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October 31, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Johnboy

I used to smoke forty a day and could carry a stag up a 500 metre hill at a fair clip when I was thirty.

Since I gave up and doubled my age I have trouble carrying a six pack up the stairs, but it still feels as good when you unload at the top! 🙂
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October 31, 2012 7:45pm
Longknives

Ummm okay.. that was a little ‘left-field’….

So Sun Tsu supports the Adidas All Blacks??
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October 31, 2012 7:45pm
Yvette

How is Fill, Johnboy?
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October 31, 2012 7:52pm
Kea

These lightweights can have fun conducting their circle fuck

Who’s turn is it to bring the condoms boys or should we go bareback like last week? Just think, we can all get married soon 🙂
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October 31, 2012 7:54pm
Johnboy

Going by his demands on the food supply rearing a fine clutch of fledglings I suspect Yvette.

At least he’s not on welfare to support his breeding! 🙂
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October 31, 2012 7:55pm
Pauleastbay

“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.” Sun Tzu

Direct from the book, I presume this is what you are trying to achieve Bereal, the subtleness and formlessmess bit anyway
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October 31, 2012 7:56pm
Johnboy

Reading from the book is often a sign of those suffering from religious mania PEB. 🙂
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October 31, 2012 7:59pm
nasska

Apparently sperm lives up to 18 hours after ejaculation.
So if you’ve just had a wank and you’re going out, don’t forget to leave the telly on for them.
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October 31, 2012 8:01pm
bereal

See the response from Longknives, Kea and Paulestbay so far.

Forget Sun Tsu,

Remember Dads Army.

“They don’t like it up them, do they Captain Mannering.”

C’mon Griff, missing in action so far.
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October 31, 2012 8:02pm
Pauleastbay

Its actually got a lot in common with the bible JB- no one knows who actually wrote it and who most of the stuff in it can be attributed to – but at least its not used as the basis for a religion -rather as a guide for living ,like I think the bible should be – not to be taken literally
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October 31, 2012 8:03pm
Johnboy

And never throw the tissues into the local pond nasska.

You may create more KB commenters! 🙂
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October 31, 2012 8:04pm
Johnboy

Benny Hill has just started. See you all later! 🙂
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October 31, 2012 8:05pm
Griff

Are you implying that pond scum and KB commentators have something in common JB?
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October 31, 2012 8:06pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Why did police decide not to charge JJ’s mother PEB, and what would have been the broad result if they had. Would any message have got out there to a mother not ‘noticing’ injuries to her child or leaving a child with a stranger?
This case looks like ‘selective’ construction as to whose singular responsibility it was, rather than how many were responsible for JJ’s death and the circumstances that led to it.
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October 31, 2012 8:06pm
Pauleastbay

N-NZ

I haven’t even followed it, just another shit story in sad lives. There is always the old thing- one solid conviction is better than not getting any, I just don’t know
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October 31, 2012 8:11pm
Longknives

“Remember Dads Army- They don’t like it up them, do they Captain Mannering.”

Wouldn’t an old ‘Public-School’ boy like Captain George Mainwaring support the Red Rose of England??
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October 31, 2012 8:12pm
bereal

Nostalgia-NZ

Now you are getting closer to the truth of solving this disgusting New Zealand problem.

See my reference to Sun Zhu. 7.43

The answer has been in front of us for thousands of years.

My interpretation of solving this is to hold the mother responsible.

Make the slag responsible, make her pay big time
Frighten the slag so she acts almost like any other
mother would.

No use asking PEB

He has no idea.
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October 31, 2012 8:22pm
nasska

Q. How do you know when the contents of a fridge belong to an Welshman?

A. There’s love bites on the leg of lamb.
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October 31, 2012 8:23pm
Longknives

Now England 2003- There was a forward pack! Hard bastards like Jason Leonard, Steve Thompson, Lawrence Dallaglio and Martin Johnson..’Old School’ hard bastards like the All Blacks used to be.
Now we have Ali ‘I’m a comedian everyone loves me’ Williams- who seems to have some kind of bizarre hold over the selection panel (despite only actually playing once or twice a year)
RIP New Zealand rugby…
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October 31, 2012 8:24pm
Kea

My interpretation of solving this is to hold the mother responsible.

Make the slag responsible, make her pay big time
Frighten the slag so she acts almost like any other
mother would.

Agreed. It is very rare the mother will not know of the abuse.

