General Debate 19 December 2012

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adamsmith1922

Compliments of the day to everyone
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December 19, 2012 8:05am
Pete George

Metiria Turei was interviewed on Firstline this morning. She justifiably claimed a high pass mark for the Green year.

However the biggest bogey for the Greens is their credentials on financial matters, and this was highlighted by Russel Norman’s promotion of a policy to print money.

Turei confirmed Greens still view this as good economic policy.

Do you still stand by proposal to print money?

Yes we do.

We need to find different tools. Yes, printing money is one of the tools that’s available.

That could turn out to be a millstone hanging round a Green neck.

Metiria Turei reviews the Green year
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December 19, 2012 8:12am
Manolo

Clear as the sky, rapacious as Labour: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8096716/Petrol-price-rises-to-balance-books
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December 19, 2012 8:40am
flipper

Do the greens, probably better described as the red-melons, have anyone with real experience or qualifications in finance, monetary policy or economics?
They have silly little pip squirts like Russel with one L, who regales in his phud on Jim Anderton’s party, and the transplanted US fool, who claims qualifications in transpirt economics/planning, but is clearly suffering from the California disease, and the pompus twit, who briefly attended a school on diplomacy at Harvard. Graham. K is a fool. He is not even a shadow of his brother (notwithstanding the latter’s recent fall from “grace”). But none fail more than the “leader” who continues to advocate the Zimbabwe solution. Oh well, those downy chinned folk that vote green will one day come to their senses. That will be when they require a wheel barrow to carry the price of a kilo of organic…. whatever.

A millstone? Yep. PG is absolutely correct.
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December 19, 2012 8:42am
Keeping Stock

Lockwood Smith is, as suspected, off to London. Whoever succeeds him has a hard act to follow, and we may not appreciate how well he has filled the role of Speaker until after he has gone…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/the-worst-kept-secret.html
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December 19, 2012 8:45am
hmmokrightitis

Dear Toad,

I have a printer at home, ready, willing and able to print. Can you please send me the $100 file. I can start this afternoon, just after I go and buy my new Maserati.

Wow, see, it does work, we just stimulated the economy!! Thats fucking awesome right there!!

Regards,

hmmo
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December 19, 2012 8:54am
Sofia

Pay Bain, says Chamberlain lawyer
‘Appalling’ behaviour by Minister of Justice over independent report makes expat Kiwi solicitor ‘ ashamed’.
Lindy Chamberlain’s lawyer believes David Bain has been treated worse than his own client by the justice system – led at the very top by Judith Collins.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10854962

Key Defends Bain Case Handling
Mr Key said it was not as simple as him getting involved to resolve the claim faster, as the issue was the whether Mr Bain was innocent on the balance of probabilities – a higher threshold than beyond reasonable doubt.
– http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/15656192/key-defends-bain-case-handling/

So the best decision offered to date by the legal system, over 18 years investigation and consideration, was “reasonable doubt” – enough to avoid a guilty verdict.
Who really thinks the major step further, proof of innocence, will magically appear now, especially if the investigators or those reviewing all the evidence are reduced to one person, as was the case with Binnie, or will still be case if another report is called for?
In fact, how can it happen with no new evidence?
File it with Kahui.
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December 19, 2012 8:59am
thedavincimode

hmmokeydokey

In the circumtances I suggest you for the Gran Turismo Sport. Don’t fuck around with the lesser options given it isn’t costing you anything. If the missus wants to go for a family drive you can always get a Roller (which is a better option for towing a trailer to the dump etc).
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December 19, 2012 9:00am
Manolo

It’ll be interesting to hear the opinion of some of the loyal followers of Labour lite in KB.
Will they call the petrol tax hike a “user charge”? A Christmas gift from the party of lower taxes, of course.
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December 19, 2012 9:01am
eszett

931 comments and counting.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/dom_post_on_binnie_report.html

David Bain beats abortion, climate change and gay marriage combined.
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December 19, 2012 9:20am
James Stephenson

In the circumtances I suggest you for the Gran Turismo Sport. Don’t fuck around with the lesser options given it isn’t costing you anything.

