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jaba

good day for a BBQ
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November 24, 2012 8:02am
barry

I have been watching the development of what can only be called lunacy in the UK for some time now.
Last week some guy was prosecuted for singing a song on a bus. It was a bus of rugby fans returning from a match between Welsh and English cubs and he was singing an ‘anti-english’ tune – apparently some traditional Welsh ditty. Someone took umbrage and complained under the Hate Speech law.

Then I saw this pearl of wisdom – http://blog.decc.gov.uk/2012/11/22/using-wood-for-bioenergy/#comment-57957
It was only a few years ago that greenies were chaining themselves to trees – and now the rot is so bad in the UK ‘alternate energy’ programme that they are going to cut them down to burn them to generate electricity. Now that the windfarm idea has failed – and turned into a massive handout to land owners – they need to look for some other process to wean them off oil, gas and coal. The politics (and science) of climate change has been diverted so far from reality that they are seriously talking of deforestation. I thought trees captured carbon and that’s why it was so desirable to plant them……

And then I came across this. Absolutely brilliant. I don’t know who puts it together but they either have nothing else to do or they are very good at the skill of putting this sort of stuff together. Its also proof that there arestill some very sharp brains in the UK despite the epidemic of insanity that seems to be capturing the place.
http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/ Yes – it is all about UK politics but once you’ve put that in place you can see the wit that behind it.
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November 24, 2012 8:05am
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9698964/George-Galloway-criticises-Syrian-opposition-for-not-lifting-a-finger-for-jihad.html

The odious George – it would be nice if he got out there and got his own blood spilt rather than calling for others to do it.

The rhetoric means nothing George, go on get in the front line and become a martyr. I will mourn your passing !!!!!!!!!!!

George Galloway – oxygen thief extraordinaire
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November 24, 2012 8:10am
Keeping Stock

Quite so Jaba; I would imagine that the Herne Bay butcher has already received an order from the Cunliffe residence for several whole eye fillets.

As for the other David; this piccie was just too much to resist!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/david-shearer-caption-contest.html
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November 24, 2012 8:16am
Pete George

I’ve asked lprent some questions about the use of pseudonyms at The Standard:

– Do multiple people use the pseudonym ‘Eddie’ at The Standard?
– Are you aware of known commenters at The Standard who use multiple pseudonyms?
– Do people who comment under a pseudonym at The Standard post under a different identity (apart from Anthony Robins)?
– You claim the use of pseudonyms on blogs is an important part of the culture. If pseudonyms were misused would that affect the credibility of the culture?

He’s seen these, he’s commented about seeing them but he has chosen not to respond. I think if a blog strongly defends the use of pseudonyms it’s important to know if the abuse the use of them, otherwise it raises questions about all users of pseudonyms.

As Cunliffe found out, not answering a question can be seen to mean something.

http://yournz.org/2012/11/23/questions-for-lprent/

PS I think the use of pseudonyms is fine if it’s a single identity used consistently and honestly.
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November 24, 2012 8:19am
Viking2

Indication of FBI double-cross coup in extradition fight.

A fresh legal bid to throw out the case against Kim Dotcom in the United States is being made after claims of an FBI double-cross.

Evidence has emerged showing the Department of Homeland Security served a search warrant on Mr Dotcom’s file-sharing company Megaupload in 2010 which he claims forced it to preserve pirated movies found in an unrelated piracy investigation.

The 39 files were identified during an investigation into the NinjaVideo website, which had used Megaupload’s cloud storage to store pirated movies.

When the FBI applied to seize the Megaupload site in 2012, it said the company had failed to delete pirated content and cited the earlier search warrant against the continued existence of 36 of the same 39 files.

The details emerged after the US District Court in East Virginia allowed partial access to the FBI application which led to the shutdown of the Mega family of websites.

The High Court released the material after applications from the Herald.

Mr Dotcom said Megaupload co-operated with the US Government investigation into copyright pirates NinjaVideo and was legally unable to delete the 39 movies identified in the search warrant.

