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@hinamanu

All “beliefs” are in the mind.

That is what they are :-/
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February 22, 2013 1:32pm
hinamanu

Access to this story was DENIED in my Library

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/dhs-ramps-up-to-subdue-and-kill-americans/
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February 22, 2013 1:32pm
hinamanu

“@hinamanu
So many conspiracies, so little time to get wound up about them.
I guess everyone needs a hobby.

You can be bitter and twisted at the world for the rest of us.”

I don’t make these stories up and they all on mainstream. Only never repeated so the public comprehends them.

Military takeover in US because Posse Comadatus has been rescinded forbidding military law in US
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February 22, 2013 1:34pm
Thrash Cardiom

According to data, the world has only warmed 0.75 deg since 1880, and has not warmed at all since 1997. The temp is exactly the same now as in 1997. On a graph showing one degree increments this represents a straight line.

As the average global temperature is around 14 to 15 deg, a rise of 0.75 is fairly substantial rather than “only”. A 16 year period at the end of a 100+ year trend does not wipe the trend. It doesn’t mean any warming has stopped
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February 22, 2013 1:39pm
hinamanu

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on) These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539867659380653&set=a.467056609995092.113551.463148250385928&type=1&theater
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February 22, 2013 1:45pm
cha

I don’t make these stories up and they all on mainstream

Yeah, along with the buy gold/freeze dried food scam.

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February 22, 2013 1:45pm
Harriet

Thanks for the link @ 12:55 Lucia.

I took this from the comments below the story about the former transexual:

“….Dr. Paul McHugh, psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, argued in Surgical Sex, his 2004 article that appeared in First Things that “to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people [gender confused people] was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it.”
“We psychiatrists” said the Doctor, “would do better to concentrate on trying to fix their minds and not their genitalia.”
With a staggering 41% of transgender people in the United States having attempted suicide, it appears that Dr. McHugh is right on target….”

Advocates for transexualism here at KB and elsewhere, need to take a look at the person on the inside and not what appears on the outside, as these people clearly need help.

‘Tolerating’ and ‘promoting’ mental illnesses at the expense of an individuals life, simply to gain ‘rights’, is not what being Liberal is about. It is not what being a human is about. Some people here at KB have no shame nor soul.

Keep up the good work.Thanks Lucia.
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February 22, 2013 1:49pm
cha

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

~snort~ the morons favourite.
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February 22, 2013 1:55pm
Weihana

graham (1,667) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

Weihana, I’m sorry but you’re wrong.

Maybe. Let’s see…

My daughter’s rights ARE being infringed upon by having a transgendered boy change in the same room as her

Well capital letters certainly prove that my argument is wrong. How could I possibly argue against capital letters? 🙂

I find it very difficult to imagine that you can honestly not see the problem with this – a girl having to get changed in front of a boy.

As I said, she is well within her rights to a private room if she feels it necessary. No one should be forced to change in front of anyone else.

Moreover, the fact that I do not see it as a “rights violation” does not imply I support it. I’ve made it clear that there is good reason genders are separated (as opposed to race for instance) and that has nothing to do with a person’s genitals but rather the stereotypical roles that are assigned to genders because gender reflects general differences in behaviour. Boys are rude, disgusting and physical. Girls aren’t. They just gossip relentlessly until the other girl hurts herself.

I don’t see the point of discussing that any further, quite frankly.

You only discuss with people who adopt the same premise as you?

If you honestly feel that is perfectly OK to have a bunch of teenage boys and girls all getting changed in the same room, I suggest you need to seriously re-evaluate your attitudes.

You suggesting that I re-evaluate my attitudes is not a justification in support of your point of view, nor a reasoned contradiction of mine.

It is not just a “social norm”; that is, quite simply, wrong, and any society whose “evolving standards” evolve to the point where they say it is normal and right is a pretty warped society.

Quite simply? Ok, so we have begging the question… and “warped society” gives us judgmental language. Any other fallacies to consider?

Decency is every bit a social norm. What is considered decent in this country is exceptionally indecent in most of the Mid-East. Why are they wrong and why are you right? I put it to you that “quite simply” is not an argument and is evidence of your inability to conjure up a valid rebuttal and thus demonstrates the claim that standards of decency are dependent upon the society one is in.

But you comment that you find my daughter’s uncomfortableness trivial in comparison to the uncomfortableness that a transgender boy feels getting changed in a boy’s changing room. We’re talking about the same situation, surely. I don’t want my daughter to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. You don’t want a transgender boy to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. I fail to see why you consider my daughter’s uncomfortableness less of an issue than that of the transgender boy.

