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nasska

Consequences…..

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z520fo4u50f827o/Fling.jpg
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February 19, 2013 7:41pm
Steve (North Shore)

The must be a lot of yelling, blamestorming, ducking for cover, blackmailing, fighting, dealing …..

going on in the Harawira, Hadfield, Hatfield FAMILY tonight.
Any Moari with less than three names is not a Moari
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February 19, 2013 7:42pm
Kea

UglyTruth. Why can you not accept the science that the world will end if we do not destroy democratic capitalist countries and become a global village of organic farming vegans with a single socialist world government. The “science” is clear on this. One has only to look at the success of the Soviet empire and Mao’s great leap forward to see how the model works.

Gaia is crying. Join Griff ~~for a joint~~ to strive for Climate Justice.
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February 19, 2013 7:47pm
Viking2

nasska (5,692) Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

Consequences…..

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z520fo4u50f827o/Fling.jpg

tut tut. wrong bird.
Musta been a Kiwi.
They have the largest egg for body size of any bird.

Obviously the buggers can’t stop themselves even in the ol’ Country.
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February 19, 2013 7:48pm
Johnboy

I’m growing a wonderful pumpkin by shitting on it Kea.

Will I be saved when Gaia makes her judgement? 🙂
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February 19, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

Said a journalist in 1865:

“But aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”
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February 19, 2013 8:00pm
Viking2

For the first time in the survey we ask agents about whether they are noticing more or fewer foreign buyers in the market and where they appear to come from. The top country is the United Kingdom with 27% of agents noting this, followed by China at 24%, then Australia 22%.
In Auckland however Chinese buyers are seen as prevalent among foreigners by 45% of agents responding.

http://tonyalexander.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/WOFebruary-14.pdf
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February 19, 2013 8:09pm
bereal

In no particular order.

Reid @ 6.40 Try to grasp a fundamental difference, Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse
or child molestation, it is not considered a legitimate sanction by any religion except islam.

Sadly child abuse does happen in our society and it is correctly regarded as a crime.
However abuse to this extent is unheard of in the name of any Christian religion.
Wanna argue that point ?

Ugly Truth @ 6.39 (aptly named) Chooses to ignore the fact that this abominable crime and its perpertrators
non punishment was committed by a teacher of islam.

The crime, trial, and “punishment” was conducted under sharia law according to islamic principles.
Ergo, your conclusion that Fayhani al Shandi is not a real muslim is just silly. A ludicrous excuse.
Of course he is a muslim, and doubtless a devout one at that.
You wanna argue ?

In fact it is ridiculous. Ostrich like stuff.

This case and the admitted facts of it are disgusting and indefensible to any decent person from any western
society however educated or uneducated they may be.
It could only happen in an islamic society under sharia law, islamic law.

The incredible thing is that, being in possession of the undisputed facts of this matter it appears
there are correspondents on this blog who will seek to try to justify it.

Why the fuck would they try to do that ?

Why, Reid ?

Why, Ugly Truth ?
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February 19, 2013 8:20pm
big bruv

“Try to grasp a fundamental difference, Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation, it is not considered a legitimate sanction by any religion except islam.”

Except that many suspect that the outgoing leader of the evil Catholic Church Joseph Raztinger is standing down because he condoned the practice of child abuse and child molestation.
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February 19, 2013 8:26pm
axeman

[sigh] Ugly Truth, Kea and Wat, afraid you will have to continue putting up with gwiffucknuckle, the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot. As mentioned his level of argument is still the one presented by the other CAGW cultists. Denigrating a wealth of skeptical reports and peer reviewed studies by GEOLOGISTS, METEOROLOGISTS and CLIMATE SCIENTISTS that expose the global warming scam, as ‘conspirawacky’ but then promulgating his/their own conspiracy theories about BIG OIL and Heartland.

GRIEF will still not answer Kea’s simple questions?
Kea (2,148) Says:

February 18th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I used to think Griff was sincere but mistaken. Now I am not so sure. He will not answer my simple questions.

1. Who pays the [alarmist]climate scientists ?

2. Would they have that money if AGW theory was proven false ?

3. What is the AGW industry estimated to be worth Globally ? (to the nearest few trillion dollars)

I wonder what the problem is? It is especially puzzling given his frequent comments about “funding” and scary stories about BIG OIL and the fictional “Carbon Industry”.

