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graham

Hone Harawira has been arrested for his involvement with the protestors at Glen Innes, fighting against the removal of houses.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7806709/MP-Hone-Harawira-arrested

Is it just me who still finds the idea of an MP who breaks the law a bit of an anachronism? MPs are, among other things, responsible for making laws and amending laws. Why then have we allowed known criminals, who have openly admitted to breaking the law, and have stated openly that they have no qualms about breaking the law should they feel it is justified, to become Members of Parliament? This is something I will never understand.
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October 12, 2012 8:01am
Pete George

David Shearer seems to have gone for broke over whether John Key can remember a quip he may or may not have made eight months ago.

And it turns out the partner of Shearer’s chief spindoctor Fran Mold is the source of the leaks from GCSB.

Has he busted himself? Shearer’s credibility questioned.
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October 12, 2012 8:04am
Manolo

It wouldn’t be any different here, would it?
https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/are-unions-fining-members-who-dont-support-warren_654203.html
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October 12, 2012 8:06am
joana

Friends and relatives of Aussie victims of the Bali bombings have expressed outrage after learning that the site of a destroyed nightspot is being used as a public urinal.
88 Aussies dead and this is the reward for their govt’s stupidity.
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October 12, 2012 8:19am
Manolo

Lets hope for some fireworks: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RYAN_DEBATE_STAKES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-10-18-02-37
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October 12, 2012 8:21am
Kea

88 Aussies dead and this is the reward for their govt’s stupidity.

What do you mean “their govt’s stupidity” joana?

The Australian government did not set the bomb, nor did Indonesia’s

I hate to burst your bubble joana, but things we would regard as National tragedies barely make it into the news in Indonesia. They are not wrapped in cotton wool over there.
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October 12, 2012 8:29am
graham

More on Hone Harawira getting arrested last night ..

Hone, of course, claims that “I didn’t actually go out there to get arrested, I didn’t go out there to break the law, as far as I was concerned I wasn’t breaking the law. I was only parked in a car listening to some music, supporting the people that were up on the houses, and the police chose to break the windows and arrest me.”

According to Mana’s website, this was at 11:30 pm. And interestingly, Mana states that “Hone was simply exercising his human right to take part in a peaceful protest”. So I might be nit-picking here, but which was it? Was Hone just parked in a car? Or was he taking part in the protest?

Mana’s website also claims that “the government are determined to evict people from their homes”. Well, the last time I checked, the homes aren’t theirs. These people don’t own the homes. And Housing New Zealand isn’t exactly evicting them – they have stated that they will transfer tenants to another state house that will meet their needs, they will cover reasonable moving costs, and some relocation costs including connecting utilities. That’s a damn sight more generous than if you’ve been kicked out of an ordinary rental, which can happen and the landlord doesn’t have to give you a reason and certainly doesn’t pay for your relocation costs.
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October 12, 2012 8:30am
Kea

Updated Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:52am AEST

Photo: Truck drivers stuck in a traffic jam in Merak, Indonesia. (Bay Ismoyo: AFP) Map: Indonesia
More than 600 Indonesians have been killed in the country’s worst holiday road toll in years.

The country’s traffic management centre says there have been more than 3,600 crashes over the past 10 days, injuring more than 4,500 people.

Another 638 Indonesians have died.

So you see Jo, a few dead drunken tourists, on an outlying Island, may not attract the attention you imagine it would.
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October 12, 2012 8:32am
Manolo

An excellent article on Lindsay’s blog: http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/83-percent-of-child-abuse-and-neglect.html
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October 12, 2012 8:42am
wreck1080

For a supposedly top secret organisation, the gcsb appears to release quite a bit of information this year.

I’ve known a person who has worked there — and, they cannot say a single thing about what goes on, despite how much I tried out of personal curiosity.

Their secrecy is absolute.

So, i imagine that govt/public focus and Fran Molds leaking of private information must be quite disturbing for them.
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October 12, 2012 8:53am
wf

And then you have Nicky Hagar (on Morning Report this morning) telling us that he has had information passed on by GCSB staff, who apparently spoke quite freely.

