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iMP

Hamas missile into Jerusalem. Now that could get interesting.
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November 17, 2012 8:03am
Pete George

Imperator Fish at his accurate best – A Day In The Life Of Sherwin T. McFadden, Broadcaster And Blogger

But this could be a case of plagiarism, it looks like IF might have filched McFadden’s diary and just changed the name in it.
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November 17, 2012 8:06am
Keeping Stock

And in the meantime, the BBC is under fire for playing a video of a supposedly injured Arab bloke who wasn’t injured at all. Pallywood is alive and well; check out the video here:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/more-grief-for-bbc.html

(Warning: The acting is shite)
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November 17, 2012 8:07am
iMP

For those interested, here’s footage of the Iron Dome system in operation; which has shot down half of the missiles shot into Israel by the peace-loving Palestinians. http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/those-wicked-israelis/
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November 17, 2012 8:16am
Tom Jackson

Hamas missile into Jerusalem. Now that could get interesting.

Nothing will change. At the end of this, both sides will be back where they started, just with more dead people.
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November 17, 2012 8:27am
Viking2

Closer to home and for once a plus for TV reality shows.

Once blamed for glamorising children having babies, teen pregnancy reality shows are now credited with a drop in New Zealand’s teenage pregnancy rates.

Dr Roke said Family Planning had recently seen a “huge” uptake in the use of long-acting birth control methods such as contraceptive implants, which could be a factor in the drop in unintended conceptions.

It had also become much more socially acceptable for teenagers to seek family planning and contraceptive advice.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/7962570/TV-shows-credited-with-fall-in-pregnancies

Can only be good., mind you no doubt the God botherer’s will be alkopng to tell us how evil contraception is and all that. eh Lucia.
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November 17, 2012 8:33am
Keeping Stock

Oh dear Viking; DPF blogged about that at 7.16am 😛

It doesn’t stop you from getting in a dig at those who choose to have faith in something as opposed to those who have faith in nothing…
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November 17, 2012 8:47am
nasska

V2

Nothing quite like sitting in a corner wearing a chastity belt & a hair shirt while reading the Bible to cut down on unwanted pregnancies. 🙂
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November 17, 2012 8:48am
Fletch

If you like Hostess Twinkies (big overseas, but not so well known in NZ) get ready to go without.

The company is shutting down and 18,500 workers are losing their jobs, thanks mainly to the unions, which rejected an 8% wage cut proposed by the struggling company, crippling it for good. Well, now they have a 100% wage cut.

The Board of Directors authorized the wind down of Hostess Brands to preserve and maximize the value of the estate after one of the Company’s largest unions, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM), initiated a nationwide strike that crippled the Company’s ability to produce and deliver products at multiple facilities.

On Nov. 12, Hostess Brands permanently closed three plants as a result of the work stoppage. On Nov. 14, the Company announced it would be forced to liquidate if sufficient employees did not return to work to restore normal operations by 5 p.m., EST p.m., Nov. 15. The Company determined on the night of Nov. 15 that an insufficient number of employees had returned to work to enable the restoration of normal operations.

The BCTGM in September rejected a last, best and final offer from Hostess Brands designed to lower costs so that the Company could attract new financing and emerge from Chapter 11. Hostess Brands then received Court authority on Oct. 3 to unilaterally impose changes to the BCTGM’s collective bargaining agreements.

Hostess Brands is unprofitable under its current cost structure, much of which is determined by union wages and pension costs. The offer to the BCTGM included wage, benefit and work rule concessions but also gave Hostess Brands’ 12 unions a 25 percent ownership stake in the company, representation on its Board of Directors and $100 million in reorganized Hostess Brands’ debt.

“We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” said Gregory F. Rayburn, chief executive officer. “Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hostess-brands-to-wind-down-company-after-bctgm-union-strike-cripples-operations-179640671.html
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November 17, 2012 8:53am
Viking2

Hey naaska, let KS know that’s the answer will you.

And KS. When was the alst time you saw DPF post before the automated time of 8am?
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November 17, 2012 9:18am
Viking2

KS. I note he says he was at a party so that probably means he will join the bene’s and sleep all day. 😆 8)
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November 17, 2012 9:22am
Viking2

KS. Just for you.

He was in ecstasy with a huge smile on his face as his wife moved forwards, then backwards, forward, then backwards again….back and forth…back and forth…in and out…in and out.

