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January 9, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Ryan Sproull

There has never been runaway warming before, even with all this ‘positive feedbacks’ observed. Because nature always ends up providing far greater negative feedbacks than the positive forcings can provide.

I think the important thing to remember is that nature does not give a shit about humans.
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January 9, 2013 2:43pm
Griff

“runaway warming”
Who said that sonny? having flights of fancy like kea are we
if our present 1 degree or so causes aussie to burn or the crop in the Midwest to fail what will 4+ degrees do
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January 9, 2013 2:45pm
Kea

No back peddling from me Griffy. It has long been my position, regardless of the charactertures you may have drawn of my views.

Bush fires are a seasonal part of the Australian eco system Griff.

So relax, take a deep ~~toke~~ breath and stop all that worry. Every thing will be ok. The world is not ending any time soon.
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January 9, 2013 2:46pm
Sonny Blount

Griff (3,804) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
“runaway warming”
Who said that sonny? having flights of fancy like kea are we
if our present 1 degree or so causes aussie to burn or the crop in the Midwest to fail what will 4+ degrees do

Ask a paleantologist Griff.

It was 4 degrees warmer in the Eemian. Virtually every species on earth today evolved and prospered in those conditions.

As for humans. Very few of us live where we did 50 years ago or even in buildings 50 years old. I suspect not many of us will in another 50 years wither.
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January 9, 2013 2:54pm
Griff

your position alternates between conspiwhacky nutjob rubbish and outright denial of the known consequence
So no, you are misrepresenting your position because of your lack of cognitive argument to back your denial of science

Record temperature so high that they need to rewrite the graphs to accommodate them are not normal that you focus on wild fires else shows your lack of ability to face the reality

As to your repeated statement: the world not end soon: again you distract with made up dribble to minimize your lack of argument
gaia theory says so what the earth continues,

Our civilization will be severely stressed perhaps to breaking point in the next fifty years
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January 9, 2013 3:02pm
RightNow

I don’t see anything unusual about bush fires in Australia. They’ve been happening for millions of years
http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/fire-and-other-emergencies/major-bushfires-in-victoria

Time for change of panties griff.
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January 9, 2013 3:05pm
Griff

Yes sonny back when the dinosaur ruled the earth the antarctic was a tropical swamp and middle latitudes where uninhabitable desert with no life.Where will we put everyone ?
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January 9, 2013 3:06pm
RightNow

“Record temperature so high that they need to rewrite the graphs to accommodate them”

Show me a graph from 1889 and we can play spot the difference 🙂 🙂 🙂
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January 9, 2013 3:07pm
Sonny Blount

Our civilization will be severely stressed perhaps to breaking point in the next fifty years

why?
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January 9, 2013 3:07pm
Kea

Griff said: “that you focus on wild fires else shows your lack of ability to face the reality”

Griff said: “if our present 1 degree or so causes aussie to burn ”

Therefore: Griff is stonned and forgetting his own bs.

Griff, you have been told. Your faith chants the following mantra “Weather is NOT climate”. But I will play along 🙂

19 hours ago…Cold wave continues to throw life out of gear in North India with the minimum temperature dipping below to freezing point at some places in northern India like in Narnaul (Haryana) where the mercury plunging three degrees below freezing point….However, death toll due to severe cold in the state has reached 170 as 15 more people lost their lives during past 24 hours.

Owing to the unrelenting cold weather, the government has ordered closure of all schools till Jan 12, after which a call would be taken again, Basudev Yadav, director (Primary Education) said.

Rescue helicopters evacuated dozens of people from snow-blocked villages in Serbia and Bosnia and airlifted in emergency food and medicine as a severe cold spell kept eastern Europe in an icy grip.

The death toll from the cold snap rose to 79 across the region, with emergency crews working overtime as temperatures sank to -32.5C (-26.5F) in some areas.

Parts of the Black Sea froze near the Romanian coastline and rare snow fell on Croatian islands in the Adriatic Sea
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January 9, 2013 3:14pm
Griff

Yes
right now
aussie has bush fires
aussie has more bush fires when its hot
Its very hot at the moment right across aussie
hotter than has ever been recorded before across the entire continent
Hence more catastrophic bush fires
hence evidence for as you nutbars so like to say “catastrophic global warming”

can you follow that logic or is there mental block in your head that protects you from reality
I go with the mental block a symptom that I like to refer to as nutjob cognitive dissonance
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January 9, 2013 3:16pm
Kea

Yes sonny back when the dinosaur ruled the earth the antarctic was a tropical swamp and middle latitudes where uninhabitable desert with no life.Where will we put everyone ?

