General Debate 3 September 2012

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Carlos

According to a U.K. columnist, Britain hasn’t shown enough white guilt yet. In fact he thinks they haven’t really even begun.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-hague-is-wrong-we-must-own-up-to-our-brutal-colonial-past-8101370.html

I’m one of those evil, white guys who doesn’t suffer from white guilt. What’s wrong with me?
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September 3, 2012 8:13am
Fletch

Yr not Left enough…lol

Read, ‘United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror’, by Jamie Glazov for the reasons why.

http://www.amazon.com/United-Hate-Romance-Tyranny-Terror/dp/1935071602/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346617034&sr=8-1&keywords=united+in+hate
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September 3, 2012 8:17am
Keeping Stock

Dear David Tua

Don’t do it; please. It’ll only end in tears.

Regards, KS

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/dont-do-it-david.html
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September 3, 2012 8:25am
hj

Actually Carlos, I think we have to be fair. I’m one who bangs on about nascent Chinese colonialism in NZ and we have to be able to see things from both sides. I didn’t think much about it until I read a Mombiot article about the mau mau rebeliion. I don’t think we have to take the blame personally however as the white guilt NZ crowd do, anymore than I take the blame for what Hanover did to it’s clients.
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September 3, 2012 8:37am
hj

Chris Trotter has been taking the heat from the left flank and seems to have changed his tune. Now supporting a Maori “proprietary interest”.

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/a-proprietary-interest.html
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September 3, 2012 8:43am
Longknives

Carlos- Me neither. Maori don’t seem to suffer much guilt for the atrocities they committed on each other (not to mention ones they committed on early European settlers)
I just don’t get why the ‘evil’ white man must be the only one to continually apologise for his past actions…
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September 3, 2012 8:51am
Paulus

Maori have no guilt – unless they can get money from it.
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September 3, 2012 8:53am
flipper

1. Does any right thinking person have any regard whatsoever for Mombiot’s rubbish , or anything published by the so called “Independent”.

2. I’m with Keeping on Tua.
Such rep as he remaing will be gone forever. Someone should remind Tua of the effect an idiotic comeback had on Joe Louis. But it was “the money”. Clearly Tua’s former manaement and the Pasifika religous leeches have had more than their fair share.
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September 3, 2012 8:57am
Longknives

Keeping Stock- After being bombarded with laughable “World Title shot” claims from the NZ media and hearing Tua himself spouting off that the Klitschkos were “running scared of him” following his knock out of that patsy Shane Cameron, I am rather looking forward to watching him getting pummelled by more journeymen…
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September 3, 2012 8:58am
hj

1. Does any right thinking person have any regard whatsoever for Mombiot’s rubbish , or anything published by the so called “Independent”.
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A right thinking person doesn’t reject something just because he doesn’t like it.
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September 3, 2012 9:02am
Carlos

It’s interesting. Most ethnic groups and civilizations have committed atrocities of varying degrees on other peoples throughout different points in history. Europeans just happened to be the best at it. If other civilizations could have achieved what European empire builders did, they would have.
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September 3, 2012 9:02am
barry

HJ – Chris Trotter is a flippant flag. He flaps in whichwever direction he thinks the wind is blowing – with the only objective being “Will this column sell well”.

I think his is the only blog that deletes any comment that is critical of him. He must be a weak character to be prepared to make comment but not tatke them..
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September 3, 2012 9:05am
Put it away

I have no guilt at all for things I didn’t do. Glad to annoy the left about it. I don’t expect any maori alive today to feel guilty about cannibalism and enslavement.
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September 3, 2012 9:05am
Longknives

flipper- Re the Joe Louis comparison, David Tua is unlikely to be getting into the ring with boxers the calibre of Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano..more likely another ‘Bum of the Month’ Tua special, though he can’t even seem to beat them anymore..
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September 3, 2012 9:07am
kowtow

carlos
One of the main reasons apologies are being sought is because there is usually a bit of a pay out with it.

Also it appears to be leftists who are keen on it.They can distance themselves from evil colonialism,imperialism etc as they weren’t around when the Empire was being built. If anything they precipitated is decline by encouraging Indian indepedence in the 20’s and 30’s. It was Labour that cut and run from the Palestine Mandate and who brought forward the grant of Indian independence by 1 year.

