General Debate 15 October 2012

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Viking2

Take that Wellington

http://screencast.com/t/2wfrQiDjQ

satellite picture about 8 am today. The sky fairy giving Wgtn a serve.
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October 15, 2012 8:06am
graham

So I asked Penny Bright a question two weeks ago, which I didn’t expect her to answer.

I won’t repeat all the details here, for regular Kiwibloggers know them. Suffice it to say, there has been no response in two weeks.

Finally, yesterday, Penny provided the following excuse: “I’ve been busy”.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/10/the_mp_who_thinks_he_is_above_the_law.html#comment-1034190

I have thought about how to respond to this, and drafted a couple of different replies. However I have now decided, for various reasons, to refrain from making any further comment on this subject. There is no point.

All I will say is that I was genuinely interested in how Penny would reply to those questions. Penny, you had an opportunity to put your case and describe how you, and Occupy Auckland, would define a “Code of Conduct”. And I would have listened.

That opportunity is now lost.
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October 15, 2012 8:18am
Manolo

It must be the smoke and hot air coming from Shearer’s orifices.
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October 15, 2012 8:18am
Dave Mann

They had a ‘Diwali celebration’ in Auckland on the weekend, ONE MONTH EARLY. Diwali is not until 13th November this year… so why on earth does Auckland unilaterally take it to themselves to change the date? This is idiotic… like the way Christmas is stretched out ad infinitum to make the most for retailers.

Auckland, here’s a message for you. Diwali is not a commercial event. It is a festival celebrating Ram’s return and defeat of Rawan and the metaphoric triumph of good over evil. By all means have a public event, but at least get the date at least approximately right.
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October 15, 2012 8:25am
Manolo

Wait for the Maori Party to try this here: http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/12/florida-passes-plan-for-racially-based-academic-goals/

The Florida State Board of Education passed a plan that sets goals for students in math and reading based upon their race.

On Tuesday, the board passed a revised strategic plan that says that by 2018, it wants 90% of Asian students, 88% of white students, 81% of Hispanics and 74% of black students to be reading at or above grade level. For math, the goals are 92% of Asian kids to be proficient, whites at 86%, Hispanics at 80% and blacks at 74%.
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October 15, 2012 8:52am
Griff

Manolo
bit late for that national standards don’t include Maori immersion schools
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October 15, 2012 8:56am
flipper

So who or what had a brain fade, as Garner claims Key did?
TV3 : Nats lead Labour by 15+ % points, red melons and Peters down.

May be the voting public just do not care about the unproductive issues that the MSM, Labour and the Red melons keep hammering:
* Water ownership
* Dottie com
* Banks
* GCSB (and the Spy who came in for the mold)
* ACC
* Christchurch schools
* WINZ/MSD (just launched)
* Manufacturing jobs
* The red melon/labour 100 trillion dollar solution to our economic ( non ) problems ….Ooops, shot own foot
and so on…. 🙂
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October 15, 2012 8:56am
Griff

The met office reply to the David Rose opinion piece in the mail can be found here http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/

An article by David Rose appears today in the Mail on Sunday under the title: ‘Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released… and here is the chart to prove it’

It is the second article Mr Rose has written which contains some misleading information, after he wrote an article earlier this year on the same theme – you see our response to that one here.

“The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming.”
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October 15, 2012 9:26am
graham

The public back mining, according to a new poll.

81 per cent of New Zealanders believe it is “very important or quite important” to develop New Zealand’s natural resources for prosperity.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10840489

I look forward to the Greens committing to follow the public’s wishes on this. 🙂
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October 15, 2012 9:37am
dime

Did anyone see UFC 153 yesterday??

Anderson Silva was just amazing to watch. Hes the modern day bruce lee. He absolutely destroyed a guy who was much bigger than him and dangerous as hell.
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October 15, 2012 9:40am
unklefesta

Thanks dime for the spoiler
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October 15, 2012 9:54am
dime

unklefester – lmao. live sport is a spoiler now? you should come here after an all blacks game
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October 15, 2012 10:01am
unklefesta

Posting the results is a spoiler ya womble !!
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October 15, 2012 10:02am
smttc

David Shearer’s descent into Key Derangement Sydrome is now complete. The man was hysterical and practically had a meltdown on Moaning Report this morning.
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October 15, 2012 10:07am
Manolo

The Rainbow branch of the Labour Party would agree: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/11/parent-1-and-parent-2-could-legally-replace-mom-an/
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October 15, 2012 10:10am
Elaycee

graham (9.37am):

I look forward to the Greens committing to follow the public’s wishes on this.

