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Pete George

Simply passing on this definition as tweeted by @SocialMedia_NZ :

Smanker: noun,
1. a social media wanker.
2. someone who claims to possess influence but in reality just complains a lot and does nothing.
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January 15, 2013 3:23pm
hj

The comrade uses AGW as a shield and excuse against the forces of progress.
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The Human economy is a subset of the worlds eco system not the other way around: it’s Mother Earth not Mother Business.
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January 15, 2013 3:23pm
cha

Here ya go.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/news/must-read-justice-department-recommends-joining-armstrong-suit_271482
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January 15, 2013 3:24pm
cha

Yanuach Beshalom Al Mishkavo Leon Leyson

The truth is, I did not live my life in the shadow of the Holocaust. I did not give my children a legacy of fear. I gave them a legacy of freedom
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January 15, 2013 3:40pm
Kea

The Human economy is a subset of the worlds eco system not the other way around: it’s Mother Earth not Mother Business.

So why worry about a small sub-subset like mans tiny contribution to co2, good point.

Now we have done AGW, lets move onto less contentious things. How many Whales & Dolphins should we cull this year, as part of the sustainable harvest ?

When we begin to exploit the deep sea oil reserves in the Antarctic, how will we allot the oil to the various nations, or should it be a free for all ?

When will Africans start paying back all that money they have been given by do-gooding Europeans and are they taking-the-piss ?
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January 15, 2013 4:25pm
Griff

When will we eat our useless native parrots it could save them from the coming catastrophe
Mind you the kaka has a name that translates as shit and from recent observation some of our other parrots are full of shit as well
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January 15, 2013 4:34pm
Griff

Melt down are not nice for those that have them. Poor dotty he rose on the horizon like a shiny thing yet exploded from the blog like a big pile of things that go bang.
Made the only other melt down I have seen look quit mild.
DGs was more a quite slide into drunken stupor by comparison.
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January 15, 2013 4:46pm
Kea

“When will we eat our useless native parrots” 🙂 🙂 🙂
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January 15, 2013 4:47pm
Andrei

Uh oh – who’da ever thunk it.
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January 15, 2013 4:49pm
Andrei

so why did my link go west?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8180500/Report-slams-Clarks-UN-programme
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January 15, 2013 4:50pm
Kea

Andrei, that vile bitch has been caught out many times since joining the corrupt and useless UN. Of course you don’t here much of that in the NZ media.
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January 15, 2013 4:53pm
Weihana

Kea,

I do not dispute that man as some influence on the current change. I do dispute the degree of change caused by man…

So why worry about a small sub-subset like mans tiny contribution to co2, good point…

Could you quantify “tiny contribution”? What is your estimate of climate sensitivity?

Also, if you believe it to be below 2 deg C, on what do you base this?
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January 15, 2013 5:21pm
Weihana

Kea,

There is NOT some “correct” climate for the Earth. There is no scientific basis for that.

I disagree. There is a “correct” climate in terms of what is hospitable for human life. Many extreme climates in Earth’s history are not suitable and although we may not be able to prevent natural climate change, we should surely exercise caution to ensure we do not make extreme changes occur a whole lot sooner than they have to.
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January 15, 2013 5:29pm
nasska

Kea

Fortunately we were able to infiltrate the AGW nutters’ HQ. For your reference a copy of their strategy.

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9nf01i7hdn5h55w/Handle%20a%20Skeptic.jpg
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January 15, 2013 5:31pm
Boglio

Griff….Kea Has anyone checked the orbit of the earth recently. It worries me that the earth may slowly be getting closer to the sun and therefore heating up a little
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January 15, 2013 5:39pm
RightNow

“Also, if you believe it to be below 2 deg C, on what do you base this?”
The IPCC projections coupled with 30 years of observations of CO2 levels in the atmosphere. E.g the increase in forcing from rise in GHG’s between 1990 and 2010 was 0.63 w/m^2 which led to an increase in “average” temperature of just under 0.18 deg C over the same period.
An exponential increase in GHG concentrations would be required to incur a faster level of warming.
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January 15, 2013 5:40pm
Manolo

The much despised comrade Clark found wanting again. What a surprise!
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January 15, 2013 5:41pm
RightNow

sorry, “0.18 deg C over the same period” should have read “0.18 deg C per decade over that period”.
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January 15, 2013 5:43pm
Judith

Actually developing an appetite for endangered species is a great idea. If enough people want them, then farming them would be profitable, and no farmed animal becomes extinct.

