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February 18, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Kea

I used to think Griff was sincere but mistaken. Now I am not so sure. He will not answer my simple questions.

1. Who pays the climate scientists ?

2. Would they have that money if AGW theory was proven false ?

3. What is the AGW industry estimated to be worth Globally ? (to the nearest few trillion dollars)

I wonder what the problem is? It is especially puzzling given his frequent comments about “funding” and scary stories about BIG OIL and the fictional “Carbon Industry”.
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February 18, 2013 7:03pm
meh

Ffs, now seven sharp are trying to spin the school closures as the beginning of a hidden agenda to close all intermediate schools. Long bow…
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February 18, 2013 7:08pm
wat dabney

Turns out that if you model the wrong thing you get the wrong answer. Garbage in, garbage out.

“According to our calculations, in the coming years, it should get warmer by leaps. But we do not trust that prognosis. Because the simulations should also have been able to predict the current standstill of the temperature increase – which did not happen.” That according to the climate researcher Jochen Marotzke of MPI-M in Hamburg…the Nobel Prize Laureate Paul J. Crutzen puts that to the point: “There is already so much CO2 in the atmosphere, that in many areas of the spectrum the absorption by CO2 is nearly complete, and additional CO2 does not play any role”…Computer models with freely variable parameters start with the premise that this [historical] small temperature increase is more the result of the greenhouse gas water vapor… This most important basis of all models can be shown as wrong….it is quite evident that there is no correlation between the atmospheric CO2 concentration and water evaporation. The latter does not depend on CO2 but on the water temperature. That, in turn, depends primarily on the screening by clouds which depends on the incoming cosmic radiation which varies with the rhythm of the solar magnetic field. This also explains why, without the action of IR-active trace gases there was both a Roman and Medieval climate optimum

http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/128-the-climate-models-are-failing.html
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February 18, 2013 7:24pm
UglyTruth

Global conspirorwhacky to rule the world- a manufactured crisis. Nut-job alert

Didn’t Operation Northwoods represent a manufactured crisis?
Wouldn’t someone who ignored documented evidence of a planned conspiracy be described as a nut-job?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html
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February 18, 2013 7:30pm
Kea

Wat, how much are you getting paid by BIG OIL ?

Griff tells me every one who tells the truth about AGW is part of a global conspiracy and is bought off by BIG OIL. However I have yet to receive any payments. I was wondering if you had the number of the [chuckle] “Carbon Industry” head office. ? 🙂
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February 18, 2013 7:46pm
nasska

The good old days…..

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pckj6nl4hzes1kv/The%20Old%20Days.jpg
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February 18, 2013 7:48pm
wat dabney

Kea,

I’m still awaiting my first payment from big oil. It’s probably in the post.

I wonder it if will be anything like the well-over one million bucks that arch-alarmist James Hansen has received for pedalling his shit?

Nearer two million, actually.
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February 18, 2013 7:51pm
Kea

Of course Griff is lying about BIG OIL denying climate change.

This is cut n’ pasted from ExxonMobile’s home page !

“Managing climate change risks
Our strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is focused on increasing energy efficiency in the short term, implementing proven emission-reducing technologies in the near and medium term, and developing breakthrough, game-changing technologies for the long term. Technological innovation will play a central role in our ability to increase supply, improve efficiency, and reduce emissions. Approximately 90 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions generated by petroleum products are released when customers use our products, and the remaining 10 percent are generated by industry operations.1 Therefore, technology is also needed to reduce energy-related emissions by end users.”

You see folks, there is no gain in them telling the truth about AGW. It will only hurt their public image and they will be portrayed as not caring for the environment. So they play along, because the world needs their product and demand is increasing all the time as more countries become richer. Wait until all those Chinese own cars ! Luckly there is more than enough oil for everyone, with some massive oil reserves found in the last 12 months.
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February 18, 2013 7:55pm
Pete George

Zac @95bFM: Is there room for MPs with homophobic views in the Labour Party?

David Shearer: Oh look yes, absolutely, there are some…

http://yournz.org/2013/02/18/shearer-absolutely-theres-room-for-mps-with-homophobic-views-in-labour/
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February 18, 2013 7:55pm
Left Right and Centre

from colville-

LR and C
Its amazing that he has managed to whore him self to sooo many teams for sooo much money and he is totally crap eh?
That Nasser must be a great salesman!

Can’t agree with totally crap. As converts go… he was just ok. Not brilliant. So-so. He’s got size and strength, height as his main selling points. Once you face a team like England or SA….. that’s nullified.

Look at some of the other converts. Andrew Walker got my respect. He was awesome playing union. Some of them ‘get it’ straight away, and some of them have trouble adjusting. SBW always looked a bit of a fish out of water playing rugby. I expected the guy to be some kind of arse-whipping stromtrooping line-busting big D man mountain brutal unstoppable nose-snorting son-of-a-bitch. But…. he didn’t live up to that. He was kind of lame in the end. Storm in a teacup.