Shearer’s men had better put up or shut up.
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October 12, 2012 9:08am
Pete George

Bob at Dim-Post:
“Ah the good old Labour PR team making the GCSB looking competent.”
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October 12, 2012 9:09am
slightlyrighty

So if Fran Mold’s partner is working at the GCSB, does that mean elements within the GCSB are actively working against the PM? And if so, to what end?
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October 12, 2012 9:15am
Redbaiter

Survey-

68% of people in the San Fernando Valley-based porn industry said they would like Obama to win the election, compared with 13% for Romney.
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October 12, 2012 9:22am
Kea

68% of people in the San Fernando Valley-based porn industry said they would like Obama to win the election, compared with 13% for Romney.

What is your point Redbaiter?

Are you trying to turn people to Obama??
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October 12, 2012 9:26am
TheContrarian

“68% of people in the San Fernando Valley-based porn industry said they would like Obama to win the election, compared with 13% for Romney.”

So what?
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October 12, 2012 9:28am
graham

Hone Harawira is accusing the police of breaking his car windows – unprovoked – naturally, because Hone Harawira would never do anything to provoke the police.

This could get ugly.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10840004
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October 12, 2012 9:28am
Kea

I think Redbaiter is the Kiwiblog (self appointed) morality Police. He would do well in Saudi Arabia and would find considerable common ground with the Taliban.

Hard to see how such an uptight control freak, considers himself “right-wing” !~
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October 12, 2012 9:37am
gopolks

Hone Harawira is a political user. Make no mistake.

He is not an activist, he is not a political prisoner.

He is not a hero to the people, he doesn’t fight for rights.

Hone Harawira is a racist and a law breaker.

Now he’s trying to destroy some Police officer’s careers.

Make no mistake the Police were just doing their jobs.

Of course though, Hone’s friends in the media will turn
this into something it anit.

When he got arrested last night for blocking the Police,
he deserved it.

It was the typical, left wing protest, John Minto was there
screaming about police brutality.

Do guys like John Minto and Hone Harawira ever think about the
harm they’re doing to the Policemen and Policewoman who
are just doing their jobs? Or the fact that their lies
and hate could lead to violence against the Police?

Of course not, all they have ever thought about is
their own ideology and personal gain.

Too bad the NewZealand media wont paint it that way,
or that their supporters will continue their hate protests
against the Police.

Here’s hoping Justice will be dealt to the likes
of John Minto and Hone Harawiri.

I anit holding my breath though.
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October 12, 2012 9:37am
graham

There is a video on Stuff now, with John Minto claiming the police used “a huge amount of violence” – his exact words.

In the video, people are screaming and swearing at the police – who, once again, appear to take it calmly and maturely, being abused for merely doing the job they are sworn to do. There is somebody screaming out at the top of their voice “Show some respect for Hone! Show some respect for Hone! Leave Hone alone!”

Like Hone shows respect for others I suppose, when he calls them “white mofos” and is “proud” of his nephews for threatening the Prime Minister.

Despicable behaviour.
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October 12, 2012 9:45am
kowtow

kea says….blah blah blah
where has redb sought to control anything,kea is making deliberate false accusations.

the porn figures speak for them selves.I get the feeling kea is channeling the recently banned muttonhead.Cottonwool and Bali bombs? Wanker.
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October 12, 2012 9:49am
Weihana

Redbaiter (1,104) Says:
October 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am

Survey-

68% of people in the San Fernando Valley-based porn industry said they would like Obama to win the election, compared with 13% for Romney.

Naturally. Republicans are known for trying to crack down on adult pornography using obscenity laws and the like. These are the types of people who think sex toy shops should be banned and in some states they are. Republicans are, after all, the freedom party. 🙂 Expect more of such nonsense if Romney is elected. Because this is the party that focuses on the “big issues”: getting rid of big bird and cracking down on masturbation.
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October 12, 2012 9:52am
Redbaiter

“kea is making deliberate false accusations.”

Yeah, well, where would the left be without that strategy? Smearing someone they disagree with is always the preferred option to a rational argument. Mainly because when it comes to rational argument, they’re bankrupt.
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October 12, 2012 9:53am
Nostalgia-NZ

graham.