Kiwiburger anyone?
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January 15, 2013 5:45pm
Kea

Boglio, “climate scientists” have told us the Sun has no effect on the Earths climate. Tiny amounts of the trace gas co2 are responsible, not the gigantic Nuclear furnace that blasts the planet 24/7 365 days of the year. Griff said that is the “scientific consensus”.

To be fair, I would say that too if you paid me the sort of money those guys get ! 🙂
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January 15, 2013 5:47pm
Griff

trend calculator

1990 to 2010

Data: (For definitions and equations see the methods section of Foster and Rahmstorf, 2011)

Trend: 0.184 ±0.105 °C/decade (2σ)
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January 15, 2013 5:54pm
RF

Manalo. 5.41pm. It’s about time the world woke up to the fact that Frau Clark does not walk on water and has the same body functions as us mere mortals. Plus she is casual with the truth.

So much for looking after the poor whilst she clocks up a massive carbon footprint flying all over the world.
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January 15, 2013 5:56pm
nasska

Just in case anyone wants to jump on the AGW gravy train….

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/02xr94k4kxqhadb/Climate%20Crap%201.jpg
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January 15, 2013 6:05pm
Manolo

Is the alarmist a (weed) smoker?
Yes, that’s Griff.
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January 15, 2013 6:09pm
Andrei

1990 to 2010

Data: (For definitions and equations see the methods section of Foster and Rahmstorf, 2011)

Trend: 0.184 ±0.105 °C/decade (2σ)

So what?
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January 15, 2013 6:35pm
nasska

Just to clear up any confusion…..

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9anhej5vlirjtz/Climate%20Crap%202.jpg
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January 15, 2013 6:43pm
krazykiwi

Andrei, Andrei… you should know better than to ask simple, relevant questions to Griff. It causes a THC-induced brain implosion as there’s nothing in a warmist/alarmist script to deal with the simple truth (ie that there is nothing to panic about, and certainly nothing that should have mankind abandon progress on account of a threat which is a fabrication)

One of the things I find fascinating is the total absence of braying support at KB for the CAGW hypothesis. Three years ago there would have been 10 griff’s all parroting the same lies, fear and half-truths. Now it’s just him. If this were a war, griff would be the chap found in the forrest, armed and pretending to be dangerous 40 years after hostilities ceased.
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January 15, 2013 6:48pm
Rodders

Dotcom (1,388) Says: January 15th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

Bye all.

Hopefully, now he will have time to remember to take his pills.
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January 15, 2013 6:48pm
Azeraph

Bloody Chinese have poisoned the South china sea, mercury levels found in tuna stocks from that area are too high for consumption so they may have to fish in other areas.
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January 15, 2013 6:53pm
Reid

Has it ever occurred to the AGW people that they’re a bit like the Baniacs, in some ways, I wonder?
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January 15, 2013 6:54pm
Weihana

RightNow (4,808) Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

“Also, if you believe it to be below 2 deg C, on what do you base this?”
The IPCC projections coupled with 30 years of observations of CO2 levels in the atmosphere. E.g the increase in forcing from rise in GHG’s between 1990 and 2010 was 0.63 w/m^2 which led to an increase in “average” temperature of just under 0.18 deg C over the same period.
An exponential increase in GHG concentrations would be required to incur a faster level of warming.

Trends on a 20 year time scale are only going to reflect a transient climate response. If I recall correctly models generally predict a transient response of approx 2 deg C per decade which is reasonably close to the observed warming. Equilibrium climate sensitivity estimates on the other hand are obtained from integrating ocean temperatures over a long period of time.
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January 15, 2013 6:59pm
Griff

Yes nutters
They all realize its futile to argue with nutters
Its after all it is a mental condition

If you’re in denial, you’re not being realistic about something that’s happening
In some cases, a little denial can be a good thing. Being in denial for a short period can be a healthy coping mechanism, giving you time to adjust to a painful or stressful issue.

Refusing to acknowledge that something’s wrong is a way of coping with emotional conflict, stress, painful thoughts, threatening information and anxiety.

When you’re in denial, you:

Refuse to acknowledge a stressful problem or situation
Avoid facing the facts of the situation
Minimize the consequences of the situation

In its strictest sense, denial is an unconscious process. You don’t generally decide to be in denial about something. But some research suggests that denial might have a conscious component — on some level, you might choose to be in denial.