Compare his skill level to say a Cory Jane. Really?
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February 18, 2013 7:58pm
nasska

Could this be air travel in the future?

Attendant: Welcome aboard Jetstar, sir. May I see your ticket?

Passenger: Sure.

Attendant: You’re in seat 12B. That will be $5, please!

Passenger: What for?

Attendant: For telling you where to sit.

Passenger: But I already knew where to sit.

Attendant: Nevertheless, we are now charging a seat locator fee of $5. It’s the airline’s new policy.

Passenger: That’s the craziest thing I ever heard. I won’t pay it.

Attendant: Sir, do you want a seat on this flight, or not?

Passenger: Yes, yes. All right, I’ll pay. But the airline is going to hear about this.

Attendant: Thank you. My goodness, your carry-on bag looks heavy. Would you like me to stow it in the overhead compartment for you?

Passenger: That would be great, thanks.

Attendant: No problem. Up we go, and done! That will be $10, please.

Passenger: What?

Attendant: The airline now charges a $10 carry-on assistance fee.

Passenger: This is extortion. I won’t stand for it.

Attendant: Actually, you’re right, you can’t stand. You need to sit, and fasten your seat belt. We’re about to push back from the gate. But, first I need that $10.

Passenger: No way!

Attendant: Sir, if you don’t comply, I will be forced to call the air security officer. And you really don’t want me to do that.

Passenger: Why not? Is he going to shoot me?

Attendant: No, but there’s a $50 fee for calling security.

Passenger: Oh, all right, here, take the $10. I can’t believe this.

Attendant: Thank you for your cooperation, sir. Is there anything else I can do for you?

Passenger: Yes. It’s stuffy in here, and my overhead fan doesn’t seem to work. Can you fix it?

Attendant: Your overhead fan is not broken, sir. Just insert three twenty cent pieces into the overhead coin slot for the first five minutes.

Passenger: The airline is charging me for cabin air?

Attendant: Of course not, sir. Stagnant cabin air is provided free of charge. It’s the circulating air that costs 60 cents.

Passenger: I don’t have any 20 cent pieces. Can you change a dollar?

Attendant: Certainly, sir! Here you go!

Passenger: But you’ve given me only four for my dollar.

Attendant: Yes, there’s a change-making fee of 20 cents.

Passenger: For cryin’ out loud. All I have left is a twenty cents? What the heck can I do with this?
Attendant: Hang onto it. You’ll need it later for the lavatory.
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February 18, 2013 8:00pm
chiz

Judith:

Just when you think there are not many chances for the human race – with the gene pool seemingly working against any hopes for the future of the race and the planet, someone like this beauty emerges…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8316713/Teen-thought-to-be-smarter-than-Einstein

A false reading, proof that IQ testing is unreliable, or a reason not to discount taxi drivers?

None of the above. This is sloppy journalism. IQ tests can sometimes give the wrong result but that isn’t the main problem with this story. Many people don’t realise that there are different IQ tests and that they all use different scales. Trying to compare an IQ obtained with one test to IQs obtained using another test is like comparing a temperature in Celsius to a temperature in Fahrenheit.

The two main IQ tests are the Stanford-Binet and the WAIS. Scores on one are very similar to scores on the other and chances are that if you come across a claim that so-and-so has an IQ of X it was probably obtained using one of those two tests. However Mensa uses the Cattell test which gives quite different numbers. The girl in the article you linked to, Lauren Marbe, had a reported IQ of 161 on the Cattell test. This corresponds to 138 on the Stanford-Binet and 140 on the WAIS. So her IQ, using the scales that most people hear about, is actually about 138-140 which makes it lower than Bill Gates and Einstein etc.

This story originated from the British media but they aren’t the only ones to make this mistake. Some time ago, TV3’s current affairs show had a story on a man who supposedly had the highest IQ in the country – except that it turned that they tested him with the Cattell test. When you converted it to the SB/WAIS it wasn’t so remarkable or rare. I tried pointing this out to TV3 but they never ran a correction.
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February 18, 2013 8:17pm
Viking2

Monday, 18 February 2013

Jihad seeker’s Allowance

A controversial Muslim cleric who lives off benefits is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers by claiming their ‘Jihadseeker’s allowance’.

Oh, the joy of living in multicultural Britain.

But rest easy, it could never happen here.

http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/jihad-seekers-allowance.html
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February 18, 2013 8:20pm
Viking2

Europe by night.

http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/europe-by-night.html
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February 18, 2013 8:22pm
Reid

Chuck Hagel, President Obama’s Secretary of Defense nominee, is in trouble. Why? Because he famously said: “The Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here… I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a United States senator.”

On Friday, forty allegedly American Senators blocked Hagel’s nomination with a filibuster. Their message was loud and clear: “We are not United States Senators. We are Israeli Senators.”