Mr Dotcom said: “We were informed by (the US Government) we were not to interfere with the investigation. We completely co-operated.

“Then the FBI used the fact the files were still in the account of the … user to get the warrant to seize our own domains. This is outrageous.

Mr Dotcom said: “We were informed by (the US Government) we were not to interfere with the investigation. We completely co-operated.

“Then the FBI used the fact the files were still in the account of the … user to get the warrant to seize our own domains. This is outrageous.”

He said the revelation was the first insight into the FBI’s case against Megaupload and it showed bad faith on the part of the US Government. “Immediately we hit the jackpot – the first little piece of paper is this super-jackpot.”

New Zealand’s district court has ordered the FBI to provide documents relating to its investigation through an order for discovery. It was currently being appealed.

“I understand why the US is working so hard to appeal the discovery decision.”

Mr Dotcom said the warrant obliged Megaupload to keep the files. It was among a string of legal requests from law enforcement agencies aroun

More here;http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849627

The longer this continues the worse the FBI and its Govt. look.
Key & co need to cut the FBI loose so we the taxpayers in NZ don’t find ourselves up for a horrendous payout.
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November 24, 2012 8:40am
bhudson

good day for a BBQ

Clear, with a high of 21 degrees in Herne Bay today.

Quite possibly a little cloudy over in Mt Albert though…
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November 24, 2012 8:53am
Keeping Stock

I can’t understand why an otherwise-wise bloke like you has been sucked in by Dotcom V2. He talks a good game, but when it comes to fronting up with evidence to back his extravagant claims he is found wanting. And it seems that the media love-fest he previously enjoyed is waning too; other than 3News, the MSM is starting to see through his bluster and narcissism.
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November 24, 2012 9:01am
Yvette

Viking2 – Key & co need to cut the FBI loose so we the taxpayers in NZ don’t find ourselves up for a horrendous payout.
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When a country like New Zealand gives up its sovereignty in policing and allows the FBI to take over operations, as is reputed to be the case, where does the liability rest.
Also, what is done is done – if our Government has fucked up, we will pay.
And for Key to not know details is about as farcical as believing he doesn’t know what is in the Police Report on John Banks Election Donations Returns.
“Lying is that you knowingly and deceitfully mislead people.” – John Key 🙂
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November 24, 2012 9:06am
hinamanu

So now we know why the US is still in Afghanistan despite Bin Laden dead !

Afghanistan claims mineral wealth is worth $3trillion
The Afghan government claims its untapped mineral wealth could be worth £2 trillion and is launching a drive to drum up interest from international mining firms.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7835657/Afghanistan-claims-mineral-wealth-is-worth-3trillion.html
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November 24, 2012 9:43am
bhudson

This is a matter of health and safety!

TV3 (The Nation) had best ensure that Matt McCarten remain sitting for a few minutes after the interview ends – the amount he is spinning, there is no way he could keep his balance if he stood now.

Apparently Shearer has crossed the Rubicon and is now as great a leader as Helen Clark and Norm Kirk!
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November 24, 2012 9:57am
wat dabney

hinamanu,

You didn’t explain why the US is still in Afghanistan.
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November 24, 2012 9:57am
Pauleastbay

Matthew Hooten in the NBR

They even used camera angles to try to make Mr Cunliffe look smug and smarmy.

He’s not of course. As his supporters point out, it’s just that his mind works so much faster than anyone else’s. It’s why, presumably, Mr Cunliffe needs to use a slow, faux Polynesian accent when speaking at the Avondale Market. Such intelligence and communications skills make lesser mortals jealous.

