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October 8, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Here’s hoping for some good positive talks today between Meridian and Tiwai Smelter. The consequences of the smelter closing are just too dire for Southland. A closure would result in around 12% of the Southland workforce unemployed and see a big exodus out of the province.
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October 8, 2012 8:12am
Manolo

Will it be end of the tyrant Chavez? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/07/us-venezuela-election-idUSBRE89601Z20121007
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October 8, 2012 9:05am
Pete George

Dime had a wee Sunday morning hissy at me for mentioning a certain politician he dislikes. He may forget how close we came to having any of a number of different politicians in a position of have the casting vote this term.

And this still faces us next election, especially if National keep blundering on. It’s worth Dime (and others) considering who they would think would they might trust with the parliamentary votes that matter…
– John Key
– David Shearer
– Russel Norman
– Metiria Turei
– Winston Peters
– Colin Craig
– Pita Sharples
– Tariana Turia
– John Banks
– Hone Harawira
– Peter Dunne
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October 8, 2012 9:06am
dime

A hissy?? it was more concern for your weird fixation on dunne.

also wondering if you realise what people see when they read the comments here. one ass licking pro-dunne comment followed by the mandatory 10 comments saying what a worthless piece of shit he is. but hey, im sure youre winning him votes online.

hand on heart, i would vote for winston before i voted for dunne.
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October 8, 2012 9:14am
dime

This is the morning so far.

Had ZB on while getting ready for work. I basically heard this about 5 times for different issues:

“the government needs to……” basically fix some issue for poor widdle people who cant look after themselves.

then they had an “interview” with some loser banging on about the NZ homeless problem. he had no idea how many homeless people there were. but it included people in temp housing or housing not up to code?!? what the FUCK?

get to work, log onto the herald – first thing i see is an article about how people with pre-pay power have sick kids or some shit. turns out they dont always have the money for power. not sure what the herald is proposing? maybe, get power and dont pay cause the power companies are RICH. Heres the headline “prepay power leaves kids ill”

id like to control ZB and the Herald for a day. Headlines would be:

“harden the fuck up and fix your own shit”

“loser family gets cold sometimes cause they dont budget properly”
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October 8, 2012 9:19am
Griff

We need right wing partys PG to balance the left. With national firmly positioned at the centre there is no alternative between fence sitting and Marxist socialism. MMP is a tool that those on the right have not yet woken up to. The left with its choice between NZF LABOUR GREENS and HONE has scope for political positioning with only national to the right of them. One size does not fit all. I have been predicting a rise in more party s to the right of national since banks killed act We are seeing this with those that champion CCCP on here. CCCP is f undies NZF and not to the right of national. I am watching the relaunch of libertarianism with interest Their policy and principles appear similar to the original ACT party they could be a right wing influence on national if they can reach the threshold.
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October 8, 2012 9:21am
Manolo

P.G., it’s a fact: you adore Peter Dunne and will do whatever it takes to defend him.
The rest of us despise and detest the whore of Ohariu-Belmont.
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October 8, 2012 9:24am
Manolo

Lindsay Mitchell exposes the radical Bradford: http://www.truth.co.nz/index.php/truthsays/602-right-on-september-27
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October 8, 2012 9:28am
MT_Tinman

Dime (both posts) and Manolo, well said!
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October 8, 2012 9:28am
Redbaiter

Whale calls himself a right wing blogger.

Monday’s Face of The Day is Matt Damon, one of the worst bleeding heart commie arseholes that far left / Progressive Hollywood has ever produced, and that is saying something.

Why adorn a so called right wing blog with a pic of a Hollywood commie?

Just clueless.
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October 8, 2012 9:35am
Pete George

Griff – I agree that we should have right wing parties to balance the left wing parties. And parties to represent different constituencies, like the Conservatives (their polices are too varied to classify them as right wing).

Act looks mortally wounded so there is a space for a new (genuine) right wing party. But it is very difficult to get into parliament starting with no MPs. That’s why some try the approach of getting into an existing party and trying to move it to where they want it.
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October 8, 2012 9:37am
dime

Red – he also loves obama, hates mitt. go figure.
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October 8, 2012 9:39am
Pete George

hand on heart, i would vote for winston before i voted for dunne.

Fair enough, that’s your choice. But look at the bigger picture. How do you think Peters would have been in the current coalition if Dunne wasn’t there to make the magic number?