Alan Hart, former lead BBC Mideast correspondent, expressed his disgust at the Israeli Senators’ vote on my radio show, Truth Jihad Radio, this Friday: “This is treason. Serving a foreign nation, rather than one’s own, is not just wrong – it is treasonous.”

One of the traitors, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Israel), mentioned Israel sixteen times while grilling Hagel. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Israel) mentioned Israel ten times. Altogether, Republican Senators mentioned Israel 64 times during their hostile cross-examination of Hagel. The war in Afghanistan – supposedly America’s most pressing military issue – was only mentioned four times.

What would the world be like if the US wasn’t in the pockets of the Israelis?

Who knows.
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February 18, 2013 8:49pm
wat dabney

“Truth Jihad Radio”

Really, Reid?
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February 18, 2013 8:57pm
Griff

“All 33,690 of the writers of scientific papers that accept global warming are in on the hoax or just sucked in”.

Then the nut force start bleating about personality’s, what the fuck do they think science is? reality tv, a popularity contest ?

33690 scientists Involved in the writing of 13950 articles in the scientific literature .

Not Hansen Mann and Al fucking Gore.

Just because denial revolves around a couple of dozen pr hacks , lawyers and the odd weirdo scientist does not mean climate science is as limited in the range of people involved. How can it be political do they think there is a test when you do your phd whether you vote left or right? scientist are the full range on the political spectrum.

conspirwhacky 😆
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February 18, 2013 8:59pm
nasska

Reid

Biased views are certainly not the sole preserve of senators sympathetic to the Israeli cause. The interviewing host was part of Truth Jihad Radio whose mission statement is “exposing the 911 lies.

Somehow I would find any opinions expressed via this medium to be a little sus.
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February 18, 2013 9:01pm
chiz

Obviously with a title like that Wat the show is promoting a jihad against truth and this is why Reid is citing it.
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February 18, 2013 9:02pm
nasska

Griff

Universities throughout the Western world are hotbeds of liberal/socialist thinking. It wouldn’t be totally necessary to be a card carrying socialist to get a PhD but it would make it somewhat easier.

For what it’s worth my bitch about the AGW scam is how it has been hijacked by ‘world government’ types who are using the fear that has been generated in order to further their cause.
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February 18, 2013 9:09pm
Reid

So….

The US isn’t in Israel’s pocket?

Really?

Where have you guys been?

Are you blind?

Are you deaf?

Can’t you read?

Or is it because since it’s [apparently] the “land of the free and the home of the brave,” you just don’t want to believe what’s a very, extremely, drop-dead, self-evident, fact?
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February 18, 2013 9:11pm
nasska

chiz

I don’t think there’d be much danger of balance or honesty being found close to media outfit that has “jihad” in its name. 🙂
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February 18, 2013 9:12pm
hj

Lay Off Real estate Agents!

Last week, after select committee hearings on the new real estate agent legislation, he was up to his same old tricks. However, United Future leader, Peter (Smokey) Dunne, (who calls himself Mr Common Sense) played a card not many expected :snort: [o.k :snigger: } 🙄
In a release which has probably gone unreported, he says the United Future party “will withdraw its support for the Real Estate Agents Bill…unless there are major changes to the legislation and the sponsoring minister, Clayton Cosgrove, adopts a more consultative attitude.”
http://landlords1.wordpress.com/
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February 18, 2013 9:13pm
chiz

Hinamanu:

Like to see Mr Farrars reaction to this argument against GE food.

Monsanto Corporation gets owned by 11 year old boy

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/monsanto-corporation-gets-owned-by-11-year-old-boy-video/

In what way do Monsanto get owned? The boy is fairly gullible and is, obviously, repeating propaganda.
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February 18, 2013 9:13pm
nasska

Reid

The USA will be influenced by politicians sympathetic to Israel but its not run by them. Israel is well represented but the same could be said for religious groups & unions.

They are but one part of the various factions that govern the USA.
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February 18, 2013 9:17pm
bereal

All bullshitting aside.

We are all lucky to live in an age where we can see such a prime physical specimen and superb all round athlete
as Sonny Bill Williams.

Of course everyone has some flaws, you could argue that Mundine and islam didn’t t do him much good, but
you could equally argue that that was the making of him. (Whatever it was, something made him, mentally and physically.)

But you would have to go on a hard days ride to find
any all round athlete from New Zealand in any age you could compare with him.
Who would argue with that ?

And guess what.
His best may be still to come.

You have to ask, why do so many of his countrymen go out of their way to put him down ?

Next poster to put him down, ask yourself, “Why”
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February 18, 2013 9:29pm
Reid

They are but one part of the various factions that govern the USA.

nasska that’s obviously what you believe but I’m afraid you’re not correct and you should look more closely into the reality. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby for example.

This got those guys fired. I imagine if you googled “John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt” you’d probably get several million “debunker” hits. This should also tell you something, if you know what you’re looking at.

