General Debate 14 January 2013

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skyblue

Poor poor kiwis in Aust.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10858931
At least Oz are not stupid enuf to provide welfare to Kiwis who fall on hard times, unlike NZ who are too generous.
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January 14, 2013 8:06am
skyblue

We just have the wrong attitude in NZ. If you immigrate to a country you should not be a burden on that country. The lucky country can surely be the un-lucky country if you have no work. Wadda you mean bro, they don’t give us Kiwis the dole!
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January 14, 2013 8:09am
Manolo

Art????
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/visual-arts/8173871/Pataka-director-chased-non-western-art
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January 14, 2013 8:14am
Manolo

Good on Australia for looking after its citizens first.
We should do the same and stop being so generous with people who have no intention to contribute to our country.
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January 14, 2013 8:15am
flipper

Good morning DPF…

It is time David, that you did one of two things: Bring the Stead on Bain thread to a CLOSE, or BAN the 9, or so, trolls that persist with their attempts at re-litigation, may be(s), might be(s), fictions, lies, discarding of evidence, the invention of the someone told me by phone last week (or will do next week), goats and buggery, bullshit “new evidence” line.

Not one. Not a single bullshit statement made by them has been sustained by the three or four (Nostalgia-NZ, Kanz, Rowan, and Judith) patient folk who have shot them all down, time after time, on the grounds of established fact, and truthful analysis/quotation of the written record and established evidence. I have made several postings, almost all (apart from quoting Binnie and the Thomas Royal Commission) dealing with the record of, and the similarity between, the Bain and Thomas cases (post pardon and not guilty), and the disgraceful attempts by the Molesworth Street Cowboys (similar to those of the Waring Taylor Street mob back in 1980), to ignore reality -they wasted our money (millions upon millions), and LOST.

You have declared a somewhat confusing personal position and one that appears to be intent on protecting Collins from the appalling, and frankly, internationally embarrassing mess, which has seen six senior, internationally respected and totally independent Jurists, lecture both our Minister and Court of Appeal ion procedure, ethics and a simple failure to apply proper judicial principles to the Bain case.

But Collins, as a consequence of her stupidity, has placed in jeopardy the good names of the Government, National, and those who worked hard to put it into office in the belief that they would adhere to the principles embodied in the NP constitution.

Nevertheless, it is your Blog David, so you can and will do as you please. But without us Kiwiblog would not be what it is, would it ?

If you are to continue to allow that JFRB group, in the form of Muggins, Dotcom, Gamefisher, Dennis (‘round the) Horne, Pyschomilt, Ross69, Maxine, Scott Chris, and Kimbo, to continue their idiocy, it would be best for everyone if THEY were to do it elsewhere.

The only present benefit is that their machine gun-like repeat postings, and their dancing around issues and truth, has the benefit oif lifting Kiwiblog to the Number One blog – where it should be, of course. 🙂
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January 14, 2013 8:23am
Manolo

I agree 1000% with flipper. Well said.
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January 14, 2013 8:35am
cha

Golly, I had no idea that it was compulsory for KB commentators to follow Bain posts, whatever next?.

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January 14, 2013 8:45am
dime

flipper – those 9 are just batshit crazy.

be careful not to bring them to a GD thread though *shudder*
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January 14, 2013 8:53am
iMP

Why NZ uniformed soldiers should not march in gay parades. BAM!

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/why-our-soldiers-should-not-march-in-gay-parades/
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January 14, 2013 8:53am
hmmokrightitis

flipper, its easy. Ignore them. Works a treat. You should try it.

You will never ever convince an idiot that they are wrong, and merely lower yourself to their level in the attempt.
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January 14, 2013 8:57am
Nookin

One might well think, reading Flipper’s comments, that there is only one side to this argument and that the only way to resolve the debate is to shut down one side altogether. I think a more appropriate approach would be to exclude comments from those who are more intent on personal abuse, intolerance and contempt. I wonder if Flipper now comes into that category?
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January 14, 2013 8:59am
lilman

Fuck off Flipper,Bain and Co HAVE TOO prove he was innocent to receive any cash and they simply have not proven that he was innocent.
Collins is 100 percent right to be careful with MY money.
SO until he has come to show that he is actually not the one who did it then he gets no more of my money spent on him.
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January 14, 2013 9:00am
Viking2

Banks will be frothing at the mouth now that the Gay Parade is on again.
Great spectacle of creative energy.

