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Pete George

Harawira’s latest mana-less comment (on Facebook):

Hone Harawira: Time John Key realised a few home truths like (1) he can tell his little house niggers what to do, but (2) the rest of us don’t give a shit for him or his opinions!

http://yournz.org/2012/09/06/hone-harawiras-nigger-comment/

The ‘likes’ strongly favour criticism of this.
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September 6, 2012 8:04am
graham

Stand by for the howls of outrage from certain quarters over Emerson’s cartoon today.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10832016

Re Hone: As I posted on yesterday’s GD. he has it just about right, but it just needs a slight amendment:

“Time Hone Harawira realised a few home truths like (1) he can tell his little house niggers what to do, but (2) the rest of us don’t give a shit for him or his opinions!”

There ya go, Hone, fixed it for you.

I mean, really, apart from the usual radicals, activists, and disaffected, does anybody take Hone Harawira seriously any more? I certainly don’t. It’s a bit like any protest that I see John Minto/Sue Bradford/Penny Bright at. I just switch off, and any message they might have had is lost – because I just can’t take them seriously any more.
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September 6, 2012 8:08am
Keeping Stock

I’ve just blogged on Emmerson’s cartoon Graham; it’s a ripper. 20/20 hindsight is indeed a wonderful gift to possess 😀

And as far as Harawira goes, it’s par for the course. The man is as racist as the so-called racists he criticises. Stand by for Joris de Bres to come down on him like a tonne of…..hot air.
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September 6, 2012 8:12am
Pete George

OneNews get into Harawira but can’t bring themselves to use the word ‘nigger’.

Key ‘we don’t give a s*** about’ your opinions – Harawira

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/key-we-don-t-give-s-your-opinions-harawira-5065630

It’s hard to know if this was a carefully calculated attention seeking or a late night Facebook fuckup.
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September 6, 2012 8:15am
calendar girl

graham @ 8:08 – “I mean, really, apart from the usual radicals, activists, and disaffected, does anybody take Hone Harawira seriously any more?”

Will Joris de Bres take Harawira’s comments seriously? And, whether or not the comments are in breach of the Act, will de Bres be prepared to voice serious criticism of this MP’s serial rascist outbursts? I won’t be holding my breath.
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September 6, 2012 8:21am
graham

“Will Joris de Bres take Harawira’s comments seriously?”

Nope. If I recall correctly from the infamous “white mo-fo” affair, this is defined as “freedom of speech”.
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September 6, 2012 8:27am
Keeping Stock

Absolutely graham; de Bres is quick of the mark when a non-Maori says things that offend, but far slower to censure the likes of Harawira. Thank goodness his term in the role has almost expired.
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September 6, 2012 8:40am
publicwatchdog

Know about this one Kiwibloggers?

PRESS RELEASE TAMAKI HOUSING GROUP 5 September 2012

WE ARE A COMMUNITY – NOT A COMPANY.

It is an absolute farce that suburbs Glen Innes, Pt England and Panmure have been placed under The Tamaki Redevelopment Company with NO consultation what-so-ever from the residents and rate payers in these areas where there is a one to one ratio of hom e owners / tenants.

The Tamaki Redevelopment Company is no more than a Trojan horse for a property developer fuelled land grab. It is an undesirable experiment in the form of an imported failed social housing policy from the United Kingdom.

Optimising land use equates to high rise intensified compounds (zone 8) and charity housing.

The Tamaki Housing Group wants The Heads of Agreement that was signed behind closed doors (24th July 2012) by The Mayor and Housing Minister to be rescinded immediately. Sue Henry 575.6344

Protest Saturday 8th September 10.30am Line Road, Glen Innes.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 6, 2012 8:43am
Keeping Stock

Dear Penny

You still haven’t answered my question. Who is “Dodgy John”? And where has he gone?

Are you still telling fibs?

Best, KS
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September 6, 2012 8:48am
graham

Dear Penny

You also haven’t answered my question. Did OccupyAuckland ever pay for the power they STOLE?

Regards, graham
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September 6, 2012 8:50am
Longknives

Did ‘Occupy’ Auckland ever clean up the mess they made of Aotea Square?? The place smelt to high heaven of Cannabis, urine and body odour and I am told there were used needles lying everywhere….
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September 6, 2012 8:57am
Yvette

Dear Penny

In suggesting that those approved to be involved in MOM asset sales may have conflicts of interest, did you yourself

inquire into this, as you thought we should, and what did you personally find?