And if that was the case would National even be in the picture? It could easily have been Goff/Peters/Norman/Turei/Turia/Sharples/Harawira.
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October 8, 2012 9:42am
Manolo

Cameron repeats the Messiah’s favorite line:
David Cameron has rejected Liberal Democrat calls for a mansion tax as part of efforts to tackle the deficit, but vowed that the rich would “pay their fair share”.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/07/david-cameron-mansion-tax-cuts
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October 8, 2012 9:45am
Griff

As many have commented PG UF does not have a history of anything except fence-sitting. How will you go if Dunne goes with a green labour coalition next election? If the left wins next time their differences will cause a very unstable government.
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October 8, 2012 9:47am
dime

PG – I hope Dunne goes next election. Ill take the pain of a left govt. Hell, without that WHORE propping the govt up it may cause a rethink and the birth of a new right wing party.

As Dunnes biggest fan, do you know where he gets his hair wind tunnel tested?
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October 8, 2012 9:50am
Manolo

I suspect that if the whorish Dunne ends up propping a Labour-Green coalition (as long as he keeps the Minister of Revenue position), P.G. would start lecturing us on the wisdom of AGW, the worshipping of Gaia, and the fantastic ETS.

His loyalty is limitless.
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October 8, 2012 9:56am
Pete George

As many have commented PG UF does not have a history of anything except fence-sitting.

That’s bullshit. Promoting moderate centerish policies is different to fence sitting. So far this term UF have both backed National and held them to account account on the MOM Bill, they have backed some Labour members bills and have not backed an Act C&S bill.

And they have commitments to do something on some of their own policies, especially FlexiSuper. No other party has made any progress with addressing Super.

How will you go if Dunne goes with a green labour coalition next election?

Due to core policies Labour and Greens are talking about it will be the same as the UF position last election, fundamental differences will rule it out.
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October 8, 2012 9:56am
kowtow

More on Matt Damon,he’s an eco wacko warrior. Super wealthy Hollywood propagandist.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100182709/hollywood-fracks-up/
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October 8, 2012 10:00am
Redbaiter

I’ve heard Dunne’s speeches during the campaign debates on TV.

They were hopeless. A big bunch of meaningless cliches all linked by emotive crap.

The guy is a conman.
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October 8, 2012 10:01am
dime

“Due to core policies Labour and Greens are talking about it will be the same as the UF position last election, fundamental differences will rule it out.”

LMAO unless of course it looks like National will lose.

There is no way the WHORE is giving up his ministerial salary and perks. At worst he will be a minister outside cabinet or some such crap
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October 8, 2012 10:01am
Pete George

dime – Dunne made a call last election that ruled him out of going with Labour. That wasn’t fence setting, it was taking a position on principle.

Unless there’s a major change in Labour’s direction and unless there’s a minimisation of Green’s economic influence I’d expect the same again next time. I’ve no reason to doubt that he would do it again, and and no reason to doubt him standing by it. He’s never done a Winston.
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October 8, 2012 10:07am
Manolo

The guy (Dunne) is a conman.

Al Gore and Madoff were offended by that statement.
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October 8, 2012 10:11am
Redbaiter

Kowtow- the so called NZ “right” is completely clueless and their cluelessness is the main reason NZ is now drowning in a socialist sewer.

The difference between the National Party and Labour is insignificant, and this is because these spineless no idea losers in National have been dragged ever left by their failure to counter left wing strategies.

Almost all of NZ’s current negative situation can be blamed on the National Party’s cowardice and ineptness and most of all its failure to stand by its founding principles.

“To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

To combat communism and socialism..??????????

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

For fucks sake, they have willingly become communists and socialists, and they are enthusiastically assisting the same in Labour in destroying our country.
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October 8, 2012 10:31am
dime

“Dunne made a call last election that ruled him out of going with Labour” – National were polling 54% at the time.

Keen for a wager pete?? How bout this – if labour forms the next govt, Dime bets Dunne will be a minister.
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October 8, 2012 10:37am
Pete George

Too soon to wager dime, who knows who will be leading Labour and what they will be promoting by the next election.

And who knows how discredited Green economics will be once it has been exposed to scrutiny. If the response to Norman’s money printing plans doesn’t send shivers up any remaining Labour spines then I’d say the bet’s on.

Dunne is as likely to support current Labour-Green economic policy as Peters supporting a Pension Abolition Party.
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October 8, 2012 10:48am
eszett

Redbaiter (1,043) Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:31 am

Kowtow- the so called NZ “right” is completely clueless and their cluelessness is the main reason NZ is now drowning in a socialist sewer.

