General Debate 11 December 2012

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Pete George

Clare Curran has confirmed she wrote to the Labour council proposing ways of controlling what Labour party members say online. Basically she seems to want party internet police to stop anyone saying anything she doesn’t like. Next it will be bars. Then water coolers. Then BBQs. And after that she could be Minister of IT and Communication.

Details: http://yournz.org/2012/12/11/curran-confirms-but-key-questions-unanswered/

But some serious questions remain unanswered.

1. Did Clare play a part in gagging Colonial Viper, millsy, Peter Wilson, the sprout and possible others online?

2. Has private information from Red Alert been used in cross matching data with other blogs to identify people using pseudonyms?
(people in a position to know say Trevor Mallard did this last year)

3. Did Trevor Mallard play any part in this over the last month?

4. Has the Labour council approved of this gagging?

5. Has David Shearer approved of this gagging?

6. Should Labour succeed in leading the next Government would similar (anti-government) criticism control be used?
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December 11, 2012 8:08am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Meanwhile, Prime Minister John Key has opened the door to reviving the so-called “waka jumping” law.
“It’s easy to identify the problem and quite difficult to identify the solution,” Mr Key said. “If we could write rules that were coherent and sustainable, I suspect there’d be quite widespread consensus across Parliament . . . It worries when you see an MP leaving and all of a sudden that changes the proportional representation of Parliament that the voters of New Zealand thought carefully about before they voted.”
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8061370/MP-Horan-changes-tack-over-phone-details

What other law does Parliament hesitate to write because it is a little difficult?
Any Party dismissal or desertion should be an automatic consideration of the Employment Relations Authority, as in the case of all other mere workers, with any Court Appeals in a defined time frame during which the Member’s vote remains with the Party he or she was placed in Parliament to represent.
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New Zealand 100% pure

shit still pours into auckland waters..but hey..!..the council has come up with a computer-programme that will tell you how many turds there are to dodge..on ‘any given day’ – so that’s all sorted..eh..?…
– http://whoar.co.nz/

At the moment the main advice from the council and the Auckland Regional Public Health Service – aside from the Safe Swim testing – is not to swim within 48 hours of heavy rain.

“I want to get more clarity and reduce the uncertainty around whether 48 hours is the right time or whether it should be longer or shorter,” Dr Walker said.

Within a year, he said, people would be able to look on the council website for a traffic-light warning system and predicted bacterial levels at most beaches in the council’s Safe Swim programme, although the west coast beaches and some others could not be included.

The model, based on one used in Denmark, is going through its final validation tests.

Dr Walker expects it to be used for the ironman event in January whose swimming course ends at the Viaduct steps, a water body the study showed can be contaminated with sewage to highly hazardous levels after rain.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10853190
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December 11, 2012 8:15am
Chris2

MP Brendan Horan thinks 144 calls to the TAB over 10 months on his Parliamentary Services-issued phone is OK because the cost of the calls amounts to less than $20.

What about the hours of tax payer funded work time he spends researching his gambling activities before making these calls? How many hours of his Parliamentary day is he wasting studying up track and horse form, before making these 144 calls to the TAB?
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December 11, 2012 8:21am
graham

Ms.Curran said she had sought discussion at the party council level about what was an ”acceptable” standard of behaviour …

Umm, Pete, you have an article on your blog where you try and suggest ground rules for commenting on blogs. http://yournz.org/2012/09/21/good-blog-commenting/

Every commenter should read this and take on board some sensible principles of good blog commenting. If we learn from this we will all make our blogs a wee bit better.

And you have frequently expressed your opinion on comments that you find to be unacceptable. Remember chastising Whale and others for “what I think is an irresponsible post promoting firearms violence, which is bringing out the worst of cowardly commenters”?

The only difference, so far as I can see, is that you have “requested” or “suggested” that people not comment on certain topics. As opposed to Ms Curran who is actively trying to control it.
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December 11, 2012 8:24am
Nookin

Didn’t Curran say she wanted a state controlled radio station? What was it to be called — Pravda-on-Air?
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December 11, 2012 8:40am
Pete George

Umm, graham, do you not see that there’s more than a wee bit of difference between challenging people face to face on blogs where they have the right of reply and can tell me to get stuffed (as some do), and using private information, crossmatching data and using intimidation and threats to gag people.