Fair point. But by the same token if it is the “same situation” why is it not a violation of his rights? And I ask that assuming you will not return with the circular “cause she’s a girl”, a response which assumes as a premise the conclusion you are trying to prove.

Never mind. Thankfully, there is a solution which should please everybody, and it’s really quite simple and obvious. Four separate changing rooms. Boys, girls, boys who feel they’re girls, girls who feel they’re boys. Sorted.

I disagree. The solution is that no one be forced to change in front of anyone else if they do not wish to.
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February 22, 2013 2:02pm
hinamanu

Former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.” And see this.

Cheney made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/leaked-memo-from-war-criminal-donald-rumsfeld-shows-iraq-war-was-based-on/
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February 22, 2013 2:14pm
RightNow

Thrash Cardamom: “A 16 year period at the end of a 100+ year trend does not wipe the trend. It doesn’t mean any warming has stopped”

Tell me more about this 100+ year trend, specifically what caused warming before 1940? I’m not denying a long trend of warming (about 0.5 deg C per century since the 17th century in fact). I’m questioning why anthropogenic GHG emissions are alleged to be responsible for the majority of it.

In reality the period of warming between the 70’s and late 90’s is the crux of the matter, where the rise in temperature is pinned on AGHG’s because of a lack of other suspects. So it’s premised on a period of 20-30 years. The exceptionally hot el nino year of 1997 is admitted by the warmists to have skewed the record, so in actual fact the rise is not that exceptional, a very similar rise happened up to 1940 as well.

The 16 year pause indicates natural variability is overwhelming anthropogenic forcing during that period.
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February 22, 2013 2:15pm
Ryan Sproull

I disagree. The solution is that no one be forced to change in front of anyone else if they do not wish to.

That comes with its own problems, of course.
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February 22, 2013 2:21pm
RightNow

Ryan – we don’t force adults to change in front of anyone (except certain authorised officials), we shouldn’t force children to – in the same way children have the right not to be assaulted. If this “comes with its own problems” then we overcome those problems – the same way we overcome access for disabled people etc. Build the facilities to comply with the rights of the users.
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February 22, 2013 2:32pm
Harriet

Yesterday…….Andrie put up a link titled:

“My wife is my sister” – about two women who met, got married, and then found out that the father of them both was the one and the same. – due to their mothers being artificaly inseminated.

Ryan Sproull then replied to Andrei – “….Yeah yeah. What was your actual point? Sperm donation is bad?…’

I then replied to Ryan –

Harriet (1,099) Says: February 21st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

“….Andrei’s point is this Ryan:
Two brothers should not commit sodomy. Nor a father and adult son. Nor a mother and adult daughter commit foreplay.Nor an adult son sodomise his mother.
Why do you support this behaviour Ryan…..bored with your sex life?…”

So Ryan……why didn’t you reply to that……you replied to others after this was listed?

Do you have a problem answering sick stuff that you support Ryan? 😎
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February 22, 2013 2:35pm
Ryan Sproull

Sorry, Harriet, I didn’t see your reply yesterday.

Two brothers should not commit sodomy. Nor a father and adult son. Nor a mother and adult daughter commit foreplay.Nor an adult son sodomise his mother.
Why do you support this behaviour Ryan…..bored with your sex life?…”

When did I say I supported that behaviour?
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February 22, 2013 2:43pm
Thrash Cardiom

Tell me more about this 100+ year trend, specifically what caused warming before 1940?

What drove the Industrial Revolution?
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February 22, 2013 2:50pm
hinamanu

The Best ‘Jeopardy!’ Question Ever? [VIDEO]

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/the-best-jeopardy-question-ever-video/
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February 22, 2013 2:52pm
Harriet

So now you understand Ryan that your beloved humanism falls down – or you are too ashamed to fully support it! 😎
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February 22, 2013 2:53pm
Ryan Sproull

So now you understand Ryan that your beloved humanism falls down – or you are too ashamed to fully support it!

If you can support your suggestion that I support that behaviour, I’ll be able to clarify or answer your question. Can you do that?
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February 22, 2013 2:56pm
RightNow

“What drove the Industrial Revolution?”

Steam. You reckon that’s what caused it?
Not beyond the realms of possibility, any supporting evidence?
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February 22, 2013 2:57pm
Harriet

You have before said Ryan “The government should stay out of Marriage.”

