General Debate 27 November 2012

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Reid

Jesus would close them down as fast as the merchants in the temple grounds

They were actually bankers Dave. It’s the only time in the Bible where Jesus is violent. What they were doing was exchanging the people’s goods for the only acceptable sacrifice in the Temple, which was the shekel. And every worshipper had to sacrifice. And they were charging outrageous exchange rates, preventing people from accessing G-d.
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November 27, 2012 6:45pm
Dave Stringer

Longknives (1,813) Says:
November 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Dave- St Patrick was a Catholic

yes, he was also a good man, not thanks to his Roman Catholicism, but due to his upbringing and community. He lived at the hight of the “God for sale” times.

Incidentally, look up the word Catholic – you’ll see that your comment doesn’t make sense without a word like “Roman” or “Anglo” in front of it 🙁
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November 27, 2012 6:46pm
Dave Stringer

Reid

I agree
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November 27, 2012 6:47pm
Pauleastbay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decl%C3%A1n_of_Ardmore

St Patrick was just a Johnny come lately big noter. St Declan brought christianity to Ireland -and do you think he gets a parade and a piss up?, no he bloody doesn’t.

Its always been about PR and the advertising budget
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November 27, 2012 6:51pm
kowtow

dave,this is going to get tedious. The Roman catholic Church up to the various Protestant reformers was to all intents and purposes the ONLY church in Western Europe,from 400 till say 1450ish!One thousand years.

So it’s calendar was everyones ,it’s saints were evryones,it’s feast days were evryones. Everyone was Roman Catholic. The Church was the Roman Church. That’s why the Anglicans recognise people like St Patrick,David etc(Anglicans are practically Roman anyway) Their Nicene creed is our Nicene creed.

“Catholic” means universal and that includes you. And you’re wrong about baptism. I reckon an Anglican baptism would be good enough ffor Rome. And certainly the other 16 or 17 Catholic denominations recognise each other’s rites ,so your blast about RC priest baptism is wrong.
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November 27, 2012 6:51pm
Fletch

I’m not a bass player (I play a bit of guitar) but I like this slinky bass lick from Donald Fagen’s Snowbound. Bass played by his Steely Dan partner-in-crime Walter Becker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7QWtDUjoM
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November 27, 2012 6:53pm
Longknives

What kowtow said…

And I repeat myself- St Patrick was a Catholic. Deal with it!
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November 27, 2012 6:57pm
kowtow

PEB

St Declan eh? Well I go with the Old catholic Encyclopaedia. Para 2 throws doubt on Deccie being before Pat.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15564b.htm
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November 27, 2012 7:03pm
Kea

Some momentary wisdom in the wasteland of “discussion” and “debate” on this blog.

Lee01, So you think cut & pasting a few nonsense quotes is “wisdom” ?

I suggest you forget your pretentious quotes and start thinking for yourself.
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November 27, 2012 7:04pm
Pauleastbay

Kowtow

Sorry, pre- Patrician Saints, St Declan. Pat jsut rode in on the shirt tails after the hard yards were done

I liked the idea so much I named a son after him , mind you in our family there are 15 Patricks , 23 Michaels and bulk Andrews , we had to scratch about for someone that wasn’t named 12 times every generation
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November 27, 2012 7:09pm
kowtow

PEB
We have that problem too!
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November 27, 2012 7:17pm
Longknives

This is great- The Kiwiblog Catholic Men’s Fellowship!
(Just keep it quiet from old buzzkill Ana Lucia- she’ll have us chanting the Rosary..)
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November 27, 2012 7:29pm
nasska

Down on your knees you worthless sinners! 🙂
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November 27, 2012 7:32pm
Longknives

What’s not to like about Catholicism?

http://www.forkparty.com/32557/34-hot-nuns-and-church-girls-pics
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November 27, 2012 7:36pm
Pete George

Try hard rumour of ther day, Damien O’Connor tries to stoke old National leadership rumours with the vaguest non-news possible.

http://yournz.org/2012/11/27/try-hard-rumour-of-the-day/
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November 27, 2012 7:37pm
nasska

A wee Irish boy is crying by the side of the road. A man asks “What’s wrong?” Boy says “Me Ma is dead.” “Oh bejaysus” the man says. “Do you want me to get Father O’Riley?” Wee boy replies “No thanks Mister, sex is the last ting on me moind roight now.”
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November 27, 2012 8:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

I’m just seeing the light. The Catholic light, the Anglican light, the Muslim light, the Mormon light, many lights.

All shit, I turned the light off
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November 27, 2012 8:00pm
Pauleastbay

Longknives (1,816) Says:

November 27th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
What’s not to like about Catholicism?

You mate are going to hell, mind you with your history of punting and liking a beer you are pretty close to being my catholic roll model when I was growing up.
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November 27, 2012 8:02pm
Reid

“Modern man is a prisoner who thinks he is free because he refuses to touch the walls of his dungeon”

What happens if his face hits it?