So what caused that massive change of climate Griff ? (You can not blame man for that, he did not exist back then.)

So what caused all these climatic changes you keep referring to ?
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January 9, 2013 3:17pm
Kea

catastrophic bush fires

No Griff, normal and vital bush fires for the Australian eco system. If there were no fires, that system would collapse.

Nature does not care if you build your house in the bush. The world does not exist for mans benefit . That is religion, not science.

Are you a relgious man Griff ?
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January 9, 2013 3:20pm
Griff

still can nit get out of that loop can we kea making axenuckle weather reports
coldest temperature since 1969 vrs hottest temperature since science has been around to measure
not much difference 😆

Climate change
global temperatures rise
causes distortions in normal weather patterns
some areas will cool ie the north western states have cooled the rest of the usa has warmed
The globe on average is warming
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January 9, 2013 3:25pm
Sonny Blount

Griff (3,808) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Yes sonny back when the dinosaur ruled the earth the antarctic was a tropical swamp and middle latitudes where uninhabitable desert with no life.Where will we put everyone ?

There were no dinosaurs in the Eemian Griff.

There were humans and spotted owls and fur seals and puppies. But no polar bears, they are a young untried species that evolved recently in Ireland and the Mediterranean.
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January 9, 2013 3:29pm
Sonny Blount

hottest temperature since science has been around

You keep repeating this lie.

The instrumental record is a tiny fraction of the temperature record. There is not a single instrumental average that is among the hottest or coldest in the temperature record.
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January 9, 2013 3:36pm
RightNow

“hotter than has ever been recorded before across the entire continent” – you keep saying that griff, but I’m waiting for your evidence that it’s hotter than 1889.

“Hence more catastrophic bush fires” – are you suggesting the bush fires in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were made up? Have you counted them BTW, you know it would be the scientific thing to do before you claim there are more now than then. I think you’re making it up, but you could present some data to prove me wrong. Data includes empirical observations, not models, since you’re confused on the issue.
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January 9, 2013 3:46pm
Griff

Yes great sonny caught me out what :blush:

The period when early man migrated out of Africa
Before the genetic ancestors of western man evolved well before we invented such little things as farming and villages.
Hunter gatherer nomads with the ability to migrate across continents unhindered by such obstacles as city’s and national boarders. Trekking across a primeval landscape devoid of mans significant and all encompassing modification. Migrating within their changing environment as game and plant life changed around them. Changes happening in a time span of thousands of years

Not the century or so we are faced with and without the infrastructure we need to survive
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January 9, 2013 3:52pm
Griff

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2323
It’s been a summer like no other in the history of Australia, where a sprawling heat wave of historical proportions is entering its second week. Monday, January 7, was the hottest day in Australian history, averaged over the entire country, according to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology. The high temperature averaged over Australia was 105°F (40.3°C), eclipsing the previous record of 104°F (40.2°C) set on 21 December 1972. Never before in 103 years of record keeping has a heat wave this intense, wide-spread, and long-lasting affected Australia. The nation’s average high temperature exceeded 102°F (39°C) for five consecutive days January 2 – 6, 2013–the first time that has happened since record keeping began in 1910. Monday’s temperatures extended that string by another day, to six. To put this remarkable streak in perspective, the previous record of four consecutive days with a national average high temperature in excess of 102°F (39°C) has occurred once only (1973), and only two other years have had three such days in a row–1972 and 2002 (thanks go to climate blogger Greg Laden for these stats.) Another brutally hot day is in store for Wednesday, as the high pressure region responsible for the heat wave, centered just south of the coast, will bring clear skies and a northerly flow of air over most of the country
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January 9, 2013 3:59pm
RightNow

“The bushfires of January 13 1939, known as the ‘Black Friday’ fires, were the result of a long drought and a severe, hot, dry summer.”
http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/fire-and-other-emergencies/major-bushfires-in-victoria/black-friday-1939-summary

1) There is nothing unprecedented about the current bush fires
2) The current record average of 40.3 is only just greater than the 1972 average of 40.2? HA! What’s the margin of error?
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January 9, 2013 4:07pm
Azeraph

I thought that it has now changed to extreme weather events? I spoke with the author of “Deep Water” and he suggests that the safest way to lower temps in regions is metal particulate seeding in the high atmosphere. This seeding has never been tried yet as far as i know and no one knows whether it’s effects will be beneficial or not. I’m of the opinion that we had gone past the tip of the spear 20 years ago and what will come is just damage control.