Nutters conspiwhacky believing RWNJ luddites
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January 15, 2013 7:00pm
Pete George

And a study has found that China’s coral reefs hace shrunk by 80% over the last 30 years

Biological surveys in the South China Sea and off mainland China revealed that losses of living coral reefs, especially in the past 10 to 15 years, present a “grim picture of decline, degradation and destruction,” said the research report, according to AFP.

Pollution, overfishing and coastal development are blamed for the disappearance of the coral reefs. “China’s ongoing economic expansion has exacerbated many wicked environmental problems,” the report authors said.

http://www.livescience.com/25870-china-coral-reefs.html

The world is facing more than climate issues. And more than energy supply issues. As the population grows we need more and more resources, but instead we destroy more and more.

Whatever the science ends up proving we have to be able to live within our means or we will end up destroying our planet. We may survive it, but unless we change our way of living sooner or later current or future generations will suffer, possibly drastically.
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January 15, 2013 7:08pm
krazykiwi

As the population grows we need more and more resources

Human innovation is our greatest resource.
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January 15, 2013 7:12pm
Griff

Scientific endeavor is our greatest resource.
That which developed AGW theory
Luddite
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January 15, 2013 7:20pm
Kea

Pete George, OK lets err on the side of ~~stupidity~~ caution and accept AGW.

What is the SOLUTION ?

I did my part by not having kids, largely for environmental reasons. I have the carbon footprint of mouse. I throw out very little waste and walk to work.

All of the AGW alarmists, with kids, are hypocrites. It is the single worse thing you could do to the planet and no amount of recycling, Prius driving or other banal white middle class attempts to salve your conscience will make up for it. That is the simple fact of the matter you bunch of posers.
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January 15, 2013 7:28pm
Komata

Re the ‘discussion’ between Griff and others.

I regret to advise that, having trawlled through all of Griff’s dialogues with others, I have now reached the stage where I ignore his posts, in the same way that i also ignore the Bright-one’s diatribes (where is she BTW – missing in Ponsonby?) and those of the late (expelled?) Mr.Ure.

Sorry Griff – it WAS nice to read your comments at the beginning, but now, it’s a case of ‘chronic indigestion’…

Unfortunately, it is probable that others feel the same.

Thought you’d like to know.
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January 15, 2013 7:33pm
Monique Watson

I have five kids. How naughty am I?
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January 15, 2013 7:46pm
nasska

Monique

…”How naughty am I?”…..

Please….this is a family blog! 🙂
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January 15, 2013 7:50pm
Kea

Monique Watson, go grab the missus and make another one 🙂

I don’t mind the kids, I even like the little shits, but what I object to is insincerity and hypocrisy. Especially the type you constantly get from the privileged white middle class socialists while they dictate to every one on how to live their lives. If they want to claim the moral high ground, then they better earn if by their actions, not their pompous words.
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January 15, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

A priest is sitting inside the church, when a bloke comes in and asks to be confessed.

“Very well, my child,” says the priest, as he leads the man into the confession booth, “Tell me about your sins.”

“Well, Father,” says the bloke, “On Monday, I was at my girlfriend’s house, and, well… the two of us alone, the house empty… I sinned, Father.”

“Don’t worry, child,” says the priest, “It’s perfectly normal to have such desires and share them with your partner. Nothing serious, so just say two prayers and you will be cleansed of your sins.”

“But Father,” continues the man, “It doesn’t end there. On Tuesday, I was at my girlfriend’s house again, but she had gone out with her mates, and the only one there was her sister, and, well… the two of us alone, the house empty… I sinned again, Father.”

“Oh, child,” says the Father, “You must be strong and fight those urges! Eight prayers shall cleanse you of your sins.”

“But Father,” says the bloke again, “On Wednesday, I was at my girlfriend’s house again, and she wasn’t there then either, and the only one at home was her mum, and, well… the two of us alone, the house empty… Again I sinned, Father.”

“Good Lord,” says the priest, “Child, you must think about what you do, so pray-”

“But Father,” says the bloke, “On Thursday, I was at my girlfriend’s house again, and the whole family had gone to the shop, and the only one there was the maid, and, well… the two of us alone, the house empty… I sinned yet again, Father.”

The priest falls silent.

