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October 22, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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jaba

went to the Akl town hall for a show yesterday .. NZ Pops O Sole Mio is was called. Not my cup of tea BUT I really enjoyed it.
Who but none other than Mr Speaker sang a duet with a young fella called Will Martin. Sir Lockwood did pretty well I must say. Interesting that he is so cool in his speaker role but looked really nervous before singing .. imagine Margaret Wilson or Johnny Hunt doing something like that.
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October 22, 2012 8:08am
wat dabney

16 years without any warming is confirmed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220722/Global-warming-The-Mail-Sunday-answers-world-warming-not.html
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October 22, 2012 8:44am
big bruv

Two questions for Labour day Monday.

1. Has Matt McCarten paid the tax man the $150,750 he owes and if not, why not?

2. Has Winston Peters repaid the taxpayer the $158,000 he took from us and if not, why not?
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October 22, 2012 8:46am
Monique Watson

Tall Poppy Syndrome outed. Rupublican Ad running on TV:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/10/anti-socialism-ad-of-hungari-born-us.html
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October 22, 2012 8:50am
Kea

Wat, try and keep up with things. The end-of-the-world global warming cult has been completely dis-credited. Its hard-core adherents are becoming increasingly marginalised and pitied, by informed people.

I guess they will just have to find another vehicle for their socialist agenda, along with another source for those billions of dollars.
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October 22, 2012 9:11am
big bruv

This is hilarious. The New Zealand national rugby team coach pissing and moaning about the Ockers stealing “our” players.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/7845837/Hansen-slams-Aussie-poaching-of-Kiwi-talent

Given that the NZ has stolen players from the pacific islands for two generations I imagine that the rest of the rugby world will be doubled over with laughter at the comments of Mr Hansen.
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October 22, 2012 9:12am
liarbors a joke

Bit harsh the ockers keep targeting Richie our king on the field..lay off eh boys.
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October 22, 2012 9:15am
big bruv

If McCaw is targeted by the ockers it might have more to do with the way he plays the game than it does with anything else.

Perhaps if McCaw stopped breaking the laws of the game and the refs stopped letting him get away with it then there might be a different attitude toward him from the opposition.
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October 22, 2012 9:21am
liarbors a joke

Just winding ya up BB….I know you love the guy..
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October 22, 2012 9:29am
flipper

Big Bruv might be better known as dumb shit.

Dumb shit, did you not see Higginbottom’s attack Whitelock’s head (while the latter’s arms were trapped) at a maul, twisting and wrenching his head in a manner could have caused death or, at best, paraplegia. That incident piceeded the knee and head but incidents and is clearly seen on TV.

Incidentally, dumb shit, attacking a player’s exposed head is absolutely verboten…and a yellow / red card offence.

Does McCaw break the rules at the “break down” ? Yes, but no more than any other player. Time for you to learn about the game and the rules, dumb shit!
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October 22, 2012 9:33am
MT_Tinman

The New Zealand national rugby team coach

I’ll conceed that they are New Zealanders and play rugby but seriously question the rest.
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October 22, 2012 9:34am
grumpyoldhori

Hansen has a solution, just pick ALL promising players for a tour and chuck them a black jersey.
Once they have played for an adult NZ rugby team no other country can select them.
It should be that as soon as a player turns out for the under 20s that is it.
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October 22, 2012 9:53am
lilman

Shit we got soft somewhere.
All Blacks are meant to be men,so Ritchie got a bit roughed up ,hell harden the fuck up boys.
Plenty of shit goes down in sport ,if he aint tough enough go play soccer.
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October 22, 2012 9:57am
Viking2

Talking about harden up type sport have a gander at this. Real mens stuff.
Like always though the wingers and bigbruvs want the sport canned.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7846013/Ban-rodeos-activist-says
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October 22, 2012 10:07am
Morgy

Why do you think Richie doesn’t spit the dummy? He knows the deal. It’s all the others winging about ‘hurting our Richie’. That’s why he is so good. Let alone his ability to play the game, he knows his role and the outcomes of living on the edge (if not beyond). It’s great to watch!!
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October 22, 2012 10:15am
Keeping Stock

Quite so Morgy. Even open-side flanker worth his salt pushes the Laws of the Game to (and often beyond) their absolute limit, and plays to the tolerance levels of the referee. How often has McCaw been yellow-carded in test matches? Not that often, because he has the composure to pull back when one is threatened.

Even if McCaw was illegally on the wrong side of the ruck, there was no justification whatsoever for Higginbotham dropping a knee into his face, then head-butting McCaw whilst holding his head so that he could not escape. He needs to be suspended for a meaningful period.
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October 22, 2012 10:22am
Morgy

Exactly KS. That’s the fun of it….watching others who can’t control themselves because he gets in their heads. Enjoy your summer Higginbotham….it’s starting early for you.
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October 22, 2012 10:27am
Scott Chris

16 years without any warming is confirmed

Tabloid rubbish.

Misleading Daily Mail Article Pre-Bunked by Nuccitelli et al. (2012)
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October 22, 2012 10:33am
Kea

The same “tabloid rubbish” that promoted AGW in the first place Scotty.