His mind works faster than any one elses – gold
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November 24, 2012 10:12am
Luc Hansen

Keeping score (not a bad name for a blog?) since the ceasefire in Gaza:

Rockets fired from Gaza: Nil

Israelis killed by Gaza resistance forces: Nil

Israelis wounded by Gaza resistance forces: Nil

Palestinians inside the prison camp known as Gaza killed by Israeli forces: 1

Palestinians inside the prison camp known as Gaza wounded by Israeli forces: 7

The offense of the Palestinians: encroaching on valuable land declared a buffer zone by Israel inside the fence constructed by Israel to denote the border of the prison grounds.

The local wardens, Hamas, show remarkable restraint in not retaliating to these provocations.
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November 24, 2012 10:32am
Pauleastbay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/23/maria-miller-church-female-bishops

Bloody politicians, the C of E didn’t want female bishops as this would lead to a shortage of kitchen staff and now maria throws her five bobs worth in.

Maria might like to remember that she’s employed because of a vote as well, there are lots of Guardian readers who don’t want her in her job.

Gotta love it, everybody loves democracy until they don’t get what they want.
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November 24, 2012 10:43am
OneTrack

Gaza ceasefire

Rockets fired from Gaza – 5 apparently
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November 24, 2012 12:23pm
PhilP

Watched The Nation this morning…..what a love wank fest for Shearer, Smalley & McCarten. Almost made me sick. The interview Smalley did with David Shearer was nothing more than election propaganda, so very weak and unlike her interview with John Key, not one interruption. What’s this “Hands on” crap is it code for more tax and spend?
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November 24, 2012 12:56pm
Viking2

Keeping Stock (8,366) Says:
November 24th, 2012 at 9:01 am

I can’t understand why an otherwise-wise bloke like you has been sucked in by Dotcom V2. He talks a good game, but when it comes to fronting up with evidence to back his extravagant claims he is found wanting. And it seems that the media love-fest he previously enjoyed is waning too; other than 3News, the MSM is starting to see through his bluster and narcissism.
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KS, that you should be so blind that you cannot see is a concern. I guess it becomes fairly difficult when all your information is locked up and unavailable.
Which extravagent claims would that be then?

Court cases lost and won so far. Dotcom, all police nil, further Helen Winkleman has required the FBI to disclose all their imformation to the court and they are opposed to doing so and are fighting to stop that. Surely that should tell you something ain’t quite right here. Day by day more is disclosed and the above is the latest. Serious case of double dealing and entrapment using that double dealing.

(no doubt you are one who thinks anything is ok provided its done by a law enforcement agency. Well the courts are against you on that thankfully)

Still I wonder how you can’t simply understand the modus operandi of Mega upload. It was a bunch of shoe boxes rented to various people to store their stuff. That others bought, sold or shared illegal stuff from thoae shoe boxes is in no waydifferent to youtube, facebook,google, or any other similar electronic system.
If you have a rental house and someone decides to sell tinnies from there are you reponsible for their actions? yes or no.
If you hire a storage shed and then store proceeds of something illegal is the unit owner responsible? yes or no.
We could go on but even you should get the drift.

To support corrupt organisations like the film industry is another peice of short sightedness. Did you not see where those same executives are being sued for exploiting the LOR outside of their contract.(posted it earlier in the week) Kinda like doing worse than the person they are accusing for they clearly have a knowledge and a contract that contains that knowledge. But they consider might is right. Look at the perfromers who are not getting paid their existing royalties and who have an ongoing battle with the same studios.

But it seems you are an envy seeker like so many socilaists and Kiwi’s who simply cannot stand someone making money and having more than you. What a sad person you must be.

P.S.
Can you get the breaks Warner & co got for your business? yes or no?
Will you be happy the day the Gestapo here roll up to your place and remove all your assets and bank accounts without any discussion and without a referree to ensure you are treated fairly?
The price of freedom is always vigilance.
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November 24, 2012 1:00pm
Viking2

Yvette (2,196) Says:
November 24th, 2012 at 9:06 am

Viking2 – Key & co need to cut the FBI loose so we the taxpayers in NZ don’t find ourselves up for a horrendous payout.
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When a country like New Zealand gives up its sovereignty in policing and allows the FBI to take over operations, as is reputed to be the case, where does the liability rest.
Also, what is done is done – if our Government has fucked up, we will pay.
And for Key to not know details is about as farcical as believing he doesn’t know what is in the Police Report on John Banks Election Donations Returns.