Curran isn’t just trying, she’s succeeding in scaring people off and wants to shut down more.

And another wee difference, there’s no way I’ll be Minister of IT and Communication from 2014, and there’s quite a chance she will be.
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December 11, 2012 8:40am
flipper

Say Puzzled in northern Wairarapa…..
J. Key did not actually say that.
He simply outlined various alternative scenarios and said it would be difficult to write a hard fast law to cover all possibilites.

Actually, I suspect J.Key et al are not displeased with the Horan situation. There are legal aspects to it that might give the Nats an opportunity to stick it up the pointy heads on the Electoral Commission. If the latter had the gonads to write a cast iron set of rules for all party lists (selection/ experience/variabiliuty etc etc etc) MMP might acquire more standing.

As it is, J.Key has an opportunity now to say ” NO change” or to bring in list rule changes that solve the Horan situation, but have the minors tearing one another to bits.

That would be fun, would it not?
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December 11, 2012 8:44am
graham

But you are both trying to control what people say, albeit in different ways.

And you don’t just challenge people face to face on blogs, you also have a tendancy to zap back to your own blog and write about them there, often reposting comments they have made on Kiwiblog with your own analysis.
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December 11, 2012 9:01am
dime

Penny George – this is still going on? how about a max of 5 posts a day?

As for Dimes issue of the day. I see the NZRU have released the nominees for MAORI player of the year. WTF!

NO mention of white player of the year..
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December 11, 2012 9:03am
David Garrett

Has anyone noticed that the PM effectively intervened on Horan’s behalf yesterday, by saying that calls to the TAB on an MP’s phone are not in breach of any rules (he is correct) and making an analogy with his own calls to his wife and to restaurants to book meals (hardly likely given the bevy of assistants he has, but that’s by the by)

Last week Key kept right out of it, or said “It’s a matter for Mr Horan and his party.” Now he’s sticking up for him. Has there been a quiet chat which has increased the Nats’ majority on matters other than confidence and supply by one ?
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December 11, 2012 9:13am
Pete George

FFS graham – and you’re not trying to control what I say?

I don’t control what anyone says. It’s kinda normal for bloggers to zap back to their blogs and write about things, what the heck do you think DPF and Whale do? Anyone is welcome to comment on my blog, or challenge me here or a number of other places. I doubt you could find anyone more open to and available for discussion than me.

But well done, I guess you’ve found the ultimate insult, comparing me to a paranoid Clare Curran.
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December 11, 2012 9:23am
dime

DG – quite possibly! youd think the guy will want to vote the opposite of NZF on everything he can. he seems the type.

but good on him for staying in parliament to help out the little guy! the fact he will still pull 150k a year is just an unforeseen bonus…
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December 11, 2012 9:24am
Pete George

A claim that fits with some of what is already known but also says that during or after the leadership battle last year Mallard, Robertson and Coatsworth were involved in identifying and banning people whose comments they didn’t like.

And Shearer was let in on some of the picture.

Is Curran just the tip of the Labour iceberg?
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December 11, 2012 9:31am
dime

“Is Curran just the tip of the Labour iceberg?”

“Does Penny George pay DPF for all the ads he runs on kiwiblog?”
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December 11, 2012 9:33am
graham

Pete you’re quite correct – I’m not trying to control what you say. But you do want to control what people say, just not in such an open way as Clare.

You suggest ground rules for commenting on blogs, stating that “every commenter should read this and take on board some sensible principles of good blog commenting.”

You frequently opine on comments that you find to be unacceptable, “calling out” what you see as irresponsible posts.

You don’t have the power that Clare has, or lusts after, but you do wish that everyone was as sensible and responsible as you are when it comes to commenting on blogs, and you attempt to influence people in this.
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December 11, 2012 9:40am
Elaycee

dime:

“Does Penny George pay DPF for all the ads he runs on kiwiblog?”..