Can’t have it both ways mate.
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October 22, 2012 10:35am
Keeping Stock

So much for King Tuheitia’s romantic vision on Maori being united behind him and the Maori Council. Ngai Tahu are smart cookies when it comes to getting bang for their buck, and not only do they not believe that the Mighty River Power part-sale will have no effect on water rights, they’ll likely as not be buying their share. Ngai Tahu has multipied its initial settlement by almost five times since 1994, so if they reckon that MRP is a good investment, I’ll definitely be buying a package of shares.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/ngai-tahu-breaks-ranks.html
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October 22, 2012 10:35am
labrator

List of players born in a different country than represented at the last Rugby World Cup
New Zealand: Imports 4, Exports 38
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October 22, 2012 10:39am
cha

Scott, it was in The Daily‘Hoorah for the Blackshirts’ Mail so of course it’s true.
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October 22, 2012 10:44am
Andrei

Heh

The Bright Light of Science Has Proven That There Is No God
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October 22, 2012 10:44am
Reid

Sometimes we forget that social engineering is everywhere. Gays tell us they number around 10%. Other estimates put it around 2%. The latter figure seems more likely to me, thinking back to my school days, I find it hard to believe that one in ten were gay. But even if it is 10%, that means 90% of us aren’t. But hey, the Aussies are about to start telling kids that the 90% aren’t normal, it’s the 10% who are. If that’s not arse about face, then what is? Social engineering relies on propaganda, not truth. And in propaganda, as we know, if you’re going to lie, make it a big lie. “The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed.” – Goebbals. Social engineering also relies on zealous persecution of anyone who doesn’t buy into the program. Of course the fact they are persecuting people means absolutely nothing to the zealots, in their twisted thinking, it’s the persecuted who are the evil ones, all they’re doing is standing up for the “victims” and that makes everything OK. However they’re butting up against human nature here. While apparently, 60% of women aren’t repelled by the thought of sex with another woman, the figure is much lower in men thinking of sex with another man. But now, straight boys and girls are going to be told by their teachers to get over that innate feeling, lest they stand guilty of a hate crime. Just wait for the Gweens to push for exactly the same thing here.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/children-to-be-taught-39heterosexuality-not-the-norm39-in-australian-school
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October 22, 2012 10:48am
Keeping Stock

@ Morgy – I agree completely; Higginbotham should be suspended from Australia’s end-of-season tour. However the weak-kneed SANZAR judiciary will probably give him a two or three week suspension at a time where there will be no matches for him to miss, as they did with the South African Dean Greyling who was suspended for two weeks but only for one match.

Almost as bad however was Robbie Deans’ limp “I was probably writing notes when it happened” defence of his player. His refusal to denounce Higginbotham’s thuggery contrasted strongly with Heyneke Meyer’s apology for Greyling’s “cheap shot”. I know which coach I now have the greater respect for.
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October 22, 2012 10:52am
Fletch

A result of the Obama Administration’s getting rid of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?
Soon, even the Army won’t be able to do it’s job; instead it will become another progressive, politically correct organiztion, concerned with other than what they should be concerned with: protecting their country.

A female solider is taking the name “Keith” as she begins the hormone treatment necessary to complete her sex change.

The soldier, who says she’s been married to another woman for two years, is currently deployed to Afghanistan.

This shines a new light on President Obama’s repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” (DADT) and shows how that repeal didn’t simply allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. Rather, it politicized the military to new and unheard of levels, moving it further away from its central role as a war-fighting machine and placing it more in more in the arena of social experimentation.

In fact, because of “Keith’s” story, some groups are arguing that the repeal of DADT did not go far enough. They claim the military now needs to change its rules for “transgender people,” so that they too can serve honorably and openly.

Welcome to war-fighting under the Obama doctrine.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/21/The-Obama-Doctrine-Trading-Bullets-for-Sex-Change-Hormones-in-Afghanistan

(CNSNews.com) – A 26-year-old lesbian deployed to Afghanistan reportedly brought along male hormones — part of her ongoing sex change from female to male, the Military Times reported this week.

The Specialist — who eventually plans to take the name “Keith” — says she has been legally married to a woman for the past two years. Contacted in Afghanistan by the newspaper, Keith said her voice is getting deeper: “I’m getting more muscle. I feel more energy. I feel more like myself,” she was quoted as saying.

Keith also told the Military Times that her deployment to Afghanistan is a good opportunity to start taking male hormones: “I work out about every day, so the body definition is looking good.” She said she’s able to work out more when she’s deployed than she could when she’s home.

The article notes that the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” last year allowed homosexuals to serve openly in the military, but it did not address transgender individuals. The Military Times said under military policy, troops diagnosed with “gender identity disorder” are deemed medically unfit for service and face administration separation.

Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN), a group that advocates “full LGBT equality” in the U.S. military, says transgender service is one of the issues that still must be addressed:

“It’s a positive step that gays and lesbians serving our country can no longer be discharged just for who they are or whom they love. Sadly, that is not true for transgender people, who have served — and are serving — honorably while sacrificing who they are,” SLDN said last month, as it marked the one-year anniversary of the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

“Today we are thinking of our trans brothers and sisters, and commit that we will fight for their equality as well,” said Sue Fulton, Executive Director of Knights Out, an organization of West Point alumni, staff and faculty united in supporting the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/lesbian-soldier-begins-sex-change-process-during-deployment-afghanistan
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October 22, 2012 10:54am
Fletch

Oh dear…

Russell Crowe gushing about Obama on Twitter.
Doesn’t he know it’s not 2008?

Villagers,I don’t endorse politicians.Not my thing.However, Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light. Put America first.

Obama is the “light and the future”?
Really, Russell?
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October 22, 2012 10:58am
Viking2

Benefit cards showing Pins stir security fears
KATE CHAPMAN
Last updated 05:00 22/10/2012

The lax safeguards of payment cards issued to teenage beneficiaries – with the personal identification number (Pin) printed on the card – have been widely criticised.

The cards, which are being rolled out to about 2600 young people, also require a signature, but that is hardly secure, a security expert says.

Ha what a fuckup.
Pin numbers printed on cards. Surley many need to be stripped of their enormous salaries.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7845428/Benefit-cards-showing-Pins-stir-security-fears
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October 22, 2012 11:00am
flipper

Say Chrissie wussy, since it is a public holiday today, why not put it to good effect and improve your knowledge on GHGs, AGW and CC ….