Perhaps he will stay indoors with the curtains pulled hiding from the real world of people.
what a waste of Taxpayers money he is.
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January 14, 2013 9:00am
Viking2

About now our PM will be arriving back to consider the latest report from some outfit paid for by the taxpayers and employers.

That report will “advise” him that we need to raise the minimum wage once more again this year.

Just wait and see.
Its a sure bet if ever there was.

Dumb action as well.
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January 14, 2013 9:03am
Viking2

The Bain page should be replicated for those that want a warming or no page.
That would leave a few of us more interesting people here at GD able to get a word in about important matters.
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January 14, 2013 9:05am
joana

Viking2
Ask someone you know in the police what their nick name is for Banks. You will be shocked.
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January 14, 2013 9:06am
Griff

Give them a nice shinny new thread
as reward for their dedication

Some thing like

All people who wear jumper x must be guilty of a crime

I killed my family because my best friend preferred goats

or killing siblings for fun and profit

I do so like to see other Posters busy with their own personal obsession
mines AGW
whats yours
if you answer homo sex are you are a TRUE Christian
if you answer cricket 😆
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January 14, 2013 9:09am
dime

iMP- cant be assed linking to your blog. why shouldnt they march in the parade?

if some gay fella wants to serve his/her country and protect dimes way of life then they can march where they like 🙂
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January 14, 2013 9:10am
labrator

Shit DPF, you’re looking good mate!
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January 14, 2013 9:23am
Lance

The Aussies have lying down to an art form.
Vociferously criticize NZers as a burden, change the rules to treat ALL NZ migrants as an underclass. Violent several international laws on human rights (no problem there, been doing it for the last 200 years or more).

Ex pat NZ cost to AUS $1 Billion, tax take from said NZ bludgers $2.5 Billion.

The very least they could do is allow a lower tax rate for the Kiwi’s for the seriously reduced societal benefits.
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January 14, 2013 9:25am
MT_Tinman

DPF, please ignore Flipper and keep the “nine” happy over there for all time.
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January 14, 2013 9:26am
Falafulu Fisi

DPF, are you related to the great John von Neumann?
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January 14, 2013 9:28am
dime

lance – its just not fair wah wah wah if they contribute 2.5 billion then by god they should get that much back! plus the benefits of higher wages etc
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January 14, 2013 9:29am
David Garrett

Joana: Do tell us what “the police” call John Banks…you are an anonymous commenter on a blog! Be brave! Nothing can happen to you…
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January 14, 2013 9:35am
hmmokrightitis

Correct me if Im wrong. Those who chose to leave NZ for Australia were not forced at gunpoint and, IIRC from my lawyering days, ignorantia legis neminem excusat. They went of their own free will, knowing, or should have known, what the laws were.

They happily pissed off for coin. Their problem, not mine, not ours. Bleat all you like – you chose to go. Please feel free to stay.
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January 14, 2013 9:37am
RRM

Two thousand, six hundred and seventy-one comments on the Bainoholic thread as of right now. I think that’s awesome. 🙂

Don’t listen to the haters DPF, let those who will, continue to amuse themselves over there. They’re happy, and it doesn’t really harm anyone.
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January 14, 2013 9:37am
Dean Papa

“..change the rules to treat ALL NZ migrants as an underclass”

didn’t the rule changes just mean NZers were treated the same as any other migrants? If they want more entitlements, then apply to become permanent residents, or citizens. I find it difficult to have much sympathy for those few who have lived in Oz for decades, never bothering to become a citizen, and then whine when they find out they are now too old to to qualify for citizenship.
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January 14, 2013 9:39am
hmmokrightitis

Maybe its along the lines of the name that the DPS has for Mr Helen Clarke 🙂
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January 14, 2013 9:40am
Lance

No dime
It’s means the Aussies making political gain by bagging Kiwi’s are full of shit.

The details are called… facts. But if you think siting facts is just whining then maybe you should join the Labour party.
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January 14, 2013 9:42am
Longknives

Did flipper really just ask Kiwiblog to ban anybody who says Bain is guilty?? That would leave about three people!

