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krazykiwi

Obese need help to kick addiction

Almost a third of the population could be addicted to food – yet struggling addicts received no support or funding

There was I thinking the cure to obesity was less food and more exercise… when really what’s needed is another state-funded program.
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September 20, 2012 8:06am
Pete George

Duncan Garner, like many, accept destructive politics as ‘an age old strategy isn’t it?’ He and they are right, but should we just accept continued political shit fighting?

http://yournz.org/2012/09/20/duncan-garner-destructive-politics-age-old-strategy-isnt-it/
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September 20, 2012 8:08am
Kevin

The so called obesity pandemic is yet another scam by WHO trough feeders.
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September 20, 2012 8:09am
Chuck Bird

The Rape of Christopher Stevens

Why do most of the MSM ignore this?

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/the-rape-of-christopher-stevens/
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September 20, 2012 8:18am
Yvette

Pete George – continued political shit fighting
Destructive, nasty, corrosive, contagious politics continues because it is allowed to continue, unquestioned and often aided and abetted by media. But that doesn’t make it right, nor does it make it good for our democracy.

At the moment the situation only shows the inability of the Opposition Parties to successfully land one on John Key.
The whole country now knows that Key places holding power – without all the krap of a by-election [which National would likely win] or a general election – above John Banks dishonesty, because that is also so well revealed it is fundamentally not a problem [if fucking around with something no one much cared about ever was a problem]

The only difficulty in both Banks’ and Key’s position is that if this dishonesty is expedient what else may be. But did we really rely on the idea that either was an Honest John anyway? Or, by definition, any other politician.

The Opposition would do much better to just drop this, as Megaload Dotcom suggests, and ask things like
• Why hold hui to discuss “greater than 10% voting rights” for any party other than the Crown’s 49%, when that breaks National’s Election promise?
• What actually is in the TPP?
• In view of directors who have gone to jail for poor prospectus information, who in Government is going to front and guarantee the share sale in Mighty River Power given the unpredictable iwi factor?
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September 20, 2012 8:31am
wreck1080

The cause of obesity , weak mindedness, is a personality trait and not a medical condition .
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September 20, 2012 8:33am
peterwn

Dom Post had photo (not on Stuff) of Mr Dotcom in Parliament without a visitor’s sticker. Is there one rule for the likes of him and another for ordinary mortals visiting Parliament. My inclination to go there is almost nil because of security requirements.
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September 20, 2012 8:38am
Lance

@wreck
just like alcoholism, drug addiction, smoking and gambling I guess

No nothing needs to be done there.

Fuckem all
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September 20, 2012 8:43am
Nostalgia-NZ

Yvette, well said.

If there can be a ‘blind’ rule for this, it is stacked against the facts and that’s contempt for the electorate. If JK chooses to see no evil while the public can, he is seen as essentially forsaking trust. As you say if we can’t trust him for what we see before us, then how can he be trusted on other issues of which there is not the same public knowledge. I’m glad you raised it in this way. This hasn’t been dealt with in the right way regardless of whether the opposition fail to make an impact on the issue. JK is saying that Banks can be trusted when the police report indicates he can’t.
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September 20, 2012 8:45am
Morgy

The announcement of the Christchurch school potential changes was probably clumsy BUT isn’t it a fact that these were proposals for discussion with the effected parties? If so, why the protests?
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September 20, 2012 8:48am
Paulus

Mr Dotcom is a special person.
He gave Banks money in the understanding, from his overseas background, that money buys politicians.
This did not work, but maybe it would have done under a Labour/Green person.
Hell hath no fury when Dotcom was scourned when he found himeself in jail with a lumpy mattress.
In other countries, where he is familiar with the power of money these kinds of things can be bought.
He picked the wrong politician here – this time.
Why am I losing sympathy for Mr Dotcom – he is becoming, like the Ridges, one of our new publicity seeking stars, presumably to get public and media support to his deportation case.
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September 20, 2012 8:50am
alex Masterley

I lost sympathy for Mr Dotcom some time ago.
His antics since bail was granted do him no credit.
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September 20, 2012 8:58am
Weihana

Chuck Bird (2,527) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 8:18 am

The Rape of Christopher Stevens

Why do most of the MSM ignore this?