So lefties think they can gain friends domesticlly and internationally by kowtowing to the demands of third world despots,continuing to give awy borrowed money to the elites of Africa and Asia and all the while present themselves as “progresive”. (Sadly Cameron is little different)

Max Hastings has a good take on it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2174549/The-folly-judges-vulture-lawyers-nation-addicted-masochism.html

For the record I don’t suffer from white guilt either. In fact I take pride in the British Empire and it’s achievements.America was a part of that empire and it’s legacy has been long lasting and positive.
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September 3, 2012 9:10am
mister nui

“………. is the only blog that deletes any comment that is critical of him.”

Never been to Red Blert or the Stranded then?
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September 3, 2012 9:12am
tom hunter

I’m one of those evil, white guys who doesn’t suffer from white guilt. What’s wrong with me?

You don’t vote Labour or Green, that’s your problem. Perhaps it’s because of the upcoming US referendum on Barackus Pompus, but the whole “white guilt” schtick is becoming topical, as witness this very recent article – Behold, The Self-Hating White Person – which explains the key driver:

Since progressivism is largely a status game, in which people compete for social prestige by repeating a set of approved phrases and opinions to other status-seeking mandarins, it’s not surprising that some will go to sado-masochistic lengths to remain part of the alpha group. By now, the increasingly creepy tendency of using the word “white” as a glib insult has become well established in left-wing commentary.

The article points to a piece by some guy named Dunn, who described the recent GOP convention as a “Gathering of Pasty White People”:

“The Gathering of Pasty White People”: this is how Dunn prostitutes himself to the sociopaths and racists in his movement. As in the Soviet Union, one must continually prove oneself to be part of the correct crowd. Purity, you see, comes from ritual self-abasement, from flogging oneself in columns and blog posts and from swearing through gritted teeth that you love every minute of it.
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Among progressives, low-rent snark like “frighteningly white” is required to prove you are part of the in-crowd. Imagine being part of a movement that not only requires regular self-immolation, but demands that you enjoy it and hector those who bristle at such cheap and pathetic bullying. Be glad you’re not a part of it.

In short, it’s not anything as real as actual internal feelings of guilt, let alone intellectual discussion or debate. It’s simply another version of the same old argument-by-emotion that enables left-wing herding of the electorate nowadays.
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September 3, 2012 9:27am
hj

Can we trust the Greens on population?

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=10873

pretending to be for something when u aren’t is worse than opposing it
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September 3, 2012 9:34am
barry

mister nui
I guess you are technically right – but i had in mind people or organisations that thought were normal rational beings. I once thought Trotter was one such – but no more. And as almost everyone knows, those at red alert or the standard are seriously unhinged…….
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September 3, 2012 9:46am
kowtow

Two recent stories from the EU showing a disturbing trend in the growth of the state and it’s undemocratic powers.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-light-bulb-ban-illuminates-power-struggle-in-brussels-a-852931.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Orwellian-artificial-intelligence-plan-to-monitor-public-for-abnormal-behaviour.html
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September 3, 2012 9:50am
Brian Smaller

White guilt. Fuck them. Read this by Dinesh D’Souza. I was interested in the bit where he said that the problem with Africa wasn’t a half century of colonialism, but that there was only half a century of colonialism.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/680152/posts

Aside: Is it just me or is the GD thread today a link fest.
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September 3, 2012 9:55am
Keeping Stock

@ Longknives & flipper – I just hope that Tua watches the video from London of what Muhammed Ali has become; a shell of the great fighter and athlete that he used to be, simply because his brain has impacted his skull too often. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. Tua made the right move by retiring; any more fights he has are going to be against bums and journeymen, and the meagre amount of money he makes from them isn’t worth the potential for brain damage; or should that be “more brain damage”?
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September 3, 2012 10:00am
tom hunter

It’s a link-fest – and here’s another one: Victor Hanson writing about the sad state of his home state of California.

It has some of the same themes that others are discussing here, mainly the increasing problems that the left-wing face in dealing with the real world. Hanson begins his piece with a news story about a camping ground that has been closed because of vandals. But tellingly, the real horror the media focused on was that the gang graffiti had been sprayed on trees! He then moves on to discussing the responses of the people who built this: First, tokenism:

Unable to ensure that trees are not defaced? An ancient highway is not upgraded? Presto, zoom ahead to space-age high-speed rail, as if the conditions that created sprayed trees and mattresses lying among the pot-holes will not easily migrate to high-speed rail.

