 6, 2013 9:26am
Viking2

Mike attended dawn service at upper marae, conducted mostly in New Zealand’s two official languages, Maori and Sign. Astonishingly, English is not an official language of New Zealand!

(Now that’s interesting)

It’s time to stand up for truth

I’ve come here, to Waitangi, as a proud fifth generation indigenous New Zealander.

Or at least I’m no less indigenous than others whose forebears also sailed here many generations ago from distant islands.

http://treatygate.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/its-time-to-stand-up-for-truth/#comments

http://treatygate.wordpress.com/
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February 6, 2013 9:26am
Andrei

Andrei, the numbers show the reality is that we live in far more enlightened times than those of strict dogma, control and discrimination that you seem to want to cling to.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Matey modern “Great” Britain is ruled by strict dogma enforced by the police and courts, where just speaking your mind on a train can see you imprisoned, or displaying the New Testament on a screen in your very own cafe can earn you a visit from the police and so forth.

By golly only the other day the BBC saw fit to censor an old TV comedy because it no longer conformed with the expected mores of the age.

Enlightened? I think not, more like off their trolleys.

…..discrimination that you seem to want to cling to

What “discrimination”? That is empty sloganizing. “Gays” cannot procreate, marriage is about forming procreative couples, always has been and always will, despite legislators in fantasy land passing bills.
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February 6, 2013 9:28am
TheContrarian

” “Gays” cannot procreate, marriage is about forming procreative couples, always has been and always will, despite legislators in fantasy land passing bills.”

So people who are sterile shouldn’t be married either?
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February 6, 2013 9:31am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8268894/Teen-killed-evading-police

*The 17-year-old driver was thrown from the vehicle and died at the scene.*

Now that’s what I’m talking about.
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February 6, 2013 9:31am
CHFR

Pete you prove my point…numpty
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February 6, 2013 9:34am
kowtow

Sofia et al, “pakeha” etc

The media are pushing this nonsense and often use the term.( I suspect they were told to) Govt and education are well into it. Social engineeriing from the elites who know best.Note the insistence on Maori pronounciation of place names like OH ah maru on news broadcasts.
Whenever possible this elitist nonsense should be highlighted and resisted.

Happy New Zealand Day.
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February 6, 2013 9:37am
Andrei

You’re even becoming isolated from mainstream modern Christan thinking.

Another Pete Georgeism of breathtaking ignorance.

Of course he can look to NZ Anglicanism for validation of this point of view: Church edges closer to same-sex blessings but these people are way out of step with the vast majority of Anglicans in the world and NZ Anglicanism is dying anyway.

This topic is not even on the radar in Orthodox Christianity and hardly at all in Catholic Christianity which are what mainstream Christianity is
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February 6, 2013 9:40am
Azeraph

CHFR (103) Says:
February 6th, 2013 at 9:15 am

There is always a way to dismantle something or to swap allegiances. Take the superbowl, it got media coverage here for over half an hour the other night. I don’t know about you but another countries game that isn’t a world game get’s that much coverage and does anyone understand it here? Soccer which is a world game gets about 5 minutes and yet American football gets half an hour.

So, are we Kiwi’s or do you want to become Americans?

Compared to soccer how big is American football on the world stage? 1%?

What ever happened to the great british comedy, now it’s just some strange sci fi law enforcement programs that dupe people into believing that crime can be solved in a lab in ten minutes.
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February 6, 2013 9:40am
Left Right and Centre

here’s another genius that’s playing chicken in a better place now….

*Miller was hit by the train and was carried some distance down the line.*

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8267578/Man-killed-by-train-after-game-of-chicken
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February 6, 2013 9:42am
Pete George

“Gays” cannot procreate.

Wrong. They can and do procreate.

Priests aren’t supposed to procreate, but they can and do.

Celibates don’t intend to procreate, but they can get married. I don’t think celibacy is condemned as unnatural although it’s less natural than homosexuality, it is actually a real choice.
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February 6, 2013 9:43am
Viking2

kowtow;

Did you know;
Mike attended dawn service at upper marae, conducted mostly in New Zealand’s two official languages, Maori and Sign. Astonishingly, English is not an official language of New Zealand!
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February 6, 2013 9:45am
Pete George

Andre, there is strong parliamentary and poll support for gay marriage. A lot of people are Christian so many Christians must be in favour.

When I referred to mainstream Christian I was talking about the main bulk of Christians, ordinary people who live in the real world amongsat the rest of us.