Because it is unsubstantiated as far as I can see. Your link cites “tayyor.org” which cited the AFP as a source. The AFP has denied being the source of any such reports.

Presumably autopsy results will reveal what happened.
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September 20, 2012 9:00am
smttc

Meterea Turei is barking mad. Who knew?
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September 20, 2012 9:04am
wreck1080

@lance — that is the stupidest thing I’ve heard anyone say for a while.
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September 20, 2012 9:09am
Weihana

wreck1080 (2,395) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am

The cause of obesity , weak mindedness, is a personality trait and not a medical condition .

But then the same could be said for any addiction.

krazykiwi (8,380) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am

There was I thinking the cure to obesity was less food and more exercise… when really what’s needed is another state-funded program.

And indeed all that is needed for alcohol addiction is less alcohol… but what is the rational response to someone’s irrational behaviour? Ignore them and hope their problem won’t impact you or fund services which may help address their problem before it reaches you?

Does it not make sense to emphasize preventative medical care over ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff care? These people can’t, or won’t, help themselves and I’m not sure moral condemnation and righteous indignation will change it either. Perhaps programs designed to address the underlying factors affecting their behaviour will help and may save money down the line.
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September 20, 2012 9:10am
Lance

@wreck
not as dumb as the direction you were going in.

It was SARCASM in case you didn’t notice.
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September 20, 2012 9:13am
Manolo

The House on Wednesday passed Republicans’ own version of the Buffett Rule, which allows wealthy Americans to voluntarily pony up to reduce the deficit.

We should do the same here. How many do-gooders would take it up?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/19/house-passes-new-buffett-rule/
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September 20, 2012 9:25am
Weihana

Paulus (1,213) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 8:50 am

He gave Banks money in the understanding, from his overseas background, that money buys politicians.

If I had contributed a large amount of money to a politician I would expect an audience.

He picked the wrong politician here – this time.

Right… the principled and honest Mr Banks… his decision nothing at all to do with political considerations and the appearance of knowing about an “anonymous” donation. 🙂
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September 20, 2012 9:29am
EverlastingFire

Sound’s like a relative of Keith Locke? http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/7701312/Dear-white-New-Zealand
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September 20, 2012 9:31am
Kevin

Pathological obesity needs interevention but probably hasnt increased much.

Overweight is not a disease – it allowed our ancestors to survive and the colonisation of the pacific. The increase is mainly due to the aging [population and the redefintion of overweight/obesity.

Also the links between obesity and other diseases are not as strong as the troughers say. Type 2 diabetes is inceasing because of aging and setting the bar lower, and most cases are mild and the hysteria is not justified. Hopefuly the new glycolated haemoglobin test will fix the overdiagnosis problem.
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September 20, 2012 9:34am
Redbaiter

“Sound’s like a relative of Keith Locke?”

Yes, what a disgusting piece of writing and what a disgusting mind it reveals.
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September 20, 2012 9:43am
Kevin

“Sound’s like a relative of Keith Locke?”

Self induced Stockholm syndrome by proxy. He needs serious help, seriously.
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September 20, 2012 9:46am
Lance

@Kevin
Also there is a lot of hysteria around BMI. Many people are fit and muscular but are declared overweight or obese because of this ridiculously narrow definition.
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September 20, 2012 9:46am
david

Random question for today:
If Banks’ campaign manager had listed Kim.com (or his company the name of which was on the cheque and therefore the “official” donor) in the donations return, how much shit would have landed on Banks with accusations of “big money in politics” etc etc? Would it have blown over and become a non-event?
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September 20, 2012 9:48am
flipper

A bird brain academic from Hamilton (Waikato Uni) by the name of Gillespie wants (NZ Herald today) a legally enforcable code for politicians. I have a message for him, namely:

Mr Gillespie, PhD (?) ….
I am just a simple man, so I must have missed the law change.
Pray tell, when did the New Zealand Police gain the right to (KGB-like) determine guilt or innocence?
A cursory examination of the issues, Mr Gillespie, would disclose a double standard in respect of the
earlier “teapot” investigation/saga and Banks “best knowledge and belief etc”, would it not?.