On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and “turn the US against us. “Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying “don’t worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America.”

Fact is, none of this should be “news” to anyone. It shouldn’t shock you, or even give you pause for thought. If you haven’t already realised and assimilated this as a fact of life which has been in existence for decades, then one is extremely ill-informed about basic global political reality.
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February 18, 2013 9:34pm
nasska

Reid

I concede that Israel ii influence within the important financial sector is disproportionate to its size or the numbers of those USA citizens with Jewish backgrounds. They are still only one relatively small part of the jigsaw that is political America.

It would seem that Sharon was having a “dinnerjacket” moment of madness.
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February 18, 2013 9:48pm
Fletch

What would the world be like if the US wasn’t in the pockets of the Israelis?

Reid, Senator Lindsey Graham called Hagel on his Israel comments, asking him to name one person who has been intimidated by the so-called “Israeli lobby” or one thing the the U.S had been goaded or led into doing by the Jewish lobby.

Hagel couldn’t come up with anything there, either, and was made to look incredibly stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1FB9BUBUeDQ
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February 18, 2013 9:51pm
UglyTruth

Obviously with a title like that Wat the show is promoting a jihad against truth and this is why Reid is citing it.

You would have to expect prejudice against the site in any could with links to the Westminster system. Validation of the gospel of Barnabus as described on truthjihad means the end of Pauline Christianity.
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February 18, 2013 9:52pm
Griff

I am not interested in the political solutions . Nor am I any friend of the whacky* side of the right wing conservative moment.

We will need to acknowledge that it will have a significant effect to plan sensibly for the warmer future.
If the right wing continues to allow the green party to dominate the debate over global warming they will continue to lose votes to the greens and other alternatives. If New Zealand is seen to do nothing on limiting carbon it will effect our trade

The science is not the politics or the proposed national and global solutions.

* Used to refer to those who unquestioningly accept and repeat right-wing propaganda no matter how outrageous or unbelievable.
As opposed to normal conservatives who have relatively independent minds–those few that remain.
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February 18, 2013 9:55pm
Reid

Hagel couldn’t come up with anything there, either, and was made to look incredibly stupid.

So on the strength of that Fletch you don’t think AIPAC exerts influence? BTW, did it occur to you that if Hagel did start listing them he opens himself up to strawmen attack? Which is to say the least unseemly during a confirmation hearing.

I concede that Israel ii influence within the important financial sector is disproportionate to its size or the numbers of those USA citizens with Jewish backgrounds. They are still only one relatively small part of the jigsaw that is political America.

nasska the bankers are but one tiny fragment and Sharon wasn’t having a senior moment. The real powerful players in the political field are the Israel-first Hollyweird people and the Israel-first US media owners. Because they influence. They decide which stories get run and the angles that are taken and more importantly, which stories don’t ever get a look in. Plus then you have the AIPAC PAC. I trust I don’t need to explicate them. Taken altogether, they distorts US politics beyond all recognition. They’re not the only malevolent influence in US politics, don’t get me wrong. But they’re there, they’re significant and they are malevolent.
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February 18, 2013 10:08pm
UglyTruth

Griff, what reason is there to think that your prediction of a warmer future is accurate, given that there has not been any statistically significant warming since the nineties?
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February 18, 2013 10:11pm
Fletch

Sorry, Reid. Hagel has his chance and he had nothing. Still doesn’t. Just another example of prejudicial liberal bluster, not to mention anti-Semitism. And you’re saying Hollywood is Israel-first??? Really?!

Have you heard what these liberal Hollywood types have to say whenever there’s an Arab-Israeli conflict?
They rarely stand behind Israel, if ever. They’re all for Palestine and talk about how Israel has to concede this, and Israel has to concede that.

You’re living in Bizarro-world.
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February 18, 2013 10:17pm
Griff

Do you understand the term statistically significant ?
because 90% of the increase in temperature is in the oceans.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/ocean-heat-content/assessment

Also because of the warming signal that remains when you take out natural variability
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0JZRIHFtk&feature=player_embedded
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February 18, 2013 10:25pm
Reid

And you’re saying Hollywood is Israel-first??? Really?!

I’m not a liberal Fletch, you should know that. And when was the last time you saw an Arab or a Muslim portrayed positively in a Hollyweird production?

It’s also not anti-Semitic to criticise Israel. It’s a country Fletch. It does things. Why does the fact it’s populated with Jews make it invulnerable to criticism same as we criticise Iran, Syria, Indonesia, Somalia or any other country?

Wake up. You’re living in a childish fantasy populated with good-guys and bad-guys that Hollyweird has painted for you. Start thinking.
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February 18, 2013 10:30pm
chiz

And when was the last time you saw an Arab or a Muslim portrayed positively in a Hollyweird production?

Don’t watch many movies or TV shows do you? “Syriana” and “24” both come to mind, there have been many others.
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February 18, 2013 10:39pm
UglyTruth

Griff, I know what it means in terms of sigma levels.

