General Debate 23 January 2013

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Colville

A slow morning?
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January 23, 2013 8:17am
Manolo

To warm up the hearts of the myriad of AGW believers, including the Greenie Nick Smith:
http://jamesdelingpole.com/wordpress/wordpress/blog/now-even-pravda-admits-the-global-warming-jig-is-up-2203/
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January 23, 2013 8:23am
Fletch

Reports coming in of another school shooting in Texas? The news folks will love this.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/20649755/breaking-news
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January 23, 2013 8:28am
BlueGriffon

The problem with housing affordability is that first home buyers DO NOT want to buy when prices are more affordable and stablising. As soon as prices start to go up, they jump in the queue which makes the problem worse. Have been around long enough to see it time and again.

Labour may be getting traction with their policy but the reality is that people are not going to want to buy an ‘affordable’ 90 sqm box on the outer edges of Aucland.

Some of us started out in little B & T units, not for this generation. First house has to be 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms with 4 car garaging.

Just listened to Chris Hipkins on ZB this morning, what a whiny so and so he is!!!!
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January 23, 2013 8:38am
iMP

Some challenging questions to DPF, Cam Slater and supporters of Redefining Marriage why we should legislatively normalise other sexualities.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=17211&action=edit&message=6&postpost=v2 (censored).
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January 23, 2013 8:41am
Kea

Reports coming in of another school shooting in Texas?

It is unfortunate they do not give the same coverage to the innocent people killed by the US government all around the world. All that changed along with the presidents skin tone.

The insincerity and misrepresentations of the left make me sick.
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January 23, 2013 8:42am
Lance

Good grief.
The concept of buying a house in a lower price area such as West Auckland for a young couple these days is like failure as a human being.
Then they appear in Herald bemoaning they tragedy they couldn’t afford to buy in Hern Bay.. WTF.
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January 23, 2013 8:42am
Tauhei Notts

Travelled Hamilton to Orewa yesterday.
I set the cruise control on 103 (4km margin there) and passed so many cars while I was in the left hand lane.
When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.
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January 23, 2013 8:44am
Monique Watson

Pussy Galore:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/01/fire-in-la-hotel-cat-saved.html
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January 23, 2013 8:44am
Pete George

Phil Twyford has promised that Labour will reopen the Gisborne-Napier rail line…
– despite saying a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis is required
– despite quoting a BERL report that says freigh volume needs to more than quadruple for the line to be profitable

And Labour would also have to be able to get sufficient votes in Parliament. Presumably Greens would back a substantially taxpayer subsidised rail line, but they would probably need more votes than Labour+Green.

Labour’s promise to reopen Gisborne-Napier rail line
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January 23, 2013 8:45am
Kleva Kiwi

“Tauhei Notts (1,190) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
Travelled Hamilton to Orewa yesterday.
I set the cruise control on 103 (4km margin there) and passed so many cars while I was in the left hand lane.
When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.”

There is no such thing as a fast lane in NZ. Right hand lanes are not for ‘fast’ traffic, and on a multi laned motorway there is no distinction in the speed of lanes.
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January 23, 2013 8:50am
skyblue

MW – Gareth Morgan was seen running away with a can in the hand.
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January 23, 2013 8:53am
Monique Watson

@Pete George. Well that is one way to throw money down the crapper. What that region needs is a massive investment in roading infrastructure. Its got to be the worst road in New Zealand but such potential for tourism and exporting if the Wellington Gisborne New Plymouth triangle was given a boost with decent freeways.
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January 23, 2013 8:54am
skyblue

Black Caps on verge of victory. SA require 64 runs from 35 balls, only 4 wickets left.
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January 23, 2013 8:56am
hmmokrightitis

Black Caps. Nuff said. Holding of breath…
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January 23, 2013 8:57am
skyblue

I hope the Black Caps don’t clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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January 23, 2013 8:57am
Monique Watson

My youngest children are off to preschool today. Still a few years b4 the oldest can babysit but “lightness of being”, is the phrase that comes to mind.
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January 23, 2013 8:58am
Pete George

Four wickets to R. Out. South Africa running out of wickets as they run themselves out.
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January 23, 2013 9:02am
skyblue

Just hit a six then out, go the Black Caps.
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January 23, 2013 9:05am
skyblue

Run out has a fifer!
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January 23, 2013 9:05am
Andrei

Fortieth anniversary of the Supreme Court descision that began the USA’s slide into degeneracy and now has more victims than Stalin and Hitler combined managed.