They will, of course, call for a full inquiry into the polling methodology and the subsequent poll results….
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October 15, 2012 10:16am
dime

unklefesta – its a sporting event that happened yesterday ffs.

did you hear the all blacks won the world cup last year?? oh fuck! another spoiler! sorry!!!
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October 15, 2012 10:23am
publicwatchdog

Today, 15 October 2012, is the first ‘anniversary’ of the occupation of Aotea Square, by Occupy Auckland.

A protest has been organised outside Aotea Square, from 12 noon till 5.30pm to help expose how Auckland Council is serving the interests of the corporate 1%.

An ‘Open Letter’ calling for the Office of the Auditor-General to investigate the allegedly corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ of the CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay, who is also a member of the extremely powerful private lobby group – the Committee For Auckland, will be available for concerned citizens to sign.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

Auckland Council ‘books’ are NOT ‘open’.

Although rates keep going up – citizens and ratepayers in the Auckland region do NOT know exactly where public monies are being spent. A Local Government Official Information Act reply from Auckland Council dated 21 November 2011, from Darryl Griffin, confirms the lack of transparency in the spending of public monies by Auckland Council, in refusing to make available for public scrutiny the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names, the scope, term and value of 5000 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers contracted to Auckland Council, on the basis that ‘To collate and publish these would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise’.

How many Auckland Council and Auckland Council Controlled Organisation (CCO) contracts are going to member companies of the Committee For Auckland?

The CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay, has a statutory duty to ensure that there are systems in place to enable accurate reporting of ‘financial performance’.

How is Doug McKay ‘fit for duty’?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

42Chief executive

(1)A local authority must, in accordance with clauses 33 and 34 of Schedule 7, appoint a chief executive.
(2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

(c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and

(d)ensuring the effective and efficient management of the activities of the local authority; and

(e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority; and

This protest has been called by James Heremaia, Jax Taylor and Penny Bright, who were all active in the Occupy Auckland movement, and are continuing the fight for genuinely ‘open, transparent and accountable’ New Zealand local and central government and judiciary.

Support for the principle of a draft ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’ was endorsed at the Occupy Auckland General Assembly held on 1 February 2012.

OCCUPY AUCKLAND (General Assembly 1/2/2012) SUPPORTS THE PRINCIPLE OF A DRAFT ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND [DRAFT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT ONLY]
1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.

3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central government level.

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).
5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.

7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.

9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.

10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.
11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.

12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.

13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.

15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).

16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).

17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government level.

18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.

[Feedback to Occupy Auckland can be sent c/- Penny Bright waterpressure@gmail.com to assist further debate/discussion/workshopping ]
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October 15, 2012 10:27am
Akaroa

‘Leave a Reply” it says.

What possible reply could there be to the dismal, sleep-inducing and repeated meanderings of Madam Bright?.

Maybe – “I see you’ve quit taking the tablets – AGAIN!”
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October 15, 2012 10:45am
Dave Mann

OK, I’ve got a reply.

Fuck off Penny. You’ve got your own blog. Stop hijacking this one. Idiot.
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October 15, 2012 11:13am
Manolo

Today, 15 October 2012, is the first ‘anniversary’ of the occupation of Aotea Square, by Occupy Auckland.