So much for freedom of speech….
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January 14, 2013 9:52am
Falafulu Fisi

A brief John Von Neumann Biography which also mentioned his work on the atomic bomb during WW2 Manhattan Project.
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January 14, 2013 9:56am
skyblue

I am not going to say Bain is guilty, but I do believe that Robin Bain did not do it. Happy now flipper:).
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January 14, 2013 9:58am
Manolo

Shit happens: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9799204/Major-operation-to-rescue-amorous-couple-who-fell-over-wall.html
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January 14, 2013 10:06am
James Stephenson

@Manolo. Lovely little town is Hawes, I highly recommend a visit to the rope factory as well as the purchase of some Wensleydale Cheese.

Given that the couple were “getting amorous” one is left wondering exactly how much of a euphemism the bloke’s “abdominal injuries” are…*crosses legs*
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January 14, 2013 10:16am
Kea

Today’s Science Quote

“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”
– Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
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January 14, 2013 10:17am
KiwiGreg

“Their problem, not mine, not ours.”

@ hmmo – yeah until they come back to NZ to claim welfare after a lifetime of paying taxes in Australia.
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January 14, 2013 10:19am
Manolo

Weeds are bloody hard to kill.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9797530/As-Hugo-Chavez-fights-for-his-life-Cuba-fears-for-its-future.html
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January 14, 2013 10:20am
dime

God I hate living in a Nanny state. Councils make me sick.

Do anything to your house and the council now has the right to come into your house to check smoke alarms! even if youre doing something that has nothing to do with your actual dwelling. like getting a swimming pool permit!

“This provision applies to all new household units, additions and alterations, or a change of use to
existing household units. There are no exceptions to this requirement; this means that if an owner
of a dwelling adds or modifies a dwelling in any way, a building consent shall not be issued until
smoke alarms are shown on consent documentation as per the requirements of clause F7.”

when did we start letting the govt come into our houses for shit like this?
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January 14, 2013 10:23am
Manolo

Never mind, dime. Socialist Labour would even dictate the type and wattage of your light bulbs.
Meanwhile, Labour lite just sails on doing nothing to reverse the nasty trend of intrussion in our lives.
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January 14, 2013 10:27am
Griff

Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
says it all
Unless you have a handy time machine you could lend them that’s the only option
Same with much science its done on computers in 2013
No one has seen the inside of a star or the electron valance of an atom or the future
Its all done with computer models and humungous equations

Luddite
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January 14, 2013 10:30am
muggins

I
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January 14, 2013 10:32am
Manolo

You forgot to add that it’s also done with a few grams of the finest Red Colombian. Way to go, Luddite.
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January 14, 2013 10:33am
Andrei

But but but Dime we top the Human Freedom index according to this

Count your blessings nobody is telling you when you can take a pee ….. yet
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January 14, 2013 10:41am
labrator

@dime got a link for that? It’s like people don’t actually own their own houses anymore, they just rent them from the council. You have to ask the council for permission to do anything to your own property.
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January 14, 2013 10:41am
muggins

I see flipper has made a post re the Bain threads earlier today in which he/she refers to Judith Collins.

In my opinion Judith Collins,because she saw/suspected that the process by which Canadian judge Ian Binnie reached his conclusion was flawed exersised her ministerial prerogative to get a second opinion because the buck stops with her in terms of what gets recommended to Cabinet.
Her integrity is the only thing keeping this issue alive. She could have taken the soft option of saying “The commissioned report from Justice Binnie recommends compensation and that is what I will recommend to cabinet”.
She didn’t do that.
I say hats off for Judith Collins.
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January 14, 2013 10:41am
dime

Manolo – doesnt that blow your mind?

I cant recall anything else like this. the fuckers actually coming into your home! and for smoke alarms!!!
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January 14, 2013 10:43am
Kea

Griff, using computer modeling if fine. No problem there. The problem is when the outcomes predicted by the models do not match observation. Empirical evidence should come before computer generated scenarios.