Satanic harridans celebrate
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January 23, 2013 9:19am
skyblue

1 wicket to go. Surely they cannot lose from here.
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January 23, 2013 9:19am
Pete George

Too many runs for them to get now. That’s a major turnaround in form for both teams.
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January 23, 2013 9:26am
Kea

Monique Watson (864) Says:

January 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
Pussy Galore:

Garth will not be pleased about that. He wants them all dead !

Because he is a caring lefty.
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January 23, 2013 9:27am
Lance

Good grief
Black Caps win

I am stunned and amazed
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January 23, 2013 9:29am
TheContrarian

WOOOO HOOO! NZ take the series from South Africa on their home soil.

Time to taunt my South African wife and family-in-law
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January 23, 2013 9:30am
skyblue

Black Caps win a series in South Africa.
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January 23, 2013 9:32am
Dean Papa

BlackCaps win!!

time for Pauleastbay to jump back on the bandwagon!!
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January 23, 2013 9:32am
Keeping Stock

That’s more like it! If the Black Caps play to the best of their ability and lose, I can accept that. And boy; did they scrap hard this morning; the first ever series win by a New Zealand side in South Africa, and we’ve been touring there for 60 years. Well done lads!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/well-done-to-black-caps.html
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January 23, 2013 9:35am
Pete George

Not too bad by the Black Caps but they have to get more consistency in their batting.
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January 23, 2013 9:40am
krazykiwi

The calls for a massive global pillaging of private wealth for the benefit of the global elite continues:

Davos call for $14trn ‘greening’ of global economy

Political and business leaders warned of need to ensure sustainable growth.

An unprecedented $14trn (£8.8trn) greening of the global economy is the only way to ensure long-term sustainable growth, according to a stark warning delivered to political and business leaders as they descended on the World Economic Forum in Davos yesterday.

When you hear terms like ‘greening the global economy’ and ‘sustainable development’ what you’re really hearing is a demand that you open your pocket to fund the global leadership aspirations of sovereign nationals whose egos have outgrown their local rulership opportunities.
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January 23, 2013 9:50am
Pete George

A great effort by Hesson turning around the form of the Black Caps and lifting them off the canvas.

Mike Hesson to coach Labour caucus?

And captain McCullum is a good speaker…
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January 23, 2013 10:02am
Dean Papa

but SA missing some of their big names, a rotation policy?
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January 23, 2013 10:04am
Keeping Stock

And New Zealand was at full strength Dean? No Taylor, Ryder, Southee, Bracewell…

Take nothing away from them; it was an outstanding performance, and they fought and scrapped in a way that we have become accustomed to seeing from New Zealand teams, but not of late.
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January 23, 2013 10:15am
calendar girl

Kleva @ 8:50 – “There is no such thing as a fast lane in NZ. Right hand lanes are not for ‘fast’ traffic, and on a multi laned motorway there is no distinction in the speed of lanes.”

That may be correct technically, but whatever happened to the “first rule of the road code”: keep to the left? The cops never seem to take that seriously enough these days, even when they are taking slower drivers to task.

Tauhei Notts is right: when there’s more than a single lane on any road – including a motorway or a freeway – it should be an enforceable requirement that drivers keep to the left as far as is practicable. That might minimise the build-up of driver frustration that can be a precursor to unnecessary crashes.
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January 23, 2013 10:36am
Monique Watson

@ KK and @Kea. You know it’s all gone to hell when the U.S president promises to address the climate change issue:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-would-obama-address-climate. What a dick. His focus should be jobs and fuck anything else. He’s going to be responsible for a shift in the power stakes to Asia. NZ dollar will be parity with USD at the end of this decade. If our government pulls out it’s finger and infrastructure and breaking down trade barriers, NZ will be the winner.
The US is on a hiding to nowhere. In California we pay more for electricity than we did in Wellington and the price is gonna rocket up again with futile projects like wind and as for a secure food supply. Biofuels will stuff that up.
Morgan is another waste of space on environmentalism. We should be working on exploiting the exotic species for hunting and tourism in NZ not distracted by feline by his pussy brows.
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January 23, 2013 10:39am
Manolo

Bibi is expected to win: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/22/expect-more-same-netanyahu-looks-to-maintain-status-quo-in-third-term-as/
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January 23, 2013 10:50am
Colville

SA were than 150/1 under 30 overs. They should have done it with both eyes closed.

