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krazykiwi

I owe. I owe. It’s off to work I go
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February 20, 2013 8:02am
Lance

At the risk of dog whistling
Bloody hell

Someone bashed and permanently damaged (for no good reason) by fuckers out on bail for violent assault and are bailed yet again after this incident.
You can’t make this shit up.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866497
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February 20, 2013 8:11am
Keeping Stock

Will there be a protest by the Green Party and Greenpeace in Napier today at the cricket? After all, the English have released titanium into the Pacific Ocean…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/we-cant-help-but-wonder.html
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February 20, 2013 8:14am
hj

Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this. As the Guardian revealed last week, two secretive organisations working for US billionaires have spent $118m to ensure that no action is taken to prevent manmade climate change. While inflicting untold suffering on the world’s people, their funders have used these opaque structures to ensure that their identities are never exposed.
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small number of the funders have been exposed by researchers trawling through tax records. They include the billionaire Koch brothers (paying into the two groups through their Knowledge and Progress Fund) and the DeVos family (the billionaire owners of Amway). More significantly, we now know a little more about the recipients. Many describe themselves as free-market or conservative thinktanks.

Among them are the American Enterprise Institute, American Legislative Exchange Council, Hudson Institute, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Reason Foundation, Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, Mont Pelerin Society and Discovery Institute. All pose as learned societies, earnestly trying to determine the best interests of the public. The exposure of this funding reinforces the claim by David Frum, formerly a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, that such groups “increasingly function as public relations agencies”.
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This is the new political frontier. Corporations and their owners have learned not to show their hands. They tend to avoid the media, aware that they will damage their brands by being seen to promote the brutal agenda that furthers their interests. So they have learned from the tobacco companies: stay hidden and pay others to do it for you.

They need a network of independent-looking organisations that can produce plausible arguments in defence of their positions. Once the arguments have been developed, projecting them is easy. Most of the media is owned by billionaires, who are happy to promote the work of people funded by the same class. One of the few outlets they don’t own – the BBC – has been disgracefully incurious about the identity of those to whom it gives a platform.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/charities-pr-rightwing-ultra-rich

Koch Wendell Cox Demographia National
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February 20, 2013 8:15am
Komata

KS: No, they won’t show – he’s not American (or Israeli) .
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February 20, 2013 8:19am
Andrei

Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this. As the can now be revealed money is taken by the Government from the peoples, saleries , wages or income earned by the sweat of their brow and used to indoctrinate them and their children so as to transform the population into docile slaves to serve the needs of the ruling class.
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February 20, 2013 8:21am
hj

Alpine Fault hazard under estimated
tsunami in Southern Lakes, Milford Sound and Doubtfull. Burial in Homer Tunnel. No rescue. No power No reticulation. Queenstown isolated if airport out.
Will be felt in Sydney.

http://www.orc.govt.nz/Information-and-Services/Natural-Hazards/Great-Al…
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February 20, 2013 8:22am
UglyTruth

Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this.

LOL. You don’t read much, do you?

In the Lavon affair Israeli operatives committed terrorist acts which were intended to implicate Arabs as the culprits.

In Operation Northwoods the US joint chiefs of staff conspired to commit acts of terrorism against ordinary US citizens. The plan was stopped by John F Kennedy, who was later assassinated.
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February 20, 2013 8:30am
barry

hj (3,454) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:15 am ……………..

What man-made climate change?

There is no proof whatsoever that mans activities are causing climate change. Yes there is a lot of change – but its simply a theory that man has a major (or even minor) influence.

Leaving aside the serious questions about such corrupt things as the hockey stick lies that the like of Gore tried to con us with, the cause of the Little ice age (approx 1000 – 1200AD) and the Medieveil warm periods (around 800AD) remain totally unexplained except for the fact that CO2 couldnt have been a factor.
Depending on whose figures one uses, there was about a 6C change from the warmth of the warm period to the minimum of the little ice age. One group (the pro man made lot) basically say that these two periods are way over rated and really didnt happen. The other lot quite rightly say that the causes remain fully unknown and that this belief in CO2 is misplaced and if the cause is not CO2, then we will be in deep shit when things continue to change even if westop all use of carbon.
They have a point. If we stopped using carbon tomorrow it will be at least a hundred years befor the CO2 levels start falling – and by then we might find that temperatures are way up anyway because the cause turned out to be something else.
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February 20, 2013 8:31am
Griff

Doesn’t it make you laugh HJ
we have many here on KB that are willing to be manipulated by the super rich.
They will not face the reality of global warming
Its easier to pretend it is not happening
Sheepies will be crying in a couple of decades when they realize that they have been screwed over by rich peoples greed.
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February 20, 2013 8:34am
hj

Green MP Clendon:
‘Do as I say, not as I do’ – Justice for all?