Her heart was pounding…her face was flushed…then she moaned, softly at first, then began to groan louder. Finally, totally exhausted, she let out an almighty scream and shouted, “OK, OK! I CAN’T park the f*****g car!
You do it, you SMUG bastard!”
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November 17, 2012 9:24am
Monique Watson

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10847995

Principal gets vilified by union over outing Pedo.
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November 17, 2012 9:40am
Keeping Stock

Very good V2 😀
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November 17, 2012 9:41am
Steve (North Shore)

Rachael is having problems dealing with John Key – amusing
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November 17, 2012 9:43am
hmmokrightitis

Left field. Youtube, watch trailers for Cockneys vs Zombies (looks hilarious) and World War Z (doesn’t look too awful). Good rainy Saturday morning teasers. 🙂
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November 17, 2012 9:50am
iMP

The Twinkies thing is like Marmite-a-geddon here. Beloved of Spiderman and Woody Harrelson in Zombieland. In fact, Twinkies are Zombie “Rule#32.” The real zombies are the Unions: socialism strikes again. 18,500 jobs gone.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/zombieland-twinkies-spiderman/
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November 17, 2012 9:53am
kowtow

A big missile getting through to Jerusalem mightn’t be a bad thing.

Hitting on a Friday evening at the al Asqa mosque when full. That would teach the peace loving Muslims that indiscriminate rocket fire into civilian targets is a war crime.

The problem then would be the Guardian ,BBC and most other state broadcasters would blame Israel!
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November 17, 2012 9:54am
Griff

faith in something as opposed to those who have faith in nothing…

Interesting claim
One view supposes that humans are evil …fallen… whos only salvation is by the being that created the mess to start with
The other supposes the humans are basically good. Showing the virtues Humanity and Social intelligence

One is based on g*d and writes of most humans
The other is based on humans and writes of g*d
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November 17, 2012 10:00am
kowtow

Teen preggers,STDs etc are a huge problem and the best that V2 and nasska can do is make fun of Lucia?

Arseholes.
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November 17, 2012 10:01am
mikenmild

It seems like kowtow is enjoying the latest escalation in Israel/Palestine. Not enough deaths for you yet?
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November 17, 2012 10:08am
nasska

kowtow

While V2 & I are savouring your assessment of our characters would you like to relect on the fact that when it comes to teenage sexual health the pill, prophylactics & penicillin seem to have the edge over prayer.
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November 17, 2012 10:15am
mikenmild

It seems fair to point out that Lucia Maria’s personality would be an effective prophylactic.
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November 17, 2012 10:21am
kowtow

Go back to socially conservative values and traditions,you’d have no call for all those interventions ,wordly or otherwise.

mildmilk. Relative to Gaza, the UN ,developed world and it’s media quite happily ignored 5 million deaths in Rwanda/Congo.Against that holocaust what would a mosque full matter?
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November 17, 2012 10:25am
mikenmild

Is your argument that only some deaths matter; or that some deaths get more media coverage?
It wouldn’t affect me personally if the Dome of the Rock were destroyed, or it all of Jerusalem were nuked; but that doesn’t mean either of those things are desirable.
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November 17, 2012 10:30am
Komata

MM

I gather then, that you are not a supporter of Israel’s totally-legal efforts to protect itself?
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November 17, 2012 10:31am
mikenmild

I’d be interested in your opinion of the legality of Israel’s action, certainly. Would you start by covering the relevant international conventions and UN resolutions and then break it down to the events of the last few days in the context of the laws of armed conflict?
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November 17, 2012 10:41am
nasska

mikenmild

Rather than wade through that crap just bring up an internet site that deals in vermin control.

Essentially that is what the Israelis are doing. Civilian deaths would not occur if the cowardly Hamas scum didn’t hide behind women & kids.
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November 17, 2012 10:45am
kowtow

Debate the legality of firing rockets,indiscriminately into a sovereign state.For extra marks consider the legality and ethics of where you site your launching pads.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/hamas-missile-launch-pad-next-to-mosque-playground-civilian-factories.html
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November 17, 2012 10:52am
mikenmild

It’s pretty much the same as the the Brits and Germans ‘hiding’ their factories, etc in densely populated cities during WWII. Are there any innocents in war? Could Hama rockets into Israel all be evil and Israeli air strikes on Gaza all be noble?
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November 17, 2012 11:03am
bhudson

Not enough deaths for you yet?