“And then,” continues the bloke, “On Friday, I was at her house again, and they had gone out for the weekend and the only one there was her aunt, and , well… the two of us alone, the house empty…”

The priest still did not answer.

“And on Saturday,” said the bloke, “I went to her house again, and there was nobody there except for her grandmother, and, well…”

The man awaits a reply, but upon hearing none, he exits the booth – only to find the priest up on the belfry.

“Father,” he calls, “What are you doing up there? I haven’t finished!”

“Like fuck I’m coming down,” says the priest, “The two of us alone, the church empty… and I don’t want you to sin any more.”
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January 15, 2013 8:00pm
Rodders

🙂
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January 15, 2013 8:17pm
RF

Shit. And here’s me thinking Clark had fucked up big time at the UN and people would be lining up to stand on her throat. Global warming that is crap appears to be more important. Back to my single malt. I do miss Dot Com and his mad raving.
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January 15, 2013 8:21pm
Kea

RF, Clark has been caught out many times, as has the UN. But Kiwis are so in love with authority it is rarely reported. I have followed her antics by sourcing real news off shore. It is unusual to see it on Stuff.

Kiwis have no passion and no spirit. Years of feminism and socialism have broken them. The men are gutless and the women are miserable.
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January 15, 2013 8:30pm
Monique Watson

Adult Riddle #1

Q. Do you know how New Zealanders practice safe sex?
A. They spray paint X’s on the back of the sheep that kick!
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January 15, 2013 8:34pm
nasska

When asked, “What’s your favorite mythical creature?”…….

…..the answer has to be, “Those happy women in tampax adverts.”
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January 15, 2013 8:35pm
mikenmild

A yet a bunch of libertarian ‘thinkers’ judge us the freest society on Earth. Go figure.
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January 15, 2013 8:35pm
Monique Watson

Adult Riddle #2

Q: Why do men find it difficult to make eye contact?
A: Breasts don’t have eyes.
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January 15, 2013 8:42pm
nasska

South Auckland….. the only place you can buy
‘Happy 30th Birthday Nana’ balloons.
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January 15, 2013 8:46pm
Pauleastbay

http://tvnz.co.nz/cricket-news/axe-won-t-fall-mccullum-and-hesson-5319137

Just wondering what drugs New Zealands Director of Cricket John Buchanan is on.

Ross Taylor, Jesse Ryder, Tim Southee and Daniel Vettori were all conspicuous absentees from the South African tour for various reasons and Buchannan says there remains no timeline for any of their returns.

“We haven’t quite crossed that line yet,” he said.

“Ross has to go out and play some domestic cricket

Obviously the only top 10 rated batman New Zealand has, the only one with a test average over 40 has to go out and play fucking Wellington to prove he can play test cricket. Buchanan you’re a nob, just like Hesson FFS
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January 15, 2013 8:46pm
mikenmild

PEB
Fortunately for the ‘Black Caps’, they have an unscheduled day off today for some extra practice ahead of the ODIs. How’s that for a silver lining?
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January 15, 2013 8:54pm
Pauleastbay

That can’t be true, I’m just about to sit down and watch an hour or two of the 5th day of the cricket test between New Zealand and South Africa
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January 15, 2013 8:57pm
mikenmild

The ‘Black Caps’ should be flattered that their hosts allowed five days for the test matches.
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January 15, 2013 9:00pm
Pauleastbay

My girlfriend has just asked me how many women I’ve
sleeped with.

I said, ‘I really dont want to answer that love, you know I’ve had a past
& I don’t want to upset you!’

‘C’mon’ she said, ‘I can handle it!’

So I had to sit there and count them all.

> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, you, 10, 11, 12.
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January 15, 2013 9:07pm
Kea

Polly, I must use that one next time I am asked 🙂
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January 15, 2013 9:09pm
nasska

I don’t care if my wife spits or swallows.