Go to
joAnnenova.com.au
and read/learn. 🙂

For example:

” A discussion of the Slaying the Sky Dragon science: Is the Greenhouse Effect a Sky Dragon Myth?

”Skeptics” are described as if they are one small block of fringe extremists, but not only is half the population skeptical in some sense, in this debate I am not on either extreme, but a centrist, smack in the middle.

” On the one hand, alarmists are convinced the climate is headed for a catastrophe, and on the other some people are convinced there is no greenhouse effect at all.

” Wes Allen, sits in the middle with me, and he’s been engaged in an intense debate with people on both ends of the spectrum. After a scorching critique of …..
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October 22, 2012 11:04am
Zapper

Well done all for putting Big Bruv to task over his factually incorrect statements. Both he and longknives have a chip on their shoulder that is never supported by facts.
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October 22, 2012 11:09am
Reid

Ha what a fuckup. Pin numbers printed on cards. Surley many need to be stripped of their enormous salaries.

Yes it doesn’t take much common sense to realise the political fallout that might occur when the media got hold of it. The articles says:

“If the cards were made available to more beneficiaries, the ministry would look at having Pins that could be changed by clients, he said.”

Implying it was a decision made for cost reasons. But it’s a fairly simple risk management exercise to work through the implications of a decision like this, isn’t it. Perhaps they got a junior project manager to run it and the project executive was out to lunch when this aspect of the project was discussed and signed-off. I think the worst part of this will probably be that the blame will fall entirely on the project manager’s head, while the responsible executive will simply duck for cover and claim that s/he relied on the technical people to make the right decision. I don’t imagine it’ll be a very happy meeting with the CEO on Tuesday morning, not with the other issue he’s dealing with. So much for the “no surprises” from DSW eh? I wonder what Bennett’s doing right now?
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October 22, 2012 11:18am
Longknives

Amusing to see all the howls of outrage from one-eyed fans about that big,nasty Aussie headbutting ‘Saint’ Richie’ McCaw.
Ask anybody from another rugby playing nation (South Africa, Wales etc) about McCaw and why the All Blacks are known around the rugby World as a ‘Protected Species’- It’s because they constantly get away Scot Free with attacks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0o8XQ3In30 (When queried by the NZ media re this Steve Hansen famously said “You are either with us or against us”- Now listen to him crying about the Australian headbutt!)

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wr8OU3hRiw

and this (probably the most blatant and deliberate injuring of an oppostion player in All Black History)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNzJHYrGzg

Now no one is saying that Higginbotham shouldn’t be cited for the headbutt. But get off your ‘Holier than Thou’ High Horses All Blacks….especially Steve “You are either with us or against us” Hansen.
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October 22, 2012 11:21am
tom hunter

Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light.

It’s good that he placed that definition first. Even so, that last short sentence shows that Russell may have a bit of a deaf ear when it comes to his own industry, because it echoes this famous (and much parodied) scene from one of the all-time great horror movies:

Carol Anne: Mommy, where are you? I can’t find you. I can’t. I’m afraid of the Light, mommy. I’m afraid of the Light.
Dr. Lesh: Tell her to stay away from the light.

And remember kids – Don’t die, Shrek, and if you see any long tunnels, stay away from the light!
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October 22, 2012 11:24am
Reid

Nat Rothschild crashes and burns:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220419/Rothschild-crashed-earth-How-bank-dynasty-heirs-City-reputation-tatters-700m-investment-scheme-blew-face.html

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Good job. The whole Rothschild family are bigger pricks than Murdoch. Let’s hope there’s more to come from that. But on the same note: the retiring CitiGroup CEO walks away with $260m after tanking the share price 88%. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/10/16/1021701/pandit-260-million/?mobile=ncItalians
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October 22, 2012 11:30am
Zapper

Still bringing that Parra incident into this…a clear accident.

No-one here has said All Blacks are perfect. You are delusional in your hate.
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October 22, 2012 11:31am
kowtow

There’s a band of bigots,who every time an abuse scandal emerges in the Catholic Church are very quick to comment.

Here’s one that’s raging in the UK at the moment ,it even involves cover ups. Could we hear from the bigots please?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9624583/Jimmy-Savile-BBC-scrapped-investigation-after-Newsnight-came-under-pressure-from-senior-managers.html
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October 22, 2012 11:31am
Reid

That shooting in the French Alps – the little girl who survived is giving statements that are leading police to look at maybe the target was the cyclist, not the family in the car…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220780/Alps-shooting-Schoolgirl-orphaned-massacre-standing-father-killer-struck.html?ICO=most_read_module
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October 22, 2012 11:38am
hj

Down with Obama. Check
Down with Winston Peters. Check
No warming! Check
System o.k
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October 22, 2012 11:41am
Longknives

Zapper- I don’t hate them at all! I was a fan most of my life (up until the O’Driscoll incident- the point blank refusal by a visibly smug Henry and co to even acknowledge any wrongdoing made my stomach churn) Hell when I was a kid I had the 87 Steinlager World Cup poster on my wall…and I’ve got a decade or so of old rugby annuals in my library.

I just think there is a revolting ‘Culture of Arrogance’ within that team and there has been ever since Henry,Hansen and co took over…
Best rugby team on the planet? Yep. But lay off the ‘Holier than Thou’ stuff boys- you are no angels.
And as for the recent elevation of Richie McCaw to Sainthood…Christ it was only a few years ago that everyone outside of Crusader country (including the media) was labelling him a cheat!
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October 22, 2012 11:46am
Monique Watson

Level pegging polling for Obama and Romney in the States.
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October 22, 2012 11:51am
Northland Wahine

Reid (11,918) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:18 am
Ha what a fuckup. Pin numbers printed on cards. Surley many need to be stripped of their enormous salaries.

