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October 25, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 25 October 2012

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Nostalgia-NZ

Pauleastbay

I’m taking some liberties with the details because I haven’t read the judgement, but the word fraud I assume was applied to the false search warrant signed by somebody in the police. Either that or it may have been for the advances taken by police beyond the letter they presented to Russell Johnson.

Putting that aside, a significant blow was landed against the gang and it’s associates according to one of the defence lawyers. Some apparently have litigation ahead if they are to recover their positions before this happened. There were other elements of over stepping, claims that the agent was in danger of being outed and so on. This became too easy for police and the line of upholding the law became obscure.

The Court was firm in it’s position. Maybe not a popular decision but very important nonetheless. As you say the police will continue on but will hopefully not use these tactics again or try to fudge the lines. I thought Peter Bouchier sp? made good points about this situation today as did Justice France when he said ‘police were playing fast and loose with the Courts.’ That protects the public. The gang may have got a brief respite but that is all. Few interested in the law will see that any apparent benefit to those that had charges dropped against doesn’t outweigh the public interest in seeing the maintenance and administration of the law upheld.
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October 25, 2012 8:24pm
Griff

Re post nasska but only those of us that contribute the’odd’ joke will recognise it

Jb we in new Zealand a blessed with a surplus of nettles including one that can be fatal
ongaonga/tree nettle botanical name, Urtica ferox, this killer plant is well-documented. Like all nettles, it is covered in stinging hairs that put poison into the skin of a person or animal that brushes against it.It often grows on farm land, having an affinity for sheep shit. 😀
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urtica_ferox
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October 25, 2012 8:30pm
Pauleastbay

Nostalgia agree with most of what you say, its Tony Bouchier

The link below has just been put up on Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7863518/Police-review-after-undercover-embarrassment

“Justice Simon France said police had committed a fraud on the court and acted disrespectfully towards judges. ”

I interpret that as I commented above as a poor chose of word rather than an implication that the police had acted criminally

“Justice France said they didn’t act in bad faith but their approach was inadequate.” –

and there is no argument with that statement from the Judge, but that falls well short of what I’ve heard today as a ‘attack on the judicary by the coppers”.

It was serious shit that young cop was into, all this was was an attempt to protect him – misguided perhaps but not sinister
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October 25, 2012 8:33pm
Johnboy

Doesn’t explain how in a country that only has fuckin leeks as the national poison you can get sheep shagger’s galore though Griff? 🙂
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October 25, 2012 8:35pm
Griff

How do you think the leeks get that lovely white translucent sheen JB we bury them in sheep shit 😉
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October 25, 2012 8:45pm
Johnboy

And here was me thinking you wanked all over them! 🙂
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October 25, 2012 8:48pm
Griff

ehhmm no
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October 25, 2012 8:51pm
nasska

Did you know the Welsh have found a new use for sheep?

Wool
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October 25, 2012 8:54pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Pauleastbay.

I’m fine with that. I hadn’t read any reports that it was an attack on the judiciary which would be absolute nonsense suggestion. A taking of advantages? Yes.
I accept without question that it’s perilous territory for the undercover as Bouchier, yourself and others know only too well.
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October 25, 2012 8:54pm
Reid

A word to the wise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__L7LjegqvA&feature=related

Fools of course continue to tread where angels fear.
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October 25, 2012 8:54pm
liarbors a joke

give it a rest sharples

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8554096/teach-maori-history-in-schools-sharples
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October 25, 2012 8:59pm
Yvette

… and it is still not nine o’clock already
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October 25, 2012 8:59pm
Yvette

Oh … there we go
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October 25, 2012 9:00pm
Griff

The welsh and the kiwis and all along we have missed the real culprits
http://www.sven-kommt.de/
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October 25, 2012 9:02pm
Johnboy

Yvette is the new (self appointed) keeper of the Gun! 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_O%27Clock_Gun
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October 25, 2012 9:03pm
Tauhei Notts

Nasska at 8.01.
I came on here because I have to do a speech on Sunday. Mixed company, but I was looking for a story to tell.
Nasska’s stories are legendary and that one will be repeated on Sunday.
Nasska; keep up the good work.
Last time I quoted one of Nasska’s stories the only problem was the cleaners’ expenses.
Too many people pissed themselves laughing.
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October 25, 2012 9:13pm
calendar girl

Joana @ 4:49pm – I wouldn’t normally care how you expressed one of your posts, as long as I understood its intended message and it wasn’t written in txt-speak. But in your criticism of charter schools above you chose to play the man rather than to debate the merits or otherwise of such schools, i.e. you limited yourself to vilifying promoter John Banks for his “poor English”.

Please explain to us, therefore, your own miserable English grammar in the final sentence of your post: “There has probably been other articles since.”

Here’s your idiom of the day (to be committed to memory, I suggest): “People who live in glass-houses shouldn’t throw stones.”
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October 25, 2012 9:28pm
Johnboy

Ah JK is reversing Helen’s policies and allowing some useful Islamic refugees into NZ I see. 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7863429/Kiwi-homes-for-Afghan-interpreters
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October 25, 2012 9:30pm
Manolo

Co-leader Pita Sharples says one of the reasons Maori students don’t do well at school is that their culture isn’t acknowledged.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8554096/teach-maori-history-in-schools-sharples

His use of the word “culture” is a bit excessive. Way of life, maybe.
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October 25, 2012 9:43pm
EverlastingFire

JB – What skills do they have? Or should we lay down the red carpet to WINZ?

Manolo – Somehow I think cannibalism, slavery and infanticide would be off the curriculum? 😀
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October 25, 2012 11:22pm
joana

CG.
Playing the ball not the man is a tedious cliche. You obviously don’t know the man or the nickname he is known by to all in the NZ Police but I love your commitment to your ideology.
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October 26, 2012 4:43am
Manolo

A lesson for Double Dipton English? http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-was-a-disloyal-deputy-says-mckew-20121025-288bb.html
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October 26, 2012 7:28am
calendar girl

Joana: Whether or not I knew the person’s nickname, I wouldn’t lower myself to attack his views on charter schools solely on the basis of his English skills. Especially if my own English grammar was as slap-dash as yours turned out to be in your comment of yesterday.

But you appear to remain pig-headedly unrepentant about attacking the man rather than his views, so do enjoy your day with that kind of approach.
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October 26, 2012 9:47am

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