Yes, we are just so lucky to have that one beacon of light, hope and knowledge called Redbaiter.
But what’s the point of having all the answers when nobody bothers to ask you the questions?
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October 8, 2012 10:53am
Redbaiter

Go fuck yourself Eggshit. I get more support for my comments on Whale (where support is measurable) than anyone.

Your strategy to paint me as some kind of outlier is a lie and a failure.
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October 8, 2012 10:57am
dime

Allow me to translate that for you all

“sorry Dime, i havent received any lines from the great one. as soon as i know the spin i will come back to you”
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October 8, 2012 11:00am
Manolo

Dunne is as likely to support current Labour-Green economic policy as …

The above words have been recorded for posterity. Time will tell.
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October 8, 2012 11:00am
kowtow

eggshit 🙂
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October 8, 2012 11:14am
cha

Your strategy to paint me as some kind of outlier is a lie and a failure

Arkansas has lost an idiot.
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October 8, 2012 11:20am
Redbaiter

Cha, the poor commie retard who deludes himself that links to some left wing shit somewhere give his comments some authority.
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October 8, 2012 11:24am
cha

Tehran calling, the mullahs need their thugs at home.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=286906
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October 8, 2012 11:45am
publicwatchdog

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/kim-dotcom-probably-dirty-%E2%80%93-james-cameron-ck-130268#comment-587852

MY YET-TO-BE PUBLISHED COMMENT:

Asked if what he thought about the Kim Dotocom case, Mr Cameron said the Megapuload founder was “probably dirty”.

What a ‘dirty’ thing for James Cameron to say about Kim Dotcom!

Has he got any FACTS or EVIDENCE to back up this arguably highly defamatory allegation?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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October 8, 2012 11:58am
Keeping Stock

Boo-hoo Penny. NBR should be applauded for doing what DPF won’t do; refusing to give you a forum for your obsessive attacks on John Banks and others. All that hate; it will destroy you in the end. Please; seek help.
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October 8, 2012 12:10pm
Lance

Methinks if Redbaiter didn’t spew forth ungodly obscenities at every opportunity, he would have nothing to say.
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October 8, 2012 12:11pm
Pete George

dime – I have contact with Dunne and UF but blog and comment independently albeit with obvious common interests. I’ve never been given lines by anyone in UF unless I’ve asked for them.

Manolo – I certainly wouldn’t campaign next election in support of Labour (I campaigned in support of National last election), and if UF made a commitment and reneged I’d take action against that. I put pressure on honouring commitments earlier this year.
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October 8, 2012 12:11pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.tv3.co.nz/October-7th—Treasure-Islands/tabid/2059/articleID/79739/Default.aspx

New Zealand – ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2011 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

What a handy ‘cover’ for a TAX HAVEN?

If New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – shouldn’t we be the MOST ‘transparent’?

How come New Zealand hasn’t yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?

Because we don’t yet have in place a domestic legislative framework to prevent corruption.

Check out an ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME, CORRUPTION AND ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ on http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
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October 8, 2012 12:13pm
publicwatchdog

Good to see your undying support for ‘freedom of expression’, anonymous (GUTLESS? 🙂 ‘Keeping Stock’?

A true ‘Libertarian’ are you?

Probably not.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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October 8, 2012 12:16pm
graham

Folks, I highly recommend ignoring Ms Bright. I fully intend to from now on.

As it is patently obvious to everyone that she has no interest in being open, honest, and transparent herself (no matter how much she may call on other people to be), engaging in conversation with her is a waste of time.
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October 8, 2012 12:20pm
lastmanstanding

Memo to John Key

Dear John
As a long time supporter of yours I would ask that you set up a Commission of Inquiry comprising 3 retired High Court Judges with an open ended terms of reference to inquire into the Security Agencies in NZ. The time has come for the so called spooks to be held to account. We are now in a new paradigm gone are the days when ‘trust us we know what we are doing” is acceptable to the thinking citizens. They want to know what where how who why how much and more about the spooks. Unless you set up an open Inquiry you will be punished by the voters including myself and many other former supporters. The current situation is farcical with the accussed investigating themselves or being inevstigated by persons with a former close relationship to them. It is mockery of good governance lacking any credibility and showing you are not in control of the situation.