But amazing things happen when a NZ batsman actually scores more than 20 runs.

I hope Ryder tours to England.
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January 23, 2013 10:50am
Manolo

Excellent article by James Delingpole: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100199161/obama-declares-war-on-reality/

We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms.

The first sentence is a blatant untruth. Concerted global action so far to deal with the threat of climate change has resulted in: higher energy prices; more deaths from fuel poverty; more intrusive regulation; the destruction of rainforests and the squandering of agricultural land on biofuels; higher food prices; famine and food riots – as a result partly of the drive for biofuels; the entrenchment of corporatism and rent-seeking to the detriment of free markets; the ravaging of the countryside with ugly solar farms and even uglier wind turbines; the deaths of millions of birds and bats; the great recession. How any of this has in any way benefited either our children (who are going to find it far harder to find a job) or future generations is a complete mystery.
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January 23, 2013 10:51am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/8207792/Two-flat-whites-hold-the-crying-kid

Anyone else got an opinion on screaming kids in cafes?
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January 23, 2013 10:53am
Akaroa

T. Notts at 8.44 posted, inter alia: “When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.”

Hello T.Notts! You obviously haven’t held a driving licence for very long – either that or you were badly taught when you were a Learner.

As every competent driver knows, the outside lane is the overtaking lane. Did you get that? O-V-E-R-T-A-K-I-N-G!! Use it to overtake and then return to a non-overtaking lane.

That way we will all get to where we are going comparatively safely and without delay – or the frustration of being held up behind a slow mover hogging the overtaking lane.
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January 23, 2013 10:57am
mikenmild

Monique
LOL – we definitely have overlooked the tourism potential of hunting those well-known game species: possums, stoats, ferrets and wild cats.
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January 23, 2013 11:06am
Pete George

Phil Twyford has taken the time to respond to questions on the Gisborne-Napier rail re-opening.

http://yournz.org/2013/01/23/phil-twyford-responds-on-gisborne-napier-rail/

I accept that policy pledges or promises are not, can not, be set in stone, they are subject to changing situations, election results, coalition agreements and policy support negotiations.

I still query the optimism in quadrupling freight volumes.

In particular I think there’s an important issue that needs more attention regarding Labour’s stated preference on Hillside Workshops and the Gisborne-Napier line to change the business model of SOEs to include wider costs including social costs and costs of unemployment and the effects on downstream business.

And whether MPs should have more ongoing say in the operating decisions of SOEs.
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January 23, 2013 11:15am
kowtow

So called Arab Spring going well. The Islamic govt of Egypt want more beheadings in Mali.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=300404
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January 23, 2013 11:18am
TripeWryter

Anyone know why today’s NZ1, the Air NZ flight from London-LA-Auckland, made a sharp turn back to London after it had passed northwest Scotland, then made another sharp turn and resumed the flight?

The aircraft, a Boeing 777, doesn’t seem to have been delayed much. At midday (NZDT, 23.01.2012) it was heading across the Canadian province of Manitoba towards the US border at 562mph.

flightradar24.com is a wonderful, pointless time-waster….
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January 23, 2013 12:08pm
Keeping Stock

4615 comments on the CK Stead/David Bain post now, and rising by the hour. Can DPF get a 5000 comment post?
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January 23, 2013 12:15pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

DFP
It may be time to close down the Bain thread
It is for some reason repeating identical comments and so is a waste of time loading in 4500+ remarks
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January 23, 2013 12:15pm
thedavincimode

Akaroa

Either you were completely missing the point or you’re one of those tools who sit in the right hand lane holding everyone else up instead of moving over.
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January 23, 2013 12:17pm
Left Right and Centre

NZ blogosphere could coin a new malady *Bain Strain*

Bain Sprain?
Bain drain?
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January 23, 2013 12:18pm
Kea

So called Arab Spring going well. The Islamic govt of Egypt want more beheadings in Mali.