Miss Dim, a year later and you haven’t found a job yet, you lazy woman. Still collecting the dole, uh.
Bludgers of the world, unite!
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October 15, 2012 11:17am
lilman

PENNY loved your post points ,
especially the ones that start with “MAKE A LAW”.
Hopefully other people will respect your law Penny even though you show little regard for other laws.
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October 15, 2012 11:29am
publicwatchdog

Signatures for the following letter will be collected outside Aotea Square, Auckland City TODAY – 15 October 2012:

“OPEN LETTER TO THE OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL

Under s.18 of the Public Audit Act 2001, we the undersigned request that you please conduct an urgent investigation into the following matters:

1) The allegedly corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ of the CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay, who is also a member of the extremely powerful private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

2) Please investigate how many contracts have been awarded by Auckland Council and/or any of the following Auckland Council Controlled Organisations to member companies of the Committee for Auckland:

a) Watercare Services Ltd
b) Auckland Transport
c) ATEED (Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development Ltd)
d) ACIL (Auckland Council Investment Ltd)
e) AWDA (Auckland Waterfront Development Agency Ltd)
f) RFA (Regional Facilities Auckland)
g) APL (Auckland Property Ltd)

3) Please investigate the following potential ‘conflicts of interest’:

a) The CEO of Watercare Services Ltd, is Committee for Auckland member – Mark Ford.

b) The Chair of the Board of ATEED – David McConnell, and Deputy Chair Norm Thompson are both members of the Committee For Auckland.

c) Directors on the Board of ACIL, Pauline Winter and Brian Corban are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

d) Director Evan Davies and CEO John Dalzell of AWDA, are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

e) Deputy Chair Dame Jenny Gibbs, and CEO Robert Domm of RFA, are both members of the Committee for Auckland.

4) Please also investigate the failure of Auckland Council to ensure that CEO Doug McKay carry out his statutory duties under s.42 (2) (e) of the Local Government Act 2002:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html
42Chief executive

(2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—

(c)ensuring that all responsibilities, duties, and powers delegated to him or her or to any person employed by the local authority, or imposed or conferred by an Act, regulation, or bylaw, are properly performed or exercised; and

(d)ensuring the effective and efficient management of the activities of the local authority; and

(e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority;

A Local Government Official Information Act reply from Auckland Council dated 21 November 2011, from Darryl Griffin, (Auckland Council Manager for Democracy Services), confirms the lack of transparency in the spending of public monies by Auckland Council, in refusing to make available for public scrutiny the ‘devilish detail’ ie: the names, the scope, term and value of 5000 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers contracted to Auckland Council, on the basis that:

‘To collate and publish these would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise’.

Further evidence to support this request for an urgent inquiry is:

A) The LGOIMA reply from Wendy Brandon, General Counsel for Auckland Council, dated 10 February 2012 – re: Committee for Auckland – CE membership.

B) The LGOIMA reply from Wendy Brandon, General Counsel for Auckland Council, dated 14 March 2012 – re: Register of Interests and contracts.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

Appellant – Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal (CIV- 2011 – 404 – 8284)
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October 15, 2012 11:34am
Longknives

“Today, 15 October 2012, is the first ‘anniversary’ of the occupation of Aotea Square, by Occupy Auckland.”

Have they cleaned up all their junkie needles yet Penny?
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October 15, 2012 11:37am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/7816417/Germans-crazy-for-Maori-Tae-Bo

I’m sure these very legitimate Maori concerns can be appeased with the appropriate ‘Koha’….
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October 15, 2012 11:39am
Griff

Please cam you ignore penny tarnish if we don’t acknowledge her she stops getting the attention that is feeding her mental problem. If there is no acknowledgement she will go away and stop clogging KB with garbage.
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October 15, 2012 11:42am
Manolo

Gentle politics across the Tasman: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-suffering-a-labor-party-stoning-20121014-27krw.html
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October 15, 2012 11:47am
Manolo

Darrin Apanui, executive director of Te Matatini Kapa Haka Aotearoa, said it was good other countries took an interest inMaori culture and kapa haka, however issues could arise over improper use.

“From a Te Matatini kapa haka perspective it is about the integrity of the art form especially in this context where an overseas company is using elements of haka with other martial arts to promote fitness and obviously run a business operation.

“My concern is about the proper use of the haka movement and performance, the competence of the instructors, and whether those that taught the instructors are recognised exponents of kapa haka as judged by Te Matatini.