But why do you think that the government should not stay out of all relationships?

As a humanist, how can you have a problem with an adult son sodomising his willing mother or father?

You are still a humanist arn’t you Ryan? 😎
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February 22, 2013 2:58pm
Ryan Sproull

You have before said Ryan “The government should stay out of Marriage.”

But why do you think that the government should not stay out of all relationships?

As a humanist, how can you have a problem with an adult son sodomising his willing mother or father?

You are still a humanist arn’t you Ryan?

I don’t recall ever saying I was a humanist, Harriet. You’re right that I am certainly against Government control of personal lives, though.

I have two problems with adult incestuous sexual relationships. (The problem of child-adult incestuous relationships is obvious – the child cannot consent.) The first problem is the increased risk of genetic illnesses in any children resulting. The second is the power dynamic that can call into question the issue of consent – grooming a child for incest upon reaching the technical age of consent.

So no, I do not approve of incestuous relationships. And because there is the question of harm, I think the Government has a leg to stand on in preventing such relationships.

In the rather extreme case Andrei mentions, of two adults who have no idea that they are related due to the obscurity of their paternity through sperm donation, neither of those things apply so long as they do not have children. There was no possibility of grooming. Now that they are adults, without being groomed, and find themselves in that situation – the poor bastards – it is entirely up to them how they live their lives. It is not my place, nor the Government’s, to impose values on them.
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February 22, 2013 3:05pm
Ryan Sproull

I love you, Harriet. Thank you for continuing to challenge me and giving me opportunities to examine my reasoning on these issues.
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February 22, 2013 3:06pm
gump

I’m fascinated by the continued misconception that transgender children will somehow be compelled to parade around in changing rooms.

Transgender children are (generally speaking) very uncomfortable with their bodies and hate getting changed if there’s any risk of discovery.

Their bodies are what makes them uncomfortable. They are desperate not to bring attention to themselves (because it reinforces their differences).
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February 22, 2013 3:13pm
Manolo

More multiculturalism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281941/600-000-decade-white-flight-London-White-Britons-minority-capital.html
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February 22, 2013 3:16pm
Thrash Cardiom

Steam. You reckon that’s what caused it?

How was the steam created?
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February 22, 2013 3:17pm
TheContrarian

Manolo are trying to say that London should have remained as a white only city or something?

The white ‘race’ (if there is such a thing) is becoming a minority everywhere but that’s just demographics.

You’ll be a minority but there is no avoiding it.
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February 22, 2013 3:18pm
Harriet

“….In the rather extreme case Andrei mentions, of two adults who have no idea that they are related due to the obscurity of their paternity through sperm donation, neither of those things apply so long as they do not have children. There was no possibility of grooming. Now that they are adults, without being groomed, and find themselves in that situation – the poor bastards – it is entirely up to them how they live their lives. It is not my place, nor the Government’s, to impose values on them….’

So you would then agree that there are dangers in sperm donation?

And if so, the government should then become involved in relationships? -and if so, at what point?

There is cases of sisters ‘carrying’ artificaly inseminated babies for straight couples and for gay men. And some cases where the mother does not then want to hand the baby over.

So my question is: Should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children? And if so, at what stage? – or is it a feotus and not the mothers baby – an emotional loss?

To me Ryan it’s all a dangerous area and the children seem not to be the matter of concern.
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February 22, 2013 3:22pm
Harriet

Are you the Ryan ‘s’ or ‘p’ Sproull that is quoted at wikipedia or on some ‘quotes’ website – on the matter of Atheism?
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February 22, 2013 3:26pm
Ryan Sproull

So you would then agree that there are dangers in sperm donation?

Obviously. Nothing like the dangers of, say, cars, but clearly there can be incredibly unlikely problems popping up.

And if so, the government should then become involved in relationships? -and if so, at what point?

In this case, as I said, not at all.

There is cases of sisters ‘carrying’ artificaly inseminated babies for straight couples and for gay men. And some cases where the mother does not then want to hand the baby over.

Very sad situations, I think.

So my question is: Should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children? And if so, at what stage? – or is it a feotus and not the mothers baby – an emotional loss?

Your question is should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children in a surrogacy situation where the surrogate mother changes her mind? I really haven’t thought about that one. I think it would take a lot of thinking. I’m sorry, I don’t have an answer for you off the top of my head.

To me Ryan it’s all a dangerous area and the children seem not to be the matter of concern. Cheers.