“Lying is that you knowingly and deceitfully mislead people.” – John Key
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Lying is simply not telling the truth and all the truth. That’s what our Court request of people when entering the witness stand, to which they can affirm or place their hand upon the bible.

Off course to many that means little. (including a few law enforcement employees.)

“I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/lies
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November 24, 2012 1:09pm
Manolo

Back from the cold and more contrite after a deserved one-week ban.
Thank you, DPF. 😀
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November 24, 2012 1:44pm
bhudson

Manolo,

Contrition. That’s the way! 😉
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November 24, 2012 2:09pm
Fletch

White House Christmas tree arrives via horse drawn cart, and guys with top hats.

LINK
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November 24, 2012 2:11pm
Viking2

KS

It’s so everyday that for most of us it is easy to forget just how revolutionary the Internet is. A private sector, collaborative, open infrastructure lets people innovate without permission. It lets anyone publish their views, discover any fact, share their joys or sorrow, make money or spend it, and connect with whoever they want.

Quoted by DPF

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/net_hui_south.html

Included people like Zuckerberg, et al including Dotcom and the film masters if they made the effort. But they don’t, haven’t and like so many dinasours will die out soon enough. Bollywood,is right up there, as will be the Chinese shortly.
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November 24, 2012 3:30pm
liarbors a joke

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7992949/Environmentalist-Diana-Lady-Isaac-dies

Well known in Christchurch…RIP Lady Diana.
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November 24, 2012 4:32pm
Manolo

Money is never a problem for this useless quango: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7987087/Lawyers-cost-commission-342-239
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November 24, 2012 4:54pm
Viking2

ah Manolo, welcome back from your holiday. Missed your sunny disposition amoung all these fawning socialists.
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November 24, 2012 4:56pm
Manolo

Thank you, Viking2.
I was innocent, but our host didn’t share my opinion on the kind way I addressed the useless racist Turia.
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November 24, 2012 4:59pm
liarbors a joke

“information obtained under the Official Information Act shows the commission has spent $342,239 on advice from external law organisations since 2010.

Three law firms were consulted but the bulk of that spending, $335,249, was on Wellington public and employment lawyers Chen Palmer.

Partner Mai Chen declined to comment.”

Im sure she did. How the fuck does she sleep at night. Shes as bad as the blob Donna Hall.
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November 24, 2012 5:06pm
Viking2

Wonder if someone can give me a guidance on this.
Have a tenant who has allowed a Border to be bailed to the address. Big party last night to which I got a call from the neighbours after they called the police. Bunches of teeny poppers etc. Police cleared them away before any problerms but advised that this person had been bailed there. ( the tenat had not notified me which the police said they were obliged to. I did know the person was there as a border but not as a bailee.

Can anyone tell me or show me where to find any legislation around this. I haven’t been able to find anything. Just want to boot them out.
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November 24, 2012 5:16pm
Viking2

ah Manolo, i must have missed it when I was bush for the weekend. I gather dime also got a growling. Never mind can’t keep a good redneck down. 😆 😆
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November 24, 2012 5:18pm
liarbors a joke

Have you stipulated in the tenancy agreement a maximum amount of people residing at the address ? If so, there’s a possible out there if there’s been a breach.
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November 24, 2012 5:21pm
bhudson

Manolo the redneck 🙂

You need to eat yourself a new belt Manolo – something with a buckle the size of Texas
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November 24, 2012 5:22pm
Pauleastbay

V2
Your best bet is the tenancy agreement re:parties etc.