That will be the same “Arab Spring” supported by Obama’s bombs ?

The same one supported by Western liberals ?

That one ??
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January 23, 2013 12:18pm
thedavincimode

Puzzled

You don’t have to go there. If repeating identical comments was the threshold, then Kiwiblog, and boybaiter in particular, would have been shut down years ago.
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January 23, 2013 12:21pm
thedavincimode

LRC

Very good.

Bain fade, Bain storm, Bain wave.
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January 23, 2013 12:24pm
Keeping Stock

@ PiE – don’t be silly; it’s DPF’s cunning plan to wrest back the #1 spot in the NZ blog rankings 😀
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January 23, 2013 12:24pm
krazykiwi

I want a ‘bain freeze’ 🙂
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January 23, 2013 12:32pm
Left Right and Centre

DB + stripper = Bain teaser.

Some out there Bainiacs on this blog.

It would be a Bain in the arse if he was gay. It’s Baining men. I’d give him a big Bainer. Baindrops keep falling on my head. Bain Aid: Do they know it’s compensation time at all?

Aha….. yeah. Sure!! Yeah, you should….
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January 23, 2013 1:04pm
Keeping Stock

Is the end nigh for Sir Paul?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/8213205/Paul-Holmes-admitted-to-hospital

Reading that “his family had gathered” has an ominous tone to it.
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January 23, 2013 1:19pm
pollywog

Whinging pom calls it how he sees it…

I’m an English migrant with New Zealand citizenship and have lived here for over ten years.

During my time here many of the myths which New Zealand perpetuates for its citizenry, and the world by its media, around the water-cooler at work, and at the pub, have slowly been eroded – much like its rivers, waterways and workers’ rights…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/8208827/NZ-a-great-place-to-live-Yeah-right

har de har har…
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January 23, 2013 1:20pm
kowtow

More of the diversity and multicultural/immigration dividend in action.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9818163/Muslim-Patrol-thugs-abuse-man-in-second-vigilante-video.html
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January 23, 2013 1:34pm
Lance

@pollywog

O.K. … it’s an oldy but a goody

How can you tell when a plane load of poms lands at the airport? When the engines are turned off the whining is still deafening.
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January 23, 2013 1:35pm
Manolo

I propose David Bain be excised from NZ history. That will do a lot of good. 🙂
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January 23, 2013 2:04pm
Pete George

The bain of Kiwiblog – thankfully mostly confined to a neverending thread that is easily avoided.
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January 23, 2013 2:11pm
Lance

Don’t mention the ‘B’ word (name)

Please

This is a potential dangerous journey into the area of obsessive compulsive behaviour.
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January 23, 2013 2:17pm
thedavincimode

Don’t mention the ‘B’ word (name)

You mean … Macbeth?
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January 23, 2013 2:46pm
Manolo

At davinci’s request: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/8212698/Two-arrested-over-charity-box-theft
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January 23, 2013 3:10pm
Manolo

Anohter Gaia lover gone bonkers: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html
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January 23, 2013 3:18pm
Fletch

Andrei (1,672) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 am
Fortieth anniversary of the Supreme Court descision that began the USA’s slide into degeneracy and now has more victims than Stalin and Hitler combined managed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawFw_fPCw8
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January 23, 2013 4:14pm
Azeraph

Fletch (3,775) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

Did you post a clip on the russians warning of currency war? I’ve been trying to look for it but can’t find it. Anyone remember?
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January 23, 2013 4:30pm
Fletch

No, wasn’t me, sorry.
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January 23, 2013 4:51pm
Azeraph

Monique Watson (865) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

Um….What exotic species? Now if only we can resurrect the Moa, I’m not joking. If they can use pluritpotent stem cells to replicate a mouse sooner or later we’ll be able to have a crack at raising a dead species if we can find some dna somewhere.