The government is deeply embarrassed to have lost a High Court case brought by an inmate at Paremoremeo prison (who is a non-smoker, as it happens) [and the relevance of that is?], where Justice Gilbert stated unequivocally that the ban declared by the Minister was “unlawful, invalid, and of no effect”.

“The inmate who brought the case to Court put out a release yesterday pointing out that “The government’s hypocrisy is mind-blowing. It imprisons about 9000 people for lawbreaking [the average prison muster at any given time is 8500 – 9000], yet it demonstrates an abject disregard for the rule of law itself – a case of do as I say, not as I do”.”

[Clendon agrees with the career prisoner]
“You would have to say, he’s got a point.”

Wet Greens – I suspect the Greens would see the crime here as imprisonment.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/02/14/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do-justice-for-all/
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February 20, 2013 8:41am
UglyTruth

They will not face the reality of global warming

Speaking of not facing the facts, are you ready to answer my question about how the scientific method isn’t observed within the context of government funding of AGW research?

Sheepies will be crying in a couple of decades

Please tell us about your track record of accurate predictions of future events.
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February 20, 2013 8:42am
Griff

“There is no proof whatsoever that mans activities are causing climate change. Yes there is a lot of change – but its simply a theory that man has a major (or even minor) influence.”

What proof would you require Barry
god writing it in the sky?

If all major scientific bodies and governments believe we are changing the climate
Don’t you think the small group of very noisy anti science bloggers and spin doctors might just be selling you a pup.
We have the guardians expose of the methods used to fund denial.
We have the fact that major players in climate denial are directly linked to carbon industry funding
And we have repeated attempts to maintain that the scientific community is involved in a global conspiracy
We also have repeated lies like your hockey stick bull shit being spread.
Why?
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February 20, 2013 8:46am
hj

barry (1,212) Says:
There is no proof whatsoever that mans activities are causing climate change. Yes there is a lot of change – but its simply a theory that man has a major (or even minor) influence.
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It wouldn’t matter what happened to the climate as C02 levels increased people like you could still make that claim. That’s the nature of the beast.
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February 20, 2013 8:51am
dime

Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this. As the Guardian revealed last week, two secretive organisations working for US billionaires have spent $11 to ensure that no action is taken to prevent the boogeyman from scaring your kids…

or was it man made climate change?

either way, hey are trying to stop money being spent on some made up shit.
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February 20, 2013 8:52am
dime

Chris Hipkins on ZB this morning with Joyce & Hosking is well worth a listen.

Approx 815am. The first segment.

Chris goes on the attack about the convention center. he uses big words like “robust process” “transparency” and just for shits n giggles “market forces” hahaha over and over.

it reminded me of something from “the thick of it”. you could imagine malcolm tucker going apeshit at this bafoon.

what a fucking light weight. where do they find these people?

he did sound better in the next segment speaking about schools. i guess thats his portfolio!?
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February 20, 2013 8:57am
barry

Oh Griff – get real – the reason governments are running with the anti carbon theory is because its another income stream – called tax.

Id much rather we did things like realise that whatever is done , it will be decades – maybe even centuries – before anything starts reversing – so no matter what the cause we will probably have to face higher temperatures and possible sea level rises – so we would be best to plan for new plant breeding to produce plants that handle higher temperatures, to start now to find new drugs and proceedures to handle the spread of tropical deseases, etc.

Because its doesnt matter what the cause – these things will happen.

But to blindly assume that a tax will reduce carbon usage, and to totally believe that carbon is the cause and that we will be able to reverse its effect (if it is the casue ) is pretty one eyed and a seriously dangerous optiion to take.
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February 20, 2013 8:59am
hj

Housing squeeze

What’s the problem?

Auckland’s population is expected to grow by 1.2 million people over the next 30 years, requiring 400,000 new houses.

Where will the houses be built?
The Auckland Plan says 300,000 will go within the urban boundary and 100,000 on greenfield land.

What will it mean for the city’s towns and suburbs?
More high-rise towers in the city centre. Apartment buildings up to eight stories high in 10 metropolitan centres. Apartment buildings up to four storeys high and infill housing in most suburbs.

How can the public have a say?
The Auckland Council is drawing up a rulebook, the unitary plan, for residents and developers. Discussions have started with local boards and some groups. The draft plan will be released in March.

Can the public have a say on population?

No that is decided by elites and vested interests.
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February 20, 2013 9:00am
Griff

Are they dime ?
Why?
Why the secrecy?
Why do blog site paid for hide the links to the hydrocarbon industry?
Why is a failed banker heavily involved in global warming denial in England?
http://www.thegwpf.org/mett-ridley-lukewarmers-ten-tests/
Why does his website claim its not funded by the hydrocarbon industry yet the documented donations fall well short of the money being spent? Were is this hidden money coming from?