Brilliant pavement art
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November 27, 2012 8:04pm
nasska

Bud Nelson, from New York; flew to Knock Airport in the west of Ireland on business. As he walked down the stairs from the plane onto the runway he noticed a small Irishman standing beside a long table with an assortment of Human Skulls. “What are you doing?” asked the American. “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “I have to have that!” said Bud and paid him £50.00 in cash. Bud flew back to New York and mounted his Skull on the wall in his Pub. People came from all over America to view this famous Skull. He made a fortune over a five-year period and retired a very rich man. During his retirement, he decided to go back to visit Ireland, the land that made him a fortune. Bud flew back into Knock airport, and while walking down the stairs saw the same Irishman at the bottom of the stairs. “God”, said Bud, “What are you doing?” “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have today?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “Well!” said Bud, I was here almost 7 years ago and you sold me a Skull a little bit bigger than that one there, and you told me then that the skull was St. Patrick.” “Oh yes!” said the Irishman, “I remember you now! You see… This is St. Patrick when he was a boy!”
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November 27, 2012 8:05pm
Viking2

Checking out at the store, the young cashier
suggested to the older woman that she should
bring her own shopping bags because plastic
bags weren’t good for the environment. The
woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t
have this green thing back in my earlier days.”

The cashier responded, “That’s our problem
today. Your generation did not care enough to
save our environment for future generations.”
She was right — our generation didn’t have the
green thing in its day. Back then, we returned
milk bottles, pop bottles and beer bottles to the
store. The store sent them back to the plant to
be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could
use the same bottles over and over. So they really
were recycled. We refilled writing pens with ink
instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away
the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But we didn’t have the green thing back in our day.

We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an
escalator in every shop and office building. We
walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into
a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to
go two blocks. But she was right.

We didn’t have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby’s nappies because
we didn’t have the throw-away kind. We dried
clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine
burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really
did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got
hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or
sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that
young lady is right.
We didn’t have the green thing back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house
— not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small
screen the size of a handkerchief (remember
them?), not a screen the size of the county of
Yorkshire. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred
by hand because we didn’t have electric machines
to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile
item to send in the post, we used wadded up old
newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic
bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine
and burn petrol just to cut the lawn. We used a push
mower that ran on human power. We exercised by
working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to
run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But
she’s right.
We didn’t have the green thing back then.

We drank water from a fountain or a tap when we
were thirsty instead of demanding a plastic bottle
flown in from another country. We accepted that
a lot of food was seasonal and didn?t expect that
to be bucked by flying it thousands of air miles
around the world. We actually cooked food that
didn?t come out of a packet, tin or plastic wrap
and we could even wash our own vegetables and
chop our own salad.
But we didn’t have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the tram or a bus, and kids
rode their bikes to school or walked instead of
turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service.
We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an
entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances.
And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to
receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000
miles out in space in order to find the nearest
pizza joint.

But isn’t it sad that the current generation
laments how wasteful we old folks were just
because we didn’t have the green thing back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old
person who needs a lesson in conservation from
a young person.

Remember: Don’t make old people mad. We don’t
like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take
much to piss us off.
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November 27, 2012 8:48pm
Viking2

A Canadian Cougar sleeping in a tree.
This picture was taken near Algonquin Park.
They look pretty harmless when they are asleep, but don’t be fooled!
They are said to be quite aggressive and down-right wild.

http://screencast.com/t/OrAedF59i
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November 27, 2012 8:50pm
bereal

Couple of times in the past i have wondered why the likes of, say, Scott Chris and Luc Hansen etc. hate
themselves and their own society so much. i couldn’t get it.
But today i saw an axiomatic quote that did explain it.

“There are no limits to white liberal guilt.”

Now aint that the truth ?
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November 27, 2012 8:51pm
Viking2

Who said they are white, plenty of green liberal sprinkled among them.
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November 27, 2012 8:55pm
Viking2

Worst retail conditions in 50 years, says Harvey Norman founder

by: Katherine Jimenez
From: The Australian
November 27, 2012 2:26PM

VETERAN retailer Gerry Harvey has predicted a wave of retail collapses in the months after Christmas, as struggling stores limp toward the festive sales season.

Speaking after the company’s annual general meeting, the Harvey Norman chairman said: Youve seen more retailers go out of business in the last two years than you have seen in the history of Australia and there are more retailers currently under pressure.
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November 27, 2012 9:19pm
Viking2

Trade deficit soars 120pc in Q3 as resources prices slump

by: Enda Curran
From: Dow Jones Newswires
November 27, 2012 3:43PM

IN a blow to the government’s target of returning a fiscal budget surplus, Australia’s trade deficit more than doubled in the third quarter due to a slump in exports of iron ore and coal, preliminary data released today showed.

In the three months to the end of September the seasonally-adjusted deficit rose 120 per cent to $4.65 billion, from $2.1 billion in the previous quarter, said the Australian Bureau of Statistics, or ABS.
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November 27, 2012 9:22pm
Viking2

New Zealand’s economy was in the red to the tune of NZ$718 million in October, Statistics New Zealand said today, with this trade deficit coming in NZ$268 million above the deficit forecast by economists. It’s also way ahead of the NZ$226 million deficit recorded in the same month last year.