What if we are heading back into another microbial stage?

Stats are useless in this argument as this has to do with a system that is transient.
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January 9, 2013 4:10pm
Longknives

Back to the important stuff (The Cricket) –

“When Hadlee, Howarth, Wright, Edgar, Crowe (M & J), Chatfield, Cairns, Smith and Bracewell took the field they were more than highly competitive, and with neutral umpires and modern technology, would have been, for a time anyway, the very best.”

Sorry mate. That was the greatest NZ team ever but not even in their wildest dreams were they as good as the mighty West Indian team of the early-mid 80s-
Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Richards (THE Master Blaster), Lloyd, Dujon, Marshall,Garner,Holding, Walsh etc etc
Now that was a team….
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January 9, 2013 4:10pm
Azeraph

Or paint our roofs white.
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January 9, 2013 4:13pm
Longknives

I remember for a brief period a few years ago the NZ media took to calling Brendon McCullum “The Master Blaster”.
As a huge fan of the legendary Sir IVA Richards even just thinking about this fills me with homicidal rage….
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January 9, 2013 4:14pm
Sonny Blount

Griff (3,810) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Yes great sonny caught me out what :blush:

The period when early man migrated out of Africa
Before the genetic ancestors of western man evolved well before we invented such little things as farming and villages.
Hunter gatherer nomads with the ability to migrate across continents unhindered by such obstacles as city’s and national boarders. Trekking across a primeval landscape devoid of mans significant and all encompassing modification. Migrating within their changing environment as game and plant life changed around them. Changes happening in a time span of thousands of years

Not the century or so we are faced with and without the infrastructure we need to survive

What are you talking about?

Are aliens going to come and remove all our infrastucture? Even then we could rebuild it.

I can build a new house in 6 weeks.

What do you think is going to happen to our infrastructure?
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January 9, 2013 4:21pm
Sonny Blount

And unsurprisingly, we realise that corals have been through all this before:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/8158820/Coral-capable-of-coping-with-climate-change
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January 9, 2013 4:26pm
Paulus

Australia has lived by Fire for a few million years, so prove otherwise.

Blimey, it has only had its bicentenary recently – ask the Aborigines about their understanding of fire history.
It goes with the place.

What has to asked is why in Tasmanian law says that people cannot clear the local forestation around their properties, because it disturbes the ecosystem.

Guess who – the Greeny politicians in that state.
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January 9, 2013 4:27pm
Azeraph

Has anyone ever dived in a algae bloom? I couldn’t see beyond 500 cm in front of me, it’s what they call zero vis except i was one meter down, 1 o’clock in the afternoon on a lovely hot summers day. At 30 i didn’t bother carrying on and came back up.
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January 9, 2013 4:32pm
mikenmild

I’m just wondering which XI was the best that NZ actually fielded in that era.
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January 9, 2013 4:34pm
Longknives

Stand by Mikenmild- Am ploughing through Cricinfo as we speak…..
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January 9, 2013 4:38pm
Longknives

I’m going to throw this team into the mix first up-

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/engine/match/63415.html
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January 9, 2013 4:43pm
Griff

Are aliens going to come and remove all our infrastructure?

shit and they say I am drug fucked

Ever thought what you would do with say pine forests if it was to warm for them. I suppose you could dig them up and move them. Then their is the nice little man made things like city’s and highways
Google something interesting say the impact of global warming on sea level.
Then consider how well the yanks got on in new york last month with submarine ways. 😆 Turned out to be not a good idea to have a city built close to the water level cause it happens to be rising.
Then consider for instance how much of our civilization is less than say 2m above sea level where are we going to and put the people displace? how are we going to protect infrastructure from rising sea levels or the cost to rebuild else where
how our we going to grow food when vast areas of formally productive land is no longer able to support agriculture?
Yes other areas will open up for agriculture In the Canada and Siberia great for them not so great if you expect the usa grain belt or most of Africa to be able to sustain the masses in the country’s that rely on them for food.
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January 9, 2013 4:47pm
mikenmild

Yes, Longknives but Vaughan Brown?
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January 9, 2013 4:50pm
mikenmild