You have to laugh at the sheer audacity of some of these people.
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October 15, 2012 11:49am
Viking2

Manolo, there’s one born every minute. Idiots I mean.
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October 15, 2012 12:16pm
Keeping Stock

Penny Bright said

[Feedback to Occupy Auckland can be sent c/- Penny Bright waterpressure@gmail.com to assist further debate/discussion/workshopping ]

Is that the same Occupy Auckland that has disaassociated itself with you Penny because you tried to hijack them? Or are we talking about a different Occupy Auckland?’

CAUTION: PENNY BRIGHT IN COURT CLAIMING TO REPRESENT OCCUPY AUCKLAND THREE DAYS AFTER SLAMMING US IN THE MEDIA.

If you look at Vinnie Eastwood’s You Tube Channel (GuerillaMedia) you will see an interview from last Sunday where Penny Bright publicly bashes:

the Occupy movement,
the Aotearoa is Not For Sale movement,
Unite Union,
Socialist Aotearoa,
Joe Carolan
John Minto (amongst others)

yet then three days later claims to a court to represent us.

Quite obviously, she does not represent us. As proven by her conduct.

You may remember Penny Bright & Chris Glen spent nearly the entire 2012 GA’s trying to DISBAND Occupy working groups, full of people who had donated countless time & resources to promote Occupy.

She has thwarted the cohesion of the movement at every turn. Her continuing similar conduct at other movement planning meetings led to her being expelled from several other movements than Occupy.

As such we denounce any attempt by her to “represent” the Occupy movement.

Please read http://occupysavvy.com/2012/09/24/cointelpro-occupy-the-war-within/ for full details. Ctrl-F “Penny Bright” to get to the part about her quickly.

Thank you to everyone who, despite the saboteurs and infiltration, continues to support our voluntary efforts to educate & unite the New Zealand people.

http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAuck/posts/528696863823929
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October 15, 2012 12:46pm
Keeping Stock

But wait; there’s more:

The infiltrators demonstrate no such compulsion.

They live by sound bytes, endlessly self-promote and betray themselves in their own speech and actions.

It takes less than 2 minutes of the Vinny Eastwood interview for Penny to give herself away. “I’ve never been treated this way by police. By local or central government. These are people who want to have a better society? I think I’d rather have what we’ve got now actually.” Penny Bright. Self-styled #1 NZ anti-corruption campaigner and ex mayoral candidate.

Sound anything like Chris Hedges? Or Naomi Wolf? Or Occupy Media? Or even, as she claims to be, “a professional protester”?

Not even slightly.

http://occupysavvy.com/2012/09/24/cointelpro-occupy-the-war-within/

Oh dear Penny. Even your fellow protesters have a VERY low opinion of you 😀
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October 15, 2012 12:49pm
Manolo

Miss Dim desperately needs to get laid. Any volunteers for self-immolation?
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October 15, 2012 12:53pm
hinamanu

Col. Wilkerson: US War w Iran ‘3 yrs. Away’

This guy is very real now the US is outside Iran. He said this before the US fleet reached the Hormuz Strait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbT5XFnhUGw&feature=related
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October 15, 2012 12:54pm
tom hunter

KS – I hate to sound like a blog monitor, but you’re feeding the insanity and the need for attention.

Fortunately with RIP I can’t see all the PB garbage, as has been the case since she first appeared. However, even the responses – especially the cut and pastes – are clogging up the threads.

We did it for Philu: can we not repeat the process?
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October 15, 2012 12:56pm
hinamanu

Colonel Wilkerson on 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKFbLJDfl4&feature=related
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October 15, 2012 1:00pm
Manolo

To confirm what the despicable and authoritarian comrade Clark said: “There is no underclass in NZ“:
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8548044/hasting-man-dies-woman-charged
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October 15, 2012 1:04pm
Longknives

“Miss Dim desperately needs to get laid. Any volunteers for self-immolation?”

I’d like to nominate Dime. He seems the sort of guy who would ‘take one for the team’…
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October 15, 2012 1:10pm
graham

You are SO dead when Dime reads that, Longknives …
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October 15, 2012 1:12pm
Elaycee

Longknives:

I’d like to nominate Dime. He seems the sort of guy who would ‘take one for the team’…

What the hell has dime done to you?