The deficit came as the value of exports dropped NZ$423 million, or 11%, to NZ$3.5 billion last month compared with October last year. Economists noted the monthly deficit was way above the NZ$450 million consensus of their expectations. Westpac economists suggested it would rise even higher in coming months due to Christchurch rebuild related imports, and BNZ economist Doug Steel contrasted the 11% annual drop in export values with a 33% rise in house sales, saying this provided a vivid illustration of the current imbalances.

http://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/62225/nz-trade-deficit-hits-nz718-mln-october-equivalent-21-exports-and-deficit-nz226-mln

Not looking too flash around our neighbourhood.
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November 27, 2012 9:25pm
Pauleastbay

VETERAN retailer Gerry Harvey has predicted a wave of retail collapses

and he will have been the cause of a fair proportion of them going out of business.

Bunnings are similar, I go to get a trailer made locally, the engineer tells me, I’d love too but I can’t even put together the axle assembly for what you can buy at Bunnings.

I go to Bunnings, small trailer for a ride on, wired up $1000. That ,for better or worse is why alot of small business are going tits up.

Who can compete with a Bunnings or a Harvey Normans who buy units by the thousands?

I know ,I know, ban all imports and have locals make them supported by the government.. that sounds like a plan
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November 27, 2012 9:32pm
bereal

We seem to be plagued with these self hating, New Zealand hating white liberals.

@ 4.00 on KB today we have some wanker called Mike Joy, who is descrbed as being a “scientist, from Massey university”
now there is a contradiction in terms, ( A ‘scientist’ , from Massey, LOL )

Who reckons he has now discovered that New Zealand is not even in the top half of countries internationally for
being ‘Clean Green.’

Why do these shitheads hate themselves so much ?
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November 27, 2012 9:39pm
bereal

and here we have a total effing idiot.

http://femm.massey.ac.nz/ourpeople-mikejoy.html
This loser should to his speciality, pond scum.
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November 27, 2012 9:54pm
bereal

read the chapter in this idiots biography linked to above titled “Research.”

If you can find such pretentious bullshit crap anywhere about any other ‘Scientists’, research
i’ll go he.
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November 27, 2012 10:15pm
chiz

US considered nuking the moon to intimidate the soviet union.
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November 27, 2012 10:28pm
RightNow

bereal, Death and Joy work together a lot don’t they?
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November 27, 2012 10:41pm
Viking2

And the biggest risk to the outlook is a slowing Australian economy, hurting New Zealand exports.

Trade figures out yesterday showed exports to Australia – New Zealand’s biggest market – were down 4.5 per cent in the past year. Australia accounted for about a fifth of New Zealand’s exports, so a slowdown across the Tasman had big implications for exports, especially for manufacturers here.

The economy is going through its slowest recovery from a downturn in 80 years, and the biggest risk is a slowdown in Australia, according to economic forecasting group NZIER.

In its latest Quarterly Predictions, NZIER says the trudge out of the gloom would take another two to three years.

In a slow and patchy recovery, the New Zealand economy is expected to grow 2.1 per cent in 2013 and only slightly better at 2.6 per cent in the following year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8005903/Slowing-Aussie-economy-seen-as-our-biggest-threat

It was a red October for exporters, with overseas sales down on the same month last year almost across the board for both key markets and main products.

International prices for New Zealand’s main exports are lower, and a high dollar – yesterday it was trading at US82.2 cents – is making the situation worse.

As a result, the trade deficit in October was larger than expected at $718 million because of weaker dairy exports and a slump in aluminium exports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8005902/Trade-gap-balloon-a-gloomy-portent

Planet Key doesn’t sem to think so. Been obvious for 2 years and the orbit at the beehive is more about fighting and scrapping about politics than it is aboput NZ.
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November 28, 2012 6:43am
Viking2

New Zealand’s trade accounts sank deeper into the red last month. A deficit of $718 million was recorded as the country pulled in $1.21 of imports for every $1 of exports.

It pushed the annual deficit to $1.4 billion, up from a deficit of $875 million in the year ended September. The previous two October years recorded trade surpluses.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850380

New Zealand financial institutions are picking a slower pace of price increases in the coming year and are not betting on the unemployment rate dropping below 6 per cent for two years, according to a Reserve Bank’s survey.

Respondents in the central bank’s survey of expectations sliced 20 basis points from their one-year median forecast for the consumer price index to 1.77 per cent, below governor Graeme Wheeler’s long-term aim under the policy target agreement, and the two-year ahead median expectation at 2.3 per cent, down by the same amount.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850317

Its gunna be tough next year.
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November 28, 2012 6:52am
Viking2

Auckland gone mad.
House prices to skyrocket.
Time to move out.

New rules to stop heritage loss could require owners of pre-war homes to prove their case to knock down.

The Auckland Council is considering a region-wide ban on demolishing tens of thousands of heritage and character homes unless owners can prove they are beyond repair.

The proposed new rules are based on the Brisbane model and would apply to all pre-World War II houses. Unlike now, every application to demolish or remove a house would be publicly notified.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850434
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