Monique, What’s the general mood in Calif for the next year?
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January 23, 2013 4:54pm
Azeraph

Fletch (3,776) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

Not a problem, i found it when i got a flash of inspiration and searched youtube.
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January 23, 2013 4:56pm
thedavincimode

Manolo

Good to see that you are now being even-handed and reporting on gay crime.
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January 23, 2013 5:36pm
Azeraph

thedavincimode (4,325) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

Fa Fa’s? down there?
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January 23, 2013 5:53pm
chiz

Dick Smith ad in Australia deemed too rude to air during prime time due, it turns out, to innuendo. Apparently “I love dick” jokes are unacceptable.
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January 23, 2013 6:04pm
hinamanu

Why intelligent people are concerned

Look at the pattern

Freedoms are disappearing, government powers growing

The idea of suspending the Constitution was first presented in the mid 1980s during the Reagan administration.

No less a thug than the drug-dealing, murder-ordering, terrorist-supporting Oliver North was knee deep in the program.

Since then every US president – George Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr, and Barack Obama – have steadily created oppressive laws and legal systems to “fight terrorism” while simultaneously violating basic Constitutional rights.

Simultaneously with this, the US military has received training on how to suppress the rights of and even attack US citizens on US soil. US police have been increasingly militarized and new armed federal agencies have spouted like weeds.

Why?

Doesn’t the US have enough serious problems to attend to without the need to laboriously create new “programs” to fight non-existent or government manufactured problems?

Instead the ONLY thing the US government has done consistently over the last 30 years (besides wage illegal wars and give Wall Street criminals a “get out of jail free” card) is create new secret “internal security” laws, bureaucracies, infrastructure and armed bodies.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-war-on-terror-is-a-fraud-1/why-intelligent-people-are-concerned.html
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January 23, 2013 6:10pm
Manolo

About time DPF puts an end to the Bain thread and extinguish all life out of the nutters that inhabit it.

Good to see that you are now being even-handed and reporting on gay crime.

davinci, equanimity is my surname.
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January 23, 2013 6:43pm
Monique Watson

@MM Lol.
Crying brats in cafes: I always found that sticking a nipple in the wailing child’s mouth worked a treat. Especially if the child is your own and fueling up on mimosas serves to quiet the ill humour of a breast fed brat. Parents these days. Sheesh.
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January 23, 2013 6:53pm
Manolo

Nick Smith, the Green minister, could be proposing a similar measure: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sweden-mulls-carbon-tax-meat-reduce-emissions
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January 23, 2013 6:55pm
hinamanu

You Tube comment about the state of the education system in US

The Middle Schoolers where we moved–those girls were like in a state of scream. My daughter started getting that way. I took her off the school lunch and she calmed down immediately. Then I find out my son’s 5th grade Nazi teacher is trying to get them to report the parents aren’t feeding them right. And I am reading labels like crazy. What it is about is CONTROL. They will be dosing your kids behind your back. But what they are putting into their heads is far more toxic than in their bodies.
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January 23, 2013 6:59pm
Manolo

Is this guy related to Griff or Scott Chris? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/paul-ehrlich-nobody-has-right-have-12-children-or-even-3
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January 23, 2013 7:00pm
hinamanu

Paul Ehrlich sounds like he wants to be a virus.

In the near future he’ll probably state the virus has been found….when he has enough dirty rats behind him…. Bill and Melinda gates are in the same phase…speaking depopulation but not yet confident enough to action it .

All on You tube
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January 23, 2013 7:05pm
Azreal

If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.
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January 23, 2013 7:17pm
TripeWryter

I thought he had died years ago. So he’s still peddling his population-controlling, fear-mongering from 40 years ago when he was the darling of people like the Values Party.
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January 23, 2013 7:51pm
chiz

Turia rejects Harawira ‘dictatorship’:

However, she says she sees Mr Harawira’s aspirations as a joke.

“The fact is the Maori Party is led by the people and we’re not prepared to be led by any kind of dictatorship,” she told media at Ratana Marae, where the party has gathered for annual Ratana Church celebrations.

“Somebody who purports to represent our people, and to say that he’s got to be the leader, no, no, that’s not how it works in our party.”

She says the parties have tried to work together previously but it has not worked.

Mrs Turia added that when she read news reports of Mr Harawira’s leadership aspirations, she “thought Hone had started a comedy show”.
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January 23, 2013 7:53pm
Yvette

Hi Kiwibloggers

Seen this ?
__________________

Further charges possible for John Banks
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8212953/Further-charges-possible-for-John-Banks
__________________

Just pointing this out before you-know-who drops umpteen paragraphs on you about it

Have a nice evening 🙂

Un-Judicially Recognised Kiwiblog Nuisance
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January 23, 2013 7:55pm
Kea

Manolo (8,831) Says:
January 23rd, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Is this guy related to Griff or Scott Chris?