Lastmanstanding
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October 8, 2012 12:29pm
Yvette

Penny, you seem disappointed Mr Cameron said the Megapuload founder was “probably dirty”

Have you read, yourself, the UD District Court, Eastern District of Virginia INDICTMENT: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. KIM DOTCOM, MEGAUPLOAD LIMITED, VESTOR LIMITED, FINN BATATO, JULIUS BENCKO, SVEN ECHTERNACH, MATHIAS ORTMANN, ANDRUS NOMM, and BRAM VAN DER KOLK ?
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/mega-indictment.pdf

As an interim comment ‘probably dirty’ is probably charitable
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October 8, 2012 12:37pm
Grendel

oh look another wailing lefty who has no idea how freedom of expression works.

Penny and the rest of her fellow travellers are free to express themselves as much as they like.

they are not free to demand a platform from others.

the fact that NBR chooses not to supply her with a platform has no bearing on her freedom of expression, after all its their platform, and they have the freedom of private property.

the fact that DPF still allows her to pollute Kiwiblog is just a sign that DPF is a soft touch and again has no bearing on ms dims freedom of expression.

ms dim has more than one blog/website of her own with which she is free to express her self to her hearts content. the fact that noone pays any attention there is proof of another freedom, freedom to not listen, something ms dim tries to deny us on KB by bleating repeatedly.

btw penny, paid for the water you stole yet?

Grendel
Attendee – 1982 Marlborough BMX champs (under 6)
Witherlea school crossing guard 1989
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October 8, 2012 1:00pm
Nookin

“Has he got any FACTS or EVIDENCE to back up this arguably highly defamatory allegation?”

Why don’t you ask him? Why don’t you ask Kim Dotcom if is he is going to sue? I be it’s the last thing he intends doing.

What is corrupt about NZ citizens or companies acting as trustees for foreign trusts? So long as they pay tax on NZ income, what is the problem?

Why don’t you answer Graham’s questions?

Why do you keep posting repetitive and inane comments when you are not prepared to debate of justify them?

Have you followed up on Yvette’s suggection? Do you intend to? If not, is that because you have no intention of adding constructive comment and only visit as an exercise in self-gratification?

Did you serve your witness summons on John Banks? When is the hearing? Is Banks giving evidence?
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October 8, 2012 1:00pm
Nookin

Seems Penny is not welcome anywhere?
Wonder why

http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAuck/posts/528696863823929
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October 8, 2012 1:07pm
graham

Oooh, well found there Nookin.

There’s some very interesting reading and links there. Penny keeps on trying to dictate to everyone, and she .. just .. doesn’t .. get .. it! Turns out she was even evicted from the “Aotearoa not for Sale” campaign for stirring up too much sh!t.
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October 8, 2012 1:26pm
Keeping Stock

I thought that a principled anti-corruption campaigner such as your good self would have been against ad-hominems Penny. But no; you have one rule for everyone else, and a different standard for yourself. Whoever thought that your modus operandi would have been so hypocritical?
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October 8, 2012 1:27pm
alex Masterley

Scored for points Nookin, well done.
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October 8, 2012 1:31pm
Jack5

So the Greens now want to control our computer screens?

This from the Radio NZ web site with the summary of this morning’s “National” programmes:

The Greens’ new monitory policy….
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October 8, 2012 1:57pm
Longknives

Well,well- Fancy the feral dropkicks of ‘Occupy Auckland’ turning on each other?
Maybe Penny needs to form a rival faction?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
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October 8, 2012 2:01pm
kowtow

jack5

the Greens will seek to control everything,the nickname watermelon is very apt.

The danger though is the urge to control and manipulate us has spread to the “right” and as a consequence we live in very dangerous times.
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October 8, 2012 2:14pm
Keeping Stock

Great stuff Nookin; so even Occupy Auckland is distancing itself from Her Penniness 😀
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October 8, 2012 2:17pm
graham

And ( I found this from following some of the links in Nookin’s post):
– Joe Carolan of Socialist Aotearoa (who compared her to Paula Bennett due to her penchant for spreading all sorts of information about people that she managed to discover)
– the “Aotearoa not for Sale” campaign for stirring too much sh!t
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October 8, 2012 2:19pm
Paulus

How come “Dr” Russel Norman has a Phd but knows shit all about Economics – would have though that a week in Eco101 would have told him something.
As next Finance Minister I shudder to think what he will do to New Zealand. Remember damage done by Finance Ministers cannot be undone, if at all – remember Cullen’s Railways.
Why are others printing money (called something with a fanciful new name) because socialist governments cannot manage anything – UK read Blair/Brown – USA read Obama (wunderkind messiah). US have printed 3rd phase after having not made the 1st and 2nd do anything but increase unemployment (many have given up registering so do not appear in the figures).
I hope that God will defend New Zealand from Socialists, but am afraid the media led opposition will prevail in 2014. They are loving their “Ambrose” Utu on Key.
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October 8, 2012 2:30pm
publicwatchdog

Ah – seems some of the toothless Kiwiblogger goldfish are on a gumming frenzy…………….. a VERY good sign 🙂

Here you go – sink your wee gums into THIS?