A Maserati’s a “lesser option” before he’s even started. In a fuck around free-zone, my recommendation is proper Ferrari, the F12 Berlinetta.
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December 19, 2012 9:22am
Pete George

Manolo, I’m not a loyal follower of ‘Labour lite’, but I’ll call it as it is – a tax increase. Phil O’Reilly also called it on Radion NZ this morning, saying businesses will see it as a negative.

Whether fuel tax and road user charges increases are justified or not in their own right can be debated, they way it’s been packaged with the balanced books for 2014/15 revision makes it look like a cynical means of meeting a no deficit target regradless of whether it makes sense or not.

National run a real risk of being seen to be fixated on a political ‘promise’ regardless of what would be the most sensible course. Prudent managers will adjust to changing circumstances, National look more like they’re trying to protect their political arse on this.
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December 19, 2012 9:28am
nasska

Manolo

While I sympathise with the point you’re making name me a government, who when the coffers were a little bare, didn’t ramp up duties/levies/tax on smokes, grog or petrol. They were easy targets in the 50’s & still are.

Fortunately many of the decent roads we have in NZ today were constructed in the 50’s & 60’s (before Greenies & the RMA) when a $1 allocated to roading was actually used to build the bloody road rather than be squandered on endless reports, appeals, snail welfare & bureaucracy. Even then we paid heavily for the infrastructure we now enjoy.

My first car purchased in 1966 ran on standard petrol costing 2/10d/gallon. A quick visit to http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/0135595.html shows that this converts after 40+ years of inflation to $2.02/litre…..about what we pay now.

The increase is not good news but neither is totally unreasonable.
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December 19, 2012 9:30am
dime

whoever is still commenting on that dom post bain thread is a sad individual. rehashing the same crap over and over and over.

Manolo – this national voter is pissed. wasnt impressed with johnnys flippant, laughing comments on it this morning on zb either.
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December 19, 2012 9:31am
Harriet

“….David Bain beats abortion, climate change and gay marriage combined…”

No.

So far the gay Marriage debate has been a politicly correct conversation – that will change in 2013.

So too will the abortion and euthanasia debates.

Being LIBERAL is about OPEN GOVERNMENT AND OPEN DEBATE -not- WALLS OF SILENCE!
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December 19, 2012 9:37am
eszett

Chill, Harriet. It was a lighthearted comment.

You don’t have to go into overdrive every time you hear the word gay.
I know it’s a matter close to your heart, but you need to relax a bit more. Trust me, it doesn’t hurt one bit if you are relaxed, if you know what I mean. 😉
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December 19, 2012 9:41am
Harriet

Genes determine human choices and the trajectory of human development, we are told. This means that the gay is a programmed automaton and has no choice but to perform those sexual acts which the genes dictate. A full menu of sexual perversions are written into the genes and require only the right opportunity and stimulation to express themselves. This is nonsense, of course. Gays have free will and choice, as do every human being. Sexual perversions must be learned through some combination of experimentation and instruction.

At present, there seems to be no scientific evidence linking particular genes to particular sexual practices. But there is scientific evidence to the contrary. A sample of 90,000 identical twins (who have the same genes) shows no meaningful correlation of the sexual preference for twins raised apart. Fraternal twins had a higher correlation. If genetic determinism was true, there should be 100% correlation. (Source: Bearman & Bruckner, American Journal of Sociology, Vol 107, No 5, 2002)

Race and gender are permanent innate characteristics that are fixed at birth. No moral judgment can be made of race and gender, because no one chooses their race or gender.

By contrast, gay sexual activity is a behavior — and a homosexual orientation seems to emerge in developmental stages. Individual choices and social environment profoundly influence the trajectory of development. Sexual perversions must be learned through experimentation and instruction. Such practices are subject to moral judgments.