As far as I’m concerned, she earned that cum and she can do whatever she wants with it.
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January 15, 2013 9:15pm
Azeraph

You know our planet can take 50 billion but that doesn’t mean those 50 billion will be living comfortable lives.
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January 15, 2013 9:18pm
Kea

nasska, your all class.
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January 15, 2013 9:35pm
Griff

A new analysis is challenging a report that suggests regular marijuana smoking during the teen years can lead to a long-term drop in IQ. The analysis says the statistical analysis behind that conclusion is flawed.
http://www.newsday.com/news/link-between-pot-smoking-and-iq-drop-challenged-1.4446210
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January 15, 2013 9:46pm
chiz

The authors of the original study on marijuana and IQ don’t buy the new claims, though.
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January 15, 2013 9:55pm
Griff

Nether do I
Empirical evidence suggests some long term effect on future cognate skill the ability to project into the future if pot is heavily smoked before 20 as well as a slight lowering in iq
Effects on memory and cognitive skill devolved after 20 are reversed if smoking is stopped
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January 15, 2013 10:03pm
Weihana

Pete George,

Whatever the science ends up proving we have to be able to live within our means or we will end up destroying our planet. We may survive it, but unless we change our way of living sooner or later current or future generations will suffer, possibly drastically.

So pessimistic. I’m a believer in the law of accelerating returns. Looking at the wide range of emerging technologies from artificial food to nanotechnology to biomedical engineering to the exponential rise in raw processing power It would seem more likely that they will live lives immeasurably more advanced than ours.
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January 15, 2013 10:09pm
Kea

Empirical evidence suggests some long term effect on future cognate skill

No shit !

Empirical evidence suggests no serious AGW either, but your cognitive skills are too frail due to reasons already traversed 😉
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January 15, 2013 10:10pm
Kea

Weihana, stop being a smart arse. Gaia is crying. Man must be punished. Go smoke some herb and tune ~~out~~ into the planet.
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January 15, 2013 10:13pm
Weihana

Azeraph (112) Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
You know our planet can take 50 billion but that doesn’t mean those 50 billion will be living comfortable lives.

Unless they are primarily living in an infinite virtual space indistinguishable from reality. Xbox 1 million 🙂
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January 15, 2013 10:13pm
Griff

yes kea I smoke pot whats your excuse for being such a fuckwit mom drop you?
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January 15, 2013 10:16pm
chiz

Kea is an aussie by birth and upbringing.
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January 15, 2013 10:21pm
Griff

Figures kola fucker
Still there is other bits missing as well
Are his parents yanks?
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January 15, 2013 10:25pm
Kea

Now now Griff do try and be civil 🙂

I don’t care what you smoke. You already know I am wildly liberal on drugs and sodomites. You can sit there with a needle hanging out your arm having burn on a P pipe for all I care. None of that effects me, or the worlds climate.

I will say that long term use, from a young age, does give people a certain “atmosphere”. That is not from studies, but from observation. I get to see waaaaaayyyyyyyy more drug users than most folk do. I find stonners handle stress badly, but will go away, calm down, and be ok. (yeah I know what they probably did to calm down). Mostly they don’t want a fuss.
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January 15, 2013 10:26pm
Kea

Oh look, Grieff & Jizz are a couple. How cute. Make sure you boys use condoms and fresh needles.
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January 15, 2013 10:28pm
chiz

Still there is other bits missing as well

In a manner of speaking, yes. Kea is actually female. Her name is Marni Sheppeard. Her former blog is here. She’s a troll basically.
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January 15, 2013 10:32pm
Griff

Actually It may be female and is a troll but your link is way to intelligent to be squawk
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January 15, 2013 10:47pm
RightNow

weihana “Equilibrium climate sensitivity estimates on the other hand are obtained from integrating ocean temperatures over a long period of time.”

Since the increase in OHC is decelerating it would seem intuitive to expect the resultant ECS to be lower than TCR
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January 15, 2013 11:32pm
RightNow

Of course the alarmist may be able to explain how a contrary result is inevitable due to feedbacks so far missing in action.
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January 15, 2013 11:35pm
axeman

Another MSM paper, the Daily Express, joins in with the Daily Mail, GWPF, Telegraph, The National Post (Canada) and The Australian during this last week.

IT’S A SCAM! But we already knew that….. 🙂

“In the name of the fight against climate change we have seen soaring energy bills, taxes and petrol prices, while large swathes of our landscape have been covered by ugly, useless wind turbines.