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

HOW MANY TRILLION$ HIDDEN IN TAX HAVEN – NEW ZEALAND?

http://www.tv3.co.nz/October-7th—Treasure-Islands/tabid/2059/articleID/79739/Default.aspx

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/21-trillion-hidden-tax-havens-090428149.html

$21 trillion hidden in tax havens: campaign report

The world’s wealthiest individuals have stashed $21-trillion worth of assets in offshore tax havens, equivalent to the combined GDPs of the United States and Japan, a tax-transparency report said on Sunday.

The report commissioned by campaign group Tax Justice Network drew data from a wide range of sources including the Bank of International Settlements and the International Monetary Fund.

Report author James Henry, former chief economist at consultancy McKinsey, said that the headline figure was conservative, adding that up to $32 trillion may have found its way into havens such as the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.

According to Henry, these assets are “protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy”.

The report found that the top 10 private banks managed more than $6 trillion in 2010, up from $2.3 trillion five years earlier.

Tax expert and British government adviser John Whiting said he was doubtful of the figure.

“There clearly are some significant amounts hidden away, but if it really is that size what is being done with it all?” he asked.

The Tax Justice Network campaigns for tax transparency and against tax havens.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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October 8, 2012 2:41pm
Nookin

Penny
So what?
Trusts are legal.
Tax avoidance is legal (unless the only rationale for a transaction is tax avoidance inwhich case it is voidable [aas opposed to illegal])
Tax evasion is illegal. Are you saying that all though people are evading as opposed to avoiding tax

“Have [you] got any FACTS or EVIDENCE to back up this arguably highly defamatory allegation?”
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October 8, 2012 3:01pm
graham

… sits back and waits for Paula Bennett – I’m sorry, Penny Bright – to actually ANSWER a question …
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October 8, 2012 3:04pm
Nostradamus

… goes and watches some wet paint dry …
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October 8, 2012 3:05pm
Nookin

Ooops, couple of typos. Still laughing from watching John Clarke on quantitative easing. Brilliant.
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October 8, 2012 3:08pm
Keeping Stock

Occupy Auckland · 5,791 like this.
27 September at 12:06 ·

CAUTION: PENNY BRIGHT IN COURT CLAIMING TO REPRESENT OCCUPY AUCKLAND THREE DAYS AFTER SLAMMING US IN THE MEDIA.

If you look at Vinnie Eastwood’s You Tube Channel (GuerillaMedia) you will see an interview from last Sunday where Penny Bright publicly bashes:

the Occupy movement,
the Aotearoa is Not For Sale movement,
Unite Union,
Socialist Aotearoa,
Joe Carolan
John Minto (amongst others)

yet then three days later claims to a court to represent us.

Quite obviously, she does not represent us. As proven by her conduct.

You may remember Penny Bright & Chris Glen spent nearly the entire 2012 GA’s trying to DISBAND Occupy working groups, full of people who had donated countless time & resources to promote Occupy.

She has thwarted the cohesion of the movement at every turn. Her continuing similar conduct at other movement planning meetings led to her being expelled from several other movements than Occupy.

As such we denounce any attempt by her to “represent” the Occupy movement.

Please read http://occupysavvy.com/2012/09/24/cointelpro-occupy-the-war-within/ for full details. Ctrl-F “Penny Bright” to get to the part about her quickly.

Thank you to everyone who, despite the saboteurs and infiltration, continues to support our voluntary efforts to educate & unite the New Zealand people.

Penny Bright PRETENDS to represent the Occupy Auckland movement. That’s hardly the kind of behaviour that one would expect from a self-professed ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’ and “Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010”. It’s not especially transparent either. Narcissistic, perhaps, but transparent and anti-corrupt? Give me a break.
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October 8, 2012 3:28pm
Griff

To wof or not to wof
http://www.handsoffthewof.co.nz/
Government is considering extending the time between warrant of fitness checks. There’ll be extra risks, especially for older vehicles. When you consider the facts, having less frequent checks will only increase the cost and risk – and the change may cost lives. Here’s why.