It’s a complicated world. Trying to avoid it with simplistic broad strokes and black-and-white thinking causes more problems than it solves, I think. To me, the children’s well-being is a matter of concern.
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February 22, 2013 3:28pm
thedavincimode

Excellent points Harriet.

There’s barely a day goes by when I don’t pick up a newspaper to read about yet another instance of inadvertent incestuous relationships or contractual disputes involving surrogate parenting. There should be a law against it. I blame the guvamint.
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February 22, 2013 3:29pm
Ryan Sproull

Are you the Ryan ‘s’ or ‘p’ Sproull that is quoted at wikipedia or on some ‘quotes’ website – on the matter of Atheism?

You might be thinking of RC Sproul, a Christian apologist who shares my initials and almost my first name. I was an amateur Christian apologist myself when I first learned of his existence, which was rather confusing. Someone on the internet asked me if I had read anything by RC Sproul and I had one of those vertigo experiences where I couldn’t understand how someone on the internet could know my initials and surname.
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February 22, 2013 3:31pm
Harriet

thedavincimode

Fuckwit……”…Women who create difficulty with their fertility by delaying it, are creating an entire medical industry. The demands from these women that they should be supported by the tax payer via IVF funding is immoral…” – Monash University.
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February 22, 2013 3:34pm
Jack5

Jim Veitch is about to give NZ soldiers another rake over for shooting Japanese prisoners of war at Featherston in World War 2. They were protesting about work party details when the guards opened fire.

Veitch, a former Presbyterian minister with a string of theology qualifications, is now on the staff of the strategic studies centre at Wellington’s Victoria University. The MSM frequently trot out Jim Veitch as an expert on guerrilla warfare, on terrorism, or on any war like incident in which they need “dial an expert” comment.

From an interview on RNZ’s Radio Labour today, it seems Veitch will hammer the NZ Army POW camp’s non-compliance with the Geneva Convention.

Veitch, of course, won’t be touching on the beheading of young New Zealanders (one at a time) by the Japanese at Tarawera, of the appallingly brutal mistreatment of thousands of Allied prisoners on the Thai-Burma railway, of the Japanese military’s slave-rape of Dutch girls in Indonesia of Chinese girls in Nanking and of Korean girls everywhere, the murder of downed American pilots in Japan, and the inhuman experiments on POWs and Chinese by the Japanese military in Manchuria during World War 2, of Japanese troops using captured prisoners for organised bayonet practice.

This, from Wikipedia, gives some balance to the Featherston shooting being studied by Veitch:

The Empire of Japan, which had signed but never ratified the Second Geneva Convention of 1929, also did not treat prisoners of war in accordance with international agreements, including provisions of the Hague Conventions (1899 and 1907), either during the Second Sino-Japanese War or during the Pacific War because the Japanese viewed surrender as dishonorable. Moreover, according to a directive ratified on 5 August 1937 by Hirohito, the constraints of the Hague Conventions were explicitly removed on Chinese prisoners.

Prisoners of war from China, the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, India, the Netherlands, New Zealand and the Philippines held by the Japanese armed forces were subject to murder, beatings, summary punishment, brutal treatment, forced labour, medical experimentation, starvation rations and poor medical treatment. The most notorious use of forced labour was in the construction of the Burma–Thailand Death Railway. After March 20, 1943, the Imperial Navy was under orders to execute all prisoners taken at sea.

According to the findings of the Tokyo Tribunal, the death rate of Western prisoners was 27.1%, seven times that of POWs under the Germans and Italians. The death rate of Chinese was much larger.

Stop hammering the good guys, Veitch.
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February 22, 2013 3:36pm
Harriet

Thanks Ryan, I saw it a while back and thought it maybe you.
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February 22, 2013 3:37pm
thedavincimode

More or less immoral than having children younger and at a time of life when they become reliant upon taxpayer susbsidies to support them?

Oops, I forgot:

^Fuckwit –
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February 22, 2013 3:37pm
RightNow

“How was the steam created?”

Lusty photoshoots?

Seriously, if you’re going to blame early 20th century warming on GHG emissions I’m just going to the pub.
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February 22, 2013 3:38pm
Ryan Sproull

Thanks Ryan, I saw it a while back and thought it maybe you.

He’s a pretty clever guy, if you’re into Christian apologetics. Calvinist, though, which means some of his views aren’t universally popular among Christians.
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February 22, 2013 3:40pm
Thrash Cardiom

From 1750 to 1940 = a shitload of fossil fuels burned in total, particularly from the late 19th century onwards
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February 22, 2013 3:42pm
thedavincimode

Rightnow

GHG emissions caused early 20th century warming.