Heh…. 😀
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December 11, 2012 9:45am
peterwn

DG – John Key is aiming a rifle with a bent barrel at Brendan Horan. The barrel actually points at Winston Peters. Now who did leak Brendan’s phone records – either Parliamentary Services or Winston’s office or who else?
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December 11, 2012 9:59am
greybeard

I’m just an old bugger who knows little about the fine arts of blogging but one thing has puzzled me: why does this guy Pete George, who has his own blog, spend so much time on Kiwiblog ?
It’s a bit like the CEO of Vodafone making all his phone calls using a Telecom mobile.
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December 11, 2012 10:02am
Chi Hsu

Chris2 (557) Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:21 am

MP Brendan Horan thinks 144 calls to the TAB over 10 months on his Parliamentary Services-issued phone is OK because the cost of the calls amounts to less than $20.

What about the hours of tax payer funded work time he spends researching his gambling activities before making these calls? How many hours of his Parliamentary day is he wasting studying up track and horse form, before making these 144 calls to the TAB?

As far as I’m aware, there is no specific job description for a MP other than perhaps general duties such as turning up to Parliament to vote.

Brendan Horan was elected as a representative of the New Zealand electorate, in this instance namely gamblers, who make up a portion of society.

New Zealand First received 147,544 party votes at the last election. Whether or not hours spent on work related to gambling was value for vote is something for those voters to consider – otherwise he was simply carrying out work as a MP.
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December 11, 2012 10:02am
David Garrett

Chi: Good Lord….reading your comments is like watching your brother completely fuck up his part in the school play…

Aside from “turning up to vote” Oh dear….

Ach, why am I bothering? More to the point, why are you wasting your time on political blog when you clearly know less about the political process and the life of MP’s than my seven year old son?
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December 11, 2012 10:09am
RightNow

Pete George and graham, both expressing their freedom of speech.

It certainly seems to me, graham, that you’re trying very hard to influence the comments Pete makes, just like dime did:
“Penny George – this is still going on? how about a max of 5 posts a day?”

But then this is freedom of speech – from you, from dime, and from Pete. I defend all of your rights to do so, but frankly graham you’re being a hypocrite.
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December 11, 2012 10:23am
Chi Hsu

David Garrett (3,029) Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:09 am

Chi: Good Lord….reading your comments is like watching your brother completely fuck up his part in the school play…

Aside from “turning up to vote” Oh dear….

Ach, why am I bothering? More to the point, why are you wasting your time on political blog when you clearly know less about the political process and the life of MP’s than my seven year old son?

Ironically, I base my comments on a speech made by your former party leader:

“ACT campaigned for three years to get into Parliament with as a new “less tax, less government” party and we achieved 6.2% of the vote and got eight seats. I’d worked very, very hard, but I was like the dog chasing the car, having arrived in Parliament following the election I didn’t know what to do. No MP gets a job description, you don’t have a boss and I flew to Wellington and I went in and got an office and I was sitting in my office wondering, “What does an MP do”? There are MPs that have been there for twenty years and still ask that question.”
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December 11, 2012 10:25am
OneTrack

Clare Curran -what’s the problem. She is just doing what all good left-wingers do, isn’t she – standard Socialism 101 – suppress dissenting voices. “the cause” justfiies it, nay, demands it.
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December 11, 2012 10:26am
graham

RightNow – pray show me where I have said, “Pete, stop posting this” or “Pete you shouldn’t post this” or “Pete, FFS shut the hell up”.

I’ve just pointed out the evidence that shows – IMHO – that Pete is guilty of doing what he berates Clare for.

But, as it appears to upset you so much, I’ll follow point 10 of Pete’s Guide to Good BLOG Commenting and frack off.

http://yournz.org/2012/09/21/good-blog-commenting/
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December 11, 2012 10:37am
krazykiwi

Love this one line analysis of the recent Green & bureaucrats rent-seeker beach party in Doha:

Climate negotiators at the most recent conference on global warming were unable to reduce expectations fast enough to match the collapse of their agenda.
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December 11, 2012 10:37am
RightNow

graham, don’t bugger off because of me, I was simply trying to say we all enjoy freedom of speech here with very lax boundaries (thanks DPF). I apologise if you think I was trying to make you shut up, I wasn’t.
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December 11, 2012 11:04am
Pete George

graham, if I did what Clare and Trevor do I’d from the same party as you and mining data on party websites to discover your identity, then threatening to out you unless you stopped criticising me, with your party leader’s support.