How about the team that won that 1985 decider in Perth:
JG Wright
BA Edgar
JF Reid
MD Crowe
JV Coney
JJ Crowe
RJ Hadlee
IDS Smith
JG Bracewell
BL Cairns
EJ Chatfield
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January 9, 2013 4:53pm
Longknives

Vaughan Brown was an outstanding spin bowler! His Test bowling average of 176 doesn’t do him justice…
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January 9, 2013 4:56pm
Longknives

Well done- Hard to top that line-up (Apart from ‘Chopper’ Crowe of course…)
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January 9, 2013 4:57pm
Kea

how our we going to grow food when vast areas of formally productive land is no longer able to support agriculture?

Fishing.

Should be plenty of fish feeding over that newly created sea bed. 🙂
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January 9, 2013 5:01pm
MT_Tinman

Longknives (2,043) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Vaughan Brown was an outstanding spin bowler! His Test bowling average of 176 doesn’t do him justice…

Beautiful to watch left hand batsman but a fairly average offspinner.
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January 9, 2013 5:12pm
Manolo

Our civilization will be severely stressed perhaps to breaking point in the next fifty years

But not as much as your brain due to excessive pot smoking. Once a Greenie, always a Luddite.
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January 9, 2013 5:20pm
Griff

How so manululu

Does that mean that when I built my own hybrid wind solo generation plant I used chicken entrails to divine the amperage and usage to work out the correct capacity of both my storage and generation networks

Or is it that you can not cope with things and ideas outside of your limited world view.

A Luddite implies that I do not embrace modern technology
green implies in modern kb parlance that I vote for the so called “green party”

Nether of these accusations are true or based on reality

I like trying to change the stupidity quotient of kb around climate change because unfortunate it is happening. the other mainstream blog on the right is verging on conservonuttery on this and other subjects.

I have no hope for or indeed do I support the efforts of the political sphere to mitigate the future effects as they both penalize the modern world and destroy the first worlds economy.

We must plan for a future not very far off were the world will be a vastly less hospitable place for our civilization. Pretending that this is not going to happen will not help us Allowing the left to dominate the climate debate due to propaganda from the carbon industry’s flooding the right is not going to help our future.

If I was a causal visitor to political blogs and was aware of climate change it would put me of voting for the right due to uncontested climate denial rubbish being repeatedly posted as happens if it is not challenged
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January 9, 2013 5:46pm
Colville

Best way to prepare for the future is to have shit loads of dosh and a gun or five 🙂
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January 9, 2013 5:58pm
wat dabney

16 years with no warming, and now some idiots are trying to blame this non-warming for a hot spell in parts of Australia.

Brilliant.

“The world record for the longest sequence of days above 100°Fahrenheit (or 37.8° on the Celsius scale) is held by Marble Bar in the inland Pilbara district of Western Australia. The temperature, measured under standard exposure conditions, reached or exceeded the century mark every day from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, a total of 160 days.”

http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/temp1.htm

Er?
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January 9, 2013 6:00pm
Colville

Longknives…didnt that great WI team lose to Wellington? I as a kid watched a game at the Hutt Rec .. a 3 or 4 dayer?
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January 9, 2013 6:05pm
Longknives

True Colville. The Evan Gray captained early 80s Wellington were probably better than the West Indies…
(No sports team from outside New Zealand can ever be any good…I am foolish for suggesting otherwise)
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January 9, 2013 6:11pm
Kea

We must plan for a future not very far off were the world will be a vastly less hospitable place for our civilization.

Like the worlds deserts and frozen waste lands, where people have lived for centuries ? You need to get some different weed Griff, that stuff is giving you a downer.

Have you ever thought you may be wrong about AGW ? I know you focus on the “science” but there is a lot to suggest there is more than science at play here. You should focus on the human factors as your “climate scientists” are human too. Your assumption seems to be that scientists rise above politics and personal gain. That is the ideal, but scientists have often fallen well short of that ideal.
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January 9, 2013 6:12pm
Longknives

Speaking of sports- Did ESPN really need to apologise for this??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8159086/ESPN-apology-over-sexist-comments

I have watched that clip several times and am yet to find any ‘sexist’ comments..
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January 9, 2013 6:13pm
Colville