Translate as give us your money and keep us in needless work
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October 8, 2012 4:12pm
Manolo

Labour and Labour lite can rejoice: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AP_LT_VENEZUELA_ELECTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-07-22-40-12
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October 8, 2012 6:27pm
Kevin

Oh thanks ks, go PENNY go!
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October 8, 2012 6:41pm
nasska

Another side of the story you won’t hear from the fundie whackos on this forum.

Ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/opinion/how-pot-helps-parenting.html?_r=3&
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October 8, 2012 7:46pm
Griff

Nasska the f undies get the same effect from contemplating the ineffable sky pixie 😆
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October 8, 2012 7:50pm
nasska

Griff

Satisfaction levels seem a little down amongst them though. A couple of hits of White Widow could give the miserable buggers a whole new outlook on life. 🙂
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October 8, 2012 7:58pm
nasska

Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal and says to
the first man he meets, “Do you want to go to heaven?”

The man said, “I do, Father.”

The priest said, “Then leave this pub right now!”

The priest approached a second man and said,
“Do you want to got to heaven?”

“Certainly, Father,” was the man’s reply.

“Then leave this den of Satan,” said the priest.

The priest walked up to O’Toole and said,
“Do you want to go to heaven?”

“No, I don’t, Father,” O’Toole replied.

The priest looked him right in the eye and said,
“You mean to tell me that, when you die, you don’t
want to go to heaven?”

O’Toole smiled. “Oh, when I die. Yes, sure, Father.
I thought you were getting a group together to go right
now.”
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October 8, 2012 8:01pm
hj

Deja vu
The Great Famine- The beginning of the 14th Century is marked by one of
the great disasters of human history. The rain started in 1315, and
continued particularly in the summers for 7 years. Like the 6th century
famines, this event changes everything. Unlike the 6th century famine, we
have much better records this time around. The history of this famine relies
on combining studies of skeletons, tree-ring-growth, and analyses of
infrastructure with accounts in chronicles and records of taxes, rents, and
the admission of new burghers to town institutions. Much of this information
is conveyed in numbers: dates, grain yields, weather data, prices.
Decrease in the food supply was not limited to a drop in grain production,
but extended to epidemics in herds and flocks and an acute drop in the
supply of salt needed to cure meats and fish that might have supplemented
the reduced supply of grain. Wars diverted resources to military needs that
might otherwise have been used to feed the hungry. A century of benign
weather had lulled individuals and communities into a state of unreadiness
for such an extended drop in production. Seven years of rainy summers
and cold winters brought one disaster on top of another. Foremost, of
course, was low productivity in grain crops. Already in the late thirteenth
century, yields in the colder parts of northern Europe and on “marginal”
lands were as low as 2:1 (2 bushels for each bushel sown) and probably
nowhere higher than about 7:1.
http://geochemistry.usask.ca/bill/Courses/Climate/The%20Great%20Famine_prt.pdf

Watching Prime @ 8:30pm
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October 8, 2012 8:13pm
Steve (North Shore)

Griff @ 4.12 re WOF

Options 3 and 4 combined.
But think about this: A boat on a trailer from USA, the trailer is registered as new even though it may be 4 years old or more.
So at the moment it is WOF every 12 months for the first 6 years. Have you ever seen what happens to a 5 year old trailer when it is not washed?
I reject many
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October 8, 2012 8:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10839224&ref=rss

There are brains in Rotovegas? wow, who knew?
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October 8, 2012 8:29pm
Pete George

Cheap flights, the video. Very funny.
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October 8, 2012 9:17pm
bereal

After just watching,’ Beyond The Darklands’ on tv about the Nia Glassie case i would like
to say,
Fucking disgusting, sickening, primative Maori scum.

This could not happen in any other culture except a scum Maori culture.

Disgusting scum. Maori scum.

Typical Maori fucking scum.
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October 8, 2012 9:38pm
wat dabney

hj,

Don’t believe that TV programme. Any claims about natural climate variation are the evil lies of climate deniers.
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October 8, 2012 9:52pm
hj

I thought of grumpyoldhori (always wanting to have a go) when i watched that Nia Glassie case. He does do it excessively.
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October 8, 2012 9:53pm
Megatron

Bereal, succinctly put, I asked myself the question where is that fucktard hone and his slapper acolyte Bradford? Those cunts should have had the the 9mm to the base of the cranium. Cunts!!
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October 8, 2012 9:55pm
hj

hj,

Don’t believe that TV programme. Any claims about natural climate variation are the evil lies of climate deniers.
………
admittedly natural variations in the weather would promote a belief that the climate is changing in the uninformed, but not the informed.
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October 8, 2012 9:56pm
bereal

wonder how long before some handwringing, self hating, Sxxm xxxt comes on and tells us that it’s all
our fault that Maori are disgusting scum who torture and kill their own children.