With kindest regards, Yvette
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September 6, 2012 9:06am
graham

Longknives – the Council had to clean up Aotea Square, and the small patch just across from the Town Hall where OccupyAuckland set up, and very probably Victoria and Albert Parks also.

Some of the costs incurred include:

– Security at $119,673.
– $42,287 on fixing damage to Aotea and Horitiu squares, assessments, fencing, signage and clean-up costs.

Apparently, Penny sees this as ‘a victory’ for all the people she claims to represent – you know, ordinary people who pay rates – because the Council ended up dropping court proceedings against OccupyAuckland. Thus, the Council (ie, ordinary people who pay rates) ended up paying those costs, plus nearly $200,000 in legal fees.

Thanks for sticking up for us there, Penny. Please don’t bother next time, though, we can’t afford it.
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September 6, 2012 9:10am
Keeping Stock

Dear Penny

Is it a good look for a self-titled “anti-corruption campaigner” to tell lies, and to smear people merely because said “anti-corruption campaigner” disagrees with their political philosophy?

Best, KS
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September 6, 2012 9:11am
unaha-closp

The ETS is finally starting to bite and get rid of that massive polluting aluminium smelter at Bluff.

Offshoring production to even more polluting overseas smelters and are killing off NZ jobs. Winning.
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September 6, 2012 9:15am
Sofia

Dear Penny,

Do you realise that if John Key accedes to any shares ‘plus’ or ‘veto’ provision for Maori in the sale of Mighty River Power

shares it will be contrary to the Election promise of no more than 10% interest to any one shareholder and therefore

break that promise. And as a tiebreaker that could render the Green/Labour Referendum and your change your power

supplier campaign a total waste of time – blow them right out of the water [whoever owns it], so to speak.

Make our day, Penny

regards, Sofia
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September 6, 2012 9:23am
Elaycee

Penny Not-So:

Protest Saturday 8th…. [yawn] September 10.30am [yawn] Line Road, Glen Innes [yawn].

So we now have another gathering of the usual suspects at another place in Auckland to ‘protest’ against something else.

And sure as the sun will set later today, the same old tired faces will be present, holding the same old placards, chanting the same old crap, all diligently reciting the same old trite lines at the usual tempo – accompanied by the same old battered megaphone. That is, assuming that they somehow get more to attend than the 3 dishevelled examples who were huddling against the cold wind blowing along the footpath outside Mercury Energy on GT South Road earlier this week. 😀

And if the ‘protesters’ can persuade one of their union comrades to attend, no doubt the ‘story’ will be beaten up and repeated by the same old breathless ‘media’ kids from the same old hack publications – somehow claiming that this ‘campaign’ echoes the opinions of the community. The reality is, of course, totally different as the community is really applauding the move to demolish the bloody awful, high maintenance 1960’s style flats that are there and replace them with something from the 21st century.

And the net effect of Penny Not-So’s latest ‘protest’ will be the same as all her other ‘protests’… nothing!

Nada. Zero. Zip. Zilch. SFA!

Elaycee,
Attendee: Carterton Sheep Rodeo – 1980
Attendee: SIS Surveillance Course, [location withheld] 1982.
http://www.save.our.planet.from.skunk.wearing.dissidents.now
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September 6, 2012 10:04am
graham

Elaycee – it is incorrect to state that “the net effect of Penny Not-So’s latest ‘protest’ will be the same as all her other ‘protests’… nothing!”

The net effect of the OccupyAuckland protest was a bill of $356,587 to the ratepayers.
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September 6, 2012 10:21am
wreck1080

The high nz dollar is starting to bite in the way of job losses in exporting industries.

The govt has been quite happy to let the exporters take the pain so no surprise.

There certainly are some options to reduce the value of the dollar — one of which was recently printed on kiwiblog –ie, to tax interest on savings of foreigners.

Another would be to further reduce government borrowing.

Or, maybe we should intensify farming even further and rely on agriculture and not worry about other exporting industries.
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September 6, 2012 10:46am
Elaycee

@graham:

The net effect of the OccupyAuckland protest was a bill of $356,587 to the ratepayers.

Shit! Of course! Mea Culpa.

In fact, there should be a line item on my rates bill: Clean Up After Squatters Departed Aotea Square – $$$ 🙁 🙁

How could I possibly forget it?
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September 6, 2012 10:48am
graham

Maori leaders eager to win Chinese investment

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10832047

A group of Maori business leaders will travel to China next month to talk to Shanghai Pengxin about potential investment opportunities. The group will be led by the Maori Trustee, Jamie Tuuta.

“Too often we have been just an asset holder, very passive, nothing beyond the farm gate,” Mr Tuuta told the Herald. “If we are to create wealth for our people we have got to be participating throughout the value chain.”

“We’ve got to generate cash from the business enterprise on land rather than get capital gain and sell it at future date.”

Good stuff. This is what I think many of us we are looking to Maori to do – stop sitting on their assets and use them to generate wealth for ‘their people’.

But I imagine the Greens will be all over this, telling the Maori business leaders not to do any business with Shanghai Pengxin. Anfter all, we don’t want their money – right? So the Greens will be falling over themselves telling Maori how to run their affairs – right?

From the same article:

Prime Minister John Key opened the conference and emphasised the role of China in the New Zealand economy.

China was New Zealand’s 11th-largest investor with $1.8 billion of investment in 2011, including in forestry, manufacturing and agriculture.

“China is also investing in New Zealand government bonds, contributing to the record low borrowing rates New Zealand currently enjoys.”

Haven’t heard the Greens complain about those invetments so far …
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September 6, 2012 10:56am
James Stephenson

There certainly are some options to reduce the value of the dollar — one of which was recently printed on kiwiblog –ie, to tax interest on savings of foreigners.

Isn’t that going to just erode the already pitiful savings base in the country and lead to more offshore-sourced private borrowing?

Our best hope (sadly) is that Romney wins and the US’s flirtation with a return to a commodity-base for their dollar gets a bit stronger

http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2012/09/05/gold-standard-is-coming/
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September 6, 2012 10:58am
kowtow

unaha closp

A sad state of affairs when a dumb arse racist politician gets more attention for saying “nigger” than a significant loss of jobs at a major employer.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/7621096/65-smelter-jobs-to-be-axed

But there does appear to be some good news.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7620994/West-Coast-miner-We-re-ready-to-hire

And look at who’s holding up jobs,wealth and progress!
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September 6, 2012 11:16am
Paulus

Wreck1080

Look forward to hearing how you would solve the problem of the high NZ dollar, against our trading partners.

You are obviously an expert so look forward to hearing from you please.
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September 6, 2012 11:30am
Tauhei Notts

Kowtow,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
Look at the list; Forest and Bird, Green Party, High Court, Court of Appeal, Supreme Court, ERMA, and others.
They all work to make the creation of jobs in our country a needlessly expensive minefield.
Wouldn’t it be neat if that money was spent on higher wages instead of rapacious lawyers.
I find it all rather depressing.
That Denniston plateau is out the arse end of beyond. Get in. Mine it. Pay the wages. Get on with life.
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September 6, 2012 11:33am
Fletch

OK, so DC Comics newest version of Green Lantern is Muslim.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/green-lantern-0-introduces-new-muslim-arab-american-super-hero-a-major-milestone-comics-article-1.1151433

I wonder if he’ll stone their new gay Green Lantern from Earth 2?
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September 6, 2012 11:37am
iMP

Moving on from “DC” to DNC (make mine Marvel): Video and detailed coverage of the deepening own-goal crisis today at the DNC (putting “God” & “Jerusalem” back into their Platform), the shonky vote, and lies caught on audio by senior Democratic elected officials about Israel, is here:

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/the-dnc-god-vote-you-decide

Fascinating politics, the DNC’s are digging holes and own-goaling all over the place. Looking fwd to Clinton in a few hours.
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September 6, 2012 12:00pm
Viking2

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/31115-greerton-mussel-factory-closes.html

More jobs gone to the high dollar. $23 million factory key opened in 2010 shuts.
Add that to the PSA problem for Kiwifruit and the BOP is looking not so good for employment. closed factories and buildings everywhere.

But do the Nice Nats notice on their way to their beach houses. Shit no.
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September 6, 2012 12:11pm
Manolo

This man is God himself: http://washingtonexaminer.com/rahm-emanuel-in-june-when-president-obama-arrives-the-rain-stops/article/2507012#.UEf5eCIkllR
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September 6, 2012 1:17pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers!

Sink your goldfish gums into this one!

🙂

____________________________________________________________________________________________

What do these ‘senior’ QCs Gray and Miles have to say about the lack of accountability of NZ Judges – given that there is no enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’; no ‘Register of Pecuniary Interests’ and court proceedings are regularly NOT recorded?

How many times has Julian Miles QC appeared in Court when Court proceedings have not been recorded?

I for one do not respect ‘seniority’ alone.

I respect principle and integrity.

Good on Tony Molloy QC – you don’t ‘cop the flak unless you’re over the target’!

GREAT work!

KEEP GOING……………….

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 6, 2012 1:39pm
publicwatchdog

The Occupy Auckland matter should NEVER have gone to Court.

We were ‘still talking’ with Mayor Len Brown.

It has been a disgraceful waste of ratepayers’ money – most of which has gone on legal fees.

Penny Bright

Named Appellant

Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council
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September 6, 2012 1:41pm
thedavincimode

Have you fed and watered your hat today?
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September 6, 2012 1:45pm
Sofia

Penny, did you leave a link out of your 1.39 comment
We can’t sink our goldfish gums into anything when we haven’t a fucking clue what you’re on about.
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September 6, 2012 1:47pm
graham

Welcome back Penny, we’ve missed you! 🙂

When you can spare a few minutes of your valuable time, would you mind answering the questions that Keeping Stock, Yvette, and myself have asked you?

Oh! – and have a LOVELY day!

graham
ATTENDEE, Grand Final Sheep Racing Helensville A&P Show 2011 and 2012
ATTENDEE, Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
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September 6, 2012 1:48pm
thedavincimode

we haven’t a fucking clue what you’re on about

You care?
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September 6, 2012 1:49pm
Sofia

You care?
________

It would be better if Penny’s screeds of krap made a little more sense than just being self quotes of quotes of herself, supposed letters, to officials, which are impossible to tell where they start or finish, endless references to clause something part so and so, lines that illogically separate items, and all ending in a URL claiming John is gone, when, far as I can ascertain, he hasn’t.
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September 6, 2012 2:05pm
graham

PS: I’m so happy to see you taking responsibility for your actions for once, Penny.

You’re right, of course – OccupyAuckland has indeed “been a disgraceful waste of ratepayers’ money” as you put it. What with us having to pay for Security for the poor little darlings at $119,673, and pay $42,287 to repair the damage you caused to Aotea and Horitiu squares, assessments, fencing, signage and clean-up costs.

Good for you, admitting it! 🙂
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September 6, 2012 2:06pm
vto

So that thread yesterday about stopping payments to beneficiaries if they have outstanding arrest warrants ….

Can someone please explain, in at least some detail, the reason for that policy? I would like to analyse it.
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September 6, 2012 2:34pm
Pete George

vto – here’s the official release (not much detail):
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/benefits-stopped-those-arrest-warrants

It seems fairly simple – if there’s an arrest warrant, front up. According to one lawyer commenting, most people are aware of warrants and are simply avoiding dealing with them.
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September 6, 2012 2:38pm
vto

Pete, both of those are incoherent as to the reason for the policy…

anyone else? (edit: you changed it on me. But still there is no reason. So far no reason)
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September 6, 2012 2:40pm
Pete George

vto – I presume the reason is to stop people who are using state welfare to avoid their legal responsibilities.

In other words, if you want to live off the state, abide by state laws.

If the warrant is for something minor then it will be a minor task dealing with it . And most people on benefits should have ample time to deal with it.
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September 6, 2012 2:49pm
Wayne91

VTO – “So that thread yesterday about stopping payments to beneficiaries if they have outstanding arrest warrants ….
Can someone please explain, in at least some detail, the reason for that policy? I would like to analyse it.”

Just common sense really – no need to analyse it. Most people seemed shocked that its not allready done.
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September 6, 2012 2:53pm
vto

So the reason for the policy is that if you receive money or benefits from the state then you must abide by the state’s laws. And if you don’t so abide then that money or those benefits get stopped.

Is that it? Anyone else like to add other reasons?

(edit: and Pete, it is very interesting and disturbing that you have to “presume the reason”, is it not?
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September 6, 2012 2:53pm
Nookin

vto
Your problem is not that you cannot see any logic. Your problem is that there are no circumstances in which you would be prepared to consider the matter objectively and conced any semblance of merit.

Here is a question for you. A few years back, a Christcurch family received grants from WINZ to fence swimming pools on one of their rental properties. Assume for a moment that these grants were secured by fraudulent representation and they were arrested. Would you, as a taxpayer, consider it acceptable that the state (ie you) should continue to pay them and subsidise their flight? Or do you think that maybe the state (namely you) should say that the benefit cheque can be collected from the court? Why should that taxpayer fork out to the police to chase after them and at the same time pay their travelling costs as they run away.
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September 6, 2012 2:58pm
Pete George

vto: it is very interesting and disturbing that you have to “presume the reason”, is it not?

I wouldn’t call it disturbing but I’d prefer to see more details. Maybe they thought the reasons would be obvious enough.

It’s very easy to avoid getting their benefit cut, comply with the law. Seems fairly straight forward. I don’t know why anyone would think that’s a bad thing.

Can you think of why it wouldn’t be fair?
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September 6, 2012 3:08pm
graham

vto:

I personally would put it like this:

If you choose to commit a crime against society, how can you then justify that society should still help you?
If you knowingly raise two rude fingers to society and say, in effect, “F*** you”, why should society feel obligated to help you?
If you break the laws of society, should society knowingly and willingly condone you breaking laws by paying you a benefit to live on?
If you don’t play by the rules that you don’t like, why do you think the rest of the laws (the ones you do like) should still apply to you?
Why should we allow criminals to take advantage of us?
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September 6, 2012 3:11pm
vto

I was asking a simple question Nookin. I’ll ask it again…. what are the reasons for this policy? Perhaps you could outline it / them.

But then again, your post there indicates that you think the reason is the same one Pete hints at.

So we have one reason so far …
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September 6, 2012 3:13pm
Manolo

vto, here’s another tree to hug. Put your wimpish thoughts aside and get real with the crooks that are bleeding us (assuming you’re a taxpayer).
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September 6, 2012 3:14pm
graham

If you are not prepared to contribute to society, should society be prepared to contribute to you?
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September 6, 2012 3:15pm
vto

graham, you confirm the same reason.

So what I would like to know is why each of you would not apply that same reason to all other people who receive money and benefits from the state, such as students, superannuitants, working for families recipients, health care and education recipients, road-users, on it goes ….

Why? Same reason that each of you has described above applies. Please explain.
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September 6, 2012 3:16pm
nonpartisan

vto at 2:53 pm
So the reason for the policy is that if you receive money or benefits from the state then you must abide by the state’s laws. And if you don’t so abide then that money or those benefits get stopped.

Is that it? Anyone else like to add other reasons?

What other reasons could possibly be needed? When the state is helping you out, show some respect and obey the law. Commonly known as “don’t bite the hand that’s feed you”.
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September 6, 2012 3:18pm
graham

Why should we apply that same reason to all other people?

If all other people who receive money and benefits from the state, such as students, superannuitants, working for families recipients, health care and education recipients, follow the laws of the land, then they are entitled to those benefits.

To put it simply – if they play by the rules, then we as a society have said “We are willing to help those people who need help”.

If they don’t play by the rules, then the Government (acting on society’s behalf) have said, “We expect you to play by the rules that apply to this society. If you choose not to play by society’s rules, if you consciously turn your back on society, then don’t expect society to help you out.”
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September 6, 2012 3:21pm
Pete George

I’ve asked Paula but she doesn’t usually reply.

So I’ll guess – the aim is increase compliance with our laws and to stop people from avoiding their arrest warrants. I think there are similar procedures if you try and leave the country.

It’s not a new or radical concept. Some time last century I applied for a firearm licence. The police said they had an outstanding warrant for my arrest, it was for a traffic ticket several years earlier when I was living at the other end of the country. It took five minutes to sort it out and I then got my firearm licence.
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September 6, 2012 3:21pm
Manolo

The relevance of the Jewish vote in the US: http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-night-the-democrats-lost-control-of-the-israel-message/
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September 6, 2012 3:22pm
vto

Ok, thanks graham. That’s great that you agree that any superannuitants, students, road users, WFF, health care and education recipients who have outstanding arrest warrants (and lets throw the drug thing in there too for the same reasons) lose their super, their education, their student loans and benefits, their road use, the working for families.

That is all I was looking for – consistency.
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September 6, 2012 3:24pm
vto

Will someone please tell Paula Bennett to apply the policy across all recipients then? Perhaps you David Farrar – it seems that’s what the faithful are saying they want. Announce tomorrow that it will apply to pensioners and wff etc. Go on. Show us your principles.
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September 6, 2012 3:31pm
iMP

The CLINTON speech has just concluded (NZ 3.25pm). here is a complete run down.
http://conzervative.wordpress.com
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September 6, 2012 3:32pm
bhudson

vto,

How many pensioners have outstanding arrest warrants?
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September 6, 2012 3:33pm
noskire

SBS series Housos, featuring Kev The Maori. Absolutely not safe for work, but bloody funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZRgve18SQ&feature=related
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September 6, 2012 3:36pm
Pete George

I don’t see why WFF shouldn’t apply, although it’s a credit, not a benefit.

Super could apply as well but I suspect very few will be affected, by far the majority of outstanding warrants will be for young people, they do much more crime and are more transient. (as per bhudson)
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September 6, 2012 3:36pm
vto

bhudson, you know in this world the trick is not to have the right answers as they can always be found – the trick is to have the right questions. Try this one … how many outstanding arrest warrants are there in NZ? And this one … how many New Zealanders receive money or other benefit from the state? Those two will lead you in the right direction if this is the way people want to play it between state and person.
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September 6, 2012 3:37pm
Elaycee

vto:

Will someone please tell Paula Bennett to apply the policy across all recipients then

As it’s patently obvious that you’re the only person beating this particular drum, why don’t you get off your arse and ask the Minister yourself?

Nah – thought not. Does it sound too much like work???
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September 6, 2012 3:38pm
Pete George

how many outstanding arrest warrants are there in NZ?

That was in yesterday’s post and in the minister’s release.

“Of the approximately 15,000 people with a current arrest warrant, around 8,200 are on benefits,” says Mrs Bennett.
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September 6, 2012 3:41pm
vto

Thanks Pete – so there we go. The policy is only half baked. Pete, could you please tell the Minister to revise the policy appropriately tomorrow? You seem to have inroads to that motley bunch.

And elaycee, you may be interested to know that the work I have completed is the equivalent to what the average worker puts out in 20 lifetimes. And still going. You?
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September 6, 2012 3:44pm
Pete George

Here’s another political ‘distraction’:

Collins: Get tough on liquor law breakers

Liquor trade law enforcement officers have been told to show zero tolerance for bad behaviour when the Alcohol Reform Bill’s new rules are in place.

Justice Minister Judith Collins delivered her “get tough” message to licensing inspectors at their annual conference in Wellington on Thursday.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Collins-Get-tough-on-liquor-law-breakers/tabid/1607/articleID/268291/Default.aspx

The timing of the annual conference was probably deliberate to distract from (what’s the current thing National want to avoid being highlighted?)

But again that should be popular, many people have been saying better compliance with existing laws should come before creating or changing the laws.
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September 6, 2012 3:46pm
Pete George

The policy is only half baked.

Ah, no, hard to deduce that. Many of the rest could be employed.

No, I won’t ask the Minister to revise. I don’t have inroads there. And it seems to be your priority, not mine. I do hope they have researched the various options thoroughly.
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September 6, 2012 3:51pm
vto

But Pete, you and others have said that the reason concerns people receiving money and other benefits from the state. Employment (“Many of the rest could be employed.”) has nothing to do with it.

You see – lack of thought and excess of bigoted reaction.

And ok, I’ll ask the Minister myself.
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September 6, 2012 3:56pm
vto

Come on everyone – graham, Pete, bhudson, nonpartisan, elaycee, I toned down the rhetoric and engaged with you over a particular point. Do you agree with the particular point or not? If you do then please have a think about the motivations of this government in not being consistent in this policy. If you don’t then please explain why not?

Having said that, I need to depart now and wont be able to check back for some time.
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September 6, 2012 4:15pm
Pete George

I don’t know where you get the ‘bigoted reaction’ from.

National were more explicit in their election material, titled “No dole for people on the run from Police”. A reason given was:

This collaborative approach between Police and Work and Income will free up significant Police time and resources.

Perhaps they are targetting the biggest problem area, or perhaps they were pandering to public sentiment (being an election publication I expect they had some thoughts of getting votes). Possibly a bit of both.

More details: http://yournz.org/2012/09/06/no-dole-for-people-on-the-run/
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September 6, 2012 4:17pm
nasska

vto

Put simply…..who gives a stuff? Any of the 8200 petals affected could through their own choice:

1) Stop offending as this is a major cause of arrest warrants being issued OR

2) Get off their bludging arses & get a job. This has a twofold benefit as no longer do we have to subsidise the crime but they won’t have the time to do it in the first place.

Any other social problems you’d like me to sort out while I’m having a coffee break?
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September 6, 2012 4:19pm
graham

Sorry vto, I’m away from my computer and there’s actually too many inconsistencies in your initial reply to answer on a mobile.
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September 6, 2012 4:44pm
RF

In response to Maori being treasures and having an affinity to mother earth.. 8 years ago 4 white males were camping on private land next to a beach. They had permission from the farmer on the understanding that they would not leave any rubbish. Around 10 Maori youths and a couple in their late 20s .. Male and female.. turned up and demanded cash for them camping there. When this was rejected veiled threats were made and as the area was isolated a couple of cases of beer were made as payment. The Maori lectured the campers about them being squatters and not having a feel for the land. Next morning the campers discovered that where the Maori had been “camping” over night there were empty beer cans, broken bottles, human crap and general food and rubbish that attracted flies.

Makes it rather difficult to take notice of our “landlords”.
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September 6, 2012 6:59pm
Hamnida

I think it’s all over the Romney/Ryan ticket.

Massive speeches from Mrs Obama and Mr Clinton have destroyed the faint hope the Republicans had.
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September 6, 2012 7:14pm
Steve (North Shore)

Geeze, only 15 minutes to digress Hamnida
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September 6, 2012 7:35pm
Steve (North Shore)

You are going to respond to the comment made by RF, I hope
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September 6, 2012 7:37pm
Hamnida

My views on Maori are clear and well known – Maori are the Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa and must be respected as such.

There is no proof RF’s racist attack on Maori is true.
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September 6, 2012 7:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Yes this is a copy and paste:
Nevertheless, any honest observer would concede that Obama inherited an economy in critical condition. But even as volatility has decreased since 2009, the stability that Obama has achieved has been the worst kind – stagnation. During the financial crisis, Americans went to sleep wondering what the next day would bring. Under Obama, they know exactly what tomorrow will bring – more of the same. In a word, hopelessness.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanhorn/2012/09/04/the-question-president-obama-doesnt-want-to-answer/
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September 6, 2012 7:43pm
Elaycee

vto:

And elaycee, you may be interested to know that the work I have completed is the equivalent to what the average worker puts out in 20 lifetimes. And still going. You?

Whoopdeedoo… But it is of no interest to me anyway – none of my business. And not relevant to the discussion…

But given your self commendation, I’m sure you can organise yourself sufficiently well to be able to get off your bum and ask the Minister the same questions that you expect us all to answer on her behalf.

EDIT:

And ok, I’ll ask the Minister myself.

Now you’ve got it! 😀
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September 6, 2012 7:45pm
RF

If my memory is correct I think it was Lord Nelson who put his telescope up to his blind eye and said “I see no ships”.

It’s good that the US Elections are far more important than our survival from Maori screwing us.
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September 6, 2012 7:46pm
Hamnida

Steve – Keen for a $100 bet on the election winner?

By win I mean who becomes President.

I have dealt with both Neolibs and Torys on this blog who have tried to weasel out of bets.
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September 6, 2012 7:47pm
Steve (North Shore)

Chocolate fish is fine, it is not the money, it is the prestige of winning.
There will be a change of Government in USA
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September 6, 2012 7:55pm
nasska

A Maori kid asked his dad, “Dad, can we get Sky?”

Dad replies …… “Taihoa boy, we’re still trying to get the seabed, foreshore, water rights and control of the airwaves before we have a go for that!”
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September 6, 2012 8:00pm
Hamnida

Ok, a chocolate fish.
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September 6, 2012 8:01pm
RF

Hamnida

Sorry but those that tell the truth and portrays some of the Maori low life’s that frequent this land as not nice to know ….Yes we also have non Maori who are just as bad… Is not a racist. Sorry dear but it’s true account of what took place. I did not mention what was stolen from an unlocked van at the time. Anyhow during the summer similar incidents are well documented in the media. Until you accept this and stop preaching about our national treasures the great divide will remain.
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September 6, 2012 8:05pm
nasska

I reckon that this fairly much sums up Reid’s take on the presidential elections. 🙂

Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/KjmBk
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September 6, 2012 8:05pm
Griff

Treasures as in nappy’s fill of shite maybe hamyleftydumbo
You can “believe” all you like the statistics dont lie
your treasures make up 50% of the prison population yet only 15% of the total population
9 out of every ten children beaten to death in this country are killed by treasures
I could keep going but even you know the facts on treasures as in not quite as civilised despite the best efforts of the rest of us for the last 170years
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September 6, 2012 8:31pm
tedbear

Have a few hours to kill at Sydney airport en route Manchester, man who would want to live here – one packet of Tim Tams $4.25.
The headline in a local paper, Australian soldier murdered in Afghanistan – what’s this crap? He’s in a warzone!!So its obviously ok for aussies to kill any amount of enemy, but when one of their own gets shot, it’s murder.
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September 6, 2012 8:35pm
Hamnida

Very racist Griff.

It’s like me saying all Pakeha men are rapists becuase of Stuart Murray Wilson.
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September 6, 2012 8:45pm
Sofia

I can sense Treasures going about as batshit crazy as Imperial Tobacco
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September 6, 2012 8:51pm
MH

Vice Admiral of the Blue to his flag Captain-I really do not see the signal- vunderful vunderful Copenhagen. It was kismet,hardy
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September 6, 2012 9:00pm
nasska

Hamnida

Read Griff’s post again…..50%, half or one in two prison inmates are from one race. They are not there for shoplifting or burglary either as nowadays you’ve little chance of imprisonment unless the crime(s) involved violence or serious repeat offending.

How can it be racist to quote an official statistic?
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September 6, 2012 9:02pm
Hamnida

It’s racial because he is using questionable statistics to paint an ethnic group in a negative way.

15% of the population are Maori? Says who?

50% of the prision population is Maori? Says who?

It’s just like me saying 40% of Neolib men beat their wives.
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September 6, 2012 9:07pm
Griff

No hamyleftydumbo
the subset of white males that is Stuart Murray Wilson is one out of 500,000 white males
The subset of treasures that beat their kids to death is 9 out of every ten persons who beat kids to death
A vast difference from 1/500,000 to 9/ 10
Statistics are facts hamyleftydumbo not racist propaganda facts I did not say all moari beat their kids to death or all moari are x that would be racist
Remember the simple definition that I posted yesterday. You are the one making broad assumptions about a race of people”treasure” I only post comments that say culture not race Ie it is not racist to expand to the number of children beaten to death by treasures reflects a part of treasure culture It would be racist to say treasures beat their kids to death because they are of the treasure race you can change your culture you can do nothing about your racial inheritance
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September 6, 2012 9:08pm
MH

The soldiers were murdered by an Afghani insider, sometimes referred to as green on blue. Not as bad as saying Suicide Bomber,when they should be referred to as suicide murderers as they deliberately kill others for no purpose.
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September 6, 2012 9:09pm
nasska

Haminda

…”Says who?”….

1) The Dept of Statistics

2) The Dept of Corrections

3) Attributed to an insane Korean. 🙂
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September 6, 2012 9:13pm
RF

Hamnida

Just looked up Ministry of Justice. The percentage of Maori in prison is 48%

Wikipedia advises that the Maori population in NZ is 14~15%.

Feel good ? Better take off both eye patches
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September 6, 2012 9:21pm
Tauhei Notts

Question for Nasska;
“Did Philu learn punctuation and change his name to Hamnida?”
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September 6, 2012 9:25pm
nasska

Tauhei Notts

It’s tempting to think so but ‘Haminda’ doesn’t seem challenged by the mundane world of grammar either. His handicaps follow more the unwashed appeal of Ross69, the singlemindedness of Redbaiter & the intellectual firepower of Luc.

Just another socialist meteorite to flare quickly & disappear into oblivion. 🙂
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September 6, 2012 9:35pm
Griff

nasska its quite good we do not need to post jokes to lighten the night we have hamyleftydumbo to post them for us 😆
she just posted moari were at peace It would seem by this that the fact they lived in fortified villages as drawn by Joeseph Banks in the endeavour log was due to the attacks the treasures sustained by killer weka. Of course and unfortunately for modern science the last of these killer weka were eliminated just 36 seconds before captain Cook sailed into view.
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September 6, 2012 9:38pm
nasska

Griff

Some of those old Maori legends seemed to indicate that all was not peace & love in Ancient Aotearoa either. After all they had depicted themselves as “great warriors” in their oral histories. If the warriors were warring then my guess it would have to be with other Maori in the absence of anyone else.

Unless it was those bastard weka after all! 🙂
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