Sheepies being lead into destroying faith in science to support the super rich.
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February 20, 2013 9:02am
hj

Libertarianism doesn’t work without cars and endless growth; cars don’t run without fossil fuels; therefore fossill fuels don’t cause catastrophic climate change (melting glaciers, ocean acidification, sea level rises etc). In short libertarians believe the human economy is not a subset of the worlds ecosystem
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February 20, 2013 9:24am
Griff

Oh Griff – get real – the reason governments are running with the anti carbon theory is because its another income stream – called tax.

Conspiracy:

Governments are using this to raise tax
playing on the fear of it actually costing any thing. unsupported bullshiting

“Id much rather we did things like realize that whatever is done , it will be decades – maybe even centuries – before anything starts reversing .”

Here we have admitting there is a problem directly contradicting prior position and saying we can not do anything about climate change because we have not done enough yet.
Massive logic contortions in one statement. Are you stupid?

“But to blindly assume that a tax will reduce carbon usage, and to totally believe that carbon is the cause and that we will be able to reverse its effect (if it is the casue ) is pretty one eyed and a seriously dangerous optiion to take.”

Fuck me have you heard of economics?
Increase the price decrease the usage simple economics 101.
Dangerous to take action because ? it will cost money this is inevitable we ether spend now or spend far more later.

” to totally believe that carbon is the cause and that we will be able to reverse its effect (if it is the casue ) is pretty one eyed”
You have conclusive proof that 97% of climate scientist are wrong. Reversing the effect of the past carbon emitted is not the point its the emission of carbon into the future we can limit,.

You logic skills are totally pathetic bullshit thinking for a sheepie mind. Your facts come from propaganda not science. your standpoint flexes in the wind due to it not being based on reality .

ditto head, wing nut
Google the terms 😆

Its this conspiracy of scientist and governments that I would like proof of
Please supply you proof of scientific wrong doing.
who is leading your conspiracy and why.
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February 20, 2013 9:24am
Andrei

Thank goodness for global warming otherwise it would be really cold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA0iAbeTDu4
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February 20, 2013 9:25am
Left Right and Centre

Campbell Live beats TV One – first time ever

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10865165

That only took 23 years and TV1 alienating their key demographics.

Hey… TV3’s drought still wasn’t as long as the All Blacks one was.
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February 20, 2013 9:29am
barry

Griff – temper, temper.

you are starting to froth at the mouth – not a good sign…
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February 20, 2013 9:31am
dime

Griff – i dont give a fuck 🙂
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February 20, 2013 9:32am
Left Right and Centre

hj…

how many years before asians outnumber whites in Auckland?

Still a fair bit of room there by big city standards, yeah? Auckland/ NZ main centres have relatively ginormous geographical footprints. Auckland’s is bigger than London’s is for eg (something like that anyway).

Most space for your buck? Hamilton. Good reason to go there if you have a young family?
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February 20, 2013 9:39am
Griff

Barry I am not frothing at the mouth we will leave that behavior to people that talk of global conspiracy by scientists and governments
answer my questions not try to divert the discussion
I called you a wingnut its a descriptive word for the following
Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid world view, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices.

As i said your view of climate science goes against the view of the UN The world bank the usa government our government the national science academy the royal science society all major scientific bodies in the world
All these people are in your conspiracy
please give us more detail abount the great global worming conspiracy how does bullshit science suck in all these experts
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February 20, 2013 9:40am
iMP

EDDIE MURPHY (Donkey in Shrek, etc) has been killed today in Switzerland.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=20345&action=edit&message=1
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February 20, 2013 9:44am
Left Right and Centre

barry….

I wonder what effects humans *are* having?…. 7 billion people and climbing pissing all over the planet.

All the forests are gone… overfarming… overfishing…

Just imagine… 7 billion bits of turd each day. That’s just humans…. add all other life on earth. This planet is full of shit.
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February 20, 2013 9:48am
RightNow

Arctic sea ice makes record gains.
Warmists pray for super El Nino and solar hyperactivity.
Turd sticks to bowl.
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February 20, 2013 9:48am
dime

iMP – wtf!?
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February 20, 2013 9:51am
Griff

RightNow
Record gains in winter from record lows in summer still does not put the ice extent to the average for 1980 to 2000
In fact it has not even hit the average level for this century. spin spin spin eh wrong often.

In short you are trying to claim that the ice is recouping long term due to it freezing as we go into winter 😆 What a fuckwit
Next summer the fresh ice will melt
unless there is a significant buildup in mufti year ice the seasonal recovery does nothing to disprove the warming of the arctic region.
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February 20, 2013 9:57am
Left Right and Centre

dime-

google reckons it’s an old fake story from last year or some crap. Internet… your source of all that’s true….
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February 20, 2013 9:58am
iMP

Eddie Murphy is not dead. It;’s just those prankers at Global Associated News at it again today 20th Feb. The third time he’s died in Switzerland.
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February 20, 2013 10:00am
dime

yeah i just did a google.