Feel like you’re talking to yourself?
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October 12, 2012 9:53am
backster

Fran MOLD’s civil rights partner is a security agent, and Nicky Hagar has a source within the organisation. Phil GOFF has access to confidential information from within the Diplomatic Service. It makes one wonder who else these sources are passing information to and whether any of allies our should trust us. I can’t help but wonder if Helen Clark didn’t arrange the infiltration as an act to equal Cullen’s purchase of the Railways before she was chucked out. I also wonder if DotCom was tipped off before the Police Raid hence the Police not finding all that they expected.
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October 12, 2012 9:53am
Manolo

The Red Cross have just knocked at my door and asked if I could help towards the floods in Pakistan. I said I would love to, but my garden hose only reaches the driveway.
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October 12, 2012 9:58am
Redbaiter

Yeah Weihana, you hold personal freedom in great regard, and that’s why you’re supporting the communist/ Marxist Obama whose one big claim to fame is forcing people to buy health insurance from the government. That’s the kind of freedom you love right? (and you also like to force people to fund TV shows you like.)
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October 12, 2012 10:00am
Kea

Any chance of answering my question Redbaiter? : What was your “point” ?

the porn figures speak for them selves

No they do not kowtow. The only thing you are hearing are the voices in your head. It really is banal to link peoples sexuality with politics. The two things are unrelated. There are numerous cases of hard line right wing Christians being involved with all manner of sexual perversion. Many gay’s do not support lefty agendas. I avoid all this confusion by not attempting to link un-related things into one abitrary stereotype.
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October 12, 2012 10:04am
thedavincimode

‘baitey old thing, you are one sad old fuck and a dead set tool to boot. How’s phase 2 of your grand 20 year plan going? Same as phase 1 it seems. 😆
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October 12, 2012 10:05am
Weihana

Redbaiter,

No I support socialized medicine, not the patchwork crap that Obama has had to deal with because Republicans are retarded and are unwilling to learn from any other country in the world because the United States is the best in the world at everything.

Also I haven’t watched Sesame Street since I was a child and in any case it can survive on its own. But cutting public broadcasting is not going to deal with the deficit. $450 million is a drop in a trillion dollar bucket.
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October 12, 2012 10:10am
thedavincimode

What was your “point” ?

Kea, there is no point to the sad rancid old fuck regurgitating the same bile and bigotry he pinches from his nutjob US hate blogs over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ………..

It does serve a purpose though, if it can be called that. It re-emphasises time and again that Russell, motoring and traffic correspondent, and champion of the road toll classes of Tauranga is a sad rancid old fuck who hasn’t had an original idea in his sad miserable hateful and pathetically pointless existence. Still struggling with sexual identity IMO.
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October 12, 2012 10:12am
Weihana

I see Rasmussen has the president +1 nationally and in Ohio. The end of the post-debate bounce? Lets hope so. 🙂
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October 12, 2012 10:15am
Redbaiter

“No I support socialized medicine,”

Yet in your initial posts you are sarcastically slagging off the Republican regard for freedom? Yet you simultaneously support the compulsion and lack of choice that goes with government health? FFS, how does that work??

I agree the expenditure on Sesame St is a drop in the bucket, but its a principle that we’re trying to discuss. Once again, you need to decide whether you want to compel people to contribute to TV programs or let them decide for themselves whether they want to invest.

BTW, I’m a Conservative, not a Republican. Don’t confuse my political position with someone who might feel bound to defend everything the Republicans do. If you think that, you clearly have a very limited understanding of Conservatism.
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October 12, 2012 10:17am
Viking2

One would expect somebody’s job to be gone. you can’t work for an intelligence agency that is the arm of Govt. and gossip the information around. another sad fucking lesbian with no morals.

Political
Labour’s GCSB leak revealed

Friday, 12, Oct, 2012 8:10AM

The Labour Party’s GCSB leak has been revealed.

The partner of David Shearer’s chief spin doctor, former TVNZ political journalist Fran Mold, is a spy.

That’s where the party’s information has come from that when John Key was briefed at the GCSB in February, he spoke to the spies in a cafeteria.

This was of course a month after the much publicised raid on the Kim Dotcom mansion in his own electorate and the Prime Minister has said he’d forgotten that Mr Dotcom’s name was raised during the briefing when in fact Dotcom’s photo was on a presentation screen.

The Prime Minister last night freely admitted he spoke with the staff at the GCSB at that cafeteria but claims he cannot remember whether Mr Dotcom’s name was mentioned.

But he does admit he could have made a quip in passing about the internet giant because he says he’s known for making light hearted remarks.