@mikey, I think there all too many deaths of Israelis and Paelstinians caused by Hamas/Hezbollah with their terrorist attacks and the deaths they bring about as a result of retaliation.

As for the legalities, does self-defense escape you?
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November 17, 2012 11:04am
mikenmild

Who is defending whom, though?
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November 17, 2012 11:06am
Yoza

“Essentially that is what the Israelis are doing. Civilian deaths would not occur if the cowardly Hamas scum didn’t hide behind women & kids.”

This is just parroting the Israeli rationale of the on going slaughter of defenseless civilians; any Palestinians killed who are not militants are automatically designated ‘human shields’. The reality is the Israeli attacks on Gaza are not indiscriminate in that they are targeted at the Palestinian population as a whole, the acceptance of this tactic has been internalised so successfully by the western media that the term ‘Palestinian’ has become synonymous with the western usage of the term ‘terrorist’ – a western term for any brown skinned person exercising self-defense in the face of violent imperialist excess: Nelson Mandela being one of the most jarring examples.
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November 17, 2012 11:08am
nasska

mikenmild

…” Could Hama rockets into Israel all be evil and Israeli air strikes on Gaza all be noble?”….

Probably not but reverse the roles & you’d still have a fairly good handle on the situation.

If you are going to use the expediency employed by both sides to justify civilian casualties in WW2 then why not use the same logic when discussing the Israel/Hamas conflict?
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November 17, 2012 11:09am
bhudson

Who is defending whom, though?

The government launching strikes in response to attacks against them is defending their citizens.

Now who was reported to have launched the missiles first?
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November 17, 2012 11:12am
mikenmild

nasska
Exactly – let’s use the same logic. If aerial bombardment of civilian populations in the world wars was illegal; what has made it legal today?
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November 17, 2012 11:12am
mikenmild

bhudson
I tend to agree, with the proviso that a response is proportionate.
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November 17, 2012 11:14am
James Stephenson

It’s pretty much the same as the the Brits and Germans ‘hiding’ their factories, etc in densely populated cities during WWII.

Bollocks is it. Most WW2 era factories were converted from civilian use, and needed to be close to population centers because that’s where the people who work in them live.
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November 17, 2012 11:19am
nasska

Yoza

From a comment by the quintessential Muslim cuddler of all time at 5.04 on yesterday’s GD. From Reid…

…”“The garbage” so far is 6 children, a pregnant woman and seven other innocents, and six terrorists all killed by high explosive and shrapnel “….

You’ll note that hidden deep in that statement is an acknowledgement that no fewer than SIX terrorists were killed. They were not engaged in self defence….they were firing rockets at Israeli civilians from behind the skirts of their women. The half human garbage can’t even fight like men.
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November 17, 2012 11:22am
mikenmild

It is rare indeed any conflict that one side is completely responsible, both for the deaths of their enemies and their own deaths at enemy hands.
I’d be interested in commenters’ ideas about how this latest escalation will play out and what would be required to establish long-term peace in the region.
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November 17, 2012 11:25am
nasska

mikenmild

So to extend the hypothesis a little further the Germans, the British, the Israelis & the Palestinians were then & are now acting outside of the “rules of war”.

Seems that it is a fairly normal practice.

Re Long term peace in the region, you must be joking…..the area is tribal & they have been at each others throats for a few thousand years. Stick to something practical like alchemy.
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November 17, 2012 11:29am
Griff

Long term peace will only come about when the Muslim world stops trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
When god tells them to stop. 😆
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November 17, 2012 11:29am
Yoza

As I said, Nasska, Israel does not kill indiscriminately. Killing Gazans because they are there is the rational attempt to instill terror in the population of Gaza – apparently the Gazan population is expected to rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime in much the same way the British population rose up and overthrew the Churchill regime to prevent further bombings of their cities during the blitz.
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November 17, 2012 11:31am
mikenmild

So only a religious solution would work? A God-inspired conquest of Canaan?
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November 17, 2012 11:32am
Keeping Stock

If anyone else is, like me, upset and angry at the sentence of home detention imposed on Jack Alexander Booker for torturing his baby daughter as reported in yesterday’s Herald ( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10847743 ), here’s a chance to do something about it.

Dear Mr Heron

I am writing to you to urge your office to review proceedings against Jack Alexander Booker in the North Shore District Court. Booker was sentenced on Thursday to 12 months home detention, and according to the New Zealand Herald of Friday 16 November 2012, the Crown does not intend to appeal the non-custodial sentence.