Dime likes that tranny loving dude.

Dime is also looking forward to the tv version of Beverly Hills Cop. Eddie will be in it.. main character is axel foleys son. the premise is garbage but the show runner is Shawn Ryan who created the Shield so i live in hope
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February 20, 2013 10:02am
Andrei

The herald scoop that wasn’t

Homebrand Sausage rolls
Packed: NZ
Price: $4.99
Stated ingrediants: Beef
Contained: cattle meat
no horse

Similar results for other products tested.

Never the less Sue Kedgley manages to do some hand wringing in the story and finds things to be appalled over
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February 20, 2013 10:02am
Left Right and Centre

another day another griff *sigh*
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February 20, 2013 10:03am
barry

Griff – I feel proud and honoured to hold a view opposite to that of the UN. I think that prooves that I am completely right.
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February 20, 2013 10:04am
Manolo

Jamaican Gold today, Griff?
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February 20, 2013 10:08am
Griff

Left Right and Centre (438) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:03 am

another day another griff *sigh*

Actually you are complaining that i present a more logical view of climate science and it gives your little tummy cognitive dissonance. You got a smack for playing with the adults last time 😆 I suggest you back off and eat peas or something

Barry you picked one of my examples and ignored the rest
Cherry picking seems to be a wing nut habit
Does going against the scientific views of all the major scientific bodies make you proud. Are you acknowledging your views are Luddite anti science.
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February 20, 2013 10:11am
Left Right and Centre

griff- you know zero about climate change mate
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February 20, 2013 10:20am
barry

Seven Sharp gets a boost…….

http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/02/person-likes-seven-sharp.html

A second person has been found who likes the programme (the other is DPF…..)
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February 20, 2013 10:24am
Elaycee

Another bollocks headline from Stuff:

A mother has complained to the media that, because her child was ‘over tired’ and ‘unsettled,’ she was asked to get off an Air NZ flight to CHC and as a result she was made to feel ‘like a criminal.’ The mother’s version of events suggests the pilot refused to fly them because the child was crying.

But the facts suggest otherwise….

The kid did not want to be seated (with his belt fastened) prior to take off – in breach of CAA regulations. Indeed, had the pilot taken off and the child was injured in the climb out (as he was unrestrained), all hell would break loose and the pilot (and the crew) would be in the crap for allowing the plane to take off with unrestrained passengers! And the Stuff story suggests the mother realised well after the fact that her child had to be seated….. with a seat belt on. Doh!

There is an increasing trend of headlines being totally misleading / deviating from reality / being sensationalist / telling outright porkies – and between Stuff and the NZ Hoorald, they have the market cornered.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/8327485/Unsettled-toddler-mother-taken-off-flight
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February 20, 2013 10:26am
hj

Auckland’s population is expected to grow by 1.2 million people over the next 30 years, requiring 400,000 new houses.
…….
All doing what? Needing even more migrants to sustain growth?
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February 20, 2013 10:30am
WineOh

Hands up for new airline policy that screaming babies be put in a special soundproof cell in the hold?
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February 20, 2013 10:30am
Griff

😆
I read more denial blogs than you do so I know lots about how they manipulate usefull idiots and sheep.
You have said often I know nothing
Yet your view goes against the consensus of scientists seems to me that your view is not knowledge its propaganda from those that would like to keep making money

Global conspiracy 😆 evil scientists 😆 one world governments 😆
nutters 😆
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February 20, 2013 10:31am
Redbaiter

Grif couldn’t debate his way out of a paper bag, with an argument that is not much more than “I am the majority and the majority is always right” but when it comes to those odious slimy hypocritical smiley faces, he’s leading by a light year.
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February 20, 2013 10:38am
Harriet

Griff -” You have said often I know nothing”

We have ALWAYS said it.

Denier ! 😎
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February 20, 2013 10:41am
Andrei

Instead of reading denial blogs Griff read this it will show you unequivocably that the predictions of the alarmists are “unsustainable”.

It doesn’t mean that bad things with the climate can’t or wont happen, what it says is that there is no way to forcast them
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February 20, 2013 10:44am
Fletch

Looks like Philip Leishman also is gravely ill with cancer. That’s three broadcasters in a row now!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866500
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February 20, 2013 10:46am
Left Right and Centre

Elaycee (3,302) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:26 am

Bitchslap that boy into his seatbelt. Oh yeah… can’t ‘correct’ children anymore…. hehehehe…

Here… johhny like a biscuit? WAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Really? They couldn’t get a frickin two year old to wear the seatbelt. hmmm. Had to leave the plane. hmmmm….. oh dear.

Yeah… plane hits ground and disintegrates back to it’s original separate parts …. got your seatbelt on mate? Oh that’s good. Rules are rules fucker.

