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January 27, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Kea

Funny that the Griff creature imagines he has some remnant of credibility left. He has shown himself to be a person who will simply block out (rip) any dissenting view that challenges his own ideas. One can imagine what happens if he comes upon material offering a different view on AGW.

I flattered by his daily references to me and amused by his pitiful pleading for others not to engage in debate with me. Its a little obsessive, but you get that with pot heads.
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January 27, 2013 4:00pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5ccfn691wv0vcl/statue.jpg
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January 27, 2013 5:37pm
mikenmild

Kea talks about examining an ideology, but tends to list random dictators and say that as they identified themselves as socialists, so everything connected with socialism is tainted with blood. Well, we could play that game with any ideology.
The important thing to do is discuss ideas. If I say that the good things about our health and education system come from the socialised model used here, one way of NOT engaging with that proposition is to imply that socialised medicine or teaching is bad because some regimes that claimed to be socialists committed horrific crimes.
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January 27, 2013 5:44pm
krazykiwi

From the Telegraph –

Democracy is on the brink of a sea change

Obama looked to the discredited past; Cameron to an impossible future
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There were some quite surreal moments when Mr Obama seemed to be channelling Gordon Brown at his most self-congratulatory. Specifically rejecting the notion that America “must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future” (that is, we can afford to support both the old and the young), he said: “For we… understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.”

Ah, yes – remember that refrain: we will govern for the many, not the few? Which turned out to be a euphemism for high tax, high-spend economics, galloping entitlements and an epidemic of welfare dependency? Warning to America: it didn’t work out.
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The core message was pounded home relentlessly: American government is now in the redistribution and welfare-provision business, and this is not (contrary to appearances) at variance with the founding fathers’ conception of a nation that is inherently opposed to state interference and domination over the individual.

This is the new credo of American nationhood: the government, not the community or the household, will be the moral arbiter of social virtue. The traditional suspicion of the overweening power of the state is now a thing of the past.

Democracy is about electing a government that will be there to protect you from hardship, shelter you from the storm and absolve you from sin. Well, no, maybe not that last one – but the concept of the state as moral saviour is not so remote from this, is it?

Barry’s relentless drive to wreck the lives of millions continues ….
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January 27, 2013 5:47pm
mikenmild

nasska
I wonder who was the latest US president to get a statute.
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January 27, 2013 5:47pm
mikenmild

Now that I’m googling, it’s pretty hard to find a US president who doesn’t have a statue somewhere. I thought this one was particularly good, especially the other claim to fame of Hamilton, Ohio:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/24600
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January 27, 2013 5:54pm
nasska

The practice seems to have gone out of fashion ‘mikenmild’. The reverence we have for our former leaders has turned to custard too.

I’ve got a dozen eggs put aside just in case Dear Leader ever graces Parliament grounds in bronze. 🙂
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January 27, 2013 5:55pm
mikenmild

I can’t see any PM in living memory being thus immortalised in Parliament grounds. Even Peter Fraser’s statue was placed outside.
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January 27, 2013 6:08pm
Rex Widerstrom

nasska says:

I’ve got a dozen eggs put aside just in case Dear Leader ever graces Parliament grounds in bronze.

I’d have imagined that nothing short of a conversion to Bhuddism and reincarnation as a 100kg pigeon would do, nasska. You must be mellowing in your old age 🙂
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January 27, 2013 7:51pm
Kea

mikenmild, I do not think “everything connected with socialism is tainted with blood”. That is not my position.

However, ALL socialist states, where the socialists have total control, ARE tainted with blood. I believe in many socialist ideas and would like to see even more done in some areas. Democratic socialism, with real opposition parties and real freedom of speech, I have no problem with.
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January 27, 2013 8:00pm
Griff

Oecd better life index rates the so called socialist nations of Scandinavia along with us “socialist” leaning anglophiles of New Zealand Aus and Canada as the best places to live,. For all its wealth the USA fails to impress in all except income.
In particular the USA”s model of healthcare is a failure. 4x the cost for a lesser outcome.

In the USA the political system is based on crony capitalism where the ultra rich are manipulating society to further their own profits at the cost of the future health of the entire society.

The state of national health and welfare overrides the greed of a small minority. This is why even the most extreme free market party in new Zealand act still supported a degree of social spending.
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January 27, 2013 8:03pm
nasska

Priest: What’s that you’re doing Tommy?

Tommy: Sticking crackers up frog’s arses Father.

Priest: Rectum, Tommy

Tommy: Blows ’em to fucking pieces Father!
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January 27, 2013 8:07pm
Kea

Many on the left, when arguing the superiority of socialism, often point to the Scandinavian countries of Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark as examples of the perfect socialist utopia. What the left either fails to consider or chooses to ignore are the suicide rates and death rates due to alcoholism. The sad fact is that in virtually all European socialist countries, the rates of suicide and alcoholism are far greater than the world average.
Sad facts indeed, these statistics are an indication of the level of misery within a society. In the old Soviet Union, the death rate due to alcoholism was alarmingly high — estimated as the highest in the world during the Cold War.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/a_toast_to_socialist_countries.html#ixzz2J9pt6TWL
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January 27, 2013 8:12pm
mikenmild

Bad luck Griff.
Kea’s now explained that only some socialist societies are bad – the ones where bad things have happened, apparently.
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January 27, 2013 8:14pm
Kea

mikenmild, do you know how they pay for all that “socialism” in Scandinavian countries ? It is by industry and free market capitalism. A bit more research may reveal things are not as good as many lefties make out. Many of those countries are in decline socially and economically. But I have no problem if they get to vote on the type of system they have. Voting also helps to ensure that those in power actually do act in the interest of the people. We just need to be mindful of what socialists always do when they can do what they like.
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January 27, 2013 8:26pm
Fletch

Unconfirmed reports of the Iranian Fordow nuclear facility being bombed and 240 trapped underground?
Needs to be confirmed by Western media.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/sabotage-key-iranian-nuclear-facility-hit/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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January 27, 2013 9:31pm
Kea

Fletch, It would not surprise me. Obama has big war plans this year. I fully expected Iran would be a victim. Although they have not attacked anyone for about 300 years, and their last war was against an American backed Saddam. I don’t care anymore what happens to America, as they voted the war monger Obama back in. But I do care about his victims all over the world.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-minister-welcomes-report-of-huge-blast-at-iran-nuclear-plant/

Israel’s Home Front Defense Minister Avi Dichter on Sunday welcomed a report that Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility had been rocked by a huge explosion.
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January 27, 2013 11:15pm
Griff

Dittohead

anyone who gets their information from non-expert sources or those who believe the agenda-less have an agenda in political discourse, be it climate change or gun control or health care. Much like creationists, the average dittohead will be unable to be reasoned with or engage in rational thought.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dittohead

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

Isaac Asimov
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January 28, 2013 12:40am
Manolo

A career change: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/27/feds-suspended-conn-priest-sold-meth-and-bought-sex-shop-to-launder-profits/?test=latestnews
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January 28, 2013 6:40am
Viking2

Hackers sympathetic to the late computer prodigy Aaron Swartz claim to have infiltrated the website of the US Justice Department’s Sentencing Commission, and said they planned to release government data.

The Sentencing Commission site, ussc.gov, was shut down early on Saturday.

Identifying themselves as Anonymous, a loosely organised group of unknown provenance associated with a range of recent online actions, the hackers voiced outrage over Swartz’ suicide on January 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5NTnPNNMtpw

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8231505/Anonymous-launch-Swartz-revenge-hack
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