Also does the illiterate stoner gwuff know that if, by chance, his CAGW hoax revolution works out, that the useful idiots like him are the ones first to be lined up against the wall and shot. 🙂

BTW (again) The Global Warming Cult and the Death of Science

“………”If you believe that freedom is at the core of what it means to be human, then the ALARMISTS and what they stand for are instinctively repulsive to you. On the other hand, if you believe that human society must be organized into a moral collective for the betterment of all, then the ALARMIST idea provides a wake up call compelling us to form into ranks and goose step in recycled rubber boots into the [green] future. ”
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February 19, 2013 8:33pm
nasska

From the link supplied earlier by ‘bereal”.

….”Activists say under Islamic laws a father cannot be executed for murdering his children. Husbands can also not be executed for murdering their wives, the group say.”…..

This is Islamic Law….Shariah Law, not the law of Saudi Arabia. A law system which equates the life of a baby girl with the value of a second hand car & allows some religious nutjob to walk.

Maybe it’s time for the apologists for this sect to wake up & smell the coffee.
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February 19, 2013 8:34pm
joana

Elaycee
You missed all my points..My point was the cost of imprisonment. Are you not aware of the costs? You and the good folk you surround yourself with , pay very high taxes to support a system which does not work.
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February 19, 2013 8:36pm
hj

Billionaires are hiding behind a network of “independent” groups, who manipulate politics on their behalf.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 19th February 2013.

Conspiracies against the public don’t get much uglier than this. As the Guardian revealed last week, two secretive organisations working for US billionaires have spent $118m to ensure that no action is taken to prevent manmade climate change(1). While inflicting untold suffering on the world’s people, their funders have used these opaque structures to ensure that their identities are never exposed.

http://www.monbiot.com

Wouldn’t mind betting there’s land supply involved here too?
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February 19, 2013 8:39pm
bereal

An erudite observation nasska.
as opposed to the submission from big bruv.

Nothing really wrong with big bruvs post.
Just that it exposes the fact he has no appreciation of the larger issue.

Love to hear from Reid or Ugly Truth.

Also Griff, grow up you girl.
Thumbs down to everything does get a little boring darling.
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February 19, 2013 8:41pm
hj

Attn Griff

http://www.monbiot.com/2013/02/18/secrets-of-the-rich/
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February 19, 2013 8:43pm
hj

The two organisations – the Donors’ Trust and the Donors’ Capital Fund – were set up as political funding channels for people handing over $1m or more. They have financed 102 organisations which either dismiss climate science or downplay the need to take action. The large number of recipients creates the impression that there are many independent voices challenging climate science. These groups, working through the media, mobilising gullible voters and lobbying politicians, helped to derail Obama’s cap and trade bill and the climate talks at Copenhagen. Now they’re seeking to prevent the US president from trying again(2).

This covers only part of the funding. In total, between 2002 and 2010 the two identity-laundering groups paid $311m to 480 organisations(3), most of which take positions of interest to the ultra-rich and the corporations they run: less tax, less regulation, a smaller public sector. Around a quarter of the money received by the rightwing opinion swarm comes from the two foundations. If this funding were not effective, it wouldn’t exist: the ultra-rich didn’t get that way by throwing their money around randomly. The organisations they support are those which advance their interests.

A small number of the funders have been exposed by researchers trawling through tax records. They include the billionaire Koch brothers *(paying into the two groups through their Knowledge and Progress Fund) and the DeVos family (the billionaire owners of Amway)(4). More significantly, we now know a little more about the recipients. Many describe themselves as free market or conservative think tanks.

*small world.. Wendell Cox… Demographia…. .. our government (National)!
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February 19, 2013 8:48pm
Kea

I feel that our friend Griff has been misunderstood by some on KB. In order to clear up any misunderstanding I present to the KB community this very brief summary from Griff himself. His lovely partner, Karma, has few words at the end (its worth waiting for folks) 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSo-MEiMbac
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February 19, 2013 8:56pm
Viking2

Garry Poole new Tauranga CEO

Posted at 5:25pm Tuesday 19th Feb, 2013
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Wellington City Council Chief Executive, Garry Poole, is confirmed as the new Chief Executive of Tauranga City Council.