I wonder if the Flight901 passengers had their seatbelts on? Fat lot of good it would’ve done them….

Seatbelt vs big-arse mountain. I don’t think so. That’s some up close and personal style sightseeing… whoa
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February 20, 2013 10:46am
Griff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0-gX7aUKk&feature=player_embedded

Nutjob

Harry it , red fascist
Do you think that the pair of you are even sane 😆
We have a transsexual homophobe poster and a ditto head teabagger
I rest my case
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February 20, 2013 10:47am
hinamanu

Not as mysterious as we think

Why does the CIA do the things it does?

Why do we support dictatorships all over the world?

Why do we undermine democratically elected regimes?

It’s not a mystery when you understand who really controls the levers of power and what their simple purpose is.

Part one of a two part series with the incomparable Lew Rockwell and John Perkins, author of “Economic Hitman.”

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/spin-1/how-it-all-works—part-one.html
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February 20, 2013 10:57am
hinamanu

Are B-52 Bombers Loaded With Nukes Heading To Iran?
Military planes loaded with nuclear weapons were flying around the U.S., could be getting ready to fly out to Iran Watch the entire show on http://www.theyoungturks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TeCjxy5Zng
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February 20, 2013 10:58am
Griff

Andrei
Edward Lorenz chaos theory

Climate may or may not be deterministic. We shall probably never know for sure, but as further mathematical theory is developed, and as more realistic models are constructed, we may become more and more confident of our opinions.
— Edward Lorenz, “Climate determinism” (1968)

gee he says that we will know more as time goes on.
after 45 years of research we do know far more. The 95% certainty is the climate will continue to warm with a 2.4 to 4.5 degree C rise in temperature for a doubling of co2. There is more chance of it being more than 4.5 than for being less than 2.4
2.4 degrees does not sound like much warmer when you think of weather when it comes to climate it is significant
That is why the consensus view of science says we have a problem.
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February 20, 2013 11:01am
Left Right and Centre

chch school closures:

school rolls:

Manning Intermediate 163
Richmond School 53
Branston Intermediate 177
Glenmoor School 40
Linwood Intermediate 122
Kendal School 90
Greenpark School 31

1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_Christchurch
2)http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/schools/7732150/Greenpark-School

40 kids? shit… some schools here there’s more kids than that wagging from one school on any given day.
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February 20, 2013 11:12am
RightNow

Nature says the consensus is wrong.
BTW who is still claiming 2.4 to 4.5? They should trim the long tail of high estimates.
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February 20, 2013 11:15am
Akaroa

Global warming? Climate change?

Yawn! Who cares?.

Mankind has been endowed with the intellectual wherewithal to counter and overcome the worst efforts of Mother Nature (!!) to muck us around. I have every confidence that whatever may be thrown at us crazy-weather-wise, we, as the human race, have the smarts to defeat it.

She’ll be right. Don’t worry!

(Stands back to await the torrent of vituperative condemnation of that eminently sensible point of view!!)
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February 20, 2013 11:20am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8327748/Four-men-11-sheep-found-in-hatchback

Apparently griff asked the woolly passengers ‘how many climate change deniers can you fit in a fuckin 626?’.

I saw a story like that out of Flaxmere and it was way more sheep too… like twenty or something insane.

This is just the wankers that they catch- how many actual fuckin farm animals are going walkies?

That car would fair stink….. it’s now unfit for human habitation.
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February 20, 2013 11:23am
RightNow

Climate projections by “the consensus” – abridged version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oPwrodxghrw
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February 20, 2013 11:24am
Left Right and Centre

I saw a piece on CL about the chch cop shop moving to a new location- I thought one cop summed it up quite well. Words to the effect of: ‘It’s a new city that’s rebuilding, it’s time to move on’. Missing the context but still……

There you go… that’s out of the mouth of a chchabrian… Time to move on.

Only those with actual problems are allowed to whine. Like sorting out insurance claims etc
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February 20, 2013 11:30am
Griff

😆
The long tail goes well past 4.5 to reach 8+
Unlike the denial netherworld and its cherry picking right now scientists look at the range of information not just that which agree with their bias.
The IPCC report’s do not give any more range than I just quoted.

Same as trying to hoodwink gullible people with spun reports of ice extent and its record recovery to less than the average over the last 12 years.
We have multiple accounts of extreme weather that seem to disagree with you right now
You post misinformation regularly that trys to divert from this reality.
Logic fails like snow is not extreme cold or trying to dispute a weekly content wide heat wave with the daily record from one small town.
https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/19257/area14mp/8xhj4t7z-1358299956.jpg
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February 20, 2013 11:41am
Left Right and Centre

Can Stuffed sink any lower than leading their website with some muppette and her rugtards that get booted off a plane?