Mr Key says the fact that so much publicity had been given to Dotcom and the raid on his mansion the month before meant that his mention probably didn’t register in the same way with him at the briefing.

The GCSB had clearly been involved, he says, because a foreign country was seeking Dotcom’s extradition.

Media reports last night said there may have been a video recording of Key’s address to the staff but he says that wasn’t the case and that’s been reinforced by the former secretary of the Cabinet Rebecca Kitteridge who was sent in by the Prime Minister to check the venue.

She says still photos were taken but she’s not releasing them because they identify staff.
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October 12, 2012 10:17am
Redbaiter

Oh oh, Davinci obviously had another fruitless night hanging around the local public toilet block. Not my fault you can’t pick anything up these days old girl.
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October 12, 2012 10:18am
Redbaiter

“Any chance of answering my question Redbaiter?”

I dance to my own tune Kea, not yours. If you’ve got anything to say, say it.
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October 12, 2012 10:20am
Kea

You should really stop these content-free posts Red. Things are so much more interesting when you have a “point”
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October 12, 2012 10:24am
Keeping Stock

The public service is supposedly political neutral. What we are seeing now is the legacy of nine years of politicising the public service under Helen Clark’s government.
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October 12, 2012 10:26am
Manolo

The terrorist followers of the religion of peace claim it was their drone (using camel dung as fuel):
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8546782/netanyahu-makes-hezbollah-drone-claim
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October 12, 2012 10:26am
Keeping Stock

Viking2 said

another sad fucking lesbian with no morals.

Actually Viking, Fran Mold’s partner is male.
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October 12, 2012 10:27am
Weihana

Redbaiter,

Yet in your initial posts you are sarcastically slagging off the Republican regard for freedom?

I am slagging off the pretense that they are the party for freedom.

Yet you simultaneously support the compulsion and lack of choice that goes with government health? FFS, how does that work??

I also support the compulsion and lack of choice that goes with public roads. Freedom, in and of itself, does not make for a comprehensive political philosophy.

I agree the expenditure on Sesame St is a drop in the bucket, but its a principle that we’re trying to discuss. Once again, you need to decide whether you want to compel people to contribute to TV programs or let them decide for themselves whether they want to invest.

Nonsense. I have to decide between two candidates and everything they stand for is lumped together in that one choice. I do not get to decide between specific policies. In this regard my choice is whether I vote for the fiscally responsible candidate, or whether I vote for the flip-flopper who wants to increase military spending, and retain all the major entitlements, while not expecting anyone to pay for it. In fact he wants to cut taxes across the board in a situation where the deficit is already a trillion dollars.

It’s not about principle, nor philosophy. It’s about math. 🙂

BTW, I’m a Conservative, not a Republican. Don’t confuse my political position with someone who might feel bound to defend everything the Republicans do. If you think that, you clearly have a very limited understanding of Conservatism.

Obviously, just as I don’t agree with everything the Democrats do.
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October 12, 2012 10:33am
Scott Chris

Expect more of such nonsense if Romney is elected. Because this is the party that focuses on the “big issues”: getting rid of big bird and cracking down on masturbation.

I think the Dems are being a tad disingenuous and rather misguided by focusing on Sesame Street, which I’m sure must be a net revenue generator and could easily stand alone, as opposed to other less popular PBS programs which may face the chop if Romney is elected.

On the other hand, perhaps I’m being politically naive in believing the average American voter takes much notice of rhetorical subtext.
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October 12, 2012 10:35am
Scott Chris

…Mind you, I’d quite like to see Sesame Street introduce a new character: The poor oppressed billionaire who gets shat on by all those nasty liberals. Call him Randy Ayndy. Sesame Street needs more satire I reckon.
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October 12, 2012 10:40am
Tauhei Notts

Backster at 9.53
Keeping Stock at 10.26
There is something very pungent here.
Both of your points were well made.
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October 12, 2012 10:42am
Longknives

So John Minto reckon the Police were “Heavy Handed” yet again?
Yawn! You’ve played this card every protest for the past thirty odd years John- I’ve seen you numerous times with your megaphone swearing and abusing the Police and inciting your followers to attack them…
Be thankful the New Zealand Police are professionals, polite and tolerant. I very much doubt you’d get such politeness if you threatened police in your ‘Communist heaven’ China….
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October 12, 2012 10:45am
Kea

Yeah I would love to see that bitter little freak Minto, mess with the Police in one of his socialist workers paradise countries.
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October 12, 2012 10:47am
Pete George

Sheare is continuing to try and make something out of very little or nothing, using a few GCSB employees as political pawns.