The announcement was made following a meeting of councillors this afternoon. Garry is expected to take up his new Tauranga job in April.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/39283-garry-poole-new-tauranga-ceo.html
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February 19, 2013 8:59pm
hj

Hard to believe that the ultra rich could be so pathologically selfish huh!?
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February 19, 2013 9:00pm
Rodders

Whenever I hear of the Harawira’s, somehow I am reminded of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXGhZebNOo
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February 19, 2013 9:00pm
wat dabney

“Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation”

The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.
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February 19, 2013 9:03pm
Kea

hj (3,452) Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Hard to believe that the ultra rich could be so pathologically selfish huh!?

I want to agree, but I am curious as to what you are comparing them to ?

The greedy capitalist pigs do not look so bad, when you compare them to socialist regimes where the party elite want for nothing and live in splendor, while the workers starve or live brutal lives of grinding poverty, with no chance of escape physically or economically.

So it begs the question; what is your reference point when you make that statement ?
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February 19, 2013 9:10pm
nasska

Careful Griff! 🙂

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February 19, 2013 9:11pm
Kea

wat dabney (2,357) Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
“Catholics do not endorse or encourage child abuse or child molestation”

The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.

Also non-virgin brides can be stoned to death on their fathers door-step.

Of course, if they were raped, the good book demands they marry their rapist and can never divorce.

( For those interested in legal stuff, rape is a Property Crime in the bible. The party suffering the loss is the owner of the female. The owner must be compensated at the prescribed rate.)
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February 19, 2013 9:16pm
hj

They are skilled at rechannelling the public anger which might otherwise have been directed at their funders
……
house prices: greenies holding up developers…!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/charities-pr-rightwing-ultra-rich
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February 19, 2013 9:18pm
Left Right and Centre

James Stephenson contributes:

Funny how “big” has become such a perjorative…Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Pharma…who are Little Tobacco?

I like that kind of observation James- another one of life’s mysteries. Some genius or geniuses out there started that trend- wouldn’t it be cool to be able to trace it’s origin?
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February 19, 2013 9:26pm
Elaycee

@joana: Sorry, I thought I’d made my point….

The system IS largely working – because it is keeping these mongrels locked up as part of their punishment for their illegal actions. And by having these morons locked up, the system also means that society is safer because these criminals are not walking around our streets. And I have no issues at all with my tax dollars being spent on building more prisons to lock up these criminals. Double bunked / converted containers – sounds like a great idea to me.

And I agree on another point you raised – we spend far too much on keeping these morons locked up… whilst prisoners should be provided with the essentials (food, water and shelter) the taxpayer should not be expected to fork out for TVs, laptops etc. Jail is, after all, punishment for crimes committed. As I said at the outset, actions have consequences.
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February 19, 2013 9:31pm
Left Right and Centre

Viking2 reports:

Garry Poole new Tauranga CEO

Good for him. It’s like sport eh? He’s transferred to another club.

I assume that the man has enough wealth to retire with a fabulous lifestyle? If so… good on him for his calvinist work ethic.
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February 19, 2013 9:31pm
Kea

LRC, maybe Griff would like the oil industry better if it was broken up into thousands of inefficient little cottage industries. They could make “organic” co2………….. OH WAIT……… It is organic anyway. “Carbon” means organic and is the basis of all known life.

There is a tiny industry for Elemental carbon. That is the only “carbon industry” unless you mean the multi trillion dollar organics industry.

Here is a bit about what the actual “carbon industry does”. Exciting stuff ! 🙂

“Black paints and lacquers possess approximately double the lifetime through the reinforcing power of colloidal carbon and its ability to screen out injurious actinic radiation
Printing inks give clear, instantaneous imprints due to colloidal carbon black
Rubber insulation – additional insulating and protective value due to the inclusion of colloidal carbon”

http://www.malvern.com/labeng/industry/mineral-processing/carbon.htm
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February 19, 2013 9:35pm
Kea

nasska (5,695) Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Careful Griff!

LOL 🙂

Good one.
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February 19, 2013 9:42pm
Left Right and Centre

fluffy mcfluff fluff take it or leave it:

My latest weapon in the weight maintenance war: soy sauce. Love it on the green boiled veg. Trying to get back down to my happy weight once more and enjoyed an unprecedented two full large pots of veg this evening thanks to the wonderful flavour soy sauce gives it. Full stomach…. yeah!!