Griff is to people what Morgan is to cats.
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January 23, 2013 8:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

Azreal @ 7.17

If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.

The breeders don’t see it that way, they breed them and the TAXPAYER feeds them.
Vote Labour and get more votes
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January 23, 2013 8:23pm
big bruv

So if Pakistan were playing the eight ranked team in world cricket and managed to lose five wickets by way of a run out would the cricket world be asking if the game was rigged?

Just asking….
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January 23, 2013 8:45pm
Viking2

China spends big to develop shale gas industry

by: Emily Ford
From: The Times
January 23, 2013 3:08PM

CHINA has mounted a huge investment drive to explore its vast untapped reserves of shale gas in what it hopes could become a repeat of the energy revolution taking place in North America.

Sixteen Chinese companies, including 14 state-owned enterprises, pledged to invest ¥12.8billion when they won contracts from the Ministry of Land and Resources to search for shale gas in remote parts of the country over three years, according to Xinhua, the state news agency.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/china-spends-big-to-develop-shale-gas-industry/story-fnb64oi6-1226560151771

That’ll stuff the Arabs.
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January 23, 2013 9:12pm
Kea

Viking here is more good news on the energy front:

“Despite struggling under a Greek-exposed debt mountain, the east Mediterranean island sits on potentially huge energy wealth in excess of 600 billion euros, a Royal Bank of Scotland report said.

Cyprus hydrocarbons company chief Charles Ellinas says the island will be exporting to Europe by 2019 with a view to meeting 10 percent of the bloc’s energy needs.

Offshore exploration by Houston-based Noble Energy in Block 12 of Cyprus’s Exclusive Economic Zone indicates a gross natural gas reserve of up to 254.9 billion cubic metres (9 trillion cubic feet).”

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/10476
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January 23, 2013 9:17pm
Inky_the_Red

There has been 2 very close elections in recent days. A few days ago the German State of Lower Saxony produced (at leat provissionally) a narrow win the SPD/ Greens by 1 seat over the CDU/FDP. Hard to see such a slim majority lasting over the term but time will tell.

Despite PM Binyamin Netanyahu claiming victory early (seemingly based on Exit Polls) it seem unlikely he’ll have a stable government over the next few year. Today in Israel his Likud coalition is down 11 seats (from 2009) to gain 31 seats (out of 120) the religious parties managed 29 so it appears that he’ll need some support from the centre for any long-term government to last.

To make matters worse the Yisrael Beiteinu faction of his Likud coalition say they plan to be a separate party in the Knesset. I think Israel will be voting again in 6-15 months as I can’t see how anyone to get any sort of coherent government from the result (so far).

Interestingly, despite being about 20% of the population Arab parties only gained 12 seats (or 10% of the seats). Even taking into account the higher proportion of Israeli Arab too young to vote if their turnout was the same you would expect 17-18 seats. Maybe a mix of apathy and boycott keep the numbers down (I realise that some vote for non arab parties too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_legislative_election,_2013
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January 23, 2013 9:25pm
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Likud-Beitenu: 31 seats
Yesh Atid: 19
Labour: 15
Shas: 11
Habayit Hayehudi: 11
United Torah Judaism: 7
Hatnua: 6
Meretz: 6
United Arab List-Taal: 5
Hadash: 4
Balad: 3
Kadima: 2

It is so split 60 vs 60

Likud-Beitenu 31, and the 3 religious parties Shas 11, Habayit Hayehudi 11, United Torah Judaism 7 — 60
vs the rest.

One option (most likely) is Likud-Beitenu 31 seats and Yesh Atid 19 and Labour 15.

But Beitenu separating from Likud might complicate this.

Maybe Likud + Yesh Atid 19 and Labour 15 and Hatnua 6 and Kadima 2 might be the alternative.
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January 24, 2013 12:30am
Manolo

Opposition to nannyism New York-style: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUGARY_DRINKS_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-23-06-18-52
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