Off you go now, and remember, you owe me one.
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February 22, 2013 3:42pm
Thrash Cardiom

But going to the pub appeals anyway.
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February 22, 2013 3:44pm
Harriet

“…He’s a pretty clever guy, if you’re into Christian apologetics….’

I don’t stray to far from Bill Muellenburg. 😎
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February 22, 2013 3:53pm
Harriet

“….More or less immoral than having children younger and at a time of life when they become reliant upon taxpayer susbsidies to support them?….”

Then support the strengthening of the Marriage Act.

“…Work hard, save your money, and support the police.” – Maggie Thatcher.
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February 22, 2013 3:56pm
Ryan Sproull

I don’t stray to far from Bill Muellenburg.

Well, yes. I’ve noticed 🙂
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February 22, 2013 3:57pm
Harriet

Well he does care. Although he places his views on the teachings of Christ, he is also saying that people should do the right thing by themselves, and in the scheme of people living ‘ordinary lives’ – mum dad and kids facing ordinary problems daily-it’s a good simple message. It leads to living a full, productive, satisfying life.The Masons I think, believe that people should do the same.

{Ryan, sorry I’ve got to go out, it’s been good talking and hope to catch up later. cheers.}
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February 22, 2013 4:10pm
Ryan Sproull

Well he does care. Although he places his views on the teachings of Christ, he is also saying that people should do the right thing by themselves, and in the scheme of people living ‘ordinary lives’ – mum dad and kids facing ordinary problems daily-it’s a good simple message. It leads to living a full, productive, satisfying life.The Masons I think, believe that people should do the same.

More or less. We’re a bit non-specific as to religion, and talking about politics and/or religion is off-limits at meetings. Probably because it might turn into Kiwiblog comments 🙂

{Ryan, sorry I’ve got to go out, it’s been good talking and hope to catch up later. cheers.}

You too. Have a good weekend.
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February 22, 2013 4:14pm
axeman

Fletch (3,933) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm
From The Australian, THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri admits the world hasn’t warmed in 17 years, and that it’s OK to dispute and question the science.

Yeah the Indian train driver seems to be able to accept it. However what’s the bet the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot gwiffucknuckle will still be spinning the usual bullshit CAGW line 🙂

SCEPTICS
“First they tried to convince us with the evidence
Then when we showed the evidence didn’t support them, they manufactured the evidence
Then when we explained that their “evidence” didn’t prove their case
… They tried to tell us we (the majority) were the ill-informed minority
Then when it became clear we were far from ill-informed and far less a small minority.
They tried to ridicule us
Then when we laughed at their attempts to ridicule us
They tried to sue us
Then when they realised that threatening to sue when the evidence supported us
They tried to tell us we were mad. etc.
Finally … in the face of overwhelming evidence and lack of public interest in their non-science they get over their tantrum, they stop writing idiotic papers to journals and stop helping to write ridiculous articles for journalists … it all goes quiet
and then they try to pretend it never happened.”
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February 22, 2013 5:51pm
liarbors a joke

harawira scum…all up shit creek without a paddle..oh dear..what a shame..aint karma a bitch.
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February 22, 2013 6:24pm
kowtow

Jack 5

re Allies are the bad guys.

It never fails to amaze me at how many dipsticks get in behind “memorials” etc to killed enemy POWs. It’s happened in Aus too.Usually there’s a bit of a stink locally to the memorial ,which then gets renamed as a “Peace garden” or some such,and who can argue against that?

But we all know it’s really to remind us all how bad the Allies were,after all we bombed Hiroshima and nagasaki,and we’ll never be allowed to forget that.

Pinko lefty peacenik wankers.
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February 22, 2013 6:35pm
Johnboy

Have any of you got your census papers?

Is it not amazing that, if you are a Murri, a page in the instructions is there to help you work out what your lineage is but if you are a honky you are assumed to be smart enough to calculate it yourself?