And on a recent occasion I cooked the veg simply for the great taste of it with the soy sauce. So that’s a meal I now look forward to rather than ‘having to do’ a little reluctantly. That’s a battle turned in my favour, can I also win the war?
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February 19, 2013 9:44pm
Left Right and Centre

Elaycee @ 9:31 pm

Amen to most of that comment. *cyber pat on the shoulder*
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February 19, 2013 9:47pm
Kea

Left Right and Centre, veges can taste like food, if you add sauces and spices. Indians and Asians know how to do that well. Try a few Indian recipes for lentils (or ask Griff) Chickpeas etc.

Personally I only eat Whale meat deep fried in Dolphin blubber & cooked over a roaring fire of car tyres and exotic rain forest hard woods.
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February 19, 2013 9:58pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea @ 9:35 pm

Kea… how did I get sucked up into some climate change shit? I was just minding my own business!!

I don’t know how either of you choose to devote however much time it is you do going through all the infinite screeds of info about the climate change debate. It’s fucking impressive to me. I’m just about asleep trying to read the two words ‘climate’ and ‘change’.

It actually causes me physical pain to try and read the two ‘c’ words. My brain has an automatic cut-off switch to protect me from wasting lifespan looking at it.

I’ve tried to care about it… I really have. I just *don’t*!! It’s a big planet man… 7B folks… it’s a bit of a runaway train. It’s like talking about a runaway train when there’s not much you can do about it one way or another. And time… a lot of perhaps not ideal things happen in life because people are so busy with their own lives and their own stuff and deciding that they’d rather enjoy this or do something else rather than risk taking up a cause knowing that there’s not a lot they can do about it whether griffy or kea is right… because even if they do try and do something- everyone has to try and do something… and you know that everyone else is not going to do something and so you don’t either- a bit of a self-perpetuating society.

Stream of consciousness there- I do apologize to the entire KB universe…
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February 19, 2013 9:59pm
Left Right and Centre

Left Right and Centre, veges can taste like food, if you add sauces and spices.

Spice knowledge. ummmm….. Spice Girls?

I don’t know about Indian food… I don’t like dairies that stink heavily of shit knows what- gluuurcghcgh. Mind you even that’s better than 14 hour shift BO.
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February 19, 2013 10:06pm
UglyTruth

@Bereal

Chooses to ignore the fact that this abominable crime and its perpertrators
non punishment was committed by a teacher of islam.

I didn’t ignore it, I argued that Islam (per the Qur’an) teaches the opposite of what he did.

The crime, trial, and “punishment” was conducted under sharia law according to islamic principles.

That’s arguable. There is plenty of evidence of gender bias in Islamic society, but it is not because of Islamic principles.

Ergo, your conclusion that Fayhani al Shandi is not a real muslim is just silly.

Non sequitur.

Bereal, I’m defending Islam here, not the man who raped and murdered his own daughter. I have no argument with your opinion of him.

The reason why I’m defending Islam is because of western ignorance, prejudice, and calumny against the religion. The main area of ignorance is that Christianity’s own canon describes the conflict which led to the separation of the Christians from the people of the way, and that conflict resulted in the lawful path leading to Turkey, not Rome. Unsuprisingly the conflict resulted in religious prejudice, and that prejudice is now institutional via Westminster. An example of the calumny is the assertion that Muslim extremists were responsible for the events of 9/11, and this is consistent with the historical behaviour of the west (eg Northwoods and Gladio).
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February 19, 2013 10:12pm
Kea

Left Right and Centre , even I am getting a little bored with CC, but I have some fight left in me 😉

I am actually a bit of a greeny at heart. However, I feel the modern green movement has become a political ideology based upon the promotion of socialism. I am not alone in this, as the founder of Greenpeace is now a vocal critic of the environmental movement for this very reason.

Many support AGW based upon a general concern for the environment and various social issues. My concern is that as AGW is more widely rejected, genuine environmental concerns will be rejected along with it. I mean who will listen to “scientists” and experts after they have pulled this AGW bullshit on us ? It will also diminish the credibility of science in the eyes of the public. That is my concern.
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February 19, 2013 10:20pm
UglyTruth

The Bible tells us that disobedient children must be stoned to death.