Fact is there is no race/culture on the face of the earth who abuse/kill their ‘mokopuna’ to the extent
that Maori scum do.

We need to face it.
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October 8, 2012 10:11pm
wat dabney

hj,

“admittedly natural variations in the weather would promote a belief that the climate is changing in the uninformed, but not the informed.”

So even evidence that the climate changes is not to be taken as evidence that the climate changes.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Of course, if you believe the evil lies of the TV programme then you must dismiss the Hockeystick and its supposed proof that there is no such natural climate variation.

Do you remember how sceptics were demonised for pointing out how the Hockeystick clearly missed known events like the Little Ice Age? You wouldn’t want to join them would you?

So which is it? Is the Hockeystick correct, or is the TV programme correct?
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October 8, 2012 10:11pm
Northland Wahine

bereal… i too watched Beyond the Darklands and was angry all over again. A child murdered at the hands of those who were suppose to be caring for her. And yes, you’re right… they are scum. Yes, they are also Maori.

However once again, you appear to tar all Maori with the same brush.

Well the Maori I associate with, my sons, my moko, my friends, are not scum. When I read such obvious racist tirad that you spew forth, I question why I bother to teach my own, tolerance forgiveness and love.
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October 8, 2012 10:22pm
Megatron

Northern Wahine,
Lets be honest, I would be embarrassed if I was from the same tribe, hapu, iwi or whatever. They are scum, as identified Bereal.
One eye going for the shopping the other coming back with the change, dopy looking, ugly people, not worthy of this worlds oxygen.
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October 8, 2012 10:59pm
bereal

Northland Wahine
OK, sorry, i may have gone a bit overboard there. i was angry and disgusted. Embarrassed to be a Kiwi.

i do take you at your word regarding the Maori you associate with.

However.

How do YOU account for the fact that there is no other people on earth who torture and kill
their own ‘mokopuna’ anywhere near at the rate that Maori do ?

Thats not racist, that is just stating a fact.

When you read the facts and label the correspodent who brings them to your attention as “racist’
you are just dodging the issue. That is the problem in New Zealand.
If you call a spade a spade in NZ, then you must be a RACIST. See the problem there Northland Wahine ?

How can the problem ever be solved if we are too gutless to confront it and just abuse those who draw
attention to it ?
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October 8, 2012 11:24pm
Northland Wahine

How do I account for what other people do to their own, Bereal? I don’t. I do not, nor will I take responsibility for every criminal and negligent act every Maori has done. Do you feel like you have to? For every criminal act a male does? Do you have the answer for that?

There is no way in hell do I believe that these children’s blight should be ignored. I have always spoke AND I act against it. However consider this Bereal. That little girl was Maori too. Was she scum too? By being born Maori? Because if you follow your own logic, she is. If she had lived, you have already condemned for what she was. Bereal… Be angry at these people, be passionate as you can about making a difference to young children’s lives. Just don’t label all Maori scum because like it or not, it’s racist.
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October 8, 2012 11:47pm
Kevin

Be real you are being sucked in by the iwi scam. The freedom to self identify as Maori is why they are over-represented in the statistics. Say on average Maori are 1/4 Maori – then for every four crimes caused by a self identified “Maori” only one is caused by a full Maori. The other 3 crimes are committed by European.

It’s a scam to keep the iwi in power. As long as they can point to poor underpirveledged no good Maori, they can ask for more money from the government. Thanks they say. Trickle down, what’s that. Trickle up suits them better.

Add to that the tendency for people who have failed or done something wrong to self identify as Maori, and the tendency when people to do something right to self identify as pakeha or New Zealander, and the statistics are enormously skewed against Maori. If a 1/4 Maori person commits a crime, why are,they allowed to say the crime was committed by a Maori?

It’s a scam. Self identification is a scam.

My children are Maori, but they are not failures, kid bashers, criminals or layabouts. They are successful people in their own right.

Don’t perpetuate the scam by calling Maoris , like my children, no hopers or criminals. Firstly,it’s not true, and secondly you are just being used to echo the iwi and cement their power. It is a scam.
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October 9, 2012 12:32am
Griff

Climate gate emails eight reviews find no fault yet still used by nutters to deny science

NZ temperature record claim its false checked then reviewed by interdependent scientists claim its again false go to court lose claim its false and science does not belong in court and ignore independent evidence of temperature increase

Arctic ice melt same
Winter Antarctic ice expansion ignore the models and claim that they say the ice should melt in the Antarctic same as Arctic and 5 percent increase in winter over thirty years is the same as 60% loss in summer over same time span straw man argument and patently false.