It must be pretty bad…. 🙁
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October 15, 2012 1:17pm
Paulus

Replying to Dave Mann re Diwali

Have you ever been to Kuala Lumpur, a strong Moslem Capital, around Christmas time, and for at least a month before ?
They love all the glitter that they can find in the celebration of Christ’s birth.

Let Diwali continue as it likes, it is great to see our diversivication for however long, based upon non violent peoples now in
New Zealand. Ramadan has a fixed timescale and likewise the Moslem community are free to enjoy along with anyone else.
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October 15, 2012 1:19pm
graham

You may be waiting for a while for Penny to reply, she is currently sitting outside Aotea Square patiently waiting for the crowds to flock and sign her petition.

Any minute now … the lines will start forming … just you wait …
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October 15, 2012 1:44pm
Longknives

I’m heading to the gym shortly Graham- Will be walking past Aotea Square..
Shall I divert to avoid the crowds?
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October 15, 2012 1:45pm
graham

I don’t think you need bother … 🙂

When I walked past there were four protestors and four policemen …
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October 15, 2012 1:49pm
hinamanu

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released

The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.
The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.
This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz29K7RkZrt
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October 15, 2012 2:00pm
kowtow

graham and mining.

I saw that article in the ODT.

Wish Nats would have a referendum on drill ,mine ,burn at the next election and then they could tell the street protesters,Greens MSM forest and bird ,Luddites etc to fuck off.

But first they’d have to grow a pair.
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October 15, 2012 2:57pm
Griff

hinamanu
An article in a paper that has already been linked to five times in the last day
see my post @ 926 as to the content and blatant bullshit within this fantasy piece
or read the met office uk reply here http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/
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October 15, 2012 3:11pm
Keeping Stock

@ Tom Hunter; I know, I know; I shouldn’t antagonise the poor soul. But her self-righteous crusade is just so dishonest that it needs to be exposed for the fraud that it is.
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October 15, 2012 3:27pm
TheContrarian

“Is that the same Occupy Auckland that has disassociated itself with you Penny because you tried to hijack them? Or are we talking about a different Occupy Auckland?’”

That’s funny because the Wellington occupy group was hi-jack by our very own Penny Bright figure. One Benjamin Easton.
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October 15, 2012 3:28pm
Manolo

That would be Hades, a marriage in hell: the obnoxious Mr Easton and the deranged Miss Dim.
Imagine the potential off-spring!
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October 15, 2012 3:37pm
liarbors a joke

“Miss Dim desperately needs to get laid. Any volunteers for self-immolation?”

I nominate RRM..he deserves it..
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October 15, 2012 4:17pm
Kea

Griff that link does not do much towards convincing me that I should disregard real world measurements, in favour of “computer models”.

My mate Red reckons global warmists are communists BTW (probably gay too).
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October 15, 2012 4:24pm
Manolo

Standing up to the greedy Stone Agers: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8548204/government-goes-ahead-with-share-sale

Yes, I second the motion regarding RRM.
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October 15, 2012 4:27pm
Longknives

Just back from the gym- Went past Aotea Square and didn’t see any protest or upheaval.
What has happened to the ‘Occupy’ movement? Are they all in jail? Or has all that Cannabis simply drained the motivation to protest? I mean, surely they aren’t at work??
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October 15, 2012 4:57pm
Griff

I am beginning to wonder about the connection between you and red maybe the girls go out together and taunt f undies 😆

More to the point to see such dishonesty from the denial camp shows that they are running out of options

Having to point out this type of spin is par for the course in the battle of politics vrs science

Watch the temperature next year it will again be near to or at a record due to the state of the southern osculation

We have had the Antarctic ice is expending again spin winter extent is up 1.5% the actual volume has been trending down for the last decade
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

The good thing from my point of view is in time I will always win the debate. The facts and the science is behind my view 😆
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October 15, 2012 4:59pm
joana

Thirteen million plus for the ”old boys ” of Auckland and 8,000 dollars for the Scottish community.
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October 15, 2012 5:20pm
bereal

Anderson Silva is beyond real.
In a sport (UFC) that shouldn’t even be allowed in such a PC world.
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October 15, 2012 5:26pm
Kea

The facts and the science is behind my view

Maybe. What is not behind your view is actual measurements and empirical data. You stick with your “computer models” and I will stick with observable reality.