Apparently that doesn’t qualify as child abuse.

It’s not as simple as that – in Judaic law the death penalty can only be applied in certain circumstances.
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February 19, 2013 10:21pm
Kea

UglyTruth. Nope… It is the clear words of the bible. Trying to introduce other random bits and create a cut and paste bible to suit our modern morality is biblically wrong.

Sorry.
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February 19, 2013 10:27pm
UglyTruth

Kea, context is everything. If you don’t know about the balance between severity and mercy your interpretation will always be way off base.
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February 19, 2013 10:43pm
Griff

The president of the World Bank on Saturday warned the finance chiefs of the world’s leading economic powers that global warming is a real risk to the planet and already affecting the world economy in unprecedented ways.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-02-climate-real-economic-world-bank.html#jCp

Super storm Boha
More disturbing than Bopha’s size was the fact that it appeared to reflect rapidly deteriorating climatic trends. The five most devastating typhoons recorded in the Philippines have occurred since 1990, affecting 23 million people. What is more, Bopha hit an area where typhoons are all but unknown.
“Extreme weather is becoming more frequent – you could even call it the new normal,” Sering said. “Last year [Bopha] hurt us very much. If this continues, we are looking at a big drain on resources.”
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February 19, 2013 10:48pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea… I’d never heard of AGW before washing up on KB. But here it is…. staring me in the face. Statistically perhaps I couldn’t avoid it… if not here, then my so-called intellectual curiosity would run into it someplace or other. All roads lead to Rome?

Good for you Kea. Long may you prosper. Hmmm… that’s a bit Star Trekky.

Here’s to the joy of having more than one-and-a-half peasant class braincells and living in a relatively well-off country. Where most people can be concerned about anything other than where their next meal is coming from. We’re so lucky.

Cheers!!
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February 19, 2013 10:49pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea- talking to religious folks is like trying to turn a tiger into a vegan. Good luck with that.

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could all cross over to the other side and back just for a quick look see… and then someone would be telling someone else ‘see- told ya so!!’.
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February 19, 2013 10:53pm
Kea

Poor old Griff, with the scientists abandoning him he has resorted to quoting BANKERS and other self interest groups wanting a piece of he multi Trillon dollar global industry. At least he is closer to following the money trail…

He also can not tell the difference between weather and climate. A difference explained by the AGW industry every time Europe gets (yet another) freezing winter, as they are now. Frigid freezing temperatures are “weather” but a seasonal warming (its called summer time) in Aussie is “climate”.

A bit of common sense helps sort things out I find.
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February 19, 2013 10:57pm
axeman

Frigid freezing temperatures are “weather” but a seasonal warming (its called summer time) in Aussie is “climate”. 🙂

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600770_10151390991968895_639590630_n.jpg

And there has been 65 million years of climate change. The next time you hear “the warmest year on record” excuse you should ask when that record started.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png
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February 19, 2013 11:05pm
Kea

axeman, how much did ExxonMobil pay you for that post?

I bet it was chicken feed compared to the billions paid to weathermen for lying about AGW.

Of course not all weather men lie. Our very own Augie Auer (an atmospheric scientist and meteorologist, Chief Meteorologist for the Meteorological Service) told the truth.

In a 19 May 2007 interview with The Timaru Herald newspaper, Auer said a combination of misinterpreted and misguided science, media hype, and political spin had created the current hysteria and it was time to put a stop to it, adding “It is time to attack the myth of global warming.”

So the AGW industry took him off the Telly. Same as they have done with David Bellamy. It speaks volumes about the sort of people behind this.
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February 19, 2013 11:15pm
Left Right and Centre

I’m not above watching Saint Chipmonk and I did feel sorry for the chchabrians that had uninsurable sections in redzones who have been offered 50% of their rateable values by CERA. Is that right?

Then you had old sackneck Brownlee telling them it was a generous offer considering the land aint worth the paper the deeds are printed on now.

It would be nice to pay the buggers 100% of their pre-quake value. But… if we’re all into capitalism etc… market forces… then what do you say? The quakes were no-ones fault- the value is gone- tough capitalist titties?