That’s a soft news item if you ever wanted to see one…. what is their target demographic anyway? Fluffhuff tweet tweens or something fucked up? The unthinking man’s news site?
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February 20, 2013 11:45am
Left Right and Centre

G IGO riff
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February 20, 2013 11:46am
Peter

The main problem with 7Sharp is they are talking to a young viewership that isn’t there.

When it comes to news and current affairs, that viewership is on the internet.
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February 20, 2013 11:51am
Fisiani

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10866566

Government deficit figures looking excellent. Thank goodness for having Bill English in charge.
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February 20, 2013 12:05pm
hj

Akaroa (226) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:20 am

Global warming? Climate change?

Yawn! Who cares?.

Mankind has been endowed with the intellectual wherewithal to counter and overcome the worst efforts of Mother Nature (!!) to muck us around. I have every confidence that whatever may be thrown at us crazy-weather-wise, we, as the human race, have the smarts to defeat it.
……………..
Your talking about elites with power and money capturing the best living space and resources?
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February 20, 2013 12:07pm
Kea

hj, what elites are you talking about and how do those elties relate to the worlds climate ?
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February 20, 2013 12:11pm
RightNow

Germany sets record 5 consecutive colder-than-normal winters

“Just a few years ago climate experts prophesied that Germany would no longer experience winters with ice and snow in the future. In the 1990s there had been an entire series of milder and stormier winters. […] However, this trend has not been observed over the last years. To the contrary: winters have again gotten considerably colder and the huge storms like those in the 1990s have more or less disappeared. […]. Climate experts prophesied in the year 2000 that winters with snow and ice in Germany would cease to exist.”

Compared to the 1980-2010 mean winter temperature:
– 2008/2009: 1.0 C cooler
– 2009/2010: 2.0 C cooler
– 2010/2011: 1.3 C cooler
– 2011/2012: 0.1 C cooler
– 2012/2013 (so far): 0.4C. cooler
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February 20, 2013 12:17pm
Griff

Yes right now another baseless claim from the denial sphere that totally goes against the facts how unusual.

Scientific papers on the accuracy of IPCC reports
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/4/044035/article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2789754/
http://certiclean-certified.com/lcs/docs/2007_Climate_EOS_Projection.pdf
published in an actual science journal of repute. Not just posted at Forbes or the mail online 😆 or from a denial blog paid for with carbon industry money.

Seems that they did get it major wrong
The ice melt globally is far more than projected! The sea level rise is faster than projected!
😆
keep posting junk right now, lets here your conspiracy theory as to why so many agree on climate change.

I love a good conspiracy 😆 I might even buy shares in a tinfoil hat factory 😆 so many nutjobs so much laughter

This is the best saved for last
http://www.skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html
results of climate modeling for both mainstream science and the denial echo chamber
Who gets it wrong? 😈 surprise surprise 😆 wing nuts
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February 20, 2013 12:29pm
barry

Be careful RightNow……

If you keep coming up with facts like this youll upset the likes of Griff who believe in fairy tales and other myths…….
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February 20, 2013 12:30pm
RightNow

“This is the best saved for last” – that’s from 2011 so is therefore outdated. You must abide by your rules and only accept information within the last 11 months.
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February 20, 2013 12:42pm
Griff

Yes Barry facts like climate change .
shifting continental weather patterns are a factor in global warming.
picking a small region and trying to use that to disprove climate change would be like doing the opposite like this.
http://www.dw.de/southern-germany-records-warmest-christmas-eve-ever/a-16477867
According to the German Weather Service, one weather station in downtown Munich recorded a temperature of 20.7 degrees Celcius. The previous record for December 24 in Munich was 14.5 degrees, set back in 1977. Earlier on Monday, the city of Freiburg in southwest Germany reported a temperature of 18.5 degrees. The previous Christmas Eve high for the entire country was recorded in 1983, when Baden-Baden and Müllheim each had 17.8 degrees.

We are still waiting with baited breath to here details of your global conspiracy.
Ive got my tinfoil hat already!!!
One world government Evil scientist and nut jobs 😆 Do you watch to much bond movies? 😆
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February 20, 2013 12:43pm
hinamanu

Quote from you tube

“They are printing money out of thin air to purchase mortgage backed security’s to build up hard assets for the bankers , then they are going to collapse the dollar and more people will loose their homes due to inflation.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAEii43iLk
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February 20, 2013 12:44pm
Kea

One world government Evil scientist

How about shadowy BIG OIL, the fictional “Carbon Industry” (& today the “Hydrocarbon Industry” also fictional), conducting an evil experiment on the worlds climate and paying scientists to ~~tell the truth~~ deny AGW. A big conspiracy by the global “elite” to bring about the end of the world and a global flood. ?

Does that sound rational to any sane and properly informed person ?