Booker’s offending against his daughter began when she was just one month old. Judge Nevin Dawson described the offending as “abhorrent” and “cruel”. However he gave Booker credit for an early guilty plea, his remorse, and his seeking assistance to deal with his issues with anger and violence.

This case has strong parallels with that of James Hall, sentenced to home detention by Justice Mary Peters in the Napier High Court. This sentence was subsequently set aside on appeal by the Crown to the Court of Appeal, and a sentence of imprisonment was imposed. The Court of Appeal determined that the sentence imposed by Justice Peters was manifestly inadequate.

I urge your office to strongly consider an appeal against the sentence imposed on Jack Booker by Judge Dawson. He has undoubtedly followed the provisions available to him under the Sentencing Act 2002, but even as a non-lawyer, I believe that this sentence too is manifestly inadequate, and that Judge Dawson has given far too much weight to the rights of Booker, and far too little weight to the rights of both the victim and her mother.

Child abuse is never OK. Surely it is the responsibility of the Judiciary to reinforce that through sentences which are likely to have a deterrent effect. The sentence imposed on Jack Booker is in no way a deterrent to future child abusers.

Please give this case your urgent and serious consideration

Yours sincerely

Just copy and paste this into your e-mail browser, add your name and e-mail it to michael.heron@crownlaw.govt.nz

This is a serious case of child abuse, and at the very least the offender ought to have received a term of imprisonment IMHO.

It’s easy to moan about these things but do nothing; I’ve chosen to do something positive. I’m hopeful that this initiative will at the very least cause the Solicitor-General to review this whole case and ensure that the sentencing judge did everything correctly, and hopefully respond to public pressure by sending the case to the High Court on appeal.

Your support would be gratefully appreciated.
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November 17, 2012 11:37am
Griff

MM should I explain the signification of the little laughing face at the end?

Its a conflict with history, until a victor gets to write that history the conflict will continue.
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November 17, 2012 11:41am
mikenmild

Griff, you seem to encourage wars to the death. I’m just trying to imagine a logical end point for the Israel/Palestinian conflict.
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November 17, 2012 11:48am
mikenmild

Keeping Stock
I applaud your initiative, but I don’t think a stream of identical letters would achieve anything.
Is there anything else you could do, personally, to reduce the number of these cases?
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November 17, 2012 11:51am
Redbaiter

“MM should I explain the signification of the little laughing face at the end?”

No the significance is clear enough- another vapid smug utterance from another of the confused Kiwiblog liberal gang whose comments almost always betray complete confusion concerning their political stance or otherwise the kind of sneering ignorance typical of the parochial bog farmer or otherwise ill informed blinkered small town dumbfuck.
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November 17, 2012 11:57am
Griff

If you are neutral on the conflict Israel does far better as a place to live than the Arab states.
Hence I lean towards backing Israeli culture as the best for man kind. 😀
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November 17, 2012 12:00pm
mikenmild

Reddy, did you wake up on top of the wrong side of the blow-up doll this morning?
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November 17, 2012 12:00pm
Redbaiter

These sneering “liberals” and their insipid smiley faces at the end of every comment are just slimy hypocrites.
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November 17, 2012 12:09pm
mikenmild

You can get help for some of your afflictions; if not all. Think of your family.
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November 17, 2012 12:09pm
David Garrett

Ah Russell, you big hunk of spunk! Just once round the island this morning?

May one enquire is there is a Mrs Red who has to listen to your semi coherent ravings? Or do you wear your collar around the house like a good boy?

Another question…an erudite chap like yourself has probably read tales of early wildcatters who used to get a bar on when a lease they walked over had a field underneath it…ever happen to you out west of Windorah or some other godforsaken place?
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November 17, 2012 12:10pm
Griff

sneering ignorance typical of the parochial bog farmer or otherwise ill informed blinkered small town dumbfuck.
My case mr Weddy relies on the above post
Many intelligent people seek out unbiased factual information and construct their own world view.
Its called critical thinking
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November 17, 2012 12:11pm
publicwatchdog

DODGY JOHN BANKS ….GOING……….GOING………….???