Religious head offices are not mainstream, they struggle more and more to keep up with the modern flow of opinion.
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February 6, 2013 9:51am
mandk

Here’s one for a those who think homosexual marriage is a fight against oppression and discrimination. It’s just an absurdity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
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February 6, 2013 9:51am
Azeraph

I don’t understand why the Anglican organization did what they did.

They’re outside now.
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February 6, 2013 9:54am
Dean Papa

“They wonder why you are wearing a piece of last nights roast chicken dinner on a bit of string around your neck.”

TMML
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February 6, 2013 9:54am
Nookin

“English is not an official language of New Zealand!”

Yes it is and always has been. Special legislation was passed to designate Maori and sign as official languages.
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February 6, 2013 9:55am
mandk

Pete George “Andre, there is strong parliamentary and poll support for gay marriage. A lot of people are Christian so many Christians must be in favour.”
Solipsism
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February 6, 2013 9:56am
Viking2

“They wonder why you are wearing a piece of last nights roast chicken dinner on a bit of string around your neck.”

Or a lump of rock that is used to weigh the brain down.
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February 6, 2013 9:57am
Dean Papa

“I have traveled all over the world and even in the slums of Mexico City I had a homeless guy praise Jonah Lomu”

I can’t decide if this is a sarcastic remark, or is it a genuine observation?
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February 6, 2013 9:58am
Viking2

Nookin. apparently its not. Its like us, here because we are.
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February 6, 2013 9:58am
Scott Chris

The word pakehaha is derogatory and a bloody insult as far as I am concerned.

[my emphasis]

Corrupting a language that is deemed sacred by many of its speakers is also considered to be a bloody insult. Kind of ironic really.
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February 6, 2013 10:01am
TheContrarian

@Dean

It was genuine.
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February 6, 2013 10:03am
Nookin

To be “official” does not necessarily require statutory foundation. Try telling the courts that English is not an official language and you are not prepared to converse in English, in Court
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February 6, 2013 10:06am
Scott Chris

I didn’t call anyone a bigot. Andre is more like a smallot, minded-wise.

What’s an ot?
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February 6, 2013 10:08am
James Stephenson

So people who are sterile shouldn’t be married either?

I’m so f-ing tired of this nonsensical response, and the knee-jerk accusations of religious bigotry.

The complementary union of opposite genders is special and it is different and no amount of grandstanding by political parties trying to prove how “modern” and “right-on” they are is going to change that.
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February 6, 2013 10:16am
Pete George

While English may not have been designated offical by legislation like Maori and Sign it appears to be legally accepted as official in other legislation.

interpretation, in relation to New Zealand Sign Language, means—

(a) the expression in New Zealand Sign Language of words spoken in English or Maori or both; and

(b) the oral expression in English or Maori or both of messages expressed in New Zealand Sign Language

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0018/latest/DLM372761.html

And…

Maori Language Act 1987
interpretation, in relation to the Maori language, means the oral expression in English of words spoken in Maori and the oral expression in Maori of words spoken in English

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1987/0176/latest/DLM124124.html

English is legal entrenched.
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February 6, 2013 10:17am
Left Right and Centre

ot:

It’s a mystery… apparently they come in sizes though… small, medium and big….

bigot = big prejudice

medot = fair to middling prejudice

smallot = small prejudice
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February 6, 2013 10:22am
TheContrarian

@James Stephenson

I never said religious bigotry. Andrei said the purpose of marriage is to procreate, suggesting that is why homosexuals shouldn’t marry. So the natural question is “what about people who are sterile, celibate or choose not to have children? Should they also be denied marriage?
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February 6, 2013 10:29am
Andrei

Pete George, have you ever been outside of New Zealand, spent any time in a country where they don’t speak English?

The world is a much bigger place than you realize and the center of the Universe is not Wellington
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February 6, 2013 10:31am
Pete George

What a great idea…

A great idea from Aussie union leader Dave Oliver; transferable work benefits. The ACTU want workers to take leave and other entitlements with them when they change jobs. Nice reminder of what a plonker Tony Abbott is, too.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/union-fight-on-work-rights-20130205-2dwn7.html

…not. That is devoid of any understanding of business. Transferring the liabilities of one business to another – which is what transferring entitlements means – is crazy.

What next? Preventing employers from discriminating against those applying for jobs who have entitlements/liabilities?