I’ve done nothing like that, nor have I whinged about how much you comment and what you comment on.

If you said something I disagreed with or thought was offensive I’d possibly exercise the right DPF gives me to express my opinion, but that wouldn’t change your ability to keep expressing yours.

Rightnow is correct, you’re being hypocritical. Recently you attacked me in a similar fashion complaining about the topic I had brought up, then when DPF posted on it you went happily commenting there.

And I’ve never thought everyone should be like me, there’s not enough bandwidth for a start. I enjoy a variety of opinion far more than some of the narrow minded persons frequenting Kiwiblog, you know, the ones who seem to hate anyone speaking outside their areas of interest.
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December 11, 2012 11:25am
RRM

I keep reading references to something called “RIP” that I believe can hide posts by any posters you choose – where can I get it?
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December 11, 2012 12:15pm
dime

Penny George – just boring people into submission.
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December 11, 2012 12:16pm
Ryan Sproull

RRM,

The add-on for Chrome and Firefox is called “Remove It Permanently”, and the script for Kiwiblog is at http://ripwiki.pbworks.com/f/kiwiblogcomment.rip

Edit the script and replace “an idiot” with the name of the person you want to block out.
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December 11, 2012 12:27pm
RightNow

Ryan, does RIP work for Chrome now? I thought it was Firefox only.
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December 11, 2012 12:32pm
jaba

had to go to Greenlane after work yesterday to pick-up a bike. There were about a dozen people outside a house with a Chinese flag in the front yard holding Free Tibet banners .. WTF was that about and NO, I didn’t see Wussel Norman there
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December 11, 2012 12:34pm
Ed Snack

RRM, careful with RIP, you can finish up with remarkably truncated topics, especially when the “signal to noise” ration is high !
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December 11, 2012 12:36pm
dime

RRM – id be devastated if you were cutting me loose!

youre so close to joining us on the right. hell, you actually have. you just havent realised it yet 🙂
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December 11, 2012 12:53pm
RRM

I could never RIP you Dime. You’re special to me.
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December 11, 2012 12:55pm
Reid

Strangely fascinating:

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/b4_EdJ-XkUA?rel=0
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December 11, 2012 12:56pm
Ryan Sproull

I’ve only ever RIP’d one person, and that was philu, and my experience of talking and arguing with people on Kiwiblog was not diminished by it.
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December 11, 2012 12:57pm
RRM

I must be doing it wrong.. opened with notepad and replaced ‘AnIdiot’ with the actual username.

Tried leaving the quotes around the username in place, tried removing the quotes. Still no good. Have been restarting firefox each time. 🙁
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December 11, 2012 1:02pm
RRM

Got it!

url=”http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/* – wrong

url=”http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/*- right!
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December 11, 2012 1:13pm
Lance

Our old friend Ewen McDonald had his parole application rejected.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10853302
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December 11, 2012 1:19pm
Elaycee

In the current debate between Ross Taylor / Mike Hesson, I was actually stunned to hear of an incident from Sri Lanka…. apparently, Taylor had a bad gut and there was doubt whether he could play in an ODI. Brendan McCullum was injured so Taylor suggested to Hesson that Kane Williamson should be primed as the stand in Captain. Apparently, Hesson told Taylor that he didn’t want Williamson and that he preferred….. Nathan McCullum!

Whaaaat? Hesson wanted Nathan McCullum as Captain of the Black Caps?

Yup – I’ve just found the article (Hoorald)…..

While Taylor and Hesson enjoyed a prickly relationship, it was well-known the former Otago coach was much more connected with Taylor’s replacement. But Taylor revealed Hesson’s fondness for McCullum’s leadership skills extended to the wicketkeeper’s older brother Nathan.
In the second ODI against Sri Lanka, with Brendon McCullum injured and Taylor laid low by a vomiting bug, captain and coach clashed over who would assume leadership duties should Taylor succumb to his illness.
“I mentioned Kane Williamson should be captain if I wasn’t there and Mike Hesson said Nathan McCullum would be captain.
I did my best to stay out on the field.”