What happens if Graham McCready is successful in his private prosecution of John Banks under s.134(1) of the Local Electoral Act?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2001/0035/latest/DLM94799.html

134 False return

(1) Every candidate commits an offence who transmits a return of electoral expenses knowing that it is false in any material particular, and is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

_________________________________________________

If you want to read Judge Mill’s decision on the granting of a witness summons for John Banks – and not rumour and heresay – a full copy of her decision is available on http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.
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November 17, 2012 12:12pm
mikenmild

Good afternoon Mr Garrett. Is it true that Redbaiter liked to get oiled up and go looking for the biggest rig he could find?
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November 17, 2012 12:19pm
Harriet

Nascar no.36#

“…Re Long term peace in the region, you must be joking…..the area is tribal & they have been at each others throats for a few thousand years. Stick to something practical like alchemy….”

So what WOULD you give praise to Israel for?
Or are you just ‘another nutter’ who thinks they deserve non at all? 😎
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November 17, 2012 12:23pm
Harriet

“….Is it true that Redbaiter liked to get oiled up and go looking for the biggest rig he could find?…’

Unlike you -the public servant metrosexual- who came down in the last feminist golden shower! 😎
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November 17, 2012 12:27pm
Redbaiter

“Many intelligent people”

More insipid vanity.

You’re an example of an “intelligent person”????

FFS..!!!

Apart from the rank and nauseating narcissism, all your posts convey is the impression of an ideologically incoherent nincompoop.
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November 17, 2012 12:29pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

17 November 2012

Media Release:

Protest against Israeli attacks on Gaza – today 2pm, Aotea Square

As Israeli troops mass at the Gaza border Global Peace and Justice Auckland is organising a march this Saturday to protest Israel’s assassination of a Palestinian leader in the Gaza strip and the deadly rocket attacks in which many Palestinians have lost their lives.

We will be calling on Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully to speak out for New Zealand and urge Israel to stop the carnage it started.

With our silence New Zealand is part of the Israeli killing machine.

Around the world the mainstream media has given an appalling pro-Israeli version of how and why the latest violence started. (See postscript to this release)

We hope to begin to redress the misinformation with a live link to kiwi activist Roger Fowler who is in Gaza on a solidarity mission for the New Zealand group Kia Ora Gaza. Call me for Roger’s international phone if you want to talk to him – and we hope you do.

Todays’ protest will include a mass throwing of old shoes at the US consulate. Throwing shoes is a traditional way of showing disgust at US/Israeli policies in the Middle East following the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at the then US President George Bush in a 2008 media conference.

These latest Israeli attacks continue the brutal victimisation of the Palestinian people of Gaza who are effectively locked in the largest open air prison in the world and treated like animals through an inhuman Israeli blockade.

Israeli justifications for the attacks are hollow. It is Israel’s racist policies and vicious mistreatment of Palestinians which are at the heart of this conflict. Israel policies alone pose the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East and in the world.

As well and blockading Palestinians in Gaza Israel maintain a military occupation of the West Bank while destroying Palestinian homes and farms to make way for Jewish-only settlements. These vicious de-humanising apartheid policies against Palestinians are in defiance of international law and numerous UN resolutions.

John Minto
Mike Treen
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November 17, 2012 12:32pm
Keeping Stock

Mikenmild asks

Is there anything else you could do, personally, to reduce the number of these cases?

I can assure you that neither of my children will ever torture any child that they bring into the world. Can you give the same assurance?
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November 17, 2012 12:35pm
Griff

Mr reddy I very much doubt that I would ever get almost nearly fifty likes on whale. 😉
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November 17, 2012 12:36pm
mikenmild

It’s nice to relax on a wet Saturday after a week’s hard public-service graft and enjoy Rebaiter’s performance art.
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November 17, 2012 12:37pm
mikenmild

That’s nice KS. I trust your kids or grandkids will never hook up with any low-life. Do you think there is a simple way to encourage wonderful families like yours to set such a great role model while spreading that model to some less fortunate kiddies?
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November 17, 2012 12:41pm
Harriet

“…..Todays’ protest will include a mass throwing of old shoes at the US consulate….”

Fine………..Ya can have mine just after I’ve kicked ya fucken arse Minto!
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November 17, 2012 12:43pm
nasska

Harriet

….”So what WOULD you give praise to Israel for?”…..

The God bothering has addled you….I’m totally, 100%, behind Israel in everything they do. A small country of 8 million people surrounded by 400 million Islamic nutters is deserving of respect & support.