Your NASA/GISS data has been adjusted to show a warming trend.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/18/hansens-nasa-giss-cooling-the-past-warming-the-present/

Also, your ocean data shows suspiciously low error levels.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/an-ocean-of-overconfidence/
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February 18, 2013 10:57pm
RightNow

You keep flushing but the turd still floats around in the bowl.
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February 18, 2013 11:05pm
axeman

OMG I see gwiff, the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot, is still a lying turd. His level of argument is still the one presented by the other CAGW cultists. The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority. They still haven’t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong. And there are many who are doing it, even this year.

Here is a summary (AGAIN) of just a few of the 1100+ peer reviewed sceptical climate science papers listed at http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html?m=1 (AGAIN!)
including how/why they are in agreement as to the so-called “settled” climate science.

Lindzen and Choi in, “On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications” (Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 47, Number 4, pp. 377-390, August 2011) conclude “the models are exaggerating climate sensitivity”.

Fred Singer in, “Lack of Consistency Between Modeled and Observed Temperature Trends” (Energy & Environment, Volume 22, Number 4, pp. 375-406, June 2011) concludes that the models have failed in that their predictions do not accord with observed temperatures and also that this failure means that the theory of AGW is not supported by evidence.

Large and Yeager in, “On the Observed Trends and Changes in Global Sea Surface Temperature and Air-Sea Heat Fluxes” (1984-2006) (Journal of Climate, 2012) conclude that “natural variability, rather than long-term climate change, dominates the SST and heat flux changes over” the period from 1984-2006.

Kramm and Dlugi in, “Scrutinizing the atmospheric greenhouse effect and its climatic impact” (Natural Science, Volume 3, Number 12, pp. 971-998, December 2011) conclude that “atmospheric greenhouse effect and especially its climatic impact are based on meritless conjectures” (Particularly like the last two words).

Zhaoa in, “Is Global Warming Mainly Due to Anthropogenic Greenhouse Gas Emissions?” (Energy Sources, Volume 33, Issue 21, pp. 1985-1992, August 2011) concludes that “we find little evidence in support of the notion that recent global warming is mainly due to CO2 emissions”.

Paterson in, “Global Warming: A Critique of the Anthropogenic Model and its Consequences” (Geoscience Canada, Volume 38, Number 1, pp. 41-48, March 2011) concludes that “contrary arguments by a growing body of scientists are generally supported by better empirical data than those that favour the ‘anthropogenic warming’ hypothesis” and “the global warming models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and others have in some cases been shown to be incorrect and contrary to current temperature statistics. For these and other reasons, the CO2-driven, anthropogenic warming hypothesis is regarded by many as suspect and lacking in empirical evidence”.

Meyssignac, Salas y Melia, Becker, Llovel and Cazenave in “Tropical Pacific spatial trend patterns in observed sea level: internal variability and/or anthropogenic signature?” (Climate of the Past Discussions, Volume 8, Issue 1, pp.349-389, January 2012) conclude that “sea level trend fluctuations are dominated by the internal variability of the ocean–atmosphere coupled system” and “any influence of anthropogenic forcing is still hardly detectable”.

Huston and Dean in “Sea-Level Acceleration Based on U.S. Tide Gauges and Extensions of Previous Global-Gauge Analyses” (Journal of Coastal Research, Volume 27, Issue 4, pp. 788–790, July 2011) ran sea level measurements for acceleration (given acceleration is such an important part of the dangerous sea level forecasts (current sea level trends would only produce a rise of 150mm over 100 years) and obtained not accelerations but rather “small sea-level decelerations”.

Nils-Axel Mörner in “Sea Level Changes and Tsunamis, Environmental Stress and Migration Overseas. The Case of the Maldives and Sri Lanka” (Internationales Asienforum, Volume 38, Number 3-4, pp. 353–374, November 2007) found that, “The predominant view of a rapid rise in sea level seems no longer tenable, and no signs of any ongoing sea level rise were found in the Maldives”.

Callaghan and Power in “Variability and decline in the number of severe tropical cyclones making land-fall over eastern Australia since the late nineteenth century” (Climate Dynamics, Volume 37, Numbers 3-4, pp. 647-662, August 2011) found that, rather than increase, as the alarmists would have us believe, the number of tropical cyclones (TCs) on the east cost of Aust has very significantly decreased over the past 100 yrs, e.g. “The linear trend in the number of severe TCs making land-fall over eastern Australia declined from about 0.45 TCs/year in the early 1870s to about 0.17 TCs/year in recent times—a 62% decline. The extent to which global warming might be also be partially responsible for the decline in land-falls—if it is at all—is unknown”.
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February 18, 2013 11:09pm
axeman