I’d ring the landlords association or a rental manager

or

you’re obviously a rich bastard so let the kids have some fun, so what if an arsonist is bailed to your property and has his meth cooking mates around to make your property uninhabitable ( this last bit is just me channelling the tenancy tribunal for any future hearing where you will be pilloried for having the gall to own a rental property and pay your own way in the world )
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November 24, 2012 5:24pm
Pauleastbay

and heres serious news JR’s dead http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4662933/jr-star-larry-hagman-dead.html
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November 24, 2012 5:41pm
liarbors a joke

Sad…I remember him in I dream of Jeannie back in the 70’s…RIP.
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November 24, 2012 5:51pm
Steve (North Shore)

Which really means you remember Barbara Eden as Genie, LAJ.
I do 🙂
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November 24, 2012 5:57pm
liarbors a joke

ooohhh yeah…
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November 24, 2012 6:08pm
Steve (North Shore)

Larry Hagman did not create his own funeral did he? JR Ewing did, he arrived stinking of pigshit, man that was a good one.
NZ needs a JR Ewing in Politics, someone who can kick arse and not give a shit
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November 24, 2012 6:31pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/23/protests-egypt-presidential-decree

Ho hum and evidently this was never going to happen said all the enlightened, Egypt would just be a better place without the nasty Mubarrack.
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November 24, 2012 6:42pm
nasska

Probably this belongs on the ‘recreational’ thread….

Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/G9TzC
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November 24, 2012 7:07pm
Griff

Nasska 😆
I can see at least two on here that could apply to
Well three but we still do not know if its Harriet or harry it
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November 24, 2012 7:11pm
nasska

Griff

We only have the original confession from “Harriet” to go on & confirmation has been slow. Since I hate to cause offence I’m taking the easy way out & presuming he/she is having a bob each way.

Could be just a weekend crossdresser or a candidate for a full sex change……time will tell. 🙂
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November 24, 2012 7:19pm
RightNow

For someone’s edification: Why Karoly, Gergis and Lewandowski had their paper rejected http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012/screening-bias-cartoon-form/

As for warming, so what? It’s been warming since the end of the little ice age, but it’s closest to Hansen’s scenario C (you know, the no emissions after 2000 scenario) than any other projection – so what’s the problem again? http://orssengo.com/GlobalWarming/Hansen1988Fig3b.PNG

(yep, bored)
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November 24, 2012 7:33pm
Viking2

How Long before quad bikes are outlawed?

21-year-old injured in quad bike accident

Saturday, 24, Nov, 2012 3:24PM

A 21-year-old man has back and abdominal injuries after crashing a quad bike, at high speed, on a Bay of Plenty Beach.

The man was treated on Pukehina Beach, before being flown to Tauranga hospital by the Trustpower TEC-T rescue helicopter in a serious condition.

Around 850 people are injured riding quad bikes every year. .
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November 24, 2012 7:38pm
Viking2

Conservation Minister briefed on Tongariro

Saturday, 24, Nov, 2012 11:24AM

The Minister for Conservation has been briefed on the current state of activity at Mount Tongariro.

Kate Wilkinson visited the area yesterday along with Taupo MP Louise Upston following Wednesday’s eruption.

DOC and GNS scientists briefed them on possible future scenarios for the mountain’s Te Maari crater.

They also met with community leaders to discuss the best way forward to support the community and businesses who rely on tourists coming to the area to walk the currently closed Tongariro Crossing.

Ms Wilkinson says she’s pleased to see DOC working hard with GNS to monitor volcanic activity so any re-opening in the future is done without compromising staff or public safety.
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Ah so community leaders put the bite on for something? Money maybe cause doc get excited and fuck up the local economy over a piddly burst of steam.

Tongararo has never caused anything much, Ngarahoe has vented itself without much bother and Ruapehu smoked us with a bit of ash 15 years ago. But the panic merchants etc have a disaster in the making. So they must save us all from ourselves and armagedon.

Fucking socilaists. only in NZ.
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November 24, 2012 7:43pm
nasska

V2

….”Around 850 people are injured riding quad bikes every year. .”…..