Key says he did speak to staff in the GCSB HQ cafeteria on February 29, but does not remember the remark.

Labour leader David Shearer wants a firm confirmation or denial from Key.

“John Key has not ruled that out. He says he can’t recall,” Shearer said.

“What is at issue here is how upfront John Key has been with New Zealanders.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7807608/Key-GCSB-tape-exists-Labour

It sounds upfront to me when Key says he doesn’t recall saying something trivial eight months ago.

Shearer promised a better sort of politics and he has ended up playing the worst of politics, badly.

If Shearer was to become Prime Minister and had far more sources in GCSB would he use information he got from them to try and discredit opponents?
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October 12, 2012 10:48am
Redbaiter

“In fact he wants to cut taxes across the board in a situation where the deficit is already a trillion dollars.”

If its a maths problem then you need to do your calculations again. Mitt doesn’t want to cut taxes across the board, but that isn’t really the argument. Deficits can only be assuaged by a prosperous economy and no economy has ever prospered under a punitive tax regime.
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October 12, 2012 10:50am
Kea

Deficits can only be assuaged by a prosperous economy

With the implied caveat that they don’t watch porn or take it up the bum a Red ? (now you have established that sex and politics are directly linked)
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October 12, 2012 11:02am
david

I’d warrant that Shearer couldn’t give you a definitive description of a conversation held in February with ……oh say a lathe operator in a small lower Hutt engineering workshop or the staff of a guitar shop somewhere unknown. On “um” and you are a liar by your own definition David. What an ignorant piece of shit. Proves the point though that you can’t polish a turd, Labour tried and failed dismally with every brown slimy thing they have put in front of the public for the last (pick any number) years.
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October 12, 2012 11:08am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7807478/Judge-goes-easy-on-benefit-fraudster

Sickening! Typical bullshitting, bludging DPB recipient.
Fucking parasites…
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October 12, 2012 11:12am
Weihana

Redbaiter,

“…and no economy has ever prospered under a punitive tax regime.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_GDP_per_capita.PNG

What’s more is that it has nothing to do with being “punitive”. Tax is not about punishing the “job creators”, nor “punishing success”. It’s about paying for the things the government spends money on.
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October 12, 2012 11:12am
kowtow

Why would anyone volunteer for these great units when politicians are responsible for the mess in the first place? If anyone should be charged it’s the pollies who send these brave young men to do their dirty work.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9603127/Seven-Marines-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-over-Afghanistan-incident.html
Cry havoc.
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October 12, 2012 11:12am
graham

@ Longknives at 11:12 am –

She didn’t consider her marriage to be a relationship?! WTF!
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October 12, 2012 11:16am
Redbaiter

Weihana GDP is just money changing hands.

Of course there is a lot of it in a socialist economy where churning caused by redistribution provides the illusion of prosperity.

Check out tax rates and the current economic condition of Singapore.
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October 12, 2012 11:21am
Longknives

“She didn’t consider her marriage to be a relationship?! WTF!”

But then in the next breath pleads for mercy as her ‘Beloved’ husband is ill.
Make no mistake- Ms Woolston and her ‘sick’ family will be having a huge party at our expense this weekend…
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October 12, 2012 11:28am
Steve (North Shore)

The overpayment of $84,624 will be claimed back out of her benifit.

So the taxpayer just gave her a $84K bonus
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October 12, 2012 11:44am
Weihana

Redbaiter,

From wikipedia

“Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period.”

Also, I fail to see what Singapore’s economic situation has to do with that of the United States. The United States is waging wars and not paying its bills.

Moreover, Singapore has a type of universal health care system including, according to wikipedia, “compulsory savings, subsidies and price controls”.
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October 12, 2012 11:44am
Redbaiter

Weihana, why is it that lefties cannot distinguish between numbered superannuation accounts (such as in Singapore) and slush funds like NZ operates?

In the former, contributor puts his own money in and gets it back afterwards with earnings, but in the latter, its all thrown into a pot and someone who contributed nothing gets the returns from someone who did contribute.