Perhaps you missed the first twenty odd books of the OT….they are at the front of the Bible & give a fairly good account of the scraps between the Israelites & their neighbours about 3/4000 years ago. Keeping the history of the region in focus I doubt that there’ll be any quickfix answers promising peace in the ME.
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November 17, 2012 12:45pm
Viking2

kowtow (3,195) Says:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am

Teen preggers,STDs etc are a huge problem and the best that V2 and nasska can do is make fun of Lucia?

Arseholes.

Well kowtow

Arseholes.
I’m reliably informed that they also suffer most of the above afflictions, all but getting pregnant.
Lucia is quite capable of defending herself and her sky fairy friends with hyperbole, disinformation and sky fairy beleif of virginal birth. Hmm perhaps we should have a discussion one day on how a female may acheive virginal birth?
Will be interesting to see all the explanations.
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November 17, 2012 12:47pm
Elaycee

Harriet:

Fine………..Ya can have mine just after I’ve kicked ya fucken arse Minto!

Love it!. 😀
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November 17, 2012 12:47pm
David Garrett

Ah there you are Penny!

Now that question again, that one you have been studiously avoiding for about six weeks:

“Do you derive any part of your income from a government benefit?” (NO, I dont Penny)
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November 17, 2012 12:50pm
mikenmild

nasska
Tending to assume that nothing much will ever change in the middle east tends to ignore the long periods of peace an prosperity there. When, and how will such condition return to Palestine/Israel.
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November 17, 2012 12:54pm
Lance

@mikenmild
Just like Ireland and others;
When they realise terrorism is a waste of time, resources and lives.
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November 17, 2012 12:57pm
mikenmild

Ireland is good example of communities deciding that the extremists on both sides have had their chance and that the costs of war far outweigh its benefits.
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November 17, 2012 1:02pm
nasska

mikenmild

Lance is probably right in that they’ll have to fight it out until exhaustion or commonsense prevails. Just don’t expect it to happen in our lifetimes.
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November 17, 2012 1:03pm
cha

Just like Ireland

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/massive-roundup-of-dissidents-as-weapons-seized-in-raids-blitz-3228865.html
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November 17, 2012 1:03pm
Reid

New British sub has gearbox problems:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/15/hms-astute-submarine-slow-leaky-rusty

At the moment, the boat, heralded as the most sophisticated submarine ever built for the navy, cannot sprint to emergencies or away from an attack – an essential requirement for a hunter-killer boat.

It would also be incapable of keeping pace with the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers, which will be able to travel at more than 30 knots and need the submarines to protect them. One source told the Guardian the boat had a “V8 engine with a Morris Minor gearbox”.

John Large, an independent nuclear safety analyst and specialist engineer, said: “These problems are much more significant than the niggles and glitches expected to arise during working up of a new class of nuclear-powered submarine. Particularly disturbing is the apparent mismatch between the nuclear reactor plant and the steam turbine sets, putting the submarine speed below par and making her susceptible in the anti-submarine warfare theatre.”

Crikey. So how do you fit a completely new turbine design into a sub that’s already built and how the hell did this come to pass in the first place? This is elementary no-brainer stuff.
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November 17, 2012 1:08pm
Viking2

This is my idea of a brand identity which would unite New Zealanders under one multiracial banner.

http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/together-new-zealand-draft-logo.png

http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/together-new-zealand-an-inclusive-identity/
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November 17, 2012 1:21pm
Johnboy

My Morris 1100 had gearbox problems too Reid. Plus it leaked oil a lot.

Glad to see that Pommie engineering has solved one problem!! 🙂
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November 17, 2012 1:24pm
Reid

They should have used a Valiant gearbox Johnboy. Those were built for V8’s.
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November 17, 2012 1:59pm
Johnboy

They should just buy Yankee subs Reid and stop pretending.

They should just buy Boeing’s and kiss goodbye to those dreadful Airbus shitty/crashy things that the Common Market has forced them into.

Some folks take a long time to learn.

Some just never do! 🙂
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November 17, 2012 2:09pm
Harriet

“.. …This is my idea of a brand identity which would unite New Zealanders under one multiracial banner….”

I don’t see the point in celebrating what divides us, but rather what binds us.
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November 17, 2012 2:16pm
Reid

Mind control in plain sight.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-illuminati-symbolism-of-kehas-die-young-and-how-it-ridicules-the-indoctrinated-masses/

The real issue at stake is however not the symbols that are flashed on screen, but the underlying messages that are communicated to the viewers. It is about the Agenda – about making specific values and attitudes cool and desirable to young people. It is about promoting the culture of death (i.e. Die Young), about sexualizing everything, about materialism, about a corrupted and debased brand of spirituality and so forth.