I can’t imagine losing 100K down the shitter just like that- devastating. How were those people meant to protect themselves from that happening to them before they bought their sections?
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February 19, 2013 11:18pm
bereal

Jeez, this is hard work trying to get a point through to many of the self hating, politically correct supporters
of islam and sharia law we have here in New Zealand
They will argue the hind leg off a camel and it’s hard to tie them down to any particular point.

i note that Reid, usually up for any discussion has retired hurt tonight.

Ugly Truth has resorted to the ” ,yes but ,but what about,,,,blah blah.” argument.
Yes but, is the weakest, craven, non argument that one could dredge up.
But at least he is up to try and mount some sort of an intelligent argument at least.

Of course everyone now recognises that Griff is ….. well we all know what Griff is.

If Griff didn’t have Kea to contiually circle fuck with, well, what would either of them have ?

But….

How can we reduce this argument to its most simple terms to avoid wriggle room ?
and i address Ugly Truth here.

Would you rather live under a Westminster system of government and justice,
or, would you rather live under an islamic system and sharia law ?

And why ?

Maybe those questions may focus your thoughts. And.

Secondly. what aspect, if any of islamic and sharia law do you feel are superior to a democracy based on the Wesminster
system ?

Thirdly, if you have no answer to the preceeding questions why do you go to bat for islam ?

Just address the preceeding and ignore the following.

The third one has to make you think.
Where did you get your ideas from ?
were you a student at Waikato at some stage ?
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February 19, 2013 11:40pm
Pete George

Would you rather live under a Westminster system of government and justice,
or, would you rather live under an islamic system and sharia law ?

And why ?

I’d rather live under the system of government and justice that we have in New Zealand. It could benefit from some minor changes and would benefit from a change of attitude to how it is implemented (especially government) but it’s as good as nything anywhere.

Secondly. what aspect, if any of islamic and sharia law do you feel are superior to a democracy based on the Wesminster system ?

Don’t know and don’t care, it’s not relevant. There is no chance of very small minority (in New Zealand) religious based law being implemented here, Even those extremists from the (possibly) majority Christian religion can’t impose their views.

New Zealand has a clear separation of state from religion and in practice that works better in practice than pretty much anywhere.

Thirdly, if you have no answer to the preceeding questions why do you go to bat for islam ?

I’ve answered them. And even if I didn’t that doesn’t mean the only other option is to “go to bat for islam”. I am not religious, I don’t have any intention of changing that and I don’t bat for Islam at all.

I do go in to bat for equality, and I oppose discrimination based on people’s beliefs. Anyone who has religious beliefs has a right to not be comdemned and vilified for things they are not doing and there is no indication or evidence they may ever do.

I see pressure to impose religious beliefs and religion based laws from extreme Christians here, and from no people of other religious persuasions. As they are a very small minority I don’t have any fears that they will convert New Zealand into a religious state.
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February 20, 2013 6:25am
UglyTruth

Bereal, getting your point through involves addressing the fact that the Qur’an opposes the abuse of females, not reducing my argument to “blah blah”.

Your question about the relative merits of the Islamic and Westminster systems can be answered by comparing their deficiencies. The deficiency of the Westminster system is that is libels anyone who opposes it – at its heart it is unlawful and corrupt. The deficiency of the Islamic system is that it is infiltrated by political mullahs, the Wahabists and the Muslim brotherhood are organizations which support the promotion of a political agenda in the guise of religion. To be honest, I don’t know which would be worse, I think that it depends on the country.

In response to your second question, theocracy is superior to democracy because deity expresses wisdom that isn’t typically found in secular culture. Democracy is only viable when the the voters are informed of the wider issues and the representatives are able to pursue their public policy without defrauding the minority of their rights.
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February 20, 2013 8:06am
UglyTruth

New Zealand has a clear separation of state from religion and in practice that works better in practice than pretty much anywhere.

NZ’s head of state is also the head of an offshoot of the state religion of Rome. The Westminster system is based on religion, and one of the beliefs of that religion is that the power of the state is universal.
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February 20, 2013 8:13am
RRM

David Bain is getting a gay marriage…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/
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February 20, 2013 2:21pm
Pauleastbay

Apparently, California has the highest rate of adultery and depression in the Union. That’s actually a sad State of affairs.
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