Always knew Murri were dumb! 🙂

Now it is obviously official government policy to treat them as such!! 🙂 🙂
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February 22, 2013 7:04pm
cha

Surprise!.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/10/surprise-poll-shows-catholics-favor-legal-recognition-of-gay-relationships-at-higher-than-average-ra.html
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February 22, 2013 7:06pm
Andrei

Fiddling polls is the oldest trick in the activists book Cha
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February 22, 2013 7:11pm
Johnboy

I’m waiting for more revelations on the gay Cardinals sex ring in the Vatican before I decide if Benedict has Alzheimer’s or is just a little smart German cookie! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 7:14pm
Pete George

Fiddling polls is the oldest trick in the activists book Cha

Yes, that Conservative activist, the Craig chap, he’s been known to fiddle polls.
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February 22, 2013 7:23pm
wat dabney

So, Griff.

Will you now concede that there have been 16 years – sorry, make that 17 – with no temperature increase?
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February 22, 2013 7:29pm
Pete George

Johnboy, are you referring to “the breach of the sixth and seven commandments”? Aka bonking and banking.
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February 22, 2013 7:30pm
Johnboy

Indeed PG.

I am only guilty of number ten and only then by vague association as sheep are not specifically mentioned! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 7:36pm
nasska

Sorry Griff! I’m sure it was an honest mistake. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2flaa9nnzwxy9x/climate%201.jpg
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February 22, 2013 7:48pm
Longknives

So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it. No feel good story for the kiddies this time…
What the hell are they going to call the next penguin that washes up on a beach… Happy Feet Three?
Where does this ‘Happy Feet’ obsession end? Is Happy Feet XXVI going to wash up one day?
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February 22, 2013 7:53pm
Johnboy

Hope he washes up near my beach! 🙂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17371543
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February 22, 2013 7:59pm
nasska

After going to the hospital for a routine checkup, a man is devastated when he finds out he has the rare deadly disease B55. The doctor tells him that he only has one week to live.

After going home to come to terms with the news the man decides that he is not going to waste his last week alive so he and his wife go out to housie. While he is there he decides to buy a couple of cards. First of all he gets one line and wins $250. Then he gets two lines and wins $10,000. Then he gets a full house and wins the holiday of a lifetime for two. At the end of the round the housie caller comes up to him and said, “You must be the luckiest man in the world! You have just won $10250 and the holiday of a lifetime in just one game.”

“I’m not that fortunate,” replied the man. “I’ve got B55.”

The housie caller’s face turns to shock and he says, “You lucky bastard! You’ve won the meat raffle as well!”
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February 22, 2013 8:00pm
Left Right and Centre

Ryan Sproull (5,436) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm What he said:

I love you, Harriet.

What he was thinking: *biggest bell-end this side of Big fuckin Ben*
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February 22, 2013 8:01pm
Reid

So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it.

Was Gareth Morgan seen lurking nearby?
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February 22, 2013 8:01pm
Johnboy

Is Harriet like a pastey white thing full of tasteless warm mince then?
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February 22, 2013 8:03pm
Left Right and Centre

Man, I feel like a woman. Does my arse look big in these dykveralls? Hey, where’s the chicks’ changing rooms buddy? Point ~~this~~ me in the yeah right direction oh purleeeease. Boooyaaah!!!
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February 22, 2013 8:05pm
nasska

Reid

The cat did it! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 8:10pm
Reid

Where does this ‘Happy Feet’ obsession end?

When the revolution comes and the Seven Sharp and Campbell Live people go up against the wall.

What he was thinking: *biggest bell-end this side of Big fuckin Ben*

The dark side of feminism. Fat arses look fine in jeans…
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February 22, 2013 8:11pm
Left Right and Centre

The answer of course to all these PC extremists is that every lifeform gets their own individual changing cubicle. Practical issue solved. You’ll just have to be contented staring at your own junk now sunshine.

The issue of who’s got a ‘man’s’ or a ‘woman’s’ brain etc.

I sure aint no authority on that minefield but personally I think a lot of that ‘I’m trapped in the wrong body’ malarky is a very special rich deep dark shade of Ghana cocoa shit and uncommonly solid in composition.
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February 22, 2013 8:14pm
Left Right and Centre

Reid (13,052) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it.

Was Gareth Morgan seen lurking nearby?

Did you need him for his crittercull thinking?

Yes, that pun really did just happen.
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February 22, 2013 8:18pm
Yvette

An absolute fucking nightmare for Gareth –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdsDm0p720
even the music is a killer
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February 22, 2013 8:25pm
Left Right and Centre

I think I’m going to get all of my intellectual stimulation from episodes of 20/20.