In view of these facts and controversies, what we need today is a moral citizenry immune to such brainwashing and disinformation. If we are to preserve civilization in the face of the relentless lies and deceptive techniques of the gay agenda, enough citizens must be willing to stand up for what is right, courageously, and make a difference in the culture war.
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December 19, 2012 9:43am
nasska

eszett

‘Harriet’ is probably reminiscing back to his/her pain filled school days before KY superseded mutton fat.
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December 19, 2012 9:47am
Griff

Yes “harry it” the most important thing is to relax and allow the gay agenda to place six and a half inches where the sun don’t shine
It’s called gay culture

Why won’t you accept your destiny?
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December 19, 2012 9:49am
eszett

Oh dear, Harriet sees gay people everywhere.
Even in the thread about the kid requiring brain surgery.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/12/kids_rights_more_important_than_parental_rights.html#comment-1063854
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December 19, 2012 9:49am
Peter

A Maserati’s a “lesser option” before he’s even started. In a fuck around free-zone, my recommendation is proper Ferrari, the F12 Berlinetta.

One doesn’t need to choose. This is money printing we’re talking about – fire up the laser printer and buy as many cars as you desire.

It stimulates the economy. Apparently.
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December 19, 2012 9:58am
thedavincimode

eszett

That’s because, like Chickenman, they’re everywhere, they’re everywhere …
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December 19, 2012 9:58am
dime

harriet – really? what the hell is wrong with you.
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December 19, 2012 10:04am
PaulD

ref Sophia @ 8,59 “Key Defends Bain Case Handling
Mr Key said it was not as simple as him getting involved to resolve the claim faster, as the issue was the whether Mr Bain was innocent on the balance of probabilities – a higher threshold than beyond reasonable doubt.” Is Key that badly briefed?

“Although his factual innocence has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt, I conclude that it is more likely than not that David Bain is factually innocent according to the lower civil standard of “balance of probabilities” ” Binnie Report
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December 19, 2012 10:12am
Fletch

If you have an Instagram account, it now has the right to sell your photos unless you delete your account by January 16th.

From the BBC –

Facebook’s photo-sharing site Instagram has updated its privacy policy giving it the right to sell users’ photos to advertisers without notification.

Unless users delete their Instagram accounts by a deadline of 16 January, they cannot opt out.

The changes also mean Instagram can share information about its users with Facebook, its parent company, as well as other affiliates and advertisers.

The move riled social media users, with one likening it to a “suicide note”.

The new policies follow Facebook’s record $1bn (£616m; 758 euro) acquisition of Instagram in April.

Facebook’s vice-president of global marketing solutions Carolyn Everson earlier this month had said: “Eventually we’ll figure out a way to monetise Instagram.”

MORE
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December 19, 2012 10:26am
Manolo

Just entered it in Tui’s competition: “National’s petrol excise increase is not a tax, …yeah right!
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December 19, 2012 10:27am
Scott Chris

Harriet, I find it odd that as a man using a woman’s name to comment under you seem so vehemently opposed to your fellow gays gaining equal status in society with your heterosexual peers.

Just come out of the closet already and stop hating yourself.
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December 19, 2012 10:56am
Jinky

hate to have another go at hekia as she’s whanau but she’s not having a good year but seen this on stuff “Hekia Parata is dodging questions on a new investigation after it was revealed officials were lying to schools”
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December 19, 2012 11:13am
Paulus

hmmokrightits

Just seen you changed your mind, and let your girlfriend drive it, so soon…………………
Young blonde, good looking, driving what appears to be the latest Ferrari – black with lid off.
Wow, so easy, and quick to print money.
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December 19, 2012 11:41am
Mark

Longstone looks to have fallen on her sword at the Ministry of Education. Is Parata next?
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December 19, 2012 11:46am
hmmokrightitis

TBH, maybe I spoke too soon. I do like the AMG Coupe, the 6.3L 464 Kw Black series. The issue being its a coupe, there is room for me and the missus, the far-now would have to stay at home.

Yes, its a Merc., I know, but its pretty and sounds lovely 🙂

The missus can have the kid car. I may get both. I can right, its free money time, fucken yay!!!
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December 19, 2012 12:11pm
thedavincimode

If you’re going quad valve European V8, nothing that [tingle down the spine font] red-lines below 8,500 rpm is going to do the trick. I expect that eliminates the AMG.
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December 19, 2012 12:31pm
cha

Oh dear!.
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December 19, 2012 1:57pm
thedavincimode

cha

Shouldn’t that be on the Digital Literacy thread?
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December 19, 2012 2:02pm
bhudson

cha,

Doh!