“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
– Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
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January 14, 2013 10:44am
Keeping Stock

Flipper has been one of the key proponents of the Give David Bain the Keys to the City brigade. One has to wonder why he now wants debate to be cut off; is he getting shot down in flames?
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January 14, 2013 10:50am
dime

labrator –

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/buildingpropertyconsents/practicenotes/ac2209domesticsmokealarms.pdf

at least they are exempt from further maintenance checks ffs
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January 14, 2013 10:53am
hmmokrightitis

KiwiGreg, again, dont care. I suspect those that go are in fact ‘workers’ – they got off their arses to go – and so will actively seek work should they come back. TBH, I think this is summer media beat up territory, and the vast majority of Kiwis in Aus dont give a shit. And good luck to them for going – hell, I did ten years away, best decision I ever made to leave NZ, closely followed by coming back.

So, how many in Labour who bleat about losing people overseas have themselves worked overseas? I can name a few without breaking sweat. Hypocrisy, much?

On another note, I have a new Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper FSR Carbon 29’er. All is well in my world 🙂 (Attention James S, bike talk thread takeover attempt ) 🙂
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January 14, 2013 11:06am
Griff

Do you want me to quote mine

Dissuade teachers from teaching science
is my all time favorite. Lol

Empirical evidence should come before computer generated scenarios.
Yes kea far more weight should be given to Empirical evidence
But then you have nutters like you that then refuse to accept Empirical evidence
You Know its called denial
record melt
record temperatures
record wet
just as predicted prove the models

From a leaked heartland document
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v475/n7357/full/475423b.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20110728
http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute
http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute
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January 14, 2013 11:14am
Rowan

Flipper
DPF is allowing these trolls so that they can demonstrate their stupidity, complete lack of understanding of common sense and to tell the public of NZ how ignorant they actually are, remember ‘they are always right’ they no better than the PC, Jury, Binnie etc.
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January 14, 2013 11:18am
muggins

Rowan
No-one demonstrates their stupidity better than guess who?
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January 14, 2013 11:30am
Kea

Griff, you may have noticed I am sticking with “science” and your fellow AGW alarmists statements.

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

“Human beings, as a species,
have no more value than slugs.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
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January 14, 2013 11:34am
muggins

Rowan,
As I posted earlier,a post you probably didn’t read because you say you don’t read my posts, if it wasn’t for Judith Collins’ integrity the issue of Bain’s compensation would not still be alive. She could have taken the soft option of saying
“The commissioned report from Justice Binnie recommends compensation and that is what I will be recommending to Cabinet”.
But because she saw/suspected that Binnie’s conclusion was flawed she decided to get a second opinion. I say hats off to her for doing that.
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January 14, 2013 11:41am
Rowan

Not hard Muggins
The troll who pulls out info out of their arse, claims to have all these ‘conversations’ with key witnesses yet cannot back up a single one, who shops around for the best evidence to fit their story despite it being thoroughly discredited ‘clings to it’, and who it is easy to show that is a liar simply by quoting actual evidence back at them. Also who speculates at large in order to find anything to protect the good name of their ‘idol’, now I wonder who that might be!
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January 14, 2013 11:41am
Rowan

Oh yes muggins many thanks to Judys integrity, or should that be shopping around for an opinion that better suits her. As I say JFRB has now acheived something, Binnie read its ‘facts’ and became convinced of Davids innocence.
Well done
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January 14, 2013 11:45am
Griff

– Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! is a radical environmental advocacy group

In your fucked up little world politicians and journalists may be scientists
And obvious quote mining may support an argument
In reality it is you that it reflects on
Trying to be a tabloid journalist is not debate kea
Its merely proving you have nothing to back your whacky world view.

Keep going kea the more you post on the debate the more you expose your lack of content.
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January 14, 2013 11:56am
Kea

In your fucked up little world politicians and journalists may be scientists

I have posted plenty of quotes from scientists. “Quote mining” is a meaningless term that you use to avoid speakig to the real issue. That along with personal insults and attempts to discredit the source.

“We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public’s imagination…
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts…
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest.”
– Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the
equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
– Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“Each element, plant, insect, fish and animal
represents a certain aspect of Gaia’s – and our – being.
In a way, we are Gaia’s intelligence and awareness
– currently lost in self-destructive madness.
We must acknowledge, respect and love her for being
the Mother she is to us or we deny our very selves.
Nurture the Mother as she nurtures us.”
– Prof. Michael J. Cohen,
Ecopsychologist
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January 14, 2013 12:01pm
muggins

Rowan
I take it you referring to yourself when you made that salubrious comment
” The troll who pulls info out of their arse?”
Also ,could you explain the use of the word “their” in that context?
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January 14, 2013 12:04pm
nasska

The latest Bain thread must be overflowing…..the loopies are taking over GD.
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January 14, 2013 12:10pm
thedavincimode

…..the loopies are taking over GD.