Longknives, I have watched I think 2 games of cricket in my life. One when I was maybe 14 and the other last year I think as a guest of the bwank. I enjoyed the first for reasons that wont be mentioned here and the second coz there was free beer, good people to talk shit with and a bus home 🙂
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January 9, 2013 6:18pm
bhudson

How about the team that won that 1985 decider in Perth:
JG Wright
BA Edgar
JF Reid
MD Crowe
JV Coney
JJ Crowe
RJ Hadlee
IDS Smith
JG Bracewell
BL Cairns
EJ Chatfield

@mikey,

Now there’s another thing we can agree on!!
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January 9, 2013 6:21pm
wat dabney

Lots of low temperature records being broken in the US right now:

http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/7day/us.html?c=mintemp,snow

By definition, these have just as much relevence as any transient higher temperatures in Australia.

It is blatent cherry-picking to post about one but not the other. Now, why would anyone cherry-pick?
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January 9, 2013 6:23pm
wat dabney

“For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations…The US alone spends $7 billion each year on warming “studies”, which is, in truth, nothing but a huge money laundering operation, as no real science is conducted and vapid alarmist reports the only product generated.”

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-2013/123380-global_warming-0/

What a strange world we live in when Pravda is more honest than the Western state media such as the BBC.
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January 9, 2013 6:28pm
Kea

wat, I am thinking of all those who froze to death in India today.

Hard to believe that some folk want to tax the Indians, so they can make it colder. (they call it “climate science”)
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January 9, 2013 6:30pm
wat dabney

Kea, for you…

“Biting cold brings spectre of Global Warming closer”

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-01-08/news/36216487_1_climate-change-cold-waves-extreme-weather

You couldn’t make it up could you.
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January 9, 2013 6:37pm
wat dabney

Speaking of corrupted state broadcasters, even the global-warming cheerleaders at the BBC are being forced to admit some uncomfortable truths:

“The new [Met Office] projection, if correct, would mean there will have been little additional warming for two decades despite rising greenhouse gases.

It’s bound to raise questions about the robustness and reliability of computer simulations that governments around the world are using in order to determine policies aimed at combating global warming.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2013/01/met-office-scale-back-global-w.shtml
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January 9, 2013 6:38pm
Kea

You couldn’t make it up could you.

They did “make it up”.

Here are some more things blamed on AGW. Just click any link.

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
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January 9, 2013 6:41pm
Pauleastbay

Throw in Bevan Congdon into the 85 team ahead of Crowe J, sound batsman valued his wicket and he could bowl
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January 9, 2013 6:42pm
Griff

oh look wat wat is still trying the same piece of un linked and un referenced bullshit
nutter to the last
Thinks that made up stories in the daily mail should be the source of science for all

Come on wat wat would you like a hand to research your piece of spin?
you know were it comes from and how true it is
I will give you a glue David Rose the receiver of the golden horse shoe for last year
for his artificial on the mail were he made up a report that does not exist then fabricated a story around cherry picked data
of course sixteen years is not quite true then again nether is no warming.
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January 9, 2013 6:47pm
Griff

yes wat wat why cherry pick indeed
rather than posting local weather extremes why not post how the climate is in the usa
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
2012 marked the warmest year on record for the contiguous United States with the year consisting of a record warm spring, second warmest summer, fourth warmest winter and a warmer-than-average autumn. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.
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January 9, 2013 6:56pm
Kea

David Rose the receiver of the golden horse shoe for last year
for his artificial on the mail

Funny, you said nothing when mikenmild referenced Jared Diamond.

Griff, stop the lies., admit your wrong and go over to the Bain thread.
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January 9, 2013 6:57pm
SPC

No Moslems involved in this story of aborted females, dead infants, and kidnapped women trafficked to be raped by men in areas where there is a shortage of women.

The Delhi rape story just the tip of a very ugly story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20938125
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January 9, 2013 7:04pm
Kea

Climate Madness

Brothel owners in Bulgaria are blaming global warming for staff shortages.

They claim their best girls are working in ski resorts because a lack of snow has forced tourists to seek other pleasures.