(AGAIN) This year already there are more (including GEOLOGISTS, EARTH SCIENTISTS, METEOROLISTS and CLIMATE SCIENTISTS) calling bullshit on the ALARMIST hoax
From Germany and the contradictory reports of global warming are falling all over each other.
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/21/major-german-daily-front-page-headline-global-warming-keeps-us-waiting-co2-over-estimated/

Even the German people are sick of the CAGW bullshit.
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/05/barometer-for-measuring-german-public-interest-in-climate-protection-sets-record-low/

A veteran German meteorologist Dr. Wolfgang Thüne ‘s harsh criticism at alarmist science. Climate Science “A Fairy Tale That’s Rich In Fantasy…Spook Watching”
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/17/veteran-german-meteorologist-calls-climate-science-a-fairy-tale-thats-rich-in-fantasy-spook-watching/

Professor Fritz Vahrenholt http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9338939/Global-warming-second-thoughts-of-an-environmentalist.html tells us to prepare for a long phase of temperature stagnation
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/24/prof-fritz-vahrenholt-ohc-tells-us-to-prepare-for-a-long-period-of-temperature-stagnation/

The UK Met Office – prominent cheerleader for global warming alarmism – has (very quietly) completely scrapped its prediction of warming and is now predicting flat temperatures for the next decade.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2259934/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Global-warming-inconvenient-truth.html

View the old and the new charts together (lower down the page someone has created a blink gif overlay.) The difference is staggering.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/major-change-in-uk-met-office-global-warming-forecast/

The Met Office has tacitly conceded that the sceptics are correct.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100197657/the-met-office-defending-the-indefensible-as-per-usual/

Climate watch: 2012 figures confirm global warming still stalled
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/2012_temperature_figures/

The New York Times admits the global warming gig is up
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100197832/now-even-pravda-admits-the-global-warming-jig-is-up/

And back to Germany. No increasing in temperatures for 15 years
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/16/european-climate-institute-climate-in-germanys-has-been-cooling-for-15-years/

MORE SIGNS THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS JUST HOT AIR
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/373396

New estimates from a Norwegian research project shows Earth’s Global Warming less severe than feared
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-27/norway-data-shows-earth-s-global-warming-less-severe-than-feared.html

A University of Oslo professor, Ole Humlum, recently remarked an odd phenomenon and revealed the newest climate scandal. Apparently, since 2008 some research institutions have been retrospectively correcting their global temperature graphs. Usually, this would not be strange at all, as scientific information tends to be built up piece-by-piece and may have to be rectified at a later stage. It is, however, extremely strange that data from 1915 has also been touched-up. Temperature data from the beginning of the 20th century has been systematically rounded down, while later data has been rounded up respectively. Data seems to have been forced to obey the greenhouse theory, and suddenly it seems like the graphs confirm the desired hypotheses.
http://www.climate4you.com/

Award-Winning Dr. Lennart Bengtsson, formerly of UN IPCC: “We Are Creating Great Anxiety Without It Being Justified…there are no indications that the warming is so severe that we need to panic.”
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/19508/Top-Swedish-Climate-Scientist-Says-Warming-Not-Noticeable-The-warming-we-have-had-last-a-100-years-is-so-small-that-if-we-didnt-have-climatologists-to-measure-it-we-wouldnt-have-noticed-it-at-all

The game is really up for them!
http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/01/staggering-admission-by-james-annan-high-climate-sensitivity-increasingly-untenable/

With no warming now for 17 years against all modelled predictions, alarmists all of a sudden realise they predicted a pause all along!
http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/04/temperature-stagnation-suddenly-being-discovered-in-climate-models-erred-scientists-desperately-clinging/

They just keep coming……
http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/05/four-top-swedish-climate-scientists-publish-critical-letter-slamming-potsdam-institute-climate-alarmism/
One more climate alarmist retracts

2004: Warmist scientist Peter Cox says global warming will destroy Amazonian rainforests:
DR PETER COX (Hadley Centre, Met Office): … If we don’t do anything by about twenty thirty we could have a global warming of exceeding two degrees… 2040 it could be four degrees warmer, the climate change could have led to big drying particularly in the Amazon Basin, that would make the forest unsustainable, we’d expect the forest to catch fire probably, turn into savannah and maybe ultimately even desert if it gets really really dry as our model suggests.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

2013: Warmist scientist Peter Cox says global warming will help Amazonian rainforests:
The Amazon rainforest is less vulnerable to die off because of global warming than widely believed because the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide also acts as an airborne fertilizer, a study showed on Wednesday.

The boost to growth from CO2, the main gas from burning fossil fuels blamed for causing climate change, was likely to exceed damaging effects of rising temperatures this century such as drought, it said.