We will see who is right.

BTW, Do you think the warming is caused by humans (eg: George Bush, America, Capitalism, George Bush, Big Business, George Bush, White People) or by natural forces?
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October 15, 2012 5:31pm
joana

Softly , softly for the Chinese thug in Christchurch..One law for other NZers , one law for the Chinese..Pathetic and disgusting..Where is DG when you want him ? …150 hours community service should have been strike one.
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October 15, 2012 5:34pm
Manolo

Why did the Romney campaign agree to have this (il)liberal as moderator? Stupidity to the fore.
http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/14/moderator-role-under-scrutiny-before-the-debate/
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October 15, 2012 5:54pm
Griff

“actual measurements and empirical data”
Please give me the actual measurements that place you view above mine. Cheery picked time frames aside the temperature trend is up and the ice volume is down
see my above link from nassa

Global warming is based on the effect of co2 as a green house gas this was discovered by by Joseph Fourier in 1824.
In the 1960s, the warming effect of carbon dioxide gas became increasingly convincing, although some scientists also pointed out that human activities, in the form of atmospheric aerosols (e.g., “pollution”), could have cooling effects as well. During the 1970s, scientific opinion increasingly favoured the warming viewpoint. By the 1990s, as a result of improving fidelity of computer models and observational work confirming the Milankovitch theory of the ice ages, a consensus position formed: greenhouse gases were deeply involved in most climate changes, and human emissions were bringing serious global warming.

As you can see the USA is not the evil its our civilisation based on digging up dead dinosaurs and burning their remains
To this conundrum you have already been informed of my view–Figuratively stick you head between your knees and kiss civilisations arse goodbye–over the next fifty years or so
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October 15, 2012 5:56pm
Kea

Oh so its not the Sun that warms the Earth.

Thanks Griff, I have learnt something more about “climate science”.

Next winter I will just pump co2 into my house. I will be careful to make a computer model of my house to ensure it does not over heat and burn down.

Hay you know allot more than me about this, so maybe you can answer a silly question I have? Where did all that co2 from the “dead dinosaurs” come from Griffy old chap …?
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October 15, 2012 6:15pm
Griff

The Constitutional Advisory Panel has another unofficial branch out there pumping the handle so to speak

http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/news/youth-speak-up-over-constitutional-proposals/1575038/
the Working Group for Constitutional Transformation – have been visiting local marae, Maori organisations and high schools to discuss and gain feedback on developing a model for a New Zealand constitution

http://www.ngatikahu.iwi.nz/sites/default/files/THE%20WORKING%20GROUP%20FOR%20CONSTITUTIONAL%20TRANSFORMATION%20-%20PRIMER%20ONE.pdf
The Working Groups Terms of Reference
seek a constitutional dialogue based on a different set of values as well as on tikanga, He
Whakaputanga and Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
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October 15, 2012 6:19pm
Longknives

Griff
Isn’t it great that the other 88% of New Zealand- European, Polynesian, Asian etc get absolutely no freaking say in this matter?
Last out,lights out…
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October 15, 2012 6:44pm
bereal

What a laugh.

We have heard of a circle fuck.
i heard of it first on Cactus Kates blog.
now here it is before our very eyes.

Griff and Kea

supported by Longknives. to complete the circle.
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October 15, 2012 7:01pm
Kea

bereal, Griff is busy now, huffing co2 with Redbaiter before hitting a few “gentlemens” clubs.
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October 15, 2012 7:05pm
Longknives

“supported by Longknives. to complete the circle.”

What the? I wasn’t even there….
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October 15, 2012 7:10pm
Luc Hansen

hinamanu (1,621) Says:
October 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released

The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

Ah, the escalator view of climate change at work again…

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47

Meanwhile, that 16 period the Daily Mail has fallen in love with also contain 10 of the hottest years ever in the instrumental record – Kea’s ‘real world temperatures’ – and not a computer model in sight.

Also, the GISS record differs (i.e. is slightly higher) from the Hadley Centre in that NASA records from the poles and factors these readings into it’s temperatures. The Arctic Circle is especially important in this regard because of the well known amplification effect – that is, warming is greater at the Arctic than in lower latitudes.