Even that communist idiot John Stewart (aka Jonathon Liebowitz) couldn’t grasp that stark difference during his debate with the groaning centrist fuckwit O’Reilly.
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October 12, 2012 11:53am
KevinH

The GCSB chat was probably recorded on a mobile, so there will be audio and pictures, perhaps.No doubt GCSB are on to that and will be kicking arses at the moment.
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October 12, 2012 11:55am
Weihana

Longknives,

Ms Woolston and her ‘sick’ family will be having a huge party at our expense this weekend…

Right… her, her husband with terminal cancer and her son with a spinal condition and aspergers are going to be partying up.

Her criminality is certainly not excusable, but her situation can hardly be described as glamorous.
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October 12, 2012 11:57am
liarbors a joke

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8546868/tyson-visa-declined-for-second-time

Good job..already have enough thugs in NZ.
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October 12, 2012 11:57am
Longknives

Why not Party?? They have 80 grand of our money to play with….

I have a family member with Cancer (most people do)
I also have a sore back.
Is it therefore acceptable to you Weihana if I go out and steal 80 grand??
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October 12, 2012 12:07pm
Longknives

As for ‘Aspergers’-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuObGO7ty4I
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October 12, 2012 12:08pm
tedbear

Online music site redigi.com is being sued by Capitol Records and EMI. Redigi is based on reselling ITunes tracks that have already been paid for, so it’s basically selling second hand goods. if regidi lose the case, it’s likely the end of sites like EBay and Trademe.
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October 12, 2012 12:09pm
Viking2

KS. My bad, read the wrong bit of info.
Apologies.
doesn’t change the lack of integrity that is the issue.
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October 12, 2012 12:28pm
Weihana

Longknives (1,512) Says:
October 12th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Why not Party?? They have 80 grand of our money to play with….

I have a family member with Cancer (most people do)
I also have a sore back.
Is it therefore acceptable to you Weihana if I go out and steal 80 grand??

Obviously it’s not acceptable. That’s why I said it wasn’t excusable. But you really think she has 80 grand sitting in a bank account with which to party? I just don’t see the need to jump on a person whose life is hardly the stuff of envy.
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October 12, 2012 12:29pm
Viking2

Head of the SME Business Network Tenby Powell says with so many youth on benefits “it begs the question why you would pay them to do nothing” when the money could be given to employers to train young workers. “It would be easy to administer and not unlike an apprenticeship.”

AT LAST Someone else gets it.
Being saying this for years. well ever since the stupid arses that interfere changed the rules re youth employment.

Work experience the missing link
KERRI JACKSON

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/7808056/Work-experience-the-missing-link
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October 12, 2012 12:30pm
Longknives

“I just don’t see the need to jump on a person whose life is hardly the stuff of envy”

I do see the need to jump on her.
The thieving scum just STOLE $80,000 of taxpayer money, that’s 80 grand that someone else somewhere will miss out on. (Economics 101- It doesn’t grow on trees Weihana..)
And to rub it in she got off scot-free after giving the judge a couple of lame and contradictory excuses…
This piece of feral scum can rot in hell. If I had stolen 80 grand I would be in jail. End of story.
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October 12, 2012 12:47pm
Zapper

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/7806147/The-Press-incapable-of-intelligent-journalism

NZ First not fans of Kiwiblog then 🙂 I look forward to Redbaiter’s assessment of the term “Right-wing Kiwiblog website”.
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October 12, 2012 12:55pm
joana

Kea,
sorry very busy today so not much time to comment..also earlier comment was a bit cryptic. The stupidity of the Australian govt is in their current funding of Indonesia.. generally and in the more specific way of money for mosques and islamic schools..They are paying the tax..can’t recall the islamic spelling..basically , the jiyza..
Muslims in islamic countries are COMPLETELY wrapped in cotton wool; it is just a different type of cotton wool to the one you recognize. I was living in an islamic country when this ”event ” took place..I shall never forget the shock , sadness and suffering of all my Aussie friends. I hardly knew anything about the details,..did not know NZers died and were injured..etc
Infidel deaths are not news in an islamic country..If they are news , it is good news..
In the same way , I hardly knew anything re 9/11 until about a year later..but of course I saw all the Osama Bin Laden t-shirts in the markets and many particularly young local , males wearing them.
Lest we forget.
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October 12, 2012 12:57pm
Weihana

Longknives (1,513) Says:
October 12th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

“I just don’t see the need to jump on a person whose life is hardly the stuff of envy”

I do see the need to jump on her.
The thieving scum just STOLE $80,000 of taxpayer money, that’s 80 grand that someone else somewhere will miss out on. (Economics 101- It doesn’t grow on trees Weihana..)