The pin number has been on the payment cards for well over a year now. Initally they were for food and now they also include suppliers… It’s not an atm card where people can draw money out of a machine.

So much is loaded to a selected supplier and the user has to know how much. If you go over the amount? Decline. If you try using it at any other supplier that hasn’t been loaded? Decline.

Personally, I think they’re damn useful and cost effective.
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October 22, 2012 11:52am
Viking2

Corruption and Government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sYUjyH8Y0No
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October 22, 2012 11:54am
hj

Reid (11,918) Says:
I went to a “free” property seminar (perhaps ) 20 years ago. People were wandering about with glazed eyes. I wondered why anyone puts things like that on for free and I sees that the sponsor is Citbank (which I hadn’t really heard of.
The upshot is that the first movers flight on feet got in and now sit on arses (or swing in hammocks- Front Cover Special Edition Property Investor Magazine) protecting a system which subjects one half to the slavery of the other half.

http://www.listener.co.nz/uncategorized/house-of-the-rising-sum/
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October 22, 2012 11:54am
hj

“Tonight, a pumped de Roos tells his audience that he wants people to invest in property and write to him 12 months down the track and tell him they’ve “made one million or three million, or you’ve got 16 properties, or we’re taking six months off because our cash flow now exceeds our outflow!” He says, “I don’t know any other activity where the rewards are so huge. If you want to invest a million dollars in the sharemarket, you need a million dollars. If you want to invest a million in real estate, you only need $100,000.”

You can buy one property, get it revalued, use the equity to buy another property and then buy another and another. “And you do it all with OPM. Other people’s money. OPM. It’s like being high on drugs!” and “It’s why we become libertarians” What’s more, the wonder of depreciation claims on the building and contents means “the government subsidises your investment! It’s delightful!””
http://www.listener.co.nz/uncategorized/house-of-the-rising-sum/
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October 22, 2012 11:57am
Manolo

Ali Williams, providing he can prove his fitness and represent Auckland in this weekend’s NPC final against Canterbury in Christchurch, is guaranteed to tour as the fourth lock.

Not only Henry’s but now Hansen’s favourite. Poor choice.

Although Hansen mentioned he was impressed by the form of Canterbury outside back Johnny McNicholl and Auckland fullback Charles Piutau, he is unlikely to have room for them.

Either of the these two deserve selection.
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October 22, 2012 11:58am
Viking2

Wahine, regardless of their value pins should never be on the cards.
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October 22, 2012 11:58am
Zapper

Fair enough. But Richie is a saint, this cannot be denied.

The O’Driscoll incident is a strange one – no real camera shot to prove anything but clearly he was the victim of something. And boy does he like to remind everyone. Compare that to Richie who has not complained once despite being kneed in the head twice (with a history of concussion), headbutted (on Saturday and in the world cup final), eye gouged + many many other incidents.

Saint? Absolutely. 1987 was when I first watched rugby as a kid, great memories. I assume you weren’t a fan of Richard Loe in the early 90’s though, why didn’t you start hating them then?
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October 22, 2012 12:02pm
Manolo

Highly dubious endorsements: http://times247.com/articles/obama-receives-endorsements-from-three-dictators
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October 22, 2012 12:02pm
thedavincimode

Fletch

Chill. He’s new zealand born AUSTRALIAN RAISED
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October 22, 2012 12:03pm
Northland Wahine

Viking… on the back of my Visa Debit card is a 3 digit number that authorises payment purchases over the phone. How is this any different? In fact, this number gives direct access to my bank account and a fraudalent user doesn’t have to sign a thing.

The card is useless if the user does not know hat suppiler and amount has been loaded to that one specific card. Unlike my visa debit…
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October 22, 2012 12:10pm
Dave Stringer

The Ozzies stealing our rugby players is nothing compared to the countries stealing our professional sailors. Just take a look at how many Kiwis are crewing in boats racing in the Americas Cup World Series, and then average the number accross the 11 boats – you’ll be (possibly) amazed!
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October 22, 2012 12:14pm
thedavincimode

OK, let’s stop all this right now.

The Kenyan = dodgy
The Kenyan = saviour
Romney = plonker
Romney = saviour
AGW = bullshit con
Anti – AGW = deniers
Russell Crowe = arse
Russell Crowe = arse (we’re all agreed then)
Richie = God
Richie = anti-Christ
There is no God therefore there is no Richie
There is a God
All Blacks = great
All Blacks = evil (there ya go BB)
Beryl doesn’t drink
Beryl started drinking about 4 hours ago

New topics?
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October 22, 2012 12:15pm
Manolo

You just said it, Dave. The key word is professional, hence the individual’s freedom to sell his/her skills to the highest bidder. The free market rules!
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October 22, 2012 12:16pm
Manolo

Yes, davinci. Let’s settle for your topic of choice: RB.
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October 22, 2012 12:17pm
thedavincimode

Manolo, you’re not becoming obsessed with arsebaiter are you ? 🙂
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October 22, 2012 12:18pm
MT_Tinman

Zapper (469) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Fair enough. But Richie is a saint, this cannot be denied.

The O’Driscoll incident is a strange one – no real camera shot to prove anything but clearly he was the victim of something.

What world do you live in?

Television pictures clearly showed the absolutely gutless Wellington scum, assisted by the appropriately labelled No.2, attacking the trapped and helpless O’Driscoll and dropping him on his back/shoulder.

An absolute disgrace exacerbated by the smug reaction by the disgraceful lying, loser Jafa bastard.