I know a number of women who were molested/raped by friends or partners of their mother. In all cases the mother knew what was going on, but chose to ignore it to keep her man. This leaves the woman feeling very betrayed. All too often we see the woman, who allows this, made out as a “victim”.

Then there are the many woman who are the actually the ones conducting the abuse…
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October 31, 2012 8:29pm
Longknives

“No use asking PEB
He has no idea”

I’m pretty sure that PEB being a copper for a year or two would qualify him quite highly to comment on Law and Order issues. Those guys are at the ‘coalface’ and regularly see things that would give Joe Average nightmares for life….
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October 31, 2012 8:42pm
bereal

Kea
You began to make some sense. But then.
Why fuck it up with your last two stupid paragraphs ?

By the way, you must be unique in knowing, “a number of women who were molested/raped by friends
or partners of their mother.”

Most people reading your post would be able to discerne that you are full of shit.

Consult with your father before making a bigger fool of yoursef in future.
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October 31, 2012 8:42pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Actually bereal PEB does have a real idea, as you do and I might.
There would have been a message if she had been charged, an unfortunate one to the sensibilities of most observers. But a message nevertheless.
I got interested in thinking about the area where this happened. In the vicinity of of Keepa Road I seem to recall, where further along is the memorial to Savage and below the graveyard and all around the memory of the Bastion Point protests.
Mostly it was the Hawkes that spoke there for the families and the tribe, it would be good to have heard them speak about the death of JJ.
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October 31, 2012 8:43pm
bereal

Longknives
if you are an idiot, how does being a copper for a few years change that ?

Any way i’ve had enough for tonight.

Good luck to your families.

G’nite.
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October 31, 2012 8:47pm
Kea

By the way, you must be unique in knowing, “a number of women who were molested/raped by friends
or partners of their mother.”

Most people reading your post would be able to discerne that you are full of shit.

One of them was my ex wife of 15 years. Abused from the age of 7 until about 14. Her mum knew about it.

I met another the other day. She was raped by a friend of her mother at 16. She reckons the guy asked her mum. Her mum was an alcoholic.

I don’t care what “most people” think. It does not change facts.
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October 31, 2012 8:47pm
Kea

Oh look, bereal is pissed again and ready to sleep it off.

I was looking forward to more of his drunken ranting 🙂
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October 31, 2012 8:52pm
mikenmild

‘Hold the woman responsible’. Wow, just wow.
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October 31, 2012 8:55pm
Kea

Mikenmild,

So you reckon that women who allow there kids to be abused, should be let off?

Better to let the kids suffer/die and go after the nearest male, to keep our feminist masters happy?

I think I prefer the Saudi model of “womins” rights to yours.
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October 31, 2012 8:58pm
Longknives

Bereal didn’t even take the bait regarding the mighty 2003 English Rugby team…
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October 31, 2012 8:59pm
mikenmild

Kea
Some women abuse their own kids; some participate in the abuse of their own kids; some incite their partners to abuse their own kids, some acquiesce because they don’t care; some convince themselves it isn’t happening; some will be beaten or killed if they do anything, etc, etc. Need I go on? Like most of human behaviour, there is a spectrum of sorts.

No staggeringly stupid one-line cliches represent any kind of solution.
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October 31, 2012 9:19pm
Kea

Yeah I know all that mikenmild. Whats your point, or are you showing off how smart you are?

I was assuming other readers would know all that too, and I did not want to insult their intelligence by pointing out the obvious. Clearly you are not concerned about that.

There is also nothing wrong with making generalizations. Exceptions do not make the rule and I do not need to refer to all the billions of people on earth individually every time I make a valid statement.

>No staggeringly stupid one-line cliches represent any kind of solution.<

Ok what is your solution smart-arse?

You are such a self-righteous self-absorbed bore, I am sure you must have some idea.
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October 31, 2012 9:35pm
mikenmild

I’m not proposing this nonsense (was it bereal?) so I’d say it was over to those who think it’s a good idea to articulate a sensible argument to support it.
I’m all in favour of people being held accountable for harm, but I don’t have a miracle cure to sell and I doubt that locking up more women is likely to help much when they are the fastest growing segment of the prison population already.
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October 31, 2012 9:44pm
Kea

Ok. But what is your solution?

So what if they (women) are the fastest growing segment of the prison population?

Using that logic should we jail less child molesters ? After all, you think jail is no “help” for those who torture babies to death. Your ok with letting them stay free !