I had to read this twice… Nathan McCullum! Captain of the Black Caps! Jesus wept…… Is Hesson the full quid?
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December 11, 2012 2:16pm
Harriet

There are far too many stupid people in NZ.

Now I’m not saying we should kill them all or anything, but we should at least look at taking the warning labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself.

Well I’m right…..moral relativity and that……… 😎
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December 11, 2012 3:39pm
RRM

Ed Snack –

Yes I can imagine… but I’m only blocking 2x forum users at the moment, just annoying lightweights and neither of them has made a single comment worth reading EVER that I can see.

There are a further 2 I’m toying with the idea of adding to the block list, will think about that for a few days. I’m loathe to cut too many, part of the appeal of Kiwiblog is the entertainment that the nutters provide… 🙂
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December 11, 2012 4:02pm
Nookin

Young J has ruled against the Maori Council on just about every point (just a superficial read so far). There is justice in the world!
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December 11, 2012 4:31pm
Nookin

Here is the summary

[342] I am satisfied that the three proposed decisions of the Crown; the commencement decision; the amendment to the constitution of MRP decision; and the sale of MRP shares decision; are not reviewable decisions. Neither s 9 of the SOE Act nor s 45Q of the Public Finance Act apply to these decisions.
[343] Parliament has decided the four SOEs (including MRP) should be removed from the SOE Act to become MOM companies to facilitate the sale of up to 49 per cent of the shares in the four companies. This case is on all fours with the Commercial Radio85 case from the Court of Appeal. No review of Parliament by the Courts is permitted in law. This is effectively what the claimants have asked this Court to do in these proceedings. All causes of action, save the claim based on s 64(3) of the Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Act 2010 must, therefore, fail on these grounds. These grounds of review were dependent upon one or more reviewable decision by the Crown. I have found there are none.
85 New Zealand Māori Council v Attorney-General [1996] 3 NZLR 140 (CA).
[344] As to the claim of a breach of s 64(3) of the Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Act 2010 I am satisfied that there is no breach. The sale of shares was not a sale that required the Crown to engage with Waikato-Tainui.
[345] If I am wrong in my conclusions at [343] and [344], then I consider each particular ground of review must fail:
(a) I am satisfied that the Crown when proposing to make each of the three decisions will not act inconsistently with the principles of the Treaty. I am satisfied that there is no nexus or connection between the sale of the shares in MRP and the need to provide for Māori claims to proprietary interest in water by way of potential redress or recognition of rights.
(b) I am satisfied the consultation that took place relating to the Treaty protection with respect to the privatisation policy was adequate and that the Crown had not predetermined its stance especially with respect to the Waitangi Tribunal’s shares plus concept.
(c) I do not consider the three decisions or intended decisions of the Crown to commence the legislation, amend MRP’s constitution or sell MRP shares were based in part on the proposition that “at common law no one owned the water”. No error of law was, therefore, established.
(d) I do not consider that the Crown was obliged to allow the Waitangi Tribunal process to be finished. The essence of the first report was already complete with further referencing and typographical error correction to come. The purpose of splitting the hearing was to determine the Waitangi Tribunal’s view as to whether the sale of the shares could proceed without inconsistency with Treaty principles through the first report. The Crown was not, therefore, obliged to wait for the second Tribunal report.
(e) I reject the claim that there was a breached legitimate expectation of Māori either to the substantive claim or the procedural complaints which made the sale decision unlawful. These claims were essentially a repeat of other claims already rejected.
(f) Finally, I am satisfied that there was no breach of natural justice in the process.
Costs
[346] Should the Crown seek costs then they should file a memorandum within 21 days. The claimants have a further 21 days within which to respond.
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December 11, 2012 4:37pm
alex Masterley

Please Mr Crown Counsel, seek costs. Pleeease!
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December 11, 2012 4:44pm
kowtow

greybeard

No one has replied to you about Pete George ‘s posts.