The only reason the judiciary did not do something about this incident was that the NZRU ensured no complaint was forwarded to them and they (officially) knew nothing of it. (I had that from the adjudicator himself).

I agree re O’Driscoll who has reacted since like a typical Irish rugby person with non-stop whingeing.
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October 22, 2012 12:20pm
thedavincimode

Yes, one of the great tackles. I still watch the replays.
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October 22, 2012 12:23pm
Scott Chris

Tom, I think maybe Crowe had something more like this in mind though I’ll admit, his choice of words was rather unfortunate.
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October 22, 2012 12:52pm
Scott Chris

Yes, one of the great tackles. I still watch the replays.

Ahh, the truth emerges; dav likes nothing better than to watch replays of a man’s tackle 🙂
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October 22, 2012 1:00pm
Boglio

I watched the other day as a man bought multiple items, bags of sugar and other such goods as the small retailers buy in bulk from Countdown. Payment was with a payment card and I bet a dollar to a doughnut that small retailer reimbursed him on the way out of the supermarket. In fact the total came to a little more than the amount on the card and he made the ballance up from a well stocked wallet. The checkout operator was not impressed and commented about how often that occrred
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October 22, 2012 1:09pm
Zapper

MT, you’re an old style cantab aren’t you 🙂 One who is Cantab first, NZ second. You’re probably one of those people who supported the Wallabies initially when Deans got the job (and then quickly changed back and pretended that hadn’t happened when it was obvious Deans was failing with them).
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October 22, 2012 1:17pm
Luc Hansen

Kea (340) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
The same “tabloid rubbish” that promoted AGW in the first place Scotty.

Can’t have it both ways mate.

Insanity defined.
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October 22, 2012 1:43pm
Longknives

MT_Tinman- Yep Henry was a disgrace in that series. I remember him sitting at the post-match press conference wearing that horrible smug grin. Every time anyone from the media asked him about the spear tackle the grin would disappear and he would snap at them like they were one of his schoolchildren. “I think we’ve heard enough about that” etc
Could you imagine what would have happened if the Lions had taken Dan Carter out OFF THE BALL and smashed his collarbone? (conveniently putting him out of the series)
I’ll tell you what would have happened- Zapper and the other All Black fanboys would still be crying blue murder today. It would have been the sports crime of the bloody century (like the forward pass from 2007 they never stop crying about)
Henry would probably devote a chapter in his book about it as well..
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October 22, 2012 2:11pm
Viking2

Targeted welfare – or just targets
By Kathy Marks
5:30 AM Monday Oct 22, 2012

It’s late morning in Bankstown, and Pam Batkin is waiting to accost people emerging from the Centrelink office – Australia’s version of Work and Income. Approaching one woman, she asks: “Did they talk to you about income management?”, then adds: “It’s supposed to help people manage their money, but we don’t think it’s a very good idea.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10842056
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October 22, 2012 2:19pm
RF

MT & Longknives… From memory it was Umaga and Mealamu that did the deed on O’Driscoll. Not impressed with Henry who appears to be one eyed about what happened.
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October 22, 2012 2:20pm
Colville

Could you imagine what would have happened if the Lions had taken Dan Carter out OFF THE BALL and smashed his collarbone? (conveniently putting him out of the series)

Yip, we still would have beaten them 3 nil 🙂
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October 22, 2012 2:25pm
Colville

and Longknives, you need to give up on the ’07 forward pass. That isnt why NZ is pissed off about that game. It was Mr “deer in the headlights” Barnes that was the issue. Look at the stats, his brain froze.
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October 22, 2012 2:28pm
Zapper

Don’t ask longknives to use facts Colville, he won’t. He’ll create strawman arguments aplenty for himself though.
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October 22, 2012 2:32pm
Pauleastbay

Obvioulsy there are some seriously bored indiviuals eher today rehashing a incident on a footy paddock years ago.

If you are seriously bored I suggest catching ” Killing Them Softly” at your local cinema. Not for the squemish , in fact its brutal, but the acting is fantastic with some of the sharpest dialogue going around, and don’t get put off by Brad Pitt being in it, he’s superb.
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October 22, 2012 2:32pm
thedavincimode

Scott

You’re clearly spending too much time over at arsebaiter’s bog.
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October 22, 2012 2:36pm
thedavincimode

Insanity defined.

Don’t be too hard on yourself luc.
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October 22, 2012 2:37pm
Colville

Pauleastbay, seeing it Tuesday night. I have a man date with 2 mates for steak and serious shiraz then the movie.
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October 22, 2012 2:39pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.3news.co.nz/Courts-tougher-on-benefit-fraud-than-tax-dodging–study/tabid/1607/articleID/273541/Default.aspx

Where are the statistics on ‘WHITE COLLAR’ crime?

Did you know that the ‘three strikes’ legislation does NOT apply to ‘white collar’ crime and ‘white collar’ criminals?

When it comes to crime – where’s the ‘WAR ON THE ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIMINAL RICH?’

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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October 22, 2012 3:09pm
grumpyoldhori

Monique Watson jesus christ and you women wonder why you should be seen(if you are tasty) and not bloody heard.
It does not matter if Romney is 10% ahead among those who worship guns, it boils down to which candidate can win the most states, yes that is keeping it simple for you.
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October 22, 2012 3:10pm
Viking2

Wahine, those numbers can be used on line but not at a checkout or eftpos. So no comparison as I guess you can’t use the Winz card online.
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October 22, 2012 3:15pm
F E Smith

Hey, Penny Blight,

Given your stance on ‘white collar’ crime and the 3 Strikes law, can you please tell me how many people have ever been convicted of ‘white collar’ offending on more than one occasion? Even more importantly, how many have been convicted of such offending on three occasions?
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October 22, 2012 3:26pm
Reid

kowtow re: Savile, it is focusing attention on Haut de la Garenne, excellent. For those who haven’t followed the organised peodophile rings in high places which don’t therefore get investigated and when they do hit the news they get shut, like the Franklin Coverup, Dutreax and his thug sidekick Nidal which linked kidnapped children to the Belgian aristocracy and in which investigators were replaced twice, because both times they were reaching the incorrect conclusions and which caused massive streetprotests, and Haut de la Garenne the orphanage on Jersey which hit the news a few years ago with torture cellars, allegations of murdered children, hundreds of children alleging abuse over the years, but that went nowhere. But now it’s back again.