That is, within 10 years I have no doubt that the Fresno-Corcoran (“rail to nowhere”) link will be periodically closed due to stripped copper wire conduit, mattresses thrown over the fence onto the tracks, and the general inability of the state to service the system due to the sort of daily vandalism seen at our local campgrounds.

Second, escapism:

Don’t think Dream Act supporters in Santa Monica or Atherton wish to live in, or visit much, Parlier or Orange Cove. When CSU presidents retire from Central Valley campuses, they usually frown and head to Palm Springs or Monterey. Doctrinaire liberalism is predicated on the notion of escapism, that one has the means and know-how to ensure that children do not go to the schools whose curriculum and policies follow your own utopian thinking. Or that you make sure your “wind and solar and millions of green jobs” windmills are obstructing someone else’s view. Or that the first high-speed rail link connects Fresno with Charles Manson’s prison in Corcoran rather than cutting a wide swath through Bay Area suburbs.

I also liked the crack about “Medieval exemption” where, The mansions of an Al Gore, John Kerry, and John Edwards are expiated by their owners’ always louder liberal outrage.

The kicker of course is that it’s capitalism driving this in many respects:

There is a reason why 90% of professors — life-long tenure, summers off, guaranteed pay raises — are liberal and 70% of small-business people are conservative. The more removed one becomes from the elemental struggle to eat one more day — and never in the history of civilization have so many been so exempt from such existential worries — the more one enjoys the luxury of pondering more cosmic issues such as extending Social Security disability payments to youths suffering from attention deficit disorder or mandating gay history in state public schools or saving the smelt.
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Bill Gates and Warren Buffett can afford now to be liberal — an expensive indulgence — because in their early incarnations they were no-holds-barred capitalists who made lots of enemies conducting business without mercy and in search of pure profit. (In the 1980s and early 1990s Bill Gates’ Microsoft was cast as a Darth Vader enemy that had crushed the underdog, hip, and nearly insolvent Apple through piratical means.)
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September 3, 2012 10:17am
Pete George

Greens are claiming that a referendum is required for a mandate for asset sales (MOM share floats).

Apart from that being a complete reversal of their attitude to referenda since the smacking bill, that would be a fundamental change to how parliament operates. Shouldn’t that be decided be a referendum – a binding one, not a futile CIR one?

Referendum required for mandate?
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September 3, 2012 11:13am
publicwatchdog

Seen THIS Kiwibloggers? 🙂

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/outraged-finlayson-says-judge-critic-tony-molloy-should-quit-qc-rank#comment-550074

In my considered opinion it is the ‘fitness for duty’ of the Attorney-General, Chris Finlayson, that should be questioned?

What a disgraceful personal attack on Tony Molloy QC!

How is this disgraceful personal attack on Tony Molloy QC, not an absolute abuse of power by the ‘highest acting lawyer in the land’?

No doubt this outspokeness by a man of Tony Molloy’s callibre, ‘blowing the whistle’ against NZ judicial structural incompetence, would be arguably most ‘vexatious’ for an Attorney-General who is attempting to ‘defend the indefensible’ – but it doesn’t mean that what is being said is not the TRUTH and HONEST OPINION?

New Zealand – ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – with our ‘out-of-control’ judiciary – where our NZ Judges have no enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’; no Register of Percuniary Interests and where court proceedings are regularly not recorded?

Heaven help us.

Good on you Tony Molloy!

Keep up the GREAT work.

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 3, 2012 11:27am
Keeping Stock

Dear Penny

Where has “Dodgy John” gone? Or are you telling lies again?