(That Tolkein had a bloody nerve, ripping off J K Rolwing’s ideas 28 years before she was born! Some people have no shame)
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December 19, 2012 2:15pm
chiz

I wonder how long before either a) Instagram back down, or b) lawyers get involved.
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December 19, 2012 4:20pm
Fletch

chiz, it looks like they have backed down already.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/techknow/instagram-denies-it-will-sell-users-photos-after-backlash-against-new-terms-of-service/story-fnda1lbo-1226540237164

Here is their official response –

http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252135408/thank-you-and-were-listening
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December 19, 2012 4:40pm
Left Right and Centre

They know how to lock them up in the States for murder. Life no parole.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10853463

That’s exactly what they should get here. Why don’t they? Of course they should get a needle stuck in them and be done with it.

Sometimes the crims even hand themselves an instant death sentence in the States by getting shot dead by the very property residents they seek to terrorise. Try shooting someone dead defending yourself, your family, your property in NZ.
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December 19, 2012 4:53pm
publicwatchdog

What do you think of this one Kiwibloggers?

HALLWRIGHT – DAMAGES VICTIM – BUT NOT COMPANY?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8099492/Road-rage-banker-didn-t-damage-company-name

Poor Mr Hallwright has suffered ‘hurt’?

Unlike – “Kim, the victim in the incident, suffered two broken legs and has had multiple operations since the 2010 incident.”

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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December 19, 2012 4:58pm
publicwatchdog

SHOULD HEKIA PARATA RESIGN AS MINISTER OF EDUCATION?

Yes? No?

Have your say……

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8099165/Education-secretary-quits

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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December 19, 2012 5:05pm
nasska

Water Woman

Any updates on the case of the withdrawals from Occupy’s bank account to cover the phone calls yet ?
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December 19, 2012 5:05pm
chiz

Harriet:At present, there seems to be no scientific evidence linking particular genes to particular sexual practices. But there is scientific evidence to the contrary. A sample of 90,000 identical twins (who have the same genes) shows no meaningful correlation of the sexual preference for twins raised apart. Fraternal twins had a higher correlation. If genetic determinism was true, there should be 100% correlation. (Source: Bearman & Bruckner, American Journal of Sociology, Vol 107, No 5, 2002)

The Bearman and Bruckner study used 784 pairs of twins, along with 2355 pairs of siblings. A common problem with twin studies is accurately determining twin-types and this study appears to have done a particularly bad job of it. The 6.7% concordance rate for MZ (“identical”) twins and the 7.2% for DZ (“fraternal”) twins they found might therefore be due to authorial incompetence rather than a genuine result. Other twin studies, of which there have been many, have found higher concordance in MZ twins than in DZ twins. This study is clearly an outlier. I’ve only had a brief look at the paper but there doesn’t appear to be anything in there involving twins raised apart.

It should be noted that if genetic determinism is true than it does not follow that there should be 100% concordance for a trait in MZ twins. Psychologists believe this but that’s because they often have a poor understanding of modern genetics.

Also, it should be noted that while the evidence for a biological component to sexual orientation is good, that doesn’t automatically imply that it is genetic. Genetic differences between people can lead to biological differences but biological differences don’t necessarily imply genetic differences. Identical twins often have different handedness for example.
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December 19, 2012 5:39pm
Elaycee

Ahoy Penny: Why should anyone possibly give a hoot about your questions when you refuse to respond to several that have been raised here already…. including this one:

Are you the same Penelope Mary Bright who introduced herself to a gathering in Auckland as a representative of the Workers Communist League? The meeting was one also attended by John Bernard Minto and Socialist Unity Party man, Bill Andersen.

Yes? / No?