I mean not that it’s going to happen this time either. I mean they just won’t let it. One allegation is the intelligence services find pictures and videos of senior people in all depts not just politics having sex with children extremely useful. It may not be true but how else do you explain senior judges and top policemen continually shutting down inexplicably demonstrable links in past cases and please don’t imagine it doesn’t happen. If you think it doesn’t, then research all those case above and there are lots lots more than those, but explain after you know all the facts on those cases, how come it even happened once, but in all of them in the past? You may think it impossible to believe that intelligence services would stoop to such despicable acts but I don’t. The fond image of playing by Queensbury rules has never applied to any intelligence service for it would be foolish to do so, but the intelligence services have always painted themselves as that, and some have swallowed that PR bollocks and some haven’t.

The MSM media as well, plays these things very circumspectly and IMO, despicably. Even while segments of it play it straight, many don’t, because of what’s at stake. Which is the exposure of the most senior people in the land, and that’s never going to happen, no matter what.

But let’s hope I’m completely wrong and the Savile issue which now has several hundred allegations against many different people, is played straight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html
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October 22, 2012 3:30pm
joana

The UN or should that be the muslim state , have told Americans not to vote for Mitt Romney.
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October 22, 2012 3:48pm
cha

Savile was investigated by the police at least 6 times, the first in 1958, and in 1987 was outed as a paedophile by comedian Jerry Sadowitz.

“There have been serious allegations of child abuse in Cleveland. To my mind there is only one way to find out whether this is true or not and that’s to . . . CALL IN JIMMY SAVILE! You can’t afford to fuck about! Bring in an expert! Am I right? A friend of mine reckons Jimmy Savile is a paedophile. Rubbish — he’s a child-bender! That’s why he does all the fucking charity work: it’s to gain public sympathy for when his fucking case comes up. He might have fooled you, but not fucking me I’ll tell you that”
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October 22, 2012 3:59pm
Manolo

What would he do over the next four years? http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263187-sen-rubio-obama-has-given-up-on-outlining-second-term-agenda
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October 22, 2012 4:01pm
MT_Tinman

Zapper (471) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
MT, you’re an old style cantab aren’t you One who is Cantab first, NZ second. You’re probably one of those people who supported the Wallabies initially when Deans got the job

Zapper, you are correct that I am a proud Cantabrian (I assume that is what you mean by “old style”) but incorrect that I supported Oz because Deans is their (very good) coach.

I now support Canterbury and The Crusaders – no-one else (in rugby) so your suggestion that I support NZ second is wrong.

The NZ “All Blacks” is now a franchise playing simply to earn money so they can play some more and seriously detrimental to NZ rugby and I don’t give a damn how they go.
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October 22, 2012 4:14pm
publicwatchdog

NATIONAL MP FOR AUCKLAND CENTRAL – NIKKI KAYE – PROVIDES SOME INFORMATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE SFO AND SOME STATISTICS ON SFO PROSECUTIONS (May 2011)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152196499840246&set=a.10150152651680246.414805.878405245&type=1&comment_id=17025251

hi penny, not sure whether you saw this announcement last year which allocated an additional 8 million to the SFO to fight white collar crime http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/83m-fight-against-serious-fraud

beehive.govt.nz – $8.3m for fight against serious fraud
http://www.beehive.govt.nz
beehive.govt.nz – The official website of the New Zealand Government
______________________________________________________________________________________________

Judith Collins19 MAY, 2011
$8.3m for fight against serious fraud

The Government has allocated more than $8 million in funding for the Serious Fraud Office over two years to continue the fight against white collar crime, the Minister Responsible for the SFO Judith Collins says.

“The SFO has an important role to play in maintaining New Zealand’s reputation as a safe place to invest and do business,” Ms Collins says.

“A total of $8.3 million across 2010/11 and 2011/12 will enable the SFO to undertake an increased number of investigations and prosecutions of serious fraud.”

In 2010, the SFO opened 27 investigations, including a number of investigations into finance companies.

The cases investigated during that time had involved losses of more than $1.5 billion, affecting about 115,000 victims – many of whom were investors.

“The SFO has laid more than 800 charges against 26 peoplein the last 12 months. Several white collar criminals are now behind bars,” Ms Collins says.

During the past year, the SFO has cleared a backlog of cases, including investigations lasting up to seven years.
The average length of a case is now six months.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright Thank you Nikki. In terms of ‘white collar’ crime statistics – do you have, or can you get the figures for charges and successful prosecutions against ‘white collar crime’ taken by the Finance Markets Authority (FMA)?

Do the Police keep separate statistics for ‘white collar’ crime?

Is there an overall compilation of statistics for ‘white collar’ crime for all agencies /regulatory bodies that have the statutory authority to prosecute ‘white collar’ criminals?

My understanding is that the Minister responsible for the SFO is the Minister of Police, and the Minister responsible for the FMA is the Minister for Commerce – so who ‘trumps’ who in the compilation of ‘white collar’ crime statistics – if indeed anyone has that responsibility?

