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September 29, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 29 September 2012

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Harriet

I meant to add in that last post that suicide is fanaticism. For what? What is the great demand that you would give your life for? And kill a hundred or two fellow Muslims in the process?
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September 29, 2012 10:20pm
chiz

There is no hallucination Reid. Ahmadinajad, Khamanei and other “mad mullahs” are on record as to their beliefs. And Iran’s poor human rights record is also well recorded.
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September 29, 2012 10:24pm
tom hunter

Well, that was a pleasant Saturday night – one not spent on Kiwiblog that is. And what do I find upon returning the cyberworld ….?

Some people who purport to merely be criticising the Israeli government are doing so because they are anti-semitic.

Too true, and there’s a great example of that in this thread, where Luc Hansen is so obsessed, as usual, with the Jews that he unloads the following comment …

Michael Totten is a paid propagandist for Israel. It funds a lot of his work. In return, Israel is always the hero.

… about an article that Totten writes on Morocco. Rather than actually comment on the whole point and focus of the article – that Morocco is a Muslim Middle Eastern nation that has made progress on democracy, civil liberties and all-round modernity – Luc simply uses it as as a crutch to dump out all his standard, far-left diatribes and prejudices: Jewish ‘apartheid’, the evil USA, oil, and of course Islamophobia. Precisely the things that Morocco seems to not waste time obsessing about. There may be a lesson there.

It’s those sorts of unthinking, kneejerk, soundbites that have gained Luc the low reputation for debate that he has on this blog. He should have stayed in the front lines of protests, as in his good old pro-Ho Chi Minh days, where the only requirement is mindlessly bellowing slogans, banging the empty skin drum known as his head.
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September 29, 2012 10:50pm
Longknives

“people who are on your side of the debate don’t seem to understand Arabs and Iranians are also human”

Yep- That’s the problem. Humans by nature are violent,warmongering animals….
And at this particular point in time your beloved Muslims (the type that take great delight in blowing innocent people up..Durka Durka) are the most fucking violent,aggressive and dangerous people on the planet.
As far as I’m concerned they must be stopped, using any method necessary- much like the Nazis had to be stopped 70 years ago…
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September 29, 2012 11:13pm
my 2 cents

Bereal
That’s all Pete Does.
Asks “nice” questions.
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September 30, 2012 12:06am
my 2 cents

Reid (11,737) Says:
September 29th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Harriet, isn’t it curious then that Christians live peaceably in Iran alongside all those angry Muslims?

Reid you are joking aren’t you?
or are you pig stupid. Nah you’re not that.

No other faith is able to live peaceably in IRAN, they are abused daily and most would like to get out.
But then you know that don’t you, pillock.
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September 30, 2012 12:11am
graham

*Sigh*

Pete George, I see on your website you have written that the Conservative Party’s policy is ‘extreme’, whatever that means. You quote:

The Conservative Party will support the following:

– Clarifying the rights of citizens to defend themselves and their property, both inside and outside the home.
– The Party supports the “castle” doctrine under which persons who invade others’ homes or property have few rights, and law abiding citizens can – within some limits – do whatever they deem necessary to defend themselves or their property. Only in the rarest and most extreme circumstances should law abiding citizens find themselves facing charges arising out of situations where they have protected themselves against criminals threatening either themselves or their property. Those “rare and extreme circumstances” should be clearly stated and enshrined in legislation.

What’s extreme about this? It’s actually very difficult to criticise it properly, because they have stated that “the rights of citizens to defend themselves and their property” need to be clarified, and “Only in the rarest and most extreme circumstances should law abiding citizens find themselves facing charges arising out of situations where they have protected themselves against criminals …” and that those circumstances should be clearly stated in legislation.

So where’s the problem? Until you know what the Conservative Party defines as “rare and most extreme circumstances”, it’s rather difficult to criticise it.

Seems to me you’re trying to beat this up to support yourself.
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September 30, 2012 1:03am
Pete George

graham – it’s very easy to criticise such loose policy.

The problem is they have loosely defined it, leaving it up for interpretation. And some are interpretating it as an extreme policy, one that will allow virtual open slather – or open slaughter.

Their policy should make it clear what they actually intend, if they leave it open to interpretation it will be interpreted however people want to see it.

In any case unless they can get majority support for any of their policies they won’t get anywhere with them, especially if they do have extreme intentions.

Or are Conservatives deliberately appealing to certain constituencies without any intention of delivering what they want?
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September 30, 2012 1:17am
graham

Or are Conservatives deliberately appealing to certain constituencies without any intention of delivering what they want?

You mean like United Future?

Some of UF’s policies which they obviously hope will appeal to the “had-enough-of-the-Maori-gravy-train” folks:

– Establish a new national day on which all New Zealanders celebrate the unique gift we possess by being part of this nation. This will be separate from Waitangi Day, which will also be retained and celebrated.
– Commit to the goal of 2014 for the settlement of outstanding historical grievances, and resource the claims process to ensure that this becomes a reality.
– Ensure that settlements fit within the norms of a modern liberal democratic society – i.e. they should not give one class of citizens’ greater rights than others but should recognize the unique place that hapü, whänau and iwi have had in our country.

Do let me know when those policies get passed.
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September 30, 2012 1:41am
Manolo

This shameless liar could become the scapegoat: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81808.html
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September 30, 2012 7:43am
Pete George

graham, the reality for small parties is that IF they can get into a coalition arrangement they can only progress some of their policies, so they have to prioritise, and the policies they promote have to be compatible with a majority of parliament.

UF put a priority on getting a Super discussion going, which they have achieved.

Act put forward fiscal restraint legislation that looks like failing because neither the Maori Party nor UF will support it, as is their right. That’s the nature of coalition politics.

None of Act, UF or National promoted ToW policies.

The Conservative Party have a reasonable chance of making the threshold and getting into parliament, in part due to vague policies that appeal to some extreme voters, but I think they will struggle to get anywhere near sufficient support for their ‘castle doctrine’ policy.

If the Conservatives get a reasonable bloc of MPs and can form a coalition with National, and possible Act and UF, and if they promote ToW policies as a priority, they have more chance of success there.
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September 30, 2012 7:46am
Manolo

UnitedFuture’s “policy” can be surmised from the whorish Dunne’s motto: “It does not matter what as long as I’m made a Minister“.
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September 30, 2012 7:47am
Pete George

Manolo – Dunne is often criticised (usually by disgruntled supporters of failures) for being one of the most successful MPs of the last few decades. Isn’t that the prime aim of being in parliament, to be in a position to actually do things in Government?

Tell me which MPs you think don’t aspire to be ministers. And which parties don’t aspire to be in Government.
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September 30, 2012 8:00am
MH

An earlier post from Reid

Do you know BTW that one of the scenarios is that Iran already has nukes courtesy of the Chinese (notice that IF that’s true, they haven’t used them, have they, which kinda puts you Islamphobes out to lunch, doesn’t it). But IF Israel attacks it, Iran will use them. (Notice that they didn’t use them before, which kinda etc…) And there’s a limited nuclear exchange in the ME.

So what is it Reid,they do have the bomb that Afterdinnerjacket keeps saying they haven’t and are not pursuing? Isn’t that support for a bald faced liar? I’d rather he said we have the bomb,keep away. Why all the denial? Why all the secrecy,whom do you trust? The Wisconsin Project information given their bias etc and the UN reports are hard to brush off. Do you honestly believe that the fickle west will do anything more than send a Chamberlain-plot archetypal maid sympathiser to Iran who will no doubt return with a Peace in our time promise. Gives you time to dig a shelter and stock up on bags of Fuller’s earth.
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