I’ll try.
I believe it’s called “link whoring”. He has his own blog that ‘s perhaps not too popular .By writing here ,there and everywhere (at popular blogs where people do go) he hopes to attract visits to his site.
He ran as a list MP in Dunedin for United Future last time round,so he does “walk the talk” as they say. Mind you he probably lost his deposit.
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December 11, 2012 5:23pm
Manolo

A bankrupt state risks it even more. Griff will be delighted:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/10/california-doubles-down-on-solar-power-as-critics-question-cost-job-results/
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December 11, 2012 6:15pm
Kea

I am often questioned about my claims that the left has taken over Western society.

Here is a story about the EU receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, as riots, protests and civil unrest continue in bankrupted countries. The three men, receiving the prize, dictate to the elected representatives of member countries. They are not elected by those they govern.

http://rt.com/news/nobel-peace-prize-incakolanews-735/

They are:

President of the European Commission. Jose Barroso, a Maoist.

President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, member of the ~~Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei~~ Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands. (or just the communist party will do)

And the (unelected) President of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, yet another socialist who wants to end independent nations.

The European economy is ruined. People are rioting and protesting. Massive cuts are being made to peoples standards of living. The hard working countries are being robbed to bail out the lazy, yet they all are sliding steadily down hill. The fact that this political organisation has been awarded a nobel prize, against this background, show that the left have already won.

Most of the people, who are subject to EU control, never got to vote on membership of the EU. The people who dictate to them are not elected by the citizens, but by others in the same socialist organisation. This is not “like communism” it is communism.
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December 11, 2012 6:35pm
Steve (North Shore)

@ Pete George 8.08am

2. Has private information from Red Alert been used in cross matching data with other blogs to identify people using pseudonyms?
(people in a position to know say Trevor Mallard did this last year)

Yes, although I have no proof. The nastiness in the Labour Party seemed to be more visible with the control in Red Blurt
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December 11, 2012 7:10pm
joana

Another movie for the riot brigade. ”The Innocent Prophet ” created by an ex Muslim originally from Pakistan.
How mad can the madmen get?
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December 11, 2012 7:23pm
Steve (North Shore)

@ RRM
If you are going to use the RIP function I sugest you do it to those who hijack ‘General Debate’ into ‘Generaly Religious Debate’

This is a blog, not a *od botherers leverage site. Merry Xmas.
The others will be along soon
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December 11, 2012 7:38pm
Johnboy

Isn’t Xmas about Yahweh and his family troubles Steve? 🙂
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December 11, 2012 7:39pm
Steve (North Shore)

12 12 12 @ 12.12am/pm?
And where? NZ gets it first?
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December 11, 2012 7:40pm
bhudson

^ Steve (North Shore)

It’s all happening at The Malthouse on Courtney Place, Wellington. The taps are being taken over by Epic for a celebration of the end of the world. Or the celebration of a ‘near miss’.

The second would be more fun.
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December 11, 2012 7:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

I hope Wellington is prepared for this, what will we do without a Government and all of the Public Servants?
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December 11, 2012 7:56pm
Pauleastbay

Been pretty quite I think we need apost about how the homo’s are intent on destroying my marriage and Chuck and co can get off on typing anal cavity and rectum over and over and where’s Nasska? Been no 8 o’clock joke for a while
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December 11, 2012 7:58pm
Steve (North Shore)

Clare Curran, do you want United Nations to regulate this in the same manor that you and Trev control Red Alert?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8063974/UN-internet-talks-deeply-divided
Aunty Helen’s favorite UN wants control of the INTERNET
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December 11, 2012 8:05pm
bhudson

I hope Wellington is prepared for this, what will we do without a Government and all of the Public Servants?

Pay less excise and have fewer health and safety regs and costs on the beer being consumed at The Malthouse.

Or is that a bit shallow?
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December 11, 2012 8:08pm
Johnboy

PEB at 7:58.

Thought you were the almost 8-O-clock joke. 🙂
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December 11, 2012 8:09pm
Steve (North Shore)

PEB,
nasska run out of jokes, he even used up my cache, I have no more, neither does Johnboy.