I appreciate your help Nikki in obtaining this information. Thanks. Penny Bright

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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October 22, 2012 4:19pm
Luc Hansen

So the other day the happy hunter, my friend Tom, reposted a story of Wells Fargo being distressed at being forced to accept billions in TARP money. TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) basically involved the US govt buying at face value what accountants would usually call “Bad and doubtful debts”, was aimed at recapitalising the banks to enable business and housing lending to return to some semblance of normality. The story was the govt forced the free billions onto the banks with grandiose threats of dire revenge in the event of a refusal.

I mean, it’s a yeah, right, story isn’t it? Some dude offers to take failing loans off their books in return for 100% cash

I have heard the story before but couldn’t be bothered tracking down a link to rebut the nonsense. However, in some lazy cruising this afternoon after attacking the overgrown lawn I happened across another reference to it and quickly found a rebuttal, so here’s the link to the rebuttal which includes the original reportage that got our Tom so excited.

http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/john-taylor-uncovers-hideous-threat-to.html

Noah is a pretty serious economist, but then, so is the guy who was spreading the story so this is a case of examining the evidence and deciding who is the most credible.
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October 22, 2012 4:45pm
Viking2

Pope Benedict created seven new saints on Sunday including the first Native American to be canonised, as the Roman Catholic Church reaches out to its global flock to rebuff encroaching secularism.

I didn’t see St Ritchie’s name there though. :lol:;lol:
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October 22, 2012 4:52pm
Luc Hansen

joana (1,492) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The UN or should that be the muslim state , have told Americans not to vote for Mitt Romney.

Hmmm, no link from one of our many resident hate mongers. Where’s the directive, Joana? Floating in the ether of your brain neurons? (Just joking)

Now then, I suggest you look at this interview (Friday) that covers the run-up to the Iraq war and how international negotiations actually work.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49484627

A rare voice of sanity in an environment supercharged with Israeli and Islamophobic crazies.
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October 22, 2012 4:55pm
Luc Hansen

V2

Surely a travesty. and if the excuse is that RM is not RC then we should just make him convert!
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October 22, 2012 4:56pm
Viking2

Former US senator George McGovern, a liberal Democrat and fierce opponent of the Vietnam War whose 1972 presidential race against Richard Nixon led to one of the worst electoral defeats in US history, died on Sunday at the age of 90, his family said.

The McGovern family said he died Sunday morning at Dougherty Hospice House in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, surrounded by family and friends.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7847401/Great-humanitarian-George-McGovern-dies
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October 22, 2012 5:37pm
publicwatchdog

How can ‘corporate welfare’ fraud be prevented or detected at local government level, if the ‘books’ aren’t open, and full and accurate records are not maintained, showing the ‘devilish detail’ – including the NAMES of the consultants/ contractors; the SCOPE; TERM and VALUE of the contracts?

A Local Government Official Information Act reply from Auckland Council dated 21 November 2011, from Darryl Griffin, (Auckland Council Manager for Democracy Services), confirms the lack of transparency in the spending of public monies by Auckland Council, in refusing to make available for public scrutiny the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names, the scope, term and value of 5000 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers contracted to Auckland Council, on the basis that:

‘To collate and publish these would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise’.

How is this failure to maintain ‘full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor, not a breach of statutory duties arising from the Public Records Act 2005 s.17 (1) ?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

17 Requirement to create and maintain records

(1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

(2)Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.

(3)Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

IS IT TIME FOR NEW ZEALAND TO ESTABLISH A GENUINELY INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION?
________________________________________________________________________________________________

(Receipt of this ‘Open Letter’ was confirmed on Friday 19 October 2012 by the Sector Manager for Local Government, Office of the Auditor-General)

OPEN LETTER TO THE OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL

Under s.18 of the Public Audit Act 2001, we the undersigned request that you please conduct an urgent investigation into the following matters:

1) The allegedly corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ of the CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay, who is also a member of the extremely powerful private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

2) Please investigate how many contracts have been awarded by Auckland Council and/or any of the following Auckland Council Controlled Organisations to member companies of the Committee for Auckland:

a) Watercare Services Ltd

b) Auckland Transport

c) ATEED (Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development Ltd)

d) ACIL (Auckland Council Investment Ltd)

e) AWDA (Auckland Waterfront Development Agency Ltd)

f) RFA (Regional Facilities Auckland)

g) APL (Auckland Property Ltd)

3) Please investigate the following potential ‘conflicts of interest’:

a) The CEO of Watercare Services Ltd, is Committee for Auckland member – Mark Ford.

b) The Chair of the Board of ATEED – David McConnell, and Deputy Chair Norm Thompson are both members of the Committee For Auckland.

c) Directors on the Board of ACIL, Pauline Winter and Brian Corban are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

d) Director Evan Davies and CEO John Dalzell of AWDA, are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

e) Deputy Chair Dame Jenny Gibbs, and CEO Robert Domm of RFA, are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

4) Please also investigate the failure of Auckland Council to ensure that CEO Doug McKay carry out his statutory duties under s.42 (2) (e) of the Local Government Act 2002:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

42 Chief executive

(2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

(c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and

(d)ensuring the effective and efficient management of the activities of the local authority; and

(e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority;

A Local Government Official Information Act reply from Auckland Council dated 21 November 2011, from Darryl Griffin, (Auckland Council Manager for Democracy Services), confirms the lack of transparency in the spending of public monies by Auckland Council, in refusing to make available for public scrutiny the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names, the scope, term and value of 5000 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers contracted to Auckland Council, on the basis that:

‘To collate and publish these would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise’.

Further evidence to support this request for an urgent inquiry is:

A) The LGOIMA reply from Wendy Brandon, General Counsel for Auckland Council, dated 10 February 2012 – re: Committee for Auckland – CE membership.