There is however more at stake here than simply the presence of symbols in music videos. There are tons of videos with the same message and symbolism as Die Young – all promoting the same Agenda. Brainwashed by thousands of hours of music videos, young people become like the cult followers in Ke$ha’s video, pushed to live pointless, self-destructive lives based on the gratification of their lowest impulses. Indulging in one’s animalistic instincts has always been considered to be the opposite of reaching spiritual enlightenment – and that’s exactly what the elite wants. If the masses were to gain enough awareness to avoid the traps and pitfalls set up by the system, the virtual enslavement caused by debt and mass-media mind control would crumble.

The way of life “glamorized” by the elite causes people to be lost, devoid of strong values and suggestible to mass-media propaganda. However, in the end, even if they do exactly what is expected from them, the masses are still perceived by the elite as a brainless cattle that needs to be put in its place by a strong police force. As Ke$ha and her fans mindless yell “we’re gonna die young”, thinking they are cool and edgy, they actually unknowingly celebrate their own servitude to a tune created by their rulers. Go Animals!
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November 17, 2012 2:17pm
OneTrack

mikenmild – “I’m just trying to imagine a logical end point for the Israel/Palestinian conflict.”

The end probably starts with an Iranian nuclear weapon
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November 17, 2012 2:21pm
Viking2

New car assembly process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhHpufn_9Aw
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November 17, 2012 2:22pm
OneTrack

publicwatchdog 12:32

Are donations being taken to buy more missiles for Hamas? They have fired a shed load of them and they might be running low by now.
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November 17, 2012 2:24pm
Johnboy

The end probably starts with an Iranian nuclear weapon.

Unless the start starts with a few dozen Israeli nuclear weapons! 🙂
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November 17, 2012 2:26pm
Johnboy

Gidday Reid!

How are things with you?
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November 17, 2012 2:27pm
Reid

Very well Johnboy, and you too I trust. 🙂
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November 17, 2012 2:49pm
Johnboy

Glad to hear, call you tomorrow!
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November 17, 2012 2:53pm
mikenmild

But did the beginning of the end start with Israel’s nuclear weapons?
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November 17, 2012 2:56pm
Reid

Listen to this: a 44 year old describing what happened at the sex parties 10-12 yo boys were taken to from the care homes and the appalling extent of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=46tbRUtBT0g
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November 17, 2012 2:57pm
Johnboy

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are both thriving contributors to the capitalist dream Milky.

Shit happens. Who knows what it may fertilise eventually! 🙂
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November 17, 2012 3:00pm
mikenmild

Johnboy will be an enthusiastic spectator of the first two-way nuclear war. Will there be a programmes and t-shirts available; other souvenirs perhaps?
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November 17, 2012 3:04pm
Johnboy

It’ll be more exciting than Wainui V HOBM Milky! 🙂
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November 17, 2012 3:06pm
Monique Watson

From the Herald:
“Israel triggered the current fighting by assassinating the military chief of the ruling Hamas militant group on Wednesday, then conducting dozens of airstrikes on weapons-storage sites used by rocket squads. The sudden attack came in response to days of heavy rocket fire from Gaza.”

Funny, I understood Palestine triggered the current fighting just before I was born.

Just out of diapers, that writer
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November 17, 2012 3:17pm
David Garrett

Oh God….I almost commented on this completely pointless thread….such is a wet and windy day in Kaukapakapa when you dont drink alcohol….

and there is nothing interesting on Sky and precious little on here…

Perhaps I will make some scones…I think old Red might be coming round to show me how real rig men behave when the chips are down, and I like to be hospitable…
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November 17, 2012 4:12pm
mikenmild

I hope he isn’t too oiled up when he gets there David.
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November 17, 2012 4:16pm
Johnboy

Make tiny cakes and sausage rolls and I’ll come round.

Where the fuck is Kaukapakapa anyway? 🙂
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November 17, 2012 4:22pm
David Garrett

Johnboy: In the PM’s electorate…10 k’s north of Helensville…were you here when Red informed us that he is engaged in pseudonymous guerilla war with the Nats? That’s why he doesnt use his real name….apparently…And he is not really in Tauranga…that’s just a hologram to keep us all guessing…
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November 17, 2012 4:27pm
mikenmild

A long, long way from Wainui, JB.
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