You see PEB, we are now scared of fun, in case some psycotic nutbar uses an even sad kindergarten joke that may bruise the petals.
If this shit keeps up I’m going to commit suicide
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December 11, 2012 8:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

NO MORE JOKES NO MORE JOKES NO MORE JOKES
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December 11, 2012 8:15pm
Griff

Old guys at the whorehouse

Two old guys want to have sex, so they go to the local whore house.
The head whore doesn’t want to give them her two best girls so they give them blow-up dolls.
The old men go at it and when they are done they talk.
The first one says, “I think mine was dead because i tried everything and nothing worked to get her off.”
The second one said, ” OH no, I think mine was a witch because I bit her nipple, she farted and then flew away.”
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December 11, 2012 8:19pm
Johnboy

I’m scared about jokes about jokes of lawyers! 🙂
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December 11, 2012 8:23pm
greybeard

Kowtow – thanks for the info. For a while there I thought I must have been such an annoying lightweight as to not merit any sort of response from anyone.
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December 11, 2012 8:25pm
Pauleastbay

When I was in Iran recently, I saw a sign that said,
‘English speaking taxi driver’.
I thought to myself,
“What a brilliant idea. Why don’t we have them in Auckland?”
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December 11, 2012 8:27pm
Johnboy

I’m a complete idiot greybeard and I can hardly illicit a response from the wise folks here on KB. (except DPF of course) ! 🙂
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December 11, 2012 8:27pm
Johnboy

Ha,ha,ha PEB.

You’ve done well for a lad raised in a hole in the road! 🙂
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December 11, 2012 8:29pm
Elaycee

I was in Brisbane recently when I spotted a car with a bumper sticker that said: I MISS OTARA

So I smashed the window, stole the radio and left a note: I hope this helps
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December 11, 2012 8:33pm
Griff

There’s a redhead walking down a set of railroad tracks saying,”21, 21, 21…”
Then a blonde pulls up, gets out of her car, and says,”What are you doing?”
The redhead replies,”Just counting.”
The blonde says,”May I join you?”
“Yes,” replies the redhead. So the blonde and the redhead are now both walking down the railroad tracks saying,”21, 21, 21…”
A train comes and the redhead jumps off the tracks as the blonde gets hit. After the train passes, the redhead gets back on the tracks and says,”22, 22, 22…”
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December 11, 2012 8:35pm
kowtow

greybeard

Yeah,not even one from Pete george 🙂
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December 11, 2012 8:52pm
mikenmild

Pete George is a bit busy tonight emailing everyone he knows to ask them to vote for Peter Dunne as Kiwiblog Minor Party MP of the Year.
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December 11, 2012 8:57pm
kowtow

milky ,
can’t take that long to send one email.
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December 11, 2012 9:14pm
TimG_Oz

Interesting – The seven countries where the state can execute you for being an Atheist

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/
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December 11, 2012 9:15pm
mikenmild

kowtow
I didn’t say his friend, I said everyone he knows.
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December 11, 2012 9:18pm
Viking2

Clearly the Govt. doesn’t charge litigants enough. The Tainui and their mates are going to appeal.

It seems now hat if you don’t like something you simply take the Govt. to court.
e.g.
Embattled Education Minister Hekia Parata has endured another blow after a judge ruled her decision to close a residential girls’ school unlawful.

The Government proposed shutting Salisbury School in Nelson and moving the students to the Halswell Residential College for boys in Christchurch next year.

Salisbury has a roll of 80 students from around New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8066645/Salisbury-decision-a-setback-for-Parata

So 80 precious wee dears are apparently entitled to a priviledged education on the grounds they possibly more likely to be sexually abused if the had to attend a co-ed school.

Time for the Nats. to HFU and take some tough decisioons.

Oh and your favourite female non political trougher is leading the charge. yep Mai Chen.
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December 12, 2012 6:46am
Manolo

The stupid taxpayers can always help: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8066652/Ratepayers-again-asked-to-prop-up-Zealandia

Zealandia is again seeking money from Wellington ratepayers.

And the request won’t be a one-off, with the interim board chairman admitting the sanctuary is unlikely to achieve sustainability any time soon. “Any suggestion that it’s going to be self-sustaining in the very near future, that would be misinformed. It needs council support,” Kevin Brady said yesterday.
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December 12, 2012 6:52am
Manolo

Drill, baby, drill. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8064404/Oil-giant-to-explore-Wellington-waters

As expected, the Luddites are up in arms.
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