Al Qaeda and Taliban Being Helped By Global Warming

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/10/abc-al-qaeda-taliban-being-helped-global-warming#ixzz2HSIuoRa9

Melting ice could cause gravity shift
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/melting-ice-could-cause-gravity-shift-1685201.html

the sun now appears to set many kilometres off its usual point on the horizon, and the stars are no longer where they should be. [sic] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/new-documentary-recounts-bizarre-climate-changes-seen-by-inuit-elders/article1215305/

And climate liars call us sane folk nutters.
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January 9, 2013 7:06pm
SPC

kea, wat – climate change is a consequence of global warming – such as a warmer Arctic resulting in some weather patters (its cold weather moving south into Europe, Eurasia and Asia and Canada/Northern USA). This combined with general warming means more extreme conditions.
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January 9, 2013 7:10pm
Griff

Please point to one lie I have made today kea share the lie with us all

You are the one that is trying to paint the entire scientific establishment as corrupt or deceived along with most of the governments including ours
You dismiss the possible consequences of the experiment we are undertaking on the atmosphere of this planet with out truly evaluating the known impacts of this experiment
Refusing to except the scientific consensus around global warming and its long term impact on this planet with no reason except you own blind faith in known rubbish blogsites
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January 9, 2013 7:16pm
Kea

SPC, I get that. You should tell Griff, who keeps banging on about it being warm in Aussie for a few days.

Personally, I believe in climate change and have said so clearly any number of times.

Griff, please explain this “experiment we are undertaking on the atmosphere” because I have not heard of it.

(Only scientific references to the experiment, with all the usual details and controls, thanks 🙂 )
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January 9, 2013 7:33pm
UglyTruth

“Refusing to except[sic] the scientific consensus around global warming and its long term impact.”

There isn’t any scientific consensus on global warming and its long term impact.
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January 9, 2013 7:39pm
Kea

UglyTruth, have you heard of this “experiment we are undertaking on the atmosphere” ?
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January 9, 2013 7:42pm
big bruv

Longknives

I hate to be the one to correct you but I think you will find that Evan Gray did not captain the Wellington team of the early 80’s (perhaps apart from the odd game). That role was first filled by Robert Vance and then Ervin McSweeney.

Come to think of it, while others have correctly said that while the team of the 80’s (even allowing for rose tinted glasses) still lost a lot of games they were at least competitive it has got me thinking of that golden era in NZ cricket.
How many players from that era who never played for NZ, or at best played just a few games would walk into the current NZ team.

I can think of players like Ross Ormiston, Robert Vance, Ian Rutherford, Evan Gray, Ervin McSweeney, Gary Robertson, Derek Stirling and the late ADG Roberts who would be automatic selections had they played in this era.
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January 9, 2013 7:47pm
Griff

a few spurt reality slip flight of fantasy days
Do you ever try reality
what do you smoke to be so divorced from the world around you

For September to December, the average Australian maximum temperature was the highest on record with a national anomaly of +1.61 °C, slightly ahead of the previous record of 1.60 °C set in 2002. The start of the current heat wave event traces back to late December 2012, and all states and territories have seen unusually hot temperatures with many site records approached or exceeded across southern and central Australia.
Large parts of central and southern Australia are currently under the influence of a persistent and widespread heat wave event, leading to a number of new temperature maximums. The Bureau of Meteorology expects further significant records to be set. The heat wave, which is pushing the limits of previous temperature extremes, has required an adjustment of the scale used to represent forecast temperatures with new colours representing 50-52°C and 52-54°C.
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January 9, 2013 7:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wow what a day it has been. I arrived here at 5.30pm after work and what a load of bollocks on General Debate.
When is the Govt going to force people to take their medication?
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January 9, 2013 7:48pm
Kea

The heat wave, which is pushing the limits of previous temperature extremes, has required an adjustment of the scale used to represent forecast temperatures with new colours representing 50-52°C and 52-54°C.

Griff, so the Bureau of Meteorology did not know enough to set up their “computer models” to accurately record data ?

Typical of ~~weather men~~ climate scientists. Maybe I should just post them a thermometer.
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January 9, 2013 7:54pm
F E Smith

I can think of players like Ross Ormiston, Robert Vance, Ian Rutherford, Evan Gray, Ervin McSweeney, Gary Robertson, Derek Stirling and the late ADG Roberts who would be automatic selections had they played in this era.