And because some bloody idiots who shouldn’t be allowed to ride the coin operated bike outside the nearest Kmart can’t keep them right way up the rest of us have coroners & OSH in our faces 24/7.

Look upon them as tools of Darwin.
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November 24, 2012 8:00pm
nasska

A blonde women goes to the police and says, “In light of the recent allegations, I too would like to report that I was inappropriately touched on a film set.”

“Okay madam, I know it’s difficult but I need more information like who was the person and what film set was it?” asked the officer.

“I don’t know his name,” she says bursting into tears, “but the film was Anal Housewives Volume 7!”
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November 24, 2012 8:01pm
Viking2

Biology Exam
Students in an advanced Biology class were taking their mid-term
exam. The last question was, ‘Name seven advantages of Mother’s
Milk.? The question was worth 70 points or none at all.

One student, in particular, was hard put to think of seven
advantages. However, he wrote:

1) It is the perfect formula for the child.
2) It provides immunity against several diseases.
3) It is always the right temperature.
4) It is inexpensive.
5) It bonds the child to mother, and vice versa.
6) It is always available as needed.

And then the student was stuck. Finally, in desperation, just before
the bell rang indicating the end of the test, he wrote:

7) It comes in two attractive containers and it’s high enough off the
ground where the cat can’t get it.

He got an A.
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November 24, 2012 8:15pm
Viking2

A man wrote a letter to a small hotel in a Midwest town he planned to visit on his vacation. He wrote:

I would very much like to bring my dog with me. He is well-groomed and very well behaved. Would you be willing to permit me to keep him in my room with me at night?”

An immediate reply came from the hotel owner, who wrote:

“Dear Sir: I’ve been operating this hotel for many years. In all that time, I’ve never had a dog steal towels, bedclothes, silverware or pictures off the walls. I’ve never had to evict a dog in the middle of the night for being drunk and disorderly and I’ve never had a dog run out on a hotel bill. Yes, indeed, your dog is welcome at my hotel.

And, if your dog will vouch for you, you’re welcome to stay here, too.”
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November 24, 2012 8:17pm
Viking2

For those old enough.
http://screencast.com/t/Frb0a3s2VQ
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November 24, 2012 8:24pm
nasska

Lost:

Pitbull with three legs. Answers to the name of Kevin. Family distraught.

Legs belong to wife and eldest daughter.
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November 24, 2012 8:27pm
Viking2

Neat vid.

http://www.youtube.com/v/pd5BMP_41bI%26rel%3d0%26hl%3den_US%26feature%3dplayer_embedded%26version%3d3
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November 24, 2012 8:28pm
Viking2

The navel is an ideal place for bacteria to thrive because it’s isolated and most people don’t bother to wash it.
Do the bacteria differ from person to person?

The scientists grew the bacteria from hundreds of swab samples and found that most people’s belly button ecosystems are unique.

They found <b< 2368 types of bacteria, with 2188 present on fewer than 10 per cent of the samples.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7984819/Belly-button-ecosystems-explored
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November 24, 2012 8:35pm
Viking2

Niwa has released a high resolution map which gives a fresh insight into the shape of New Zealand’s diverse marine realm.
The map is generated from digital elevation models using about 1.5 million square kilometres of multibeam coverage with over a third of that mapped by Niwa’s research vessel Tangaroa.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7990479/3D-map-reveals-New-Zealands-underwater-realm
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November 24, 2012 8:39pm
Griff

This may be the wrong thread
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-conspiracy.htm?PS=129%2C91%2C516%2C95%3A3
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November 24, 2012 8:42pm
Viking2

CIA plot uncovered.

Small Pacific island undiscovered
NICKY PHILLIPS

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7985330/Small-Pacific-island-undiscovered

ha and we trust the Yankees.
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November 24, 2012 8:47pm
nasska

Griff

That site holds much promise…..we’ll mine it some wet Saturday afternoon. 🙂
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November 24, 2012 8:51pm

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