But now the justification for all this green oppression is looking ever weaker. The foundations of the environmental cause are crumbling. For years we have been told by the zealots that, without urgent political action, the Earth will be in real danger from rising temperatures and extreme weather conditions. Yet it is increasingly clear that the evidence to support such alarmist claims is hopelessly flawed.”

http://beta.dailyexpress.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/370670/Global-warming-is-nothing-more-than-an-expensive-con
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January 15, 2013 11:41pm
axeman

Meanwhile the media are in overdrive, making out that “the extreme heat is the new normal” in Australia. The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn’t push the mercury above 50C at any weather station in Australia, yet it’s been 50C (122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past century. See how many are in the late 1800′s and early to mid 1900′s. You can’t blame those high records on man made global warming.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/01/australia-was-hot-and-is-hot-so-what-this-is-not-an-unusual-heat-wave/
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January 15, 2013 11:53pm
Left Right and Centre

I definitely don’t read all of the Griff/ Kea posts. Number one it would take all day. And whoever is right…. then what?

And I share a similar view to another post…. the Griff posts are almost in the same league as the Bright posts for their sheer ‘next please’ value. I don’t mind the Kea replies but again… time factor. It’s the same thing over and over again… I just skim for the good juicy bits.

Griff… I’ve had a look at books by people who believe in humanity changing their ways to reduce their impact on the environment due to carbon etc.. but they just didn’t come across as dickheads like you do mate. That’s the difference.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Bad-Are-Bananas-Everything/dp/1553658310
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January 16, 2013 3:05am
Pete George

Weihana,

I’m a believer in the law of accelerating returns. Looking at the wide range of emerging technologies from artificial food to nanotechnology to biomedical engineering to the exponential rise in raw processing power It would seem more likely that they will live lives immeasurably more advanced than ours.

Not so much pessimistic but wary of an inevitable crunch. The only thing we don’t know is how soon it will be, 10 years, 100, 1000, but one day earth’s gravy train will derail.

With accelerating population and use of finite resources the chances are it will be sooner rather than later.

There will be a number of things this century that we run out of and can’t find a replacement for.

The “law of accelerating returns” is an earth sized ponzi delusion.
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January 16, 2013 6:51am
Yoza

“IT’S A SCAM! But we already knew that…..”

Yeah, a SCAM, like the Earth isn’t flat SCAM, the Earth orbits the sun SCAM or that crazy evolution SCAM.

“For years we have been told by the zealots that, without urgent political action, the Earth will be in real danger from rising temperatures and extreme weather conditions.”

Zealots like Pricewaterhouse Coopers: “The new reality is a much more challenging future in terms of planning, financing and predictability. Even doubling our current annual rates of decarbonisation globally every year to 2050, would still lead to 6oC, making governments’ ambitions to limit warming to 2oC appear highly unrealistic.”
Jonathan Grant, director, sustainability and climate change, PwC.

Leo Johnson, partner, PwC said: “While we’ve reversed the increase in emissions intensity reported last year, we’re still seeing results that are simply too little too late. We’ve now got to achieve, for the next 39 years running, a target we’ve never achieved before.”

“This isn’t about shock tactics, it’s simple maths. We’re heading into uncharted territory for the scale of transformation and technical innovations required. Whatever the scenario, or the response, business as usual is not an option.”
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January 16, 2013 7:17am
Griff

I actual dont give a fuck for your views Left Right and Center or for any of the other uninformed idiots that are ignoring the warnings from science and nature. Those who base their reality on made up story’s from the denial echo chamber are morons
I much prefer to rely on known science than spin
Kea is a total dick And proves this daily This is not only my view. It is the growing consensus of the more intelligent posters on KB
As to catastrophic I fail to see how a warming world will be anything bit If we ignore what we know is coming the impact will be far greater

Watch the world warm, the records will continue to fall, The cost of the impacts for wild weather will continue to rise.

And you who chose to hide from reality will pay the cost whether you like it or not
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January 16, 2013 7:31am
Griff

Yoza you have dropped a decimal point
2 degrees is the low end of current predictions Bye bye American and Australian corn production
6 degrees is at the top of most ranges Bye bye all agriculture in the tropics and dairy farming in New Zealand
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January 16, 2013 7:37am
Yoza

“Yoza you have dropped a decimal point”

No, that was just a copy and paste from the PwC report. 6oC is their way of writing 6 degrees, next time I might put ‘6 degrees’ in brackets to avoid confusion.
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January 16, 2013 8:07am
Griff

Ok yoza

It looks like the formatting for the degrees sign has defaulted to a zero.
Wild claims and doctored numbers are best left to those who are in denial
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January 16, 2013 8:17am
mdsheppeard

Just to note: the idiot called kea here, who has caused a link fest to one of my popular old blogs where I posted under the name kea, is NOT ME. Repeat: this kea is NOT M. D. Sheppeard.
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