I agree jail is rarely a good solution (for anything) but why does that fact only apply to women, in your world?
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October 31, 2012 9:57pm
mikenmild

As I said, I’m all in favour of people being held accountable for harm. Did I have to explain that does not mean letting those who torture babies go free? Some women are quite rightly in jail. A rising prison population is rarely a good sign so I’m naturally cautious about applying a more punitive approach on the basis of gender alone when the numbers of women in jail have already been rising rapidly.
I’m not going to propose a solution. I am not obligated to do so. It’s a little like Russell’s teapot for atheists – extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A proponent of holding the women responsible should be able to advance some argument in support of that extraordinary opinion.
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October 31, 2012 10:12pm
Kea

I did advance an argument in support.

Women get a much easier time in our justice system and they know it and they take-the-piss big time.

Don’t even think about telling me otherwise. I have spent a fair amount of time in a Court room and have seen it first hand.

Its appalling how little they are held accountable compared with similar situations involving men. The neglectful abusive mothers just palm off responsibility to a man. Our justice system is only too happy to oblige, as it fits the feminist narritive nicely (its ALL mens fault)
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October 31, 2012 10:46pm
mikenmild

Fair enough, I concede that is an argument. It’s not an argument that I find persuasive on the face of it or on it being backed by what you have seen in court. I should have thought that results – more prosecutions and imprisonment of women – would tend to suggest otherwise.
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October 31, 2012 10:52pm
calendar girl

Joana @ 5:18pm – “FrankPJ
I couldn’t get thru to your link..but I agree , the elephant in the room in NZ , is paedophilia….How long before Calendar Girl turns up?”
OK, Joana, here I am. But you’ve lost me totally. What is that comment all about?
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October 31, 2012 11:07pm
Kea

What is suggests mike is that women are offending more and more, knowing they have to be pretty rotten before they will ever see a cell.

This applies to single mothers most of all, who will cart their kids along to sentencing and all appearances leading up to it. They know dam well how reluctant a judge is to send a mother to jail.

For a women to go to jail, she has to really work at it.
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October 31, 2012 11:13pm
Reid

Have a look at the link at 10:47 calendar girl.
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October 31, 2012 11:15pm
Luc Hansen

Kea (498) Says:
October 31st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
What is suggests mike is that women are offending more and more, knowing they have to be pretty rotten before they will ever see a cell.

That’s a pretty cold and calculating thinking process you are suggesting for our fair maidens, Kea.

I haven’t seen prosecutors alleging premeditation often, if at all, in cases where women do abuse their kids, certainly not in the cases published in the media that I have seen.

Do you any have evidence for your assertion?
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October 31, 2012 11:23pm
Kea

I checked out the link. You would have to be pretty green to think that was credible.

I think there is way more to that story !
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October 31, 2012 11:24pm
Kea

I have the “evidence” of my own own eyes and ears Luc.

I have seen many men get screwed over and many guilty women walk free. It happens enough to be a pattern.

I feel no need to expand on that to prove what I already know, to KB readers. Either you accept it or not.
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October 31, 2012 11:28pm
Luc Hansen

tom hunter (3,770) Says:
October 31st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Mike Bloomberg is a neoliberal, ruthlessly successful capitalist and he has no problem grasping the science. NYC is lucky to have him …

Poor Luc, far behind the ball, as usual.

Here’s what Brendan Loy – Warmist and self-proclaimed Weather Nerd, whose site was just about the best to follow during this hurricane, including alerting people to its possibilities days earlier than the MSM – had to say about Bloomberg on his twitter:

Brendan Loy @brendanloy

“With this storm, we’ll likely see a slow pileup of water rather than a sudden surge” -Michael Bloomberg, idiot, 10/27/12. #ImpeachBloomberg 30 Oct 12

and again …

Brendan Loy @brendanloy

Bloomberg’s “less dangerous” non-”sudden surge” was every bit as ignorant junk science as Akin’s comment, & far more consequential. #resign

Tom, Tom, Tom…

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/30/an_eyewitness_report_on_flooding_in

Quote from report: “And what we saw last night was that the surge swept in throughout basically the entire neighborhood…”

But hey, what would the people actually in the surge area know, eh Tom?
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October 31, 2012 11:30pm
Manolo

Seriously, there is no reason whatsoever to justify Ali Williams’ selection.
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November 1, 2012 6:32am
Manolo

Showing guts to make a bold prediction: http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/264935-here-comes-the-landslide
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