Elaycee,
Attendee: Carterton Dog Trial Selections, Club Hotel, Carterton. 1980.
http://www.save.our.skunks.from.exploitation.org
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December 19, 2012 5:55pm
chiz

A possibly habitable planet may have been found orbiting Tau Ceti – a sunlike star just 12 light years away. The emphasis however is on the “may have been”. The method used has a poor reputation.
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December 19, 2012 6:55pm
Rodders

Thanks for the link, chiz.
Closer to home, I have heard of a has-been politician called Tau, who has a poor reputation.
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December 19, 2012 7:12pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/law-obituaries/9754038/Sir-Humphrey-Potts.html

The Judge who jailed Jeffrey Archer for perjury, it was a shame he never gave him longer
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December 19, 2012 7:48pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/18/neon-roberts-cancer-ruling-judge

And this tart should just be carted off to jail for child abuse , firstly for denying him the chance of his surgery, secondly for naming the poor little bugger Neon and thirdly she’s a New Zealander making a total serious arse of herself
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December 19, 2012 7:56pm
nasska

A new doctor had arrived in town. He could cure anything and
anybody. Everyone was amazed with what he could do –
everyone except for Mr. Thompson, the town skeptic.

Grumpy old Mr. Thompson went to visit this ‘miracle doctor’
to prove that he wasn’t anybody special. When it was time
for his appointment he told the doctor, “Hey, doc, I’ve lost
my sense of taste. I can’t taste nothin’, so what are ya
goin’ to do?”

For that you got to pay first. $100 bucks. After he got paid,
the doctor scratched his head and mumbled to himself a
little, then told Mr. Thompson, “What you need is jar number 47.”

So the doctor brought the jar out, opened it, and told
Mr. Thompson to taste it. He tasted it and immediately spit
it out, “This is gross!” he yelled.

“Looks like I just restored your sense of taste Mr. Thompson,”
said the doctor. So Mr. Thompson went home…. very mad.

One month later, Mr. Thompson decides to go back to the
doctor and try once again to expose him as a fake, by
complaining of a new problem. “Doc,” he started,
“I can’t remember anything!”

“Hmmm, can’t remember anything? Like paying your bills?
In that case, you have to pay in advance. 100 bucks.”

Thinking he had the doctor stumped now, he waited as
the doctor scratched his head, mumbled to himself a little,
and told Mr. Thompson, “What you need is ….
jar number 47, it’s……”

But before the doctor could finish his sentence, Mr.
Thompson was cured and fled the room!
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December 19, 2012 8:00pm
Rodders

PEB @ 7:48pm – and Archer is still entitled to sit in the House of Lords !
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December 19, 2012 8:07pm
Viking2

Remember Paul Henry’s favoute Indian, Shelia Dikshit?

Indian riot police fired water cannons at protesters on Wednesday as some of the crowd tried to tear down steel barricades outside the official residence of New Delhi’s Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit.

Before the violence broke out, protesters could be seen carrying banners and chanting: “We want equal rights for women.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/gang-rape-in-india-sparks-protests/story-fn3dxix6-1226540653658
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December 19, 2012 9:41pm
Viking2

Its Xmas so here is how to tell that you have been really bad.

http://screencast.com/t/EQPjeCK88

😆 😆
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December 19, 2012 9:47pm
Viking2

An Irish priest was transferred to Texas .

Father O’Malley rose from his bed one morning. It was a fine spring day in his new Texas mission parish.

He walked to the window of his bedroom to get a deep breath of the beautiful day outside. He then noticed there was a jackass lying dead in the middle of his front lawn. He promptly called the local police station.

The conversation went like this: “Good morning. This is Sergeant Jones. How might I help you?”

“And, the best of the day te yerself. This is Father O’Malley at St. Ann ‘s Catholic Church. There’s a jackass lying dead in me front lawn and would ye be so kind as to send a couple o’yer lads to take care of the matter?”

Sergeant Jones, considering himself to be quite a wit, replied with a smirk, “Well, now, Father, it was always my impression that you people took care of the last rites!”

There was dead silence on the line for a moment…

Father O’Malley then replied, “Aye, ’tis certainly true; but we are also obliged to notify the next of kin first, which is the reason for me call.”
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December 19, 2012 9:48pm
Viking2

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December 19, 2012 10:01pm
Viking2

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