B) The LGOIMA reply from Wendy Brandon, General Counsel for Auckland Council, dated 14 March 2012 – re: Register of Interests and contracts.

____________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
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October 22, 2012 5:47pm
Kea

hat covers the run-up to the Iraq war and how international negotiations actually work.

Yes there was a war in Iraq Luc, actually two, (not counting Iran, Kuwait, internal conflicts and so on)

If that is how “international negotiations actually work” what does failure look like?
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October 22, 2012 6:03pm
Manolo

The racist Maori Party would love the idea: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/15/florida-ill-advised-plan-to-measure-students-by-race-riles-education-experts/
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October 22, 2012 6:36pm
Tauhei Notts

This is possibly off thread but here goes;
Labour Day in Hamilton; I saw the O’Reilly horse win the group 3 event at Te Rapa; I don’t think he is an out and out champion.
Then onto The Base for coffee with her indoors. She commented on how the place looked so much better than Westfield’s Chartwell Shopping Centre.
I had backed the Redoubte’s Choice filly so was not in a good mood, when I remarked that The Base is better because the owners only pay 17.5% tax whereas Westfield pay 28%.
Is that because they are Aussie owned? She asked
No, it is because The Base is Maori owned I replied.
Then, in a contemplative mood, I thought back to 1975 when I had studied tax law at the University of the Witwatersrand. There is no way those repugnant racist Japies would have brought in a racially divisive tax rate. Sure, their racism in other ways was contemptible, but their tax system was sacrosanct.
Okay, they had a silly measure there that export promotional expenditure was 200% deductible and their top personal rate was 60%. They had not brought in the 75% limit that N.Z. had when we had 150% deductibility and a top rate of 60%. But I digress.
Racially divisive tax laws are real bad.
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October 22, 2012 6:53pm
Longknives

Tauhei Notts- That was a pretty good field that Sacred Falls dealt to today (and he didn’t do everything right)..
Out and Out champion? Far too early to tell…but I wouldn’t mind owning a share in him (he is a damn sight faster than any of the nags Longknives has owned)
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October 22, 2012 7:06pm
Viking2

About that WOF campaign.
Just not needed. Need proof.

http://screencast.com/t/9qJTQWIDsmt

http://screencast.com/t/74ARljJp8

And for those with cellphone issues.

http://screencast.com/t/gHx2eQSivq
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October 22, 2012 7:29pm
Viking2

http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/marae-investigates-miriama-kamo-v-john-ansell-with-privileges-scroll-21-10-121.png
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October 22, 2012 7:40pm
hj

Airtight containers with carbon dioxide or methane added got one degree Celsius (2 °F) hotter than regular when heated by a hot lamp.
confirmed by mythbusters.
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October 22, 2012 7:51pm
nasska

How to Place New Employees in a Proper Department:

Take the prospective employees you are trying to place and
put them in a room with only a table and two chairs. Leave
them alone for two hours, without any instruction. At the
end of that time, go back and see what they are doing.

If they have taken the table apart, put them in Engineering.

If they are counting the butts in the ashtray, assign them
to Finance.

If they are waving their arms and talking out loud, send
them to Consulting.

If they are talking to the chairs, Personnel is a good spot
for them.

If they are wearing green sunglasses and need a haircut, Computer
Information Systems is their niche.

If the room has a sweaty odor, perhaps they’re destined for
the Help Desk.

If they mention what a good price we got for the table and chairs, put
them into Purchasing.

If they mention that hardwood furniture DOES NOT come from rainforests,
Public Relations would suit them well.

If they are writing up the experience, send them to the Technical
Documents team.

If they don’t even look up when you enter the room, assign
them to Security.

If they try to tell you it’s not as bad as it looks, send
them to Marketing.

If they are sleeping, they are Management material.
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October 22, 2012 8:00pm
Luc Hansen

Kea (344) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
hat covers the run-up to the Iraq war and how international negotiations actually work.

Yes there was a war in Iraq Luc, actually two, (not counting Iran, Kuwait, internal conflicts and so on)

If that is how “international negotiations actually work” what does failure look like?

My bad, Kea. I meant ‘work’ in terms of mechanics, not success.

And I should have parsed even more by writing ‘should work’.

So rewriting, try this…’how international negotiations are conducted and lessons to learn from Kofi Annan.’

OK?
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October 22, 2012 8:11pm
Luc Hansen

Viking2 (7,876) Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/marae-investigates-miriama-kamo-v-john-ansell-with-privileges-scroll-21-10-121.png

By pure chance I watched this poisonous mischief maker being given airtime.

It’s sad to see the slow sinking of John Ansell into the slimy morass of the continuation of colonialism by other means.
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October 22, 2012 8:18pm
Viking2

sorry Luc but the only thing poisoness is your blatant ignorance of our countries history and your bland acceptance of the edting of the interviews by those with a vested interest in forever sucking the taxpayer dry on the basis of untruths and fairy tales.
You should maybe listen to the full interview that he tapped which is vastly different. He tapped it after they edited out most of the last one and most of this one. Takes 35 minutes and perhaps you may realise that John is smarter than you think. Don’t bother commenting unlkess you listen right to the end.

http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2012/10

By the way in the tradition of the GSCB they claimed to have detroyeed the original tape and wouldn’t provide John with a copy. Yeah Right.

http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/interview-john-ansell-v-jodi-ihaka-marae-investigates-21-10-122.mp3
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October 22, 2012 8:26pm
Longknives

“By pure chance I watched this poisonous mischief maker being given airtime”

Agreed- That Miriama Kamo makes my blood boil every time I see her presenting something….Is there really any need to throw random Maori words into every sentence during prime-time television? Is there any other TV station on the planet that mixes and matches its linguistics as such? Totally unnecessary and completely worthless…
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