Pausing a moment to adjust the red-and-black eyepatch, I wouldn’t be a Cantabury boy if I didn’t bring up Paul McEwan…
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January 9, 2013 7:56pm
F E Smith

Or even a Canterbury boy…

Where has that edit function gone?
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January 9, 2013 7:57pm
Steve (North Shore)

It is hot, it is summer, what did you morons expect? Off on a tangent about AGW and the change of climate.
Sad sad bitching about who is correct and who is not. How about you all get back to WORK!!!!
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January 9, 2013 7:58pm
Kea

Steve, head on over to the Bain thread and say Hi to your kin 🙂
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January 9, 2013 7:59pm
UglyTruth

Kea,

It’s pretty vague. It could possibly refer to geoengineering, but given the context I’d say it’s referring to activity which produces CO2.
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January 9, 2013 7:59pm
Griff

yes ugly would you like to list the dissenting scientific organizations
how about the national scientific bodies

the royal society uk

The Society has worked on the issue of climate change for many years to further the understanding of this issue. These activities have been informed by decades of publicly available, peer-reviewed studies by thousands of scientists across a wide range of disciplines. Climate science, like any other scientific discipline, develops through vigorous debates between experts, but there is an overwhelming consensus regarding its fundamentals. Climate science has a firm basis in physics and is supported by a wealth of evidence from real world observations

The National Academy of Sciences

These reports show that the state of climate change science is strong,” said Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences. The study emphasizes that our current understanding of human-induced climate change is supported by many independent lines of evidence that have weathered intense debate and serious exploration of alternative explanations.

The study underscores that, more than ever, we have credible and convincing evidence that human activities are driving our changing climate. “Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for – and in many cases is already affecting – a broad range of human and natural systems,” the report says. Further delay in addressing these risks will only make climate change impacts more severe and the costs of action more expensive.

The urgency is reflected by impacts beginning to happen in our own backyards – more heat waves across the Midwest; wildfires in California and other western states; sea-level rise encroaching on the eastern seaboard. Effective national strategies to limit the causes and adapt to certain unavoidable changes to our climate are urgent. Scientific uncertainty is no longer an excuse to delay action. The case for action is clear and we must find the political will to reduce our nation’s greenhouse emissions and adapt to unavoidable changes already in motion.
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January 9, 2013 7:59pm
nasska

Out shopping in Porirua today, a man’s toddler son started having a tantrum and threw his red toy car out of his push chair.

By the time the father picked it up, it was repainted blue and the VIN had been doctored.
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January 9, 2013 8:00pm
Kea

It is hot, it is summer

You nutty denialist. Climate scientists have proven (to Griff) that the Sun has no effect on the Earths climate or temperature.

You are clearly a shill for BIG OIL.
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January 9, 2013 8:01pm
Judith

Steve (North Shore) (3,362) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Wow what a day it has been. I arrived here at 5.30pm after work and what a load of bollocks on General Debate.
When is the Govt going to force people to take their medication?

__________________________________________

They came up with a wonderful scheme, they’re hoping if they charge more for prescriptions, more people will take them!
Such are the thoughts of an everyday politician!
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January 9, 2013 8:03pm
big bruv

F E Smith.

I did think of him but to be honest the way he was well and truly worked over by Lillee and Pascoe in 81 I am not sure he would be that much better than the guys we have playing now.
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January 9, 2013 8:05pm
Kea

Hay Griff !!!!

What about the “experiment” you referred to ?

It must be “secret knowledge” because there is no reference to it on Google. Do you think the Illuminati and Bilderburg Group are involved ? Is it to do with HAARP and Chemtrails Griff?

We would all appreciate ~~a toke on your joint~~ any details you have about the “experiment”.
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January 9, 2013 8:07pm
Viking2

Well its like this.

All day ranting about the temperature in aussie, the fires it causes and all that.
There is a reason why Abo’s are the colour they are. Yep bushfires.
That’s what happens to meat on a barbie. Goes from pink to black. So abo’s are essentially ex englishmen that have stayed in the dessert far to long for their own good.

Enjoy your barbie tea.
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January 9, 2013 8:09pm
Manolo

Griff is Ure with spelling on steroids (pun intended).
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January 9, 2013 8:12pm
F E Smith

bruv,

Accepted, but look at the way Ken Rutherford got treated by the Windies early on, yet moved on to eventually captain (although a test average of 27 isn’t that great).
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January 9, 2013 8:13pm
Steve (North Shore)

Thanks Kea.
“Steve, head on over to the Bain thread and say Hi to your kin ”
Are you related to them, or do you think I am?
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January 9, 2013 8:17pm
UglyTruth

“yes ugly would you like to list the dissenting scientific organizations”

Consensus isn’t about which organization you belong to, it is about general agreement. The fact that the official position of the Royal Society and the NAS tends to support AGW is not consensus.