“I am no longer so worried about a catastrophic die-back due to CO2-induced climate change,” Professor Peter Cox of the University of Exeter in England told Reuters of the study he led in the journal Nature. “In that sense it’s good news.”…

“CO2 fertilization will beat the negative effect of climate change so that forests will continue to accumulate carbon throughout the 21st century,” Cox said of the findings with other British-based researchers.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/06/us-climate-amazon-idUSBRE91510O20130206
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February 18, 2013 11:15pm
Griff

Yesssss. More spin
The temperature record has been adjusted . 😆

According to the denial sphere it is a giant con and they adjust the record to make it look warmer .

Get a life mate.
There is half a dozen temperature records using different methods and they correlate very well .
A Watts has been claiming that the record is incorrect for years He said he would accept the result of the BEST temperature record. Surprise! surprise! it came out the same so now he claims that one is corrupt as well.
Denial means not looking at all the evidence just that which backs you view. The adjustments are published with reference to the reasoning behind them

If the record is incorrectly adjusted.

Write a paper with your adjustments and reasoning get it published so other scientists can examine your work ..science..

Publish your failed paper on a blog site along with loads of bullshit stories from the denial echo chamber. that’s called ..Whacky..

And before you start about the conspirowhacky of peer review.
A Watts paper failed because he did not account for changes in the time the readings are taken.
This effect has been known about for years and must be accounted for when compiling temperature records.
As do movements in stations and different methods of recording temperatures.
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February 18, 2013 11:25pm
Griff

Yesssss. More spin
The temperature record has been adjusted . 😆
My ocean heat graph is wrong the error bars are to small. Beeep I did not use the data set you linked to on WUWT FAIL

According to the denial sphere it is a giant con and they adjust the record to make it look warmer .

Get a life mate.
There is half a dozen temperature records using different methods and they correlate very well .
A Watts has been claiming that the record is incorrect for years He said he would accept the result of the BEST temperature record. Surprise! surprise! it came out the same so now he claims that one is corrupt as well.
Denial means not looking at all the evidence just that which backs you view. The adjustments are published with reference to the reasoning behind them

If the record is incorrectly adjusted.

Write a paper with your adjustments and reasoning get it published so other scientists can examine your work ..science..

Publish your failed paper on a blog site along with loads of bullshit stories from the denial echo chamber. that’s called ..Whacky..

And before you start about the conspirowhacky of peer review.
A Watts paper failed because he did not account for changes in the time the readings are taken.
This effect has been known about for years and must be accounted for when compiling temperature records.
As do movements in stations and different methods of recording temperatures.
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February 18, 2013 11:29pm
Griff

OMG I see gwiff, the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot, is still a lying turd. His level of argument is still the one presented by the other CAGW cultists. The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority. They still haven’t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong. And there are many who are doing it, even this year.

Lets examine axenuckles little rant

“The alarmist”
If you support the consensus of science you are called an alarmist.
Alarm would be if I posted fringe views and bleated on about tipping points.
Not telling the same story as the notoriously conservative IPCC.

“useful idiot”
try to place the main stream view of climate science as manipulated .Conspiracy thinking

other CAGW cultists
The cult is the one supported by the the scientific community governments and ngo’s worldwide.
His view is supported by a small group of very vocal dissenters in political and media forums.

“The headcount fallacy and appeal to authority”
You are perverting the logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
“either the authority is not a subject-matter expert, or there is no consensus among experts in the subject matter,”
The experts in climate science are the climate scientists.
What level of consensus do you require. over 75% 80% 97%? —97 percent—-As for published climate scientists?
Experts on science in general such as the royal academy Or the national institute?

” They still haven’t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong”
This is an appeal to authority logic fail The fact is the overwhelming number of papers that support global warming totally dominate the pitiful echos on the denial sphere.

And there are many who are doing it, even this year.
Are there ? I have not seen any over riding research that does anything to overwhelm the consensus view.
Seems that The ipcc report will have the consensus view of climate for the coming years.

😆 the dreaded IPCC whoooo bogie man.
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February 19, 2013 12:07am
axeman

So if it is peer-reviewed it must be true gwiffucknuckle? You being the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot you always claim that their science is better than anyone else’s because they have had peer-reviewed papers published.
So what about the latest peer reviewed paper (as RightNow posted earlier on) http://oss.sagepub.com/content/33/11/1477.full

It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model. The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”

The authors of the survey report, however, note that the overwhelming majority of scientists fall within four other models, each of which is skeptical of alarmist global warming claims.

The survey finds that 24 percent of the scientist respondents fit the “Nature Is Overwhelming” model. “In their diagnostic framing, they believe that changes to the climate are natural, normal cycles of the Earth.” Moreover, “they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”

Another group of scientists fit the “Fatalists” model. These scientists, comprising 17 percent of the respondents, “diagnose climate change as both human- and naturally caused. ‘Fatalists’ consider climate change to be a smaller public risk with little impact on their personal life. They are skeptical that the scientific debate is settled regarding the IPCC modeling.” These scientists are likely to ask, “How can anyone take action if research is biased?”