You’re just not up with the play if you’re not informed about important issues like:

1) male strippers. Has your mother seen you strip? Does penis size ever come up as a talking point? (credit where credit’s due- they do ask the hard questions)

2) heavy sidekicks- celebrities with so much gravity they suck fat assistants towards them and then assistants also get their 15 minutes of fame by catching the appearance obsessed nature of their employers and losing half their bodyweight in fat.

3) The latest diet fad.

4) Gym scam. Pretty hot models get better membership deals than blurgh looking fat models. Dime can come up with a smart-arse remark for that piece.

5) Online marketer scam. Using images and names with no permission. So… just a crime story then.

6) Toni Braxton. Making a comeback at forty mumble. Is she C list of D list as once upon a time singers go?

What the fuck was that shit? Yeah I had it on…. I had it on. And that’s about it.

And the little wee fluff face that does the pointless intros? Oh, if you don’t mute her it’s a capital crime. Stupid tart.
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February 22, 2013 8:32pm
Johnboy

Gareth devrait apprendre juste à vous allonger et profiter de chatte Yvette! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 8:36pm
Viking2

‘People will give up a MacBook Air for this’: Google challenges Apple with high-end laptop

Google on Thursday unveiled a touchscreen notebook computer designed for high-end users, throwing down a gauntlet for Apple and its MacBooks.

Google said its Chromebook Pixel computers blending tablet and laptop technology, boasting heavyweight Intel chips and screens tailored for rich graphics, were released in the United States and Britain, starting at $US1299 ($A1267).

When Chromebooks were first introduced, then Google chief executive Eric Schmidt predicted that “cloud computing will define computing as we all know it”

Shifting operating software to banks of servers on the internet means that Google tends to matters such as updating programs and fending off hackers and malicious software.

“So far, we have been in a world that is pretty straight forward: Chromebook laptops and Android tablets,” Pichai said. “Once you start building a touch laptop, the lines blur but we are doing both.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/hometech/people-will-give-up-a-macbook-air-for-this-google-challenges-apple-with-highend-laptop-20130222-2ev3w.html#ixzz2LbxkcGDN
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Why we need more and more cable including another decent offshore on to the other side of the world.
Banks of servers Ha?
We could power those suckers instead of beneficiaries
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February 22, 2013 8:38pm
Johnboy

Time we decided to tax Google a little more! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 8:41pm
Left Right and Centre

I met griff today at my local set of shops. He was young white and foreign sounding- the accent gave him away because I could easily understand what he was saying- and wanted people to sign a petition to ‘save the Arctic’.

Is that a wind-up or what? He’s just there *trying* to push me further through the bottom of the ‘life is futile and meaningless’ well.
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February 22, 2013 8:42pm
cha

They’re triers.

http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/op-eds/iran-centrifuge-magnet-story-technically-questionable
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February 22, 2013 8:43pm
Left Right and Centre

I don’t know about you- but I reckon the biggest surprise there is in life is that the poshest sounding English speaking humanoid on the planet is ironically an Islander. Tongan royalty. Makes the Queen sound like Sue Bradford.
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February 22, 2013 8:47pm
Johnboy

Griff is Welsh lad. No wonder he sounded foreign! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 8:53pm
Viking2

Crowded Singapore views underground homes

From: AAP
February 22, 2013 6:35PM

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TINY land scarce Singapore is projecting its population to swell by a third over the next two decades.

To accommodate the influx, its planners envisage expanding upward, outward and downward.

The population target of 6.9 million people is contentious in a country where rapid immigration has already strained services such as public transport and contributed to a widening wealth gap.

It sparked a rare protest last week, with some 3,000 people gathering in a park that’s the only approved area for demonstrations.

Singaporeans fear their falling birth rates combined with the relentless immigration will reduce them to a minority in their own country.

Adding a new dimension to their complaints is the idea that planners want underground living to leap off their drawing boards and become a solution to overcrowding.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/crowded-singapore-views-underground-homes/story-fn3dxix6-1226583781394
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Ahhh Reedy’s nirvana
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February 22, 2013 8:55pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8340596/10-500-fine-for-fishing-boats-secret-dumping

Cognitive dissonance: I’m pissed off that these shady second-class stinky slinks dump something I’ve never heard of but sounds quite cool in some twisted way ‘bilge’ into the sacred pristine waters that cradle this fine country.

And yet… it’s one fuck of a big ocean eh? Seriously… how much damage are we talking about here?