Leave entitlements are dealt with now. If you resign from a job you get all outstanding annual leave paid up, so your entitlement is fully paid up.

Time in Lieu would be ludicrous to carry over.

Bereavement Leave entitlement is available regardless – it would be ludicrous to accumulate leave for all your grannies dying and then take that entitlement to a new job.

Sick leave is part of your contract entitlements.

But in any case if you get a new job you can always try negotiating carried over entitlements into your contract.
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February 6, 2013 10:35am
Left Right and Centre

Is Seven Sharp turning into the worst ever programme to screen at 7pm in decades?

How long before it gets canned?

What’s the mood like at TVNZ knowing that the general consensus is that it’s a big fat juicy lemon flop of the highest order?

How clueless are these highly paid morons?

And can you bring yourself to watch TV3 with some grinning chipmonk who looks so far left he can kiss himself on the right cheek….
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February 6, 2013 10:38am
Pete George

Defintion of bigot:

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Origin:
1590–1600; < Middle French ( Old French: derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans), perhaps < Old English bī God by God

We can make up our own minds who we think that might be applicable to.
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February 6, 2013 10:42am
James Stephenson

I never said religious bigotry

No you didn’t, but I was on the subject of boring arguments by advocates of legislating to ignore the blindingly obvious, so I chucked it in for good measure.

I’m guessing that, now this legislation has passed in the UK, we will start to see the same forces that pushed this through start to work to sideline the words “husband” and “wife” in favour of the neutral “partner”…it’ll be a double win, getting rid of words that discriminate between genders as well as against teh gayz at the same time.
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February 6, 2013 10:48am
Pete George

“now this legislation has passed in the UK”

No, it has only passed the first vote in the House of Commons.
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February 6, 2013 10:54am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/chris-trotter/8247430/Our-future-as-a-nation-is-bleak-if-we-do-not-eliminate-the-Tail

*The task would be easier if the Tail was entirely white – but it is not. Overwhelmingly, the ethnic composition of the Tail is Maori and Pasifika.*

Why is it that PI folks don’t match white folks across all income bands?
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February 6, 2013 10:57am
Andrei

Definition of Bore

One that is wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious.

We can make up our own minds who we think that might be applicable to.
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February 6, 2013 10:58am
cha

RIP Reg Presley

http://youtu.be/z9DVJE_bhVU
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February 6, 2013 10:58am
Elaycee

Pete George:

Defintion of bigot: …a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions…

You’re being a bit harsh on yourself, aren’t you Pete? 😀
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February 6, 2013 10:59am
questions

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
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February 6, 2013 10:59am
Pete George

That would be very harsh Elaycee. Maybe those who say I’m a wishy washy fence sitter (the total opposite of obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions) will jump to my defence,
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February 6, 2013 11:05am
Pete George

NZ Police ‏@BetterWorkStory

Back at station I noted a big lump on the forehead of a burglary suspect.
“Wen yous cops showed up I got a fright, ran straight into a tree”
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February 6, 2013 11:06am
Viking2

On our national day here is a remeinder about our near neighbours.

http://screencast.com/t/ayBRKWi6gHF
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February 6, 2013 11:27am
Manolo

It promises to be an interesting trip: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/02/05/obama-to-visit-israel-for-first-time-as-president/
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February 6, 2013 11:51am
Pauleastbay

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/teen-dies-after-police-pursuit-in-hamilton-5334910

Headline should read:

“Teen after failing to pull over and stop as required by the laws of the land , instead is a smart arse, does a runner and unfortunately kills himself “.
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February 6, 2013 12:18pm
Longknives

“Only when you leave NZ are you shocked into reality, you quickly find out that….
1. The rest of the world has never heard of the All Blacks”

But Bruv- Martin Snedden kept banging on that the Rugby World Cup was the third biggest sports event ever! (Even though the stadiums were half empty for quarter finals and the event generated little or no media coverage overseas etc) Surely he wouldn’t lie to us??
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February 6, 2013 1:20pm
Longknives

The Contrarian- So the Homeless people of Central/South America worship the mighty All Blacks eh?? I have travelled extensively through South America- if only I knew wearing an All Black jersey, a fake tiki, and doing a googly eyed/tongue poking haka would see me safely through the ‘Favelas’…..
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February 6, 2013 1:31pm
thedavincimode

What a bunch of grumpy humourless old gits.