Recarding the 2009 “consensus”, “98% all scientists” referred to 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/about-that-overwhelming-98-number-of-scientists-consensus/
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January 9, 2013 8:18pm
big bruv

F E

I agree, it remains a cricketing crime that the NZ selectors of that time (who were otherwise great) picked an 18 year old Ken Rutherford to replace the retired Bruce Edgar for that tour. In hindsight they would have been better to select his elder brother or a far more senior player who may also have failed but at least it would not have stuffed up their entire career.
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January 9, 2013 8:19pm
Steve (North Shore)

Manolo,
“Griff is Ure with spelling on steroids (pun intended).”
I always thought the magpie was two fucked up people
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January 9, 2013 8:19pm
Pauleastbay

Can anyone nominate any other test cricketer that would have been as financially successful as Terry Jarvis

and Together with Glenn Turner, Jarvis holds the opening partnership record in Tests for New Zealand against all nations with 387 runs scored against the West Indies in Georgetown, Guyana during the 1971-1972 season.

just one of them would do at the moment!!!! we can go an entire test match and not score 387 but anyway I’ve heard Mike from Otago’s got a plan so I’ll relax
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January 9, 2013 8:19pm
Kea

Are you related to them, or do you think I am?

Steve, just suggesting it as a break from AGW and Cricket 🙂
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January 9, 2013 8:21pm
Griff

kea another squawk

Your alogical debating style reflect you inability to access meaningful evidence for your argument.

In the colloquial: You talk shit cause that’s all you have.

😆
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January 9, 2013 8:21pm
Pauleastbay

as a break from AGW and Cricket

Kea
the thing about the cricket is that everything said about cricket on here makes sense and is proveable which is the exact opposite of the Bain threads
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January 9, 2013 8:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

A break from AGW and Cricket would mean Tennis or Sex.
Tennis is ok coz the sex thing would go all gay and bring out another set of dysfuctional wankers
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January 9, 2013 8:28pm
Kea

Griff, that is very unpleasant. I was just asking for some detail about “THE EXPERIMENT !!!” you claimed is being conducted on our climate and that is responsible for global warming.

Just a link to a scientific paper outlining the experiment will do. I am not asking much 🙂
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January 9, 2013 8:28pm
Kea

Griff…. have “they” done any “experiments” on you ?
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January 9, 2013 8:30pm
Griff

Look up the word alogical
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January 9, 2013 8:34pm
Left Right and Centre

Geez… the whole Griff vs Kea thing was fun. That was awesome.

The thing with this climate change shit is that whatever your thoughts are…. no-one… including the most qualified in this world… knows with any *certainty* what’s going on. Or what will actually happen.

And if the climate changes… well it’s changed before big time. Big time…..

So… is it changing heaps with man’s help in a way that will kill us off faster? Or is it just ticking along one way or another as it always has?

Whatever is actually taking place… no-one actually know which one eh? Can everyone agree on that? You don’t know. No…. you don’t know. Ah! You don’t know. You’re guessing.

Even if I’m presented with 1000 boxes and told there’s a gold bar in one of them… I’m fairly certain that any one box won’t contain the gold bar… but I still don’t know with *100% certainty*.

Just keep that in mind when you get a bit too cocksure in these pissing contests.
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January 9, 2013 8:36pm
Kea

Griff (3,820) Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

You dismiss the possible consequences of the experiment we are undertaking on the atmosphere of this planet
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January 9, 2013 8:37pm
Viking2

Hot yep.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/australia-weather-heats-colors-added-weather-map-195717230.html
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January 9, 2013 8:52pm
Griff

Left Right and Centre
You are saying that the following scientific bodies have no idea about science

The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that “most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities”:

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
British Antarctic Survey
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Environmental Protection Agency
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
Federation of American Scientists
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Royal Meteorological Society
Royal Society of the UK
Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academie des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
Russian Academy of Sciences
Academy of Science of South Africa
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (USA) (12 Mar 2009 news release)
The consensus is also endorsed by a Joint statement by the Network of African Science Academies (NASAC), including the following bodies:
African Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Madagascar’s National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Academy of Science of South Africa
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Other Academies of Sciences that endorse the consensus:
Australian Academy of Science
Royal Society of New Zealand
Polish Academy of Sciences
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January 9, 2013 8:54pm
Kea

Here is one of Griff’s sources
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