Best, KS
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September 3, 2012 11:38am
Bob

The Maori Statutory Board wants all children taught Maori, why?. It’s a dying language spoken only by a small number of people. Those same people speak English day by day. To the best of my knowledge only a few old Maori speak it regularly. As a European I don’t know any Maori. I can’t buy a Maori newspaper or take out books in Maori of any interest from the library. I’m all in favour of having Maori available in schools for Maori children but not being compulsory for the rest. Sure learning another language is a good idea. Let it be a practical everyday language such as Japanese or Chinese or a European language.
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September 3, 2012 11:54am
MH

I’m not against learning maori or it being made compulsory,but what I do want is to be allowed to join my local marae even to be labelled as a token maori as long as i am accorded equal status in voting rights,I’m even prepared to become a republican as long as I have equal opportunities as Maori to housing,welfare benefits etc -on the same terms as guaranteed to my ancestors under the Treaty as British subjects. When will I be declared maori or indigenous or ingenuous?
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September 3, 2012 12:10pm
Manolo

The audacity of …. audacity (and incompetence).
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8526403/obama-romney-has-no-single-new-idea
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September 3, 2012 12:18pm
kowtow

carlos

back to your first comment and associated left wing shite. Here’s UK Labour again having a go. Tossers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/9516007/Queen-to-resist-dropping-Empire-from-CBEs.html

(link fiesta) 🙂
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September 3, 2012 12:51pm
HB

Hi all,
I was looking up the documentary aired a few years ago about the IWD plant in New Plymouth “Let us spray”
and found this
http://www.dioxinnz.com/Doco-let-us-spray.html

I was trying to play the clips but a few of the clips (I didn’t test them all) froze up during play and wouldn’t let me advance them. So I went to youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxzCoCRcHhQ
where it said that TV3 had been censored and had spent 3 years in court over it.
Can anyone point me to the background on this? Youtube had this link
http://paritutuiwd.hostzi.com/
but I wondered if any of you knew what has been going on?
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September 3, 2012 1:45pm
Griff

Its a right to be compelled!!
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/nzei-backs-compulsory-te-reo-schools/5/133585
NZEI Te Riu Roa says it strongly supports the compulsory teaching of Te Reo in all New Zealand primary schools.
National President, Ian Leckie says it has been a long-held view of NZEI Te Riu Roa that all New Zealand children should have the right to learn Te Reo.
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September 3, 2012 1:50pm
Hamnida

I believe there is a confusion between the role of central and local government in this debate.

Central government through the Ministry of Education and school boards is responsible for the New Zealand curriculum. It is not the role of local government to deliver public education.

Am I missing something?
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September 3, 2012 2:48pm
Pete George

No, you’re not missing anything there Hamnida, except perhaps that it could also be questioned whether or not it’s the role of local government to advocate on the curriculum.
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September 3, 2012 3:02pm
Viking2

Promiscuity, polygamy and the web

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/7601326/Promiscuity-polygamy-and-the-web
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September 3, 2012 3:24pm
thedavincimode

So, now Pistorius is grumpy at coming second at the disabled Olympics because competitors had longer blades and it “wasn’t fair”.

It had to come to this which really underscores the question: why was he allowed to race in the Olympics? Also, why didn’t he use longer blades at the Olympics? Would it have been unfair? And precisely how long to they have to be before using blades is “unfair”?
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September 3, 2012 4:02pm
Manolo

Colonisation and the white man are responsible: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8526601/teen-maori-suicides-on-the-rise
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September 3, 2012 4:32pm
Reid

People you know who like Texas LongHorns
http://copycateffect.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/Charlotte.html

Isn’t this great?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/02/tony-blair-iraq-war-desmond-tutu

More disinformation:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197053/National-Atomic-Testing-Museum-Area-51-UFO-secrets-revealed-Smithsonian-Institute-speakers.html
Why don’t they invite these guys?
In case you’re wondering Ancient Paintings of UFO’s from 200 to 15.000 years ago….

Former Chairman of the Republican National Committee on the purpose of national conventions and in particular, why the way they treated Ron Paul was weally weally stoopid [in part II]
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-30-2012/exclusive—michael-steele-extended-interview-pt–1

Rachel Corrie’s death and the recent Israeli court’s decision:
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anthony-lawson-the-israeli-judge-lied.html
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September 3, 2012 6:53pm
Viking2

There was this businessman who was getting ready to go on a long business trip. He knew his wife was a flirtatious sort, so he thought he’d try to get her something to keep her occupied while he was gone, because he didn’t much like the idea of her screwing someone else. So he went to a store that sold sex toys and started looking around. He thought about a life-sized sex doll, but that was too cl
ose to another man for him. He was browsing through the dildos, looking for something special to please his wife, and started talking to the old man behind the counter. He explained his situation. The old man said, “Well, I don’t really know of anything that will do the trick. We have vibrating dildos, special attachments, and so on, but I don’t know of anything that will keep her occupied for weeks, except…. and he stopped. “Except what?” the man asked. “Nothing, nothing.” “C’mon, tell me! I need something!” “Well, sir, I don’t usually mention this, but there is the ‘voodoo dick.'” “So what’s up with this voodoo dick?” he asked.