People will start thinking of KB as a home for sad angry old men who just want to shout at their keyboards. Hard to believe I know, but … !!

” … mmmerrrrr … life’s a bitch, I hate the gummint … I hate murris … I hate myself … I hate my life … I want David Shearer to completely fuck the economy so the exchange rate will go down… mmmmerrr .. 🙁 🙁 :(”

Instead, do what I did yesterday: buy the Celebration Day DVD and chill TFO watching it with a soothing libation at hand. Orrrrrrrrrr …….. ssssaaaaaarrrrmmmmm!
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February 6, 2013 2:27pm
wreck1080

Tsunami watch in effect … i wonder why nz civil defense does not have this on the main webpage?
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February 6, 2013 2:55pm
Reid

What a bunch of grumpy humourless old gits.

Perhaps we just don’t enough flags. The US has the right idea. Flags are bright and gay, aren’t they, they’ll cheer everyone up no end. Imagine if the govt passed a law saying every single property had to always fly a flag. It doesn’t matter which it is, but it must fly. Imagine how gay that would be. What fun just driving even short distances would become.

And we could make it compulsory for everyone to let off at least three large firework rockets every month or so, just to light up the night in a similarly gay way.

Then we wouldn’t be grumpy or humourless, would we. How could we be with all that going on, all the time?
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February 6, 2013 3:07pm
All_on_Red

Why is the Maori separatists flag flying on the Auckland Harbour bridge? I thought this was a day of unity.
Fuck you Len Brown
Methinks John Ansell is right.
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February 6, 2013 3:25pm
Viking2

NZ ship found after WW2 sinking
10:51 AM Wednesday Feb 6, 2013

The wreckage of New Zealand cargo ship the MV Limerick has been found off the New South Wales coast almost 70 years after it was torpedoed by Japanese submarines during World War II.

The New Zealand-owned ship was part of a coastal convoy from Sydney to Brisbane when it was struck by a torpedo at 1am on Anzac Day in 1943.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863763
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February 6, 2013 3:57pm
Viking2

hedavincimode (4,426) Says:
February 6th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

What a bunch of grumpy humourless old gits.

People will start thinking of KB as a home for sad angry old men who just want to shout at their keyboards. Hard to believe I know, but … !!

” … mmmerrrrr … life’s a bitch, I hate the gummint … I hate murris … I hate myself … I hate my life … I want David Shearer to completely fuck the economy so the exchange rate will go down… mmmmerrr .. 🙁 🙁 🙁 ”

Instead, do what I did yesterday: buy the Celebration Day DVD and chill TFO watching it with a soothing libation IN hand. Orrrrrrrrrr …….. ssssaaaaaarrrrmmmmm!
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There fixed that.:lol:
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February 6, 2013 3:58pm
Viking2

Mainzeal goes into receivership
Updated 3:30 PM Wednesday Feb 6, 2013

Mainzeal Property and Construction – one of New Zealand’s largest construction companies – has gone into receivership.

In a statement issued this afternoon, Mainzeal director Richard Yan said the company could no longer continue trading due to a “series of events that had adversely affected the company’s financial position”, combined with a general decline in commercial construction activity and lack of shareholder support.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10863801

Ah the great General Shipley. Like her mate Ruth. All mouth and trousers.
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February 6, 2013 4:04pm
Viking2

If a wave were to hit New Zealand the estimated arrival times would be: North Cape, 6.05pm; Auckland west, 7.06pm; Auckland east, 7.47pm; East Cape, 7.15pm; Gisborne, 7.39pm; New Plymouth, 7.51pm; Wellington, 8.03pm; Milford Sound, 8.20pm; Napier, 8.27pm; Westport, 8.30pm.

Well the hori’s had better quit the beach up northin a bit of a hurry.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8269589/Magnitude-8-quake-hits-off-Solomon-Islands
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February 6, 2013 4:15pm
Viking2

All-girl rockers disband after cleric’s edict
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Indian rock band Pragaash, meaning ‘first light’ in English, breaks up after a cleric’s edict.

The first all-girl rock band in Indian-controlled Kashmir has decided to disband after only one concert because of threats its teenage members received on social media and a demand from a top Muslim cleric that they stop performing.

The fate of Pragaash, which means ‘First Light’ in Kashmiri, highlights the simmering tension between modernity and tradition in Muslim-majority Kashmir, where an armed uprising against Indian rule and a relentless crackdown by government forces have killed more than 68,000 people since 1989.