Same asylum – different ward.
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January 14, 2013 12:18pm
Griff

“Quote mining” is a meaningless term that you use to avoid speakig to the real issue.

No kea quote mining is when you take a statement out of context or change the statement to change the meaning

Like not continuing on with “Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest.” “I hope that means being both.”
– Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

Quote mining is the deceitful tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner’s viewpoint. It’s a way of lying. This tactic is widely used among Young Earth Creationists in an attempt to discredit evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as “contextomy” or “quote mining”, is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning
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January 14, 2013 12:19pm
Manolo

It seems you are a patient man, davinci. Fortunately, I’m not prepared to endure the Bain-obsessed nutters.
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January 14, 2013 12:22pm
labrator

@dime thanks for the link. What incredible crap. We bought the most expensive smoke alarms as recommended by consumer but they don’t fit the criteria:

In addition, they shall provide a hush facility having a minimum duration of 60 seconds.
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January 14, 2013 12:32pm
Pete George

David Clark’s bill to Mondayise Waitangi Day and Anzac Day public holidays when they fall on a weekend will continue through parliament this year.

National Business Review have run a reader’s poll on this and it shows fairly strong support for the bill.

In a poll conducted between January 7 and 13, subscribers were asked: Should public holidays be “Mondayised?”

Seventy-one percent of respondents said yes, while 29% disagreed.

POLL: NBR readers verdict on ‘Mondayising’ public holidays

The bill passed the first vote with a slim majority with Peter Dunne joining the Labour, Green, Mana, Maori and Labour parties in support.
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January 14, 2013 12:33pm
RightNow

Big fail griff

“Dissuade teachers from teaching science
is my all time favorite. Lol”

That quote is from…. Peter Glieck! Yep, he wrote it himself, and tried to pretend it was from the Heartland Institute. But although he was caught out lying guess what griff says:

“True or not who cares” -griff 2012

You’re the proven liar here griff.
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January 14, 2013 12:36pm
Dotcom

DPF, I’m sure that a lot of Bainers would only be too pleased to respond here, as would only be fair, to the utterly biased comment above by Flipper, who has been totally contradicted and ridiculed on the Bain threads as a pompous git and fraud, and has thus disappeared tail between the legs.

We would love to be able to continue the very fruitful Bain debate here, without having to download 2,500 comments every time we do comment. But if we do, it will be because Flipper migrated the issue here, in a comment that screams out for right of reply.

Dirty smarmy tactics Flipper. Come back over and get your licks where you were resoundingly howled down already more than once. Don’t impose further here on the GD regulars, where people will resent you, Flipper, for your transgression, not me Flipper for exercising justified right of reply. Now then, I am going straight back, Flipper. I suggest you STFU on GD right now, on the Bain topic. Or you are soon going to be a very unpopular commenter on GD as well.
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January 14, 2013 12:38pm
nasska

thedavincimode

It could be that the position of ‘Paramount GD Loopy’ is vacant…..I understand that as from yesterday the Great Blogger is rejoining the fantasy world & will again be fighting the commie hordes in the name of justice, conservatism & Sarah Palin.

In other news there is now a vacancy at the Tauranga Pensioner Flats.
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January 14, 2013 12:40pm
dime

“slim majority with Peter Dunne joining the Labour, Green, Mana, Maori and Labour parties in support.” like a good populist.
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January 14, 2013 12:45pm
Dotcom

Besides, what’s so unreasonable about exactly 8,643 comments on 12 Bain threads since 1 December? Not an estimate. It’s an exact count.
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January 14, 2013 12:51pm
Dotcom

Some people are carrying on like it’s at least 9,000, fgs.
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January 14, 2013 12:52pm
dime

Dotcom – get help.

Seriously. or get outside. its summer.

See if you can unplug from the net for 4 hours during the day.
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January 14, 2013 12:59pm
Manolo

Dotcom – get help.