The old man reached under the counter, and pulled out an old wooden box carved with strange symbols. He opened it and there lay a very ordinary-looking dildo. The businessman laughed, and said “Big fucking deal. It looks like every other dildo in this shop!” The old man replied, “But you haven’t seen what it’ll do yet.” He pointed to a door and said “Voodoo dick, the door.” The voodoo dick rose out of its box, darted over to the door, and started screwing the keyhole. The whole door shook with the vibrations, and a crack developed down the middle. Before the door could split, the old man said “Voodoo dick, get back in your box!” The voodoo dick stopped, floated back to the box and lay there quiescent once more. “I’ll take it!” said the businessman. The old man resisted, saying it wasn’t for sale, but he finally surrendered to $700 in cash. The guy took it home to his wife, told her it was a special dildo and that to use it, all she had to do was say “Voodoo dick, my pussy.” He left for his trip satisfied that things would be fine while he was gone.

After he’d been gone a few days, the wife was unbearably horny. She thought of several people who would willingly satisfy her, but then she remembered the voodoo dick. She got it out, and said “Voodoo dick, my pussy!” The voodoo dick shot to her crotch and started pumping. It was great, like nothing she’d ever experienced before. After three orgasms, she decided she’d had enough, and tried to pull it out, but it was stuck in her, still thrusting. She tried and tried to get it out, but nothing worked. Her husband had forgotten to tell her how to shut it off. So she decided to go to the hospital to see if they could help. She put her clothes on, got in the car and started to drive to the hospital, quivering with every thrust of the dildo. On the way, another orgasm nearly made her swerve off the road, and she was pulled over by a policeman. He asked for her license, and then asked how much she’d had to drink. Gasping and twitching, she explained that she hadn’t been drinking, but that a voodoo dick was stuck in her pussy, and wouldn’t stop screwing.

The officer looked at her for a second, and then said “Yeah, right.. Voodoo dick, my ass!”
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September 3, 2012 7:48pm
Viking2

A well-known cardiologist died and was given an elaborate funeral. A huge heart covered in flowers stood behind the casket during the service.Following the eulogy, the heart opened, and the casket rolled inside. The heart then closed, sealing the doctor in the beautiful heart forever.One of the mourners burst into laughter. When confronted, he said “I’m sorry, I was just thinking of my own funeral –I’m a gynecologist.” The proctologist fainted
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September 3, 2012 7:49pm
nasska

A bloke is browsing in a pet shop and sees a parrot sitting on a little
perch. It doesn’t have any feet or legs.
The guy says aloud “Bloody hell!. I wonder what happened to this parrot?

The parrot says, “I was born this way. I’m a defective parrot”.

“Holy smoke”, the bloke replies. “You actually understood and answered me!”

“I got every word”, says the parrot. “I happen to be a highly intelligent, thoroughly educated bird.”

“Oh yeah?”, the bloke asks, “Then answer this – how do you hang onto your perch without any feet?”

“Well”, the parrot says, “this is very embarrassing but since you asked, I wrap my willy around this wooden bar like a little hook. You can’t see it because of my feathers.”

“Wow” says the guy, “you really can understand and speak English, can’t you!”

“Actually, I speak both Spanish and English and I can converse with reasonable competence on almost any topic: politics, religion, sports, physics, philosophy. I’m especially good at ornithology. You really ought to buy me. I’d be a great companion.”

The bloke looks at the £200 price tag. “Sorry, but I just can’t afford
that.”

“Pssssssst” says the parrot, “I’m defective, so the truth is,
nobody wants me cause I don’t have any feet. You can probably
get me for £20, just make the guy an offer!”

The bloke offers £20 and walks out with the parrot.

Weeks go by.

The parrot is sensational. He has a great sense of humour, he’s
interesting, he’s a great pal, he understands everything, he sympathises, and he’s insightful. The bloke is delighted.

One day the guy comes home from work and the parrot goes
“Psssssssssssst”
and motions him over with one wing. “I don’t know if I should tell you
this or not, but it’s about your wife and the postman.”