Dear oh dear Griff ! 🙁
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February 20, 2013 12:49pm
Griff

“This is the best saved for last” – that’s from 2011 so is therefore outdated. You must abide by your rules and only accept information within the last 11 months.
??????????
WTF are you talking about
arctic ice extent in winter again?
What a tosser it has not even reached the last ten year average Let alone the long term average
The ice around the globe is melting you can cherry pick all you want it does not change global the ice volumes are shrinking
temperatures are rising and the cost of extreme weather is rising.
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February 20, 2013 12:52pm
Kea

blog paid for with carbon industry money

1. Who pays the AGW supporters ?

2. Do they have any other source of income ?

3. What would happen to that income if AGW were proven false ?

4. To the nearest few Trillion Dollars, how much is the global AGW industry (& its spin offs) worth ?

There is no such thing as a “Carbon Industry”. If you mean oil producers, then you need to understand they make their money from oil. There is no money in telling the truth about AGW.
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February 20, 2013 12:58pm
Griff

😆
kea that you can not understand that the result of burning hydrocarbons produces co2 hence one of the results of the oil and coal industry’s is co2 shows your intelligence.
Simple things linked together are outside of you ability to pattern match. windowlicker IQ
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February 20, 2013 12:58pm
RightNow

“WTF are you talking about”
When I proved to you that Australian generation prices were around $40/MWH and not the $140/MWH your fiction claimed, you said pricing from March 2012 is outdated. Remember – you thought current retail prices were in some way better data than wholesale prices? Perhaps this will jog your memory:

RightNow (4,934) Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Here’s another clue for free, turd.
March 2012:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/power-bills-high-but-wholesale-prices-low/story-e6frg6nf-1226307710489

“Wholesale electricity prices have fallen over the past three years and, at about $40 per megawatt hour, are about the same price in nominal terms that electricity generators received when the National Electricity Market was set up in 1998.”

“Consumers are experiencing record high electricity prices and at the same time electricity generators are experiencing record low prices.”

Once again you’re wrong, wrong and wrong. And a turd.

I have to say, you’re a turd who I proved wrong, yet you still cling to the bowl and stink up the place.
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February 20, 2013 1:07pm
RightNow

And why can’t you answer Kea’s questions, you’re evading them like a climate scientologist evades a request for their data.
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February 20, 2013 1:10pm
hinamanu

Historic Case to Challenge BBC’s 9/11 Coverage

AE911Truth Evidence Goes to Court Feb 25, 2013

On February 25, in the small town of Horsham in the United Kingdom, there will be a rare and potentially groundbreaking opportunity for the 9/11 truth movement. Three hours of detailed 9/11 evidence is to be presented and considered in a court of law where the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) will be challenged over the inaccurate and biased manner in which it has portrayed the events and evidence of 9/11.

Over the last 16 months, BBC has been challenged strongly by individuals in the UK over two documentaries that they showed in September 2011 as part of the tenth anniversary of 9/11, namely ‘9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip’ and ‘The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 Ten Years On’. Formal complaints were lodged with BBC over the inaccuracy and bias of these documentaries, which, according to 9/11 activists, was in breach of the operating requirements of BBC through their ‘Royal Charter and Agreement’ with the British public. This document requires BBC to show information that is both accurate and impartial. These complaints were supported by the US-based educational charity Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth), which submitted detailed scientific evidence to BBC to buttress the complaints. The evidence focuses in particular on the confirmed free-fall of WTC 7 and NIST’s 2008 admission of this fact. In addition, over 300 AE911Truth petition signers supported these complaints by sending letters to BBC, requesting that BBC show this evidence to the public.

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/historic-case-to-challenge-bbcs-911-coverage/
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February 20, 2013 1:11pm
RightNow

“temperatures are rising and the cost of extreme weather is rising.”
Not in the last 16 years they’re not, and in all land-ocean indexes for the last decade they’re cooling.
Extreme weather is also not rising, it’s just the latest assertion to try and rekindle the dwindling alarm.
I think you’re being sucked in by Big Insurance. They really love those increased premiums.
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February 20, 2013 1:12pm
Sofia

Yesterday –
3 DAVID SHEARER to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in all his Ministers?
9 DAVID SHEARER to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements?
Today –
2 DAVID SHEARER to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements?

Why can’t this asshole ask more intelligent, succinct questions like most other people.
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February 20, 2013 1:13pm
Kea

Griff your a coward without integrity.

I have been asking for months regarding the funding issue. You have ignored my questions, but go on daily about the funding source of independent scientists not receiving huge grants of tax money.