Indeed it doesn’t grow on trees. Do I need to repeat that I do not think there is any justification for her actions?

And to rub it in she got off scot-free after giving the judge a couple of lame and contradictory excuses…

The claim she didn’t know was a defense. Obvious bullshit. The judge took into consideration her situation which is fair in my view. The 80 grand will be recouped from her benefit. Yes, that’s taxpayers money as well, but I presume this means her money in pocket will be reduced and thus long term she will receive only what she was entitled to in the first place. Seems reasonable to me.
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October 12, 2012 1:09pm
Elaycee

So the convicted rapist Mike Tyson has had his visa application turned down a second time, by Kate Wilkinson.

An excellent decision. And hardly a difficult one either.

Tyson (and his shoe licking supporters) need to realise that actions have consequences.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7807648/Mike-Tyson-declined-New-Zealand-visa-again
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October 12, 2012 1:09pm
Pete George

@Zapper – that’s quite a hissy fit from Denis O’Rourke. If he stated his case without repeated dissing he would have been much more effective.
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October 12, 2012 1:21pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers!

🙂

Remember John Key’s ‘TRANZRAIL eyes’ – when questioned about Tranzrail?

Tranzrail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeJSFVWKnsE

Remember John Key’s ‘TRANZRAIL eyes’ – when questioned about Lord Ashcroft’s visit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GwcCNdTYyQ

What about John Key’s ‘TRANZRAIL eyes’ when questioned about talking to GCSB staff in their cafeteria?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Secret-GCSB-recording-catches-Key-out—Labour/tabid/370/articleID/272405/Default.aspx

Can NZ Prime Minister John Key be trusted?

Nope.

Not in my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner – who took a private prosecution against John Key over Tranzrail – after a formal written complain to the Police and SFO resulted in no action being taken.

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.co
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October 12, 2012 1:38pm
Zapper

Can you be trusted Penny? No, you’re a thief and a liar so why should anyone care about your opinion?

Fuck off.
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October 12, 2012 1:42pm
Manolo

Not in my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner – …after a formal written complain to the Police and SFO resulted in no action being taken.

Miss Dim, the Police probably used your complaint as toilet paper. Exactly what it was for!
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October 12, 2012 1:43pm
liarbors a joke

nutbar alert ” cuckoo..cuckoo “
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October 12, 2012 1:43pm
tom hunter

… and retain all the major entitlements

He does?

I could have sworn I’ve heard and read about how he and the evil Ryan want to use things like vouchers and state-level block-grants with things like Medicare/Medicaid, not to mention gutting $700 billion or so out of Medicare and moving to individualised Social Security accounts.

At least that what Democrats are telling me. They wouldn’t be speaking out of both sides of their mouths would they?
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October 12, 2012 1:59pm
cha

Debate on C-span.

http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events/VP-Biden–Rep-Ryan-Debate-in-Kentucky/10737434293/
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October 12, 2012 2:16pm
Kea

Joana, I see your point. But it is a long bow to draw.
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October 12, 2012 2:22pm
Elaycee

…no action being taken..

Probably because there was no ‘case’ to answer. And that the complaint was deemed to be a complete WOFTAM.

Elaycee,
Attendee: Wairarapa Dog Trial Selection, Homestead Tavern, Masterton. 1980
Attendee: SIS Orientation Day (Location Withheld) (Date Withheld)
http://www.penny-not-so-has-struck-out-again.yawn
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October 12, 2012 2:26pm
Weihana

Tom Hunter,

Well who really knows what he plans to do. Romney and Ryan are rather scant on detail. Conservative Mitt has recently undergone a transformation into moderate Mitt. Who knows what other transformations may occur after the election were he to be elected.