No, do not. Just eff off.
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January 14, 2013 1:03pm
muggins

There have now been 2735 comments on the C K Stead on Bain thread,but I get the feeling it is on it’s last legs.
I reckon the message has gone out to the proDavidbainers to stop posting. When you’re in a hole stop digging.
And of course once the proDavd’s stop posting the proRobin’s will as well. Simple as that.
So my prediction is that that thread won’t reach the 3000 mark, maybe not even 2800.
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January 14, 2013 1:05pm
Psycho Milt

f you are to continue to allow that JFRB group, in the form of Muggins, Dotcom, Gamefisher, Dennis (‘round the) Horne, Pyschomilt, Ross69, Maxine, Scott Chris, and Kimbo, to continue their idiocy, it would be best for everyone if THEY were to do it elsewhere.

Oi! I presume Pyschomilt is meant to be me, in which case I’ll thank you not to class me as belonging to a “JFRB group.”

My comments on that thread are mostly to point out particularly egregious failures of logic (your insistence on comparing David Bain’s case with that of Arthur Allan Thomas is a good example of one – apologies that I didn’t mention it on the thread).
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January 14, 2013 1:10pm
Griff

RightNow
Absolutely right now
A example of quote mining me

We have a discussion when I point out that the climate denial nutters have quote mind some stolen e mails

The famous climate gate e mails As still posted on the echo chamber blogs as proof
Despite there being eight different Inquiries and reports into these emails by

House of Commons Science and Technology Committee,Independent Science Assessment Panel,Pennsylvania State University,Independent Climate Change Email Review,United States Environmental Protection Agency,Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce,National Science Foundation

Finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct These are still used today by denial nutters to prove wrong doing when all it proves is nutters

How ever when documents are stolen from the heartland institute proving there links and payments to echo chamber and denial blogs and the nutter non scientists

Right now takes the chairman of heartlands word as gospel in his claim the most damning document is a forgery

True or not right now who cares. ……..we still have all the admitted evidence of how the oil industry funds sites like WUWT and The new Zealand climate science coalition as well as paying for nutter non scientists often trotted out by same to prove their rubbish .

This is all in the KB archives Including my commenting on the strategy WUWT was going to take to minimize the damage taken from their blog before the MSM caught on to the story

And some complain my post dont respect these fuckwits 😆 Mad as a bunch of drunk islanders
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January 14, 2013 1:12pm
Manolo

Good letter to today’s Dom Post http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/8173846/Letter-MPs-who-become-instant-experts
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January 14, 2013 1:13pm
Dotcom

Dime, Manolo, thank you for your concern. Assuredly I do get outside for much of the day. One of the rare males who can multitask. Did you notice that Cam generously found mine to be Comment of the Week on Whale Oil Beef?

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/01/best-of-whale-army-5/

I do polarise my audiences, it has to be said.
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January 14, 2013 1:20pm
Maxine

Flipper (1318) says
January 14th, 2013 at 8.23 am:

“Nevertheless, it is your Blog, David, so you can, and will do as you please.”

Yes, he can, and does.
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January 14, 2013 1:21pm
mikenmild

If it’s down to embers now over at the Bain thread, maybe someone needs to go there and pour on some petrol – a separate Bain thread is essential to keep some of the nutters occupied.
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January 14, 2013 1:21pm
Dotcom

Manolo tells me to eff off.

Tell you what Manolo. Consider it done. Now you stay the EFF out of Bain threads,
repeatedly visiting there solely to tell us what threads Comments-Constable-Manolo
thinks that we can and cannot comment on. Deal?

You EFF off Manolo from our comments, hypocrite. I AM gone from here.
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January 14, 2013 1:27pm
RightNow

Conspirawhacky-Griff, given that the fossil fuel industry has funded consensus scientists a hundred times more than any skeptics, I can only conclude that the consensus scientists must be shills for the oil industry since you keep claiming that the pittance any skeptics have received makes them shills. It’s conspirawhacky griff!

You’d have have to be thick as griff to think nobody is getting rich off climate alarmism, whether it’s grant money or the renewable’s industry, or even the insurers/re-insurers hiking their premiums thank you very much suckers.
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January 14, 2013 1:29pm
Kea

And some complain my post dont respect these fuckwits Mad as a bunch of drunk islanders

You can quickly see why Griff is so keen to believe in AGW. He does not like people much and regards them as basically evil. (He is not too keen on coloured folk either it seems.) It is this belief , that humans are bad, that drives most climate alarmists.
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January 14, 2013 1:40pm
Griff

So Old switchery witchery trick 😆

Right now admits that the carbon industry funds climate science denial

Why find the denial right now ?

Because by doing so they have successfully stalled any chance of a reduction of carbon usage.

keeping the profits flowing for the carbon industry for a few more years

The more unfounded doubt they create: The more the globe will warm: The more the catastrophic effects the nutters talk about is likely to happen
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January 14, 2013 1:43pm
Pete George

He does not like people much and regards them as basically evil.

It is this belief , that humans are bad, that drives most climate alarmists.

Jokes are starting early today?
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January 14, 2013 1:46pm
Kea

Griff, do you know what is meant by “Carbon” ? It is ORGANIC material. There is no such thing as a “Carbon Industry”. You made it up. All known life is carbon based. That is a scientific fact. Your as ignorant as people who think there are non-organic vegetables. Lay off the weed and hit the books buddy 🙂
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January 14, 2013 1:48pm
Kea

PG, no it is actually far from funny what these social misfits would impose on us, if they get their way.
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January 14, 2013 1:49pm
muggins

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/eyewitness-testimony-of-plan-to-commit-crime-while-on-paper-run
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January 14, 2013 1:51pm
muggins

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/broken-spectacles-were-found-in-davids-room-which-david-is-likely-to-have-worn
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January 14, 2013 1:54pm
Kea

muggins, do you think Butcher Bain believes in AGW? I have a feeling he does. He feels socially isolated and issues with people. He ticks all the boxes to be an alarmist.
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January 14, 2013 1:54pm
RightNow

“Right now admits that the carbon industry funds climate science denial”

The old slip in a few lies and hope nobody notices trick eh griff.

A science denier would be someone who doesn’t follow the scientific method:
Question
Hypothesis
Prediction
Test
Analysis
Replication
External Review
Data recording and sharing

You’re supporting the deniers griff. When empirical data doesn’t match the hypothesis, you’re meant to change the hypothesis, not the data. You’re also meant to record and share the data griff, to assist with replication griff. And external review is useless if it’s only done by your pals – witness the Gergis paper for example.

So yes, the ‘carbon industry’ is funding the science deniers a hundred times more than it ever funded the skeptics.
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January 14, 2013 1:55pm
muggins

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/eyewitness-testimony-of-david-intimidating-his-family-with-his-gun
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January 14, 2013 1:56pm
thedavincimode

Don’t be mean and nasty to flipper. It’s just that he can’t count past 3,000 and he’s worried that the thread will grow past his ability to monitor it. That prospect is making his head hurt as much as the prospect of actually reading the reports and Court decisions in order to offer an informed comment
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January 14, 2013 1:57pm
muggins

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/david-had-injuries-consistent-with-a-fight-with-stephen
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January 14, 2013 1:57pm
thedavincimode

muggins

You’re in the wrong ward. Back to your bed immediately!!
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January 14, 2013 1:59pm
muggins

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/the-rifle-magazine-appeared-to-be-planted-next-to-robin-bains-body
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January 14, 2013 1:59pm
Griff

Kea
The problem with that squawk is it exposes your stupidity
I am positive that any one who does not default to nutter understands “carbon industry” even manolo
So you just make your default position obvious 😆
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January 14, 2013 2:00pm
muggins

oops,
sorry davinci,
flipper went and put me off track.
My names Goff and I’m off.
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January 14, 2013 2:01pm
Judith

I just want to say that as a prolific poster on the C.K. Stead thread, I totally agree with Flipper.

It has become obvious that the thread has evolved to nothing but a shyte fight (and yes, I include myself in that).

That sort of behaviour lowers the tone of the blog, and achieves very little.

I believe the community has spoken and out of respect for those that find the continuation of that thread and other similar threads objectionable, I chose to back away, not because I was not ‘winning’ or any other such thing. As they say, its not over till fat lady sings, but because it is starting to offend the hosts and guests of this site, and even though I have no problem in ‘offending’ people in times when the positives for ones cause outweigh the offence, I realise that doing so on the C.K. Stead thread, cannot and will not achieve that.

Time to let it go, at least until there is merit to be gained by taking the bull by the horns, and kicking it up the butt. Cheers!
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