Ergo, Mr Gillespie:
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?”
Who guards the guardians, or who checks the checkers?

Finally, Mr Gillespie, why stop at a code of conduct? Why not have every Parliamentary action/inaction court reviewable?
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September 20, 2012 9:50am
publicwatchdog

National are committed to ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local and central government?

Yep – the John Banks sorry saga proves that.

NOT.

So – no surprises that National are apparently not supporting the ‘opening’ of the Ports of Auckland books?

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/7FBF7A56-572F-4DA8-B44A-B3F2017492BB/217315/wstLocalGovernmentCouncilControlledOrganisationsAm.pdf

THE NEW ZEALAND ‘CORRUPTION REALITY INDEX’:

If New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2011 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/) – then shouldn’t we be the MOST ‘transparent’?

AN ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NZ:

1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.

3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central and local government level.

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.

7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.

9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.

10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.

11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.

12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.

13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ and ‘Code of Conduct for Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.

15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).

16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).

17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government level.

18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.
____________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009 Brisbane
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 Bangkok

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 20, 2012 9:50am
Lance

moonbat alert!!!
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September 20, 2012 9:51am
Manolo

Preparing for more violence from the savages: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012/09/19/france-ups-embassy-security-after-prophet-cartoons/57805422/1
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September 20, 2012 9:53am
graham

I wonder if Penny will EVER do that which she insists other people must do – answer questions? Only one way to find out … 🙂

Penny, as I’ve commented several times, I am in total agreement with two particular points of the Draft Action Plan. These points, specifically:

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

In all seriousness, I think the behaviour of some of our MPs over the past years has been quite disgusting. And I completely endorse the sentiment that those people who make the rules for everyone else, should be held accountable. I have found it quite bizarre that we allow people such as Hone Harawira into Parliament, when he openly states that he will not obey the laws of the land if he happens to disagree with them.

And I’m equally in agreement with the sentiment of point 5, extending this ‘Code of Conduct’ to Local Government elected representatives. So, presumably, somebody standing for public office who was found to have STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), would not be looked upon very favourably under this ‘Code of Conduct’. And as for somebody standing for public office who proceeded to VANDALISE AND DEFACE the billboards of her opponents during the campaign – that wouldn’t be very seemly, now would it?

So Penny – here’s my question. It’s a very simple one. Would YOU, Penny Bright, agree to abide by such a Code of Conduct if you were elected to any form of office? Very simple question, a yes or no will do fine, thank you.

Oh! … and, have a LOVELY day! 🙂
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September 20, 2012 10:00am
wat dabney

Manolo,

Re: Buffet Rule and voluntary taxation

It was revealing that, notwithstanding his talk about the rich having to pay more tax, when Buffet gave away his own excess billions he mostly certainly didn’t give them to the government to be pissed away by self-serving politicians buying the votes of special-interest groups. Instead he gave them to Bill Gates’ private foundation where the money will actually serve its intended philanthropic purpose and help genuinely poor people.

Anyway, next time a Labour or Green MP calls for higher taxation, just point out that the current rates are minimum levels. Ask them how much they voluntarily paid over and above those minimums. And ask them if they make use of trusts to keep their taxes low.
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September 20, 2012 10:05am
kowtow

Dear White NZ….

NZ is a multicultural society? I don’t remember voting for that. And just what is “multiculturalism”?

The use of the Romanian gypsies in the photo is interesting. They are as a group some of the worst cross border criminals and welfare bludgers in the EU,and have been described as a crime wave on legs. I wouldn’t want any to be able to come to NZ to “diversify” our proud Anglo Saxon culture.

Obesity epidemic/addiction.
When I were a young lad these issues (not alcholism) were described as “habits”. I believe most of these addictions are habits.
Fat bastards are habitually stuffing their faces ,have no personal discipline and don’t exercise.
But if one can medicalise the problem one can get funding.Follow the money.
The west is addicted to spending taxpayer money and that’s why we’re broke.
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September 20, