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September 4, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 4 September 2012

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Steve (North Shore)

Close Up, you watch that shit daddy?
The walrus that holds his dick? get a life
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September 4, 2012 8:39pm
kowtow

Anyone notice Walrus that holds his dick can’t pronounce “now”,he says “Naar”,what would the State Dept make o’dat?
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September 4, 2012 8:51pm
Reid

Quite a good summary of what’s going on, economically:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/03/259605/global-crisis-rooted-in-toxic-assets/

Note particularly the point made about Germany, that’s real significant for those who understand what really happened after WWII and the significance of the subsequent reunification.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/business/economy/us-companies-prepare-in-case-greece-exits-euro.html?_r=1
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September 4, 2012 9:28pm
Griff

lighting strike is ralitivly frequent cause of death on golf courses gods revenge for inventing such a frustrating game. I have also been in thunderstorms while fishing. Standing higher than any thing for meters with my feet in water whilst holding a carbon pole gives me the willys. You know that feeling that your nutts are trying exit their sack to change to ovaries whilst your ring does a pulsing dance to insure against the entry of random foreign body’s,
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September 4, 2012 9:41pm
hj

The borders have been thrown open: The NZ Meat Industry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ch8zL2_oWk&feature=player_embedded
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September 4, 2012 9:49pm
hj

THE LAST SIXTY YEARS
By Albert A. Bartlett

In her historical piece in the Camera of January 10, Silvia Pettem recounted news stories about how the population of Boulder nearly doubled in the 1950s. (Growth rate = 6.34% per year; Doubling time = 10.9 years)

To see what this means, we must look more closely.

First: In short periods of time modest annual growth rates give startlingly large increases. The sixty-year average (1950-2010) population growth rate of Boulder of 2.74% per year gives doubling in just 25.3 years!

Second: If the modest 1950s growth rate of 6.34% per year continued for another 60 years, Boulder’s population would increase by about 45 times to about 4.7 million people. Compare this to Los Angeles (3.8 Million) or New York City (8.4 Million).

Third: Population growth is destroying democracy in Boulder. In 1950 the population of Boulder was 19,999 people and there were 9 members on the City Council. Today Boulder’s population is over 100,000 and there are still 9 members on the Council. So there are now five times as many citizens per Council member as there were sixty years ago. As a consequence, we have only 20% (one fifth) as much democracy as we had in 1950.

Fourth: The rate of loss of democracy in Boulder is equal to the rate of Boulder’s population growth. In the 1950s both were about 6.34% per year.

Fifth: Population growth is destroying democracy nationally. The 2000 Census showed that the U.S. population grew 13.2% during the decade of the 1990s, but the number of members of the House of Representatives stayed fixed at 435. So after the 2000 Census all of the Congressional Districts had to be redrawn in order to increase the number of constituents in every House district by 13.2%. Democracy nationally declined by 13.2% in just ten years!

Our national democracy was founded over 200 years ago on the basis of about 57,000 people per representative. In 1990 the number of constituents per member of the House was about 600,000.

The 13.2% increase in the 1990s added about 100,000 new constituents to every House District bringing the total number of constituents per House member in 2000 to about 700,000! The 2010 Census will probably show another similar increase since 2000 which will raise the number of constituents per House member to around 800,000. Isaac Asimov was correct when he observed that “Democracy can not survive overpopulation.”

Sixth: Taxes have to rise to pay the public costs of population growth. Some years ago, using data from the 1970 Census, I plotted the per capita annual municipal taxes as a function of the size of the city. The graph showed that when you went from a city of one population in the U.S. to a city of twice the population, the per capita annual municipal taxes increased by between 20% and 25%. So the national data suggest that in the decade of the 1950s municipal annual taxes in Boulder had to rise by about 20% plus the rise due to ten years of inflation. So when we pay our taxes we can estimate that about 20% of the bill is to pay the public costs of the last doubling of our population.

Seventh: The obvious conclusion is that the population growth does not pay its own way. The book, “Better, Not Bigger” by Eben Fodor (1999) shows examples of this from all over the U.S. For instance, every new house in Oregon costs the Oregon taxpayers an average of over $25,000.

The Boston Tea Party of 1773 was a rebuke to the British Parliament by colonists who objected to being taxed without representation. Population growth is raising our taxes and diminishing our representation. Why don’t today’s “Tea Parties” address this issue?

Eighth: We wonder why the budget situation in Colorado is so dire. Politicians will recite a list of all of the contributing factors but they never give the principal reason. During the go-go growth of the 1990s the rapid population growth caused the tax money to roll in and be spent, but the need for tax-supported public infrastructure rolled in even faster. The population growth of the 1990s left the state near bankruptcy. Education funding will be just one of the many casualties of Colorado’s population growth of the 1990s.

There’s a time to grow. If an infant does not grow, it’s a tragedy. But for adults, continued growth is either obesity or cancer.

Albert A. Bartlett is a Professor Emeritus of Physics
At the University of Colorado in Boulder
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September 4, 2012 10:02pm
b1gdaddynz

Steve (North Shore) (3,026) Says:
September 4th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I am sure the ‘folk lightening’ viewers are outside with the phone, pad, webcam etc daddy
Normal folks will be watching ‘forked’ lightning.
Sorry about that chief

Steve, that was my point! I reposted a close-up post on Facebook and my comment was lamenting the standard of English used by our National Broadcaster. No I do not watch that shit either but I find it quite entertaining reading the comments of the uninformed masses! Do try to keep up 🙂
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September 5, 2012 6:22am
Manolo

Spaniards fleeing their country: http://www.cnbc.com/id/48889555
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September 5, 2012 6:41am
bhudson

lighting strike is ralitivly frequent cause of death on golf courses gods revenge for inventing such a frustrating game.

Which is why Lee Travino (IIRC) suggested hat you should hold a 1 iron in the air if caught in a storm on a golf course – as even God can’t hit a 1 iron
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