Separatists criticised the band for what it said was ‘‘Western-style cultural waywardness’’.
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More peace, goodwill and enlightment from the savage religion.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/8269598/All-girl-rockers-disband-after-clerics-edict
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February 6, 2013 4:18pm
Reid

For those few aware who know what Madonna’s ad really was at last year’s Superbowl, this is the one from this year.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-2013-mercedes-super-bowl-commercial/
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February 6, 2013 4:21pm
Manolo

That’s very sad news, Viking2.
Mainzeal is (was) one of the largest in the field.
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February 6, 2013 4:23pm
thedavincimode

Reid

How many copies of Catcher in the Rye do you have?
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February 6, 2013 4:25pm
thedavincimode

It’s the Government’s fault Manolo – all these anti-inflationary policies.
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February 6, 2013 4:26pm
kowtow

that’s a good one

dawinci moaning about moaners ,when he’s one of the first to hit the keyboard when there’s any Catholic bashing to be done!
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February 6, 2013 4:26pm
Viking2

Wednesday, 6 February 2013
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

Denmark rarely makes the news here in New Zealand, except perhaps when the left want to point out how it, along with Sweden is an example of a modern and ‘successful’ socialist state. However, these days ‘something is rotten in the state of Denmark’ as Shakespeare’s Marcellus was inclined to say.

Yesterday a prominent critic of Islam, seventy-year-old Lars Hedegaard survived an assassination attempt as he answered the doorbell at his home. A gunman pretending to be a postman fired a shot at his head, and missed. The gun jammed, a scuffle ensued and the assailant escaped.
http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/something-is-rotten-in-state-of-denmark.html
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February 6, 2013 4:26pm
Reid

How useful is 3D printing going to become? Scientists have produced human stem cells using it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130204220838.htm

Presumably eventually by inserting your DNA into the cells you’ll be able to grow your very own body part.

Crikey.

How many copies of Catcher in the Rye do you have?

I’ve never owned one. Somehow I probably knew how I’d turn out and I didn’t want to leave a paper trail. But seriously, you know what the Madonna ad was? I mean just look at it.
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February 6, 2013 4:27pm
thedavincimode

Why kowtow, you do me an injustice. Some of my best friends and indeed family are Catholics. In fact you do them an injustice too, because they aren’t tiny-minded racist bigots completely lacking in self-awareness.
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February 6, 2013 4:30pm
Viking2

Milk up 2.4% in GDT auction

The trade weighted index increased 2.4% in this morning’s GlobalDairyTrade auction.

This is the fourth price gain in succession.

GDT Trade Weighted Index Changes

GDT feb 6The increase is particularly good news as this was the first auction since news broke of tiny traces of the nitrogen inhibitor DCD being found in some milk products.Even though there was no food safety risk there was a perception risk but that doesn’t seem to have impacted on demand.Price changes: Anydrous milk fat was up 7.2%; butter milk powder increased 3.7%; cheddar was down .1%; milk protein concentrate was up 1.2%; rennet casein increased 3.3%; skim milk powder increased .5% and whole milk powder, which has the biggest impact on the farm gate price, increased 5.4%.

http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/milk-up-2-4-in-gdt-auction/
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February 6, 2013 4:30pm
Manolo

Actually, davinci attacks whoever disagrees with Labour lite’s masterful policies. He’s the ultimate John Key fan. 😀
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February 6, 2013 4:33pm
thedavincimode

So what did you think of his speech at Camp Hatfield Manolo?
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February 6, 2013 4:35pm
Viking2

MANOLO That’s politics for ya. All weve been hearing from the lady lately is why we should have m ore women in high places. apparently its so you can go broke quicker.

Mainzeal have been building the Rotorua Hospital Block. Staff have said its a dog of a thing cf Tauranga. Leaked and all.

Politicans are builders not.

Wonder if said Lady will resign from her China bank job now.
Karma in a way. After what she did to health and beneficiaries with the help of that other failing business woman from the south.
Must be the water they grow up in. I mean add the Hubards and there’s lots of dosh down the tubes.
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February 6, 2013 4:35pm
Viking2

yep dvi and KS are the base camp followers on planet key.
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February 6, 2013 4:39pm
RF

Re Mainzeal. Could prove interesting for our Christchurch friends who suffered Earthquake Damage and are insured with Vero. Mainzeal are project managing their insurance claims.
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