But the point is vouchers still cost money. But Mitt also wants 20 percent marginal income tax rate reductions across the board and to increase military spending. And we’re supposed to believe that everyone’s healthcare will be that much better and all this is “revenue neutral” and unfortunately it will take too long for Ryan to go into details so lets just wait until after November to see what he plans to do.
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October 12, 2012 2:35pm
Falafulu Fisi

This is what trickle down really looks like
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October 12, 2012 2:42pm
Falafulu Fisi

Weihana…
to increase military spending>

National defense is one of the primary roles of the Government in addition to judiciary and law&order. Everything else should be chopped. Why are some being alarmed at the increasing of military spending, while being silent or being advocated to increase spending in non-core Govt roles? Its beyond belief!
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October 12, 2012 2:47pm
Manolo

Putting his money where his mouth is: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/10/rich-worried-and-buying-ad-time/
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October 12, 2012 2:47pm
Manolo

O’Neill departs. Robbie Deans is next:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/john-oneill-steps-down-from-aru-20121012-27gom.html
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October 12, 2012 2:52pm
tom hunter

Romney and Ryan are rather scant on detail.

Well Romney certainly is. However, his sidekick has a very detailed budget that actually passed the House.

As opposed to the fiscally responsible candidate who produced two successive budgets that were so hopeless they could not garner a single vote from his own party!
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October 12, 2012 3:02pm
dime

Where does this Romney is scant on detail shit come from?

I know its not as informative as “hope & change” but if you go to his site there are some in depth pdf’s
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October 12, 2012 3:48pm
Kevin

What an abomination paying such salaries to eeeeoooo trickle down trough feeders. I agree fala, defence, law and order for government…we’ll do the rest.
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October 12, 2012 3:54pm
Weihana

Tom,

A budget which assumes 19% revenue with 5 trillion dollar tax cuts and no explanation of how that revenue will be realized. The great unspecified “tax loopholes and deductions”? Perhaps this includes deductions for home-mortgage interest payments?
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October 12, 2012 4:14pm
Weihana

Falafulu,

“Everything else should be chopped.”

Hopefully Mitt will run with that in the next debate. 🙂
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October 12, 2012 4:19pm
dime

where does the 5 trillion come from? just an obama lie.

even his top aides admit that number is wrong
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October 12, 2012 4:19pm
Weihana

dime (4,927) Says:
October 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Where does this Romney is scant on detail shit come from?

I know its not as informative as “hope & change” but if you go to his site there are some in depth pdf’s

Yes there are PDFs, no they do not explain how he will realize revenue of 19% with his tax cuts.
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October 12, 2012 4:27pm
Nookin

I wonder how much productive work could have been achieved if the authorities did not have to spend so much time on this sort of shit.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7809014/Developer-admits-fake-quake-claims
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October 12, 2012 4:46pm
Jack5

First, New Zealand sends to the world-leading Frankfurt Book Fair an author who has been in a plagiarism scandal and also treats the world intellectuals to a haka.

Now, from the Radio NZ web site, we know that Kim Hill has been sent to the fair to send live reports. A prominent member, in fact a princess, of NZ’s royal house of politically correct, left-wingers.

And Frankfurt wasn’t even in East Germany.

The whole NZ circus funded by the poor bloody taxpayer, of course.
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October 12, 2012 4:49pm
grumpyoldhori

Falafulu Fisi so are you keen on your relatives being chucked out of their state houses in Auckland ?
Or do you believe they have earned the right to pay sod all for a roof over their heads ?
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October 12, 2012 4:57pm
kowtow

France reaping it’s diversity dividend.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/10/20121011173536158424.html
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October 12, 2012 5:15pm
chiz

The Light Emitting Diode or LED is 50 years old this week. Their inventor Nick Holonyak is still alive and would have a better choice, in my opinion, for the Nobel physics prize than this years underwhelming choice.
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October 12, 2012 5:24pm
Jack5

Re Chiz’s (5.24 post).

Chiz, the LED has been boon to everyone. You seem to be the sort of person who can explain about why these guys did get the prize.

The Associated Press item I read online was confusing. It talked about ultraprecise clocks, but I thought the first atomic clock was made more than 60 years ago, and I read on Wikipedia that since 2004 at least there has been a clock accurate to about one second in thirty million years.

Chiz, you might also be able to explain whether the AP report that follows this paragraph is accurate.

…A French-American duo shared the 2012 Nobel Prize in physics Tuesday for experiments on quantum particles that have already resulted in ultra-precise clocks…
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