“What are you talking about?” asks the bloke.
“When the postman delivered today, your wife greeted him at the door in a sheer black nightie and kissed him passionately.”

“WHAT???” the bloke asks incredulously. “THEN what happened?”

“Well, then the postman came into the house and lifted up her nightie and began petting her all over” reported the parrot.

“My God!” the bloke exclaims. “Then what?”

“Then he lifted up the nighty, got down on his knees and began to lick her all over, starting with her breasts and slowly going down….

“WELL???” demands the frantic bloke, “THEN WHAT HAPPENED?”

“Fuck knows” say’s the parrot, I got a hard-on and fell off my perch.”
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September 3, 2012 8:06pm
Reid

Jokes aside, it would be nice if Israel didn’t trigger WWIII even if they want to, wouldn’t it.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/uk-israel-iran-pressure-idUKBRE87U0CC20120831

Or perhaps we should just support Iswael no matter what, just cos they’re “victims.”

Never forget, the govt of Isweal does not equal the people of Israel. Never forget to make that distinction, when considering their geopolitics.
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September 3, 2012 8:49pm
Reid

Further to previous:
http://world.time.com/2012/08/31/exclusive-u-s-scales-back-military-exercise-with-israel-affecting-potential-iran-strike/
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September 3, 2012 8:57pm
Reid

“So there’s a school there. We’d often provoke riots there. We’d be on patrol, walking in the village, bored, so we’d trash shops, find a detonator, beat someone to a pulp, you know how it is. Search, mess it all up. Say we’d want a riot? We’d go up to the windows of a mosque, smash the panes, throw in a stun grenade, make a big boom, then we’d get a riot.”

http://www.smh.com.au/world/israeli-soldiers-expose-plight-of-palestinian-children-20120826-24ueo.html

Clap clap. /sarcasim

Seriously, why do some of you support this?
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September 3, 2012 9:26pm
Sofia

Craig today defended using the quote, saying it was a reflection of what some voters thought.
”It is certainly the comment that got me thinking where John Key was on this issue and where the electorate was. People express themselves in different ways. I’ve heard lots of people express themselves on this debate in ways that I wouldn’t.”
Helensville was more conservative than other electorates, Craig conceded.

If Craig wants to say Key is gay, why doesn’t Craig just come ‘out’ with it?
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September 3, 2012 9:28pm
Griff

Twelve Italian priests were about to be ordained. The final test was for them to line up in a straight row, totally nude, in a garden while a sexy, beautiful, big breasted, nude model danced before them.
Each priest had a small bell attached to his dick, and they were told that anyone whose bell rang when she danced in front of them would not be ordained because he had not reached a state of spiritual purity. The beautiful model danced before the first candidate, with no reaction. She proceeded down the line with the same response from all the priests until she got to the final priest, Carlos. Poor Carlos. As she danced, his bell began to ring so loudly that it flew off, clattering across the ground and laid to rest in nearby foliage. Embarrassed, Carlos quickly scrambled to where the bell came to rest. He bent over to pick it up…
…..then all the other bells started to ring.
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September 3, 2012 9:37pm
Reid

And:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197076/Four-devout-British-Christians-fight-religious-freedom-landmark-case-European-Court-Human-Rights.html
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September 3, 2012 9:38pm
Griff

Reid are you missing luc?
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September 3, 2012 9:38pm
Reid

No, he was a mentalist Griff.

But I do wish someone else apart from me, would for once, call bullshit on Israel, when they in fact do it. Something that for some reason is quite impossible, for some people, for some reason.

Notwithstanding those very same people have no problems calling bullshit on other events like the “Water Rights.”

Isn’t that peculiar, but there we are.
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September 3, 2012 10:09pm
Griff

I was vaguely anti Israel in till I read The Haj by Leon Uris put the whole middle eastern thing into a more understandable perspective
another worthwhile comment is Dylan’s song Not that all Israel does is pure

Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
His enemies say he’s on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
He’s always on trial for just being born
He’s the neighborhood bully.
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September 3, 2012 11:16pm
Manolo

It’s about time this useless individual and true parasite is sent to jail: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7603828/Serial-protester-Benjamin-Easton-faces-jail-time
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September 4, 2012 6:39am
Manolo

How times have changed: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clinton-obama-few-years-ago-guy-would-have-been-carrying-our-bags_651489.html
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