Notice any pattern

Now the fall back position is stop denial of temperature records and base claims on its natural for climate to change
even though as above we have not seen such global increases in the historical record
Ten further studies have backed up the original hockey stick yet as usual denial based on the flimsy claim’s of one man that ignore all subsequent research
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October 9, 2012 12:41am
bereal

NW @ 11.47
Fair points. Well said.
i was wrong to suggest all Maori are scum.
i was wound up watching that account of poor little Nia. Still, thats no excuse at all.
i didn’t really intend to say that although after re reading what i said i must concede that is what i did say.
That was wrong.

By the way, Griff…. fuck off you fool.
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October 9, 2012 1:15am
Pete George

bereal, your abusive approach here is a part of the problem. You’re not calling a spade a spade. You’re calling all garden implements faulty spades. What’s the different in principle between you flying off the handle here and someone, Maori, part Maori or non Maori, from flying off the handle at home and harming their kids? Your over the top unreasonable raging is not dissimilar to over the top unreasonable raging within families.

You may claim to never be violent in real life. But those who are violent aren’t the only problem. Antagonising is also a part of the problem. Unsubstantiated exaggerations are also a part of the problem. Labeling unfairly is also a part of the problem. Getting ‘wouind up’ and overreacting is a part of the problem.

And try learning what ‘calling a spade a spade’ means. It doesn’t mean abusing large groups of people as if they are all abusers.

Non-abusive people should speak up more against abuse. Non-abusively. And fairly.
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October 9, 2012 6:21am
Viking2

Another half arsed fuckup by the National Cabinet.

Axe hovers over youth pay
By Claire Trevett
5:30 AM Tuesday Oct 9, 2012

Firms will be able to give more recruits less than the minimum wage – and for longer.
The number of unemployed New Zealanders in the 15- to 24-year-old bracket stands at 61,700.

The National Government will unveil the details of its version of the “youth wage” today – allowing employers to pay less than the minimum wage to many young workers, including those starting new jobs or going to work after being on a benefit.

It is understood Ministers Kate Wilkinson and Steven Joyce will announce details, including the start date, of the Starting Out Wage, which Prime Minister John Key announced during the election campaign last year as one of its initiatives to tackle high youth unemployment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10839268

4 Years late and a half arsed fuckup.

Will they never learn?
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October 9, 2012 6:28am
Manolo

Will they never learn?

Not soon enough. Only the day after Labour lite has lost the election.
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October 9, 2012 6:53am
Manolo

Another great fan: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/10/08/snoop-doggs-top-15-rap-sheet-items/
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October 9, 2012 6:58am
Kea

What’s the different in principle between you flying off the handle here and someone, Maori, part Maori or non Maori, from flying off the handle at home and harming their kids?

Pete George, I see the analogy you are trying to draw, but there is big difference between letting off steam (verbally) and torturing a child to death. What you are attempting to do here, is the same thing the anti-smacking advocates have done. Your principle is that any violence or aggression opens the door to greater violence. Although this may sound sensible, it ignores the degree of force.

If we take your thinking to its logical conclusion, then no force would ever be used. We could do away with our Army and Police (force). We could also do away with Kiwi Blog, as verbal abuse is a purely subjective thing and any challenge to a person’s views could be considered aggression.

I see your point, do you see mine?
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October 9, 2012 7:19am
Griff

beryl is drunk and abusive not news and not taken to hart. If you would like to counter an argument come up with reason not pointless abuse.
I agree with you kea this is not a touchy feely forum of feel good platitudes and those who abuse get abused back.
Beryl attacks everyone he disagrees with the same style of abuse as above it just makes him look pathetic a little like red put without reds knack of parodying his own vitriol.

Its words folks and they don’t hurt is less you want them to 😀
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October 9, 2012 8:03am
Pete George

Your principle is that any violence or aggression opens the door to greater violence.

I didn’t say that, nor do I think that. Many people can control their violence and agressiveness, on blogs and in families. And far too many can’t.

I was referring to over the top and unreasonable abuse. That’s what I think bereal often resorts to here – they admitted as much, but then next comment told someone else to “fuck off you fool”.

Abusing, apologising, then abusing again is a very common pattern in violent families.

And calling a spade a spade, I think bereal resorts too often to excessive personal abuse here, and doesn’t have reasonable control of their comments. That’s far more than a light smack.
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