And how many times can these goons flout the law before you tell them to take their ship and piss off?
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February 22, 2013 9:00pm
Johnboy

Stop giving Len ideas V2! 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Park_tunnels
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February 22, 2013 9:02pm
Left Right and Centre

Viking2 (8,860) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 pm

~~pakeha jafas~~ Singaporeans fear their falling birth rates combined with the relentless immigration will reduce them to a minority in their own country.
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February 22, 2013 9:04pm
Johnboy

They are mostly contracted to those guardians of the Taonga of the ocean the Murri LRaC.

It’s their ocean. Te Tiriti says so. They can shit in it if they like. It’s Key and Finlaysons policy. Get used to it! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 9:06pm
Left Right and Centre

Johnboy (9,892) Says:
February 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm

It’s their ocean. Te Tiriti says so. They can shit in it if they like.

It’s my ocean and I’ll shit if I want to, shit if I want to… shit if I want to. You… would… shit…. too if it be-longed to-oo yo-ou. da da da…. daaaaa
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February 22, 2013 9:13pm
bereal

And for something a little different.

Is there any relationship between transgender offspring and incest ?

i do have a reason for asking which i will explain if the question provokes any interest.
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February 22, 2013 9:18pm
Johnboy

No sheep that I may have knowledge of are members of my own family Beryl. 🙂
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February 22, 2013 9:20pm
Left Right and Centre

I’ve yet to see DPF ~~bragging~~ informing folks of his sports quiz results.

I just got a dismal 4/15. I scored so many flukes they might bloody drench me.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8333680/Sports-Quiz-February-22
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February 22, 2013 9:21pm
Viking2

More on Morgans moggies as predators.
The Cat and the Crocodile.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/video-captures-standoff-between-cat-and-crocodile/story-e6frfq80-1226583193154

Never smile at a crocodile —-
Cat wins
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February 22, 2013 9:25pm
nasska

According to the God Squad abstinence is the only answer JB. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5mqpggs4n9nwb98/sheepNO.gif
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February 22, 2013 9:28pm
Pete George

This is getting more than embarrassing for the Harawira family.

Now ONE News can confirm even more of the Harawira family are facing charges ranging from assault to aggravated robbery.

Hone Harawira’s son Hone Puripiri Harawira, 38, is due in court next week accused of wilful damage and threatening behaviour.

He has also been charged with assault with a weapon in a separate case.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hone-harawira-s-son-facing-raft-charges-5349626

Hone could be excused for responsibility for his nephews, and he’s also not responsible for his sone at that age, but it’s not a good look for him or his wider family.

And violent attitudes do often come from within families.
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February 22, 2013 9:31pm
Johnboy

I can’t hold my breath much longer for Beryls revelation nasska! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 9:31pm
Johnboy

“And violent attitudes do often come from within families.”

Quite right PG. The opposite can occur too.

My dad “Johndad” was such a kindly farmer he stayed up all night with the xmas lamb and kissed it before he cut it’s throat.

I must have inherited something from him! 🙂
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February 22, 2013 9:36pm
bereal

First thing, is to a get definition understood so we all know what we are talking about.

By transgender i mean a kid, say a 12/14 years old that just to look at, regardless of attire
you would not be able to say if they were male or female or a mix of both.

i’ve seen such kids who were the product of incest between their mother and her grandfather and some
their mother and her father.

How common is this ?

Anyone know ?
Or is this a fact which is supressed due to P.C.
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February 22, 2013 10:30pm
gump

@bereal

Transgender people have a deep seated belief that they are not the gender into which they were born i.e. Male->Female and Female->Male.

It has nothing at all to do with incest.
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February 23, 2013 12:22am
bereal

gump
that is why i pointed out that it is fundamental to a discussion on a topic such as this that we get our definitions
aligned.
You seem to believe transgender has nothing to do with physical atributes and everything to do with mental
conviction.
That is where we differ and why i realise that your conclusion that it can have nothing to do with incest means nothing.
Too late 2nite to continue, we can pick it up some other time if you want.

Meanwhile my question hangs.
Is there any relationship between transgender and incest ?
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February 23, 2013 1:43am
gump

@bereal

Transgenderism is a psychological condition. There may well be an underlying physiological difference in brain structure, but there’s no evidence to support this.

There is no relationship between transgender and incest. I can’t even begin to fathom why you think that there is.
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February 23, 2013 9:54am
bereal

Hi gump

i’m not saying i think there is.

i’m wondering aloud if there may be.

Some children i have observed who were the product of incest as i described above
appeared androgynous

Maybe androgynous was the term i should have used rather than transgender.
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