One interesting aspect of this new survey is the unmistakably alarmist bent of the survey takers. They frequently use terms such as “denier” to describe scientists who are skeptical of an asserted global warming crisis, and they refer to skeptical scientists as “speaking against climate science” rather than “speaking against asserted climate projections.” Accordingly, alarmists will have a hard time arguing the survey is biased or somehow connected to the ‘vast right-wing climate denial machine.’

Another interesting aspect of this new survey is that it reports on the beliefs of scientists themselves rather than bureaucrats who often publish alarmist statements without polling their member scientists. We now have meteorologists, geoscientists and engineers all reporting that they are skeptics of an ASSERTED GLOBAL WARMING CRISIS, yet the bureaucrats of these organizations frequently suck up to the media and suck up to government grant providers by trying to tell us the opposite of what their scientist members actually believe.

People who look behind the self-serving statements by global warming alarmists about an alleged “consensus” have always known that no such alarmist consensus exists among scientists. Now that we have access to hard surveys of scientists themselves, it is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.
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February 19, 2013 12:14am
bereal

Once upon a time this GD blog became to be known as the philu forum

Now it seems to have become the Griff forum.

come back philu. All is forgiven.

at least philu had a semblance of a brain.
And had the ability to discourse on more than one single subject,

Hey Griff, fuck off for a while. Do yourself a favour.

You must be the most boring drong ever to post on this blog.

Take a rest. A well earned rest
Please.
Make it a long while.

You made me break my resolution to not post after 9.30
But one can only take so much mindless drivel.

Please.
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February 19, 2013 12:20am
axeman

” They still haven’t worked out that, as Einstein said, it only takes one to prove them wrong”
This is an appeal to authority logic fail The fact is the overwhelming number of papers that support global warming totally dominate the pitiful echos on the denial sphere.

No you have the logic fail. From one of the all time greatest scientists, Albert Einstein: “It matters not how many experiments prove me right, it only takes one to prove me wrong.”
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February 19, 2013 12:21am
Griff

Yes bereal I have how many arguing with me
I react check it out go to the start of the day and see were people have summoned their own personal demon 😈
then apologize for blaming me for the climate posts when I run about a quarter of the posts.

Or is it be-real you dont like my message
so dont actually read or understand my arguments.

Axe nuckle
the engineers you refer to are working for the oil industry
You have posted James Taylor from heartland.
do go to the source of you story http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/?commentId=comment_blogAndPostId/blog/comment/1363-1219-5279 and read the comments.
the writer of the paper replies to james bullshit 😆

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/02/15/denialism-from-forbes-courtesy-of-heartland-hack-james-taylor/
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February 19, 2013 12:46am
big bruv

I cannot believe some of the crap written here about SBW. One moron even went as far as to suggest “But you would have to go on a hard days ride to find any all round athlete from New Zealand in any age you could compare with him.”

Now before the likes of Beral wet their pants it should be pointed out that there are plenty of examples of Rugby players becoming top League players, what the highly over rated (and as thick as pig shit) SBW has done is nothing special. I do hope that the SBW lovers are not suggesting that SBW is special just because he has won a few fixed boxing bouts.

As for better all round athlete’s, well Jeff Wilson springs to mind, as does the late Eric Tindall. In fact if you go back one generation it was not uncommon for our top sportspeople to play first division rugby and first class cricket in the same year.

Yes SBW might be a reasonable bullrush (league) player (not hard given the game is devoid of real skills) but he was an average rugby player at best and a piss poor boxer.
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February 19, 2013 4:46am
Manolo

Griff & Miss Dim, are you listening? http://naturalsociety.com/leading-geneticist-human-intelligence-slowly-declining/
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February 19, 2013 6:34am
UglyTruth

There is half a dozen temperature records using different methods and they correlate very well .

So, Griff, why then did you use the dataset which was least supportive of my position that there hasn’t been any statistically significant warming since the nineties, if not for bias towards the alarmist position?

As far as I’m concerned the issue is simply one of faith in the system – you have already refused to comment on the history of conspiracy re Operation Northwoods, and you smear people with words like “conspirowhacky”.
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February 19, 2013 7:47am
UglyTruth

@hinamanu

Re Glen Beck on Benghazi, Turkey is central to the larger issue of US sponsorship of terrorist organizations. James Corbett’s recent interviews of Sibel Edmonds provide a lot of context on this. Also the early gospel of Barnabus held at Ankara is important in terms of the religious aspect of terrorism.
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February 19, 2013 9:04am
F E Smith

Another day, another example of leftys trying to re-write history. Now, apparently, via these Aussie socialists we find out that the Soviet Union and Mao’s China were in fact capitalist entities, therefore they don’t count as an example of socialism in action…

The authoritarian states like the USSR/Russia and China were not socialist but a form of state capitalism where workers had no control over society and were denied even basic rights.

It becomes more and more clear that the leftys engage in doublethink as an integral part of their daily lives.

H/T Andrew Bolt for the link.
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