But, just as my old mate Tom Hunter likes to cherry pick Krugman quotes from different eras, so the deniers desperately scamper for short term measurements.

Sadly for them, the long term trends are undeniable, except to those who have a blindfold handy.
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October 15, 2012 7:33pm
Griff

No kea I was busy cooking dindins
Lamb chops that hopefully have been nowhere with in poking distance of johnboy 😉

As to the unofficial Working Group for Constitutional Transformation Its got such luminary’s as Margaret “maori can not be racist” Mutu And having explored some of the links contained within its website is as nutty as a peanut slab.

Apartheid here we come
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October 15, 2012 7:35pm
wat dabney

“We have had the Antarctic ice is expending again spin winter extent is up 1.5% the actual volume has been trending down for the last decade”

Oh but wait…

“Experts: Global warming means more Antarctic ice”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10839848

So if Antarctic ice has actually been decreasing, then that contradicts global warming?

It seems global warming means both less Antarctic ice and more Antarctic ice.

That’s global warming “science” for you: less rain, and more rain; less snow, and more snow. Brilliant.

In fact there are well known issues with the old data that lying Griff links to. It comes from satellites which measure gravity, not ice.

“Since the start of the satellite record, total Antarctic sea ice has increased by about 1 percent per decade.”
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/sea_ice_south.php
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October 15, 2012 7:42pm
Griff

Wat you can not read or you are just an ignorant nutter?
volume not extent volume means how much ice there is as compared to how much of the sea the ice covers
Data from NASA’s Grace satellites show that the land ice sheets in both Antarctica and Greenland are losing mass. The continent of Antarctica (left chart) has been losing more than 100 cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice per year since 2002.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

And as you know from your stupid claim on arctic ice extent last winter high winter ice extent does not mean that summer ice extent is expanding

Why do denial nutters keep posting the same garbage no matter how many times their claims are proven incorrrect
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October 15, 2012 7:57pm
nasska

Vagisil……the cream for irritating twats.

Proud sponsors of Trueblue.
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October 15, 2012 8:00pm
Kea

Griff, I thought you would be a vegan, because animals (owned by white people) fart and will make the world end. Your full of surprises.

But lets get back to that question about the co2 from the “dead dinosaurs”. Where was that co2 before it was in the dinosaurs/crude oil?
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October 15, 2012 8:08pm
wat dabney

Title: Mass Gains of the Antarctic Ice Sheet Exceed Losses

“During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from snow accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gt/yr (2.5% of input)”

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20120013495

Charts showing the blatent fraud which is global warming, as a wholly false warming trend is added to official statistics:

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/ushcn-2-5-new-temperature-cheat/

Note how a cooling trend is transformed into a warming one.
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October 15, 2012 8:14pm
Griff

Do your own googling I am not your teacher.
Google temperatures over the relevant millennium and sea levels after that. Consider if the conditions of the times would have an impact on our present civilisation.
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October 15, 2012 8:19pm
Viking2

Here’ a laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOg_4YbWafg
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October 15, 2012 8:50pm
Viking2

I was in Starbucks recently when I suddenly realised I desperately needed to fart. The music was really loud so I timed my fart with the beat of the music.
After a couple of songs I started to feel better. I finished my coffee and noticed that everyone was staring at me… and suddenly I remembered I was listening to my iPod…
…
And how was your day?

That’s what happens when old people start using technology !
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October 15, 2012 8:53pm
Viking2

During a visit to my doctor, I asked him, “How do you determine whether or not an older person should be put in an old age home?”
“Well,” he said, “we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon, a teacup and a bucket to the person to empty the bathtub.”

“Oh, I understand,” I said. “A normal person would use the bucket because it is bigger than the spoon or the teacup.”

“No” he said. “A normal person would pull the plug. Do you want a bed near the window?”