You have no credibility. This leads me to believe your support of AGW is not based on science, but on some other reason. Perhaps some of your income comes from cashing in on climate change hysteria. Regardless, your a fanatic and full of shit.
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February 20, 2013 1:14pm
Griff

1. Who pays the AGW supporters ? Who do you mean? who pays for scientific research?
2. Do they have any other source of income ? do the denial nut jobs have any source of income other than oil money?
3 AGW proven false has not happened unless someone can find a reason for the rising temperatures as yet undiscovered it will not be unproven You can not totally rule out invisible climate pixies but I have no faith belief in them.
4Trillion Dollars Often bandied about by you
I doubt very much that a professor of climate earns more than say James Taylor of heartland does for denial propaganda .
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February 20, 2013 1:14pm
Fletch

hinamanu, yes, the Dept of Homeland Security has bought 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition which would take something like 20 years to use. It has also bought 7000 of the AR-15 assault rifles for “personal defense”.
Sounds like they’re tooling up for a war at home?
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February 20, 2013 1:17pm
RightNow

Let’s tally up the scorecard:

1. Who pays the AGW supporters ?
Who do you mean? who pays for scientific research?
Not answered, but fair to ask for a clarification. 5/10

2. Do they have any other source of income ?
do the denial nut jobs have any source of income other than oil money?
Deflected that one. 0/10. Less 10 points for the d-word. -10/10

3. What would happen to that income if AGW were proven false ?
AGW proven false has not happened unless someone can find a reason for the rising temperatures as yet undiscovered it will not be unproven You can not totally rule out invisible climate pixies but I have no faith belief in them.
Dodged it. 0/10

4. To the nearest few Trillion Dollars, how much is the global AGW industry (& its spin offs) worth ?
Trillion Dollars Often bandied about by you
Another dodge, another 0/10

Total score -5 from a possible 40. Would you like to use a lifeline?
You have one left: ‘Phone a pal to review your work.’
Unfortunately you’ve already used ‘model the questions to fit your hypothesis’
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February 20, 2013 1:29pm
Kea

Let me answer what Griff will not.

This is just for “carbon trading” alone and only for Europe over a year.

This is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of total cost of the AGW industry. ( remember to double it for NZ dollars, its in Euros)

The worth of traded EU carbon allowances and UN emissions credits fell from €95 billion in 2011 to a reported €61 billion.

http://www.euractiv.com/climate-environment/carbon-market-worth-plunged-thir-news-516881
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February 20, 2013 1:32pm
RightNow

I’m seeking clarification on the answer to question 4.
Was your answer actually “4Trillion Dollars”?
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February 20, 2013 1:33pm
cha

Heh!.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/126288478/S-D-ms-ECF-93-2013-02-19-Taitz-v-DPM-Order-Denying-Default
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February 20, 2013 1:59pm
RRM

David Bain is getting a gay marriage…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/
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February 20, 2013 2:47pm
Fletch

cha, looks like it’s all b/s.
Judging by her website, she surely did contact all 9 justices in the case using official mail etc.
It’s just an excuse not to look at the case.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

Chief Justice Roberts thought enough of the case to schedule a hearing in the Full Supreme Court.
Guess we’ll wait and see what happens.

It’s looking more and more like all the documentation Obama has has been falsified. It will eventually all come out.
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February 20, 2013 2:50pm
Kea

“David Bain is getting a gay marriage…” …..after he converts to Islam and becomes a communist.
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February 20, 2013 2:52pm
chiz

A new pen lets you draw in mid-air. It extrudes plastic rather than ink – a bit like a pen-shaped 3D printer.
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February 20, 2013 3:08pm
Kea

Obama brings war to the land of his birth 😉

In his first term, President Obama instructed the Pentagon to pivot its forces and reorient its strategy toward fast-growing Asia. Instead, the U.S. military finds itself drawn into a string of messy wars in another, much poorer part of the world: Africa.

Over the past two years, the Pentagon has become embroiled in conflicts in Libya, Somalia, Mali and central Africa. Meantime, the Air Force is setting up a fourth African drone base, while Navy warships are increasing their missions along the coastlines of East and West Africa.

In scope and expense, the U.S. military involvement in Africa still barely registers when compared with its presence in Asia, let alone the Middle East or Afghanistan. On any given day, there are only about 5,000 U.S. troops scattered across all of Africa, while 28,000 are stationed in South Korea alone.

But it is becoming more common for the Pentagon to deploy troops to parts of Africa that many Americans would be hard-pressed to locate on a map, such as Djibouti, the Central African Republic and now the West African country of Niger, where the U.S. military is planning a base for Predator drones.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/10819
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February 20, 2013 3:59pm
Griff

Birther alert 😆 dittohead talking points
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February 20, 2013 4:09pm
TheContrarian

Obama brings war to Hawaii? Wow.
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February 20, 2013 4:13pm
chiz

US driver crashes while having sex behind wheel. I see another coroner recommendation coming…
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February 20, 2013 4:52pm
Nookin

Love the last line. The Australian navy should end the insanity by sinking the prick.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8329457/Sea-Shepherd-ship-rammed
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February 20, 2013 5:02pm
Kea

I see Griff and Contrarian are displaying their usual lack of humour. Not much concern shown for the victims of Obama’s aggression though.
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