ARE YOU GOING TO PASS THIS ON … OR DO YOU WANT THE BED NEXT TO MINE?
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October 15, 2012 8:54pm
Viking2

A woman has sued her local hospital saying that after treating her husband recently he has lost all interest in sex.
A hospital spokesman replied – “The man was admitted in Ophthalmology – all we did was correct his eyesight…”
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October 15, 2012 8:55pm
Griff

Wat that is interesting I acknowledge that the two data sets from the same source are at odds time will tell which one is correct If you are actually interested in the debate from both camps it can be found here
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=1&t=147&&a=21

As to your blog link not interested we have seen repeated attempts to attack the temperature record from the likes of Steve and Anthony they have not yet managed to prove any thing other than their own bais
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October 15, 2012 9:08pm
nasska

A pregnant Irish woman from Dublin is involved in a car
accident and falls into a deep coma. She’s asleep for nearly six
months, when she wakes up she sees that she is no longer
pregnant and frantically asks the doctor about her baby.
The doctor replies, “Ma’am you had twins! a boy and a girl.
Your Uncle from Cork came in and named them.”

The woman thinks to herself, “Oh No, not my Uncle…
he’s a bloody idiot! She asks the doctor,
“Well, what’s the girl’s name?”

“Denise.”

“Wow, that’s not a bad name, I like it! What’s the boy’s name?”

“Denephew.”
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October 15, 2012 9:14pm
Kea

Hay Griff, I took your advice and did my own googling. Just like you told me.

Seems that ALL the co2 in those dead dinosaurs came from the atmosphere !

I also found that during the period of the dinosaurs the earth was swarming with life. Life that must have existed in much higher co2 levels, as the co2 we release when we burn dead dinosaurs is only being liberated, not created.

Al Gore would have had a fit back then Griff, what do you reckon ? 🙂
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October 15, 2012 9:15pm
Griff

“sea levels after that. Consider if the conditions of the times would have an impact on our present civilisation.”
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October 15, 2012 9:24pm
Kea

I did Griff and news is great 🙂 We will have vast oceans swarming with GIANT fish. Enough for everybody.

The Iwi will be besides themselves with glee, claiming all that new seabed, and fisheries.

Life will go on Griff.

The next ice age may stuff it all up, but if we keep liberating co2, we may buy ourselves more time.

Your right Griff. Science is fun…
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October 15, 2012 10:29pm
bereal

Griff, Kea,
oh dear girls,

even Longknives bailed out hours ago.

Just declare it a mutual fuckup and both of you, ‘retire hurt.’
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October 15, 2012 10:31pm
Kea

bereal, I am concerned about Griff. He is a good bloke, but worries himself sick that the world is ending because “we burn dinosaurs” (yeah I know!!)

I would take him out for a beer, but the taxi uses dead dinosaurs for fuel, and he will keep worrying the dinosaurs will become extinct. Poor Griff…
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October 15, 2012 10:37pm
bereal

Kea, now your talking.

Poor old Griff.

G’nite all.
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October 15, 2012 10:40pm
Kea

Come back tomorrow bereal.

Griff is going to use (climate) science to show how Cow Farts will end all life as we know it 🙂 🙂
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October 15, 2012 10:52pm
questions

10 smacks to the head for the first idiot who claims Ira Bailey blackmailed MSD/Your-Beloved-Paula today…
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October 16, 2012 1:50am
Viking2

Someone was ranting the other day about how the 2degree’s Telco was doing. (now remeber it has Maori involved.)./

2degrees’ majority owner Trilogy International has seen the “junk” credit rating on hundreds of millions of dollars it owes bond holders cut from bad to worse by Standard & Poor’s.

The cut left some analysts questioning whether and how mobile phone company 2degrees would be able to fend off stronger price competition from Telecom and Vodafone and fund the upgrade of its network to next-generation 4G technology.

S&P cut the rating of US$370m of bonds that Trilogy issued in 2010 from CCC+ to CCC, while leaving its B- corporate credit rating unchanged.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7818889/S-Ps-cut-to-rating-affects-2degrees

So how is that going to end?
Will there be any prospect of Huawei taking over 2degrees’ network if the debt could not be repaid.

Now that would piss off the yanks.
Oh what fun. 😆
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October 16, 2012 6:34am
Manolo

Tomorrow’s debate moderator is reminded of what she said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/08/11/cnns-candy-crowley-ryan-pick-looks-little-bit-some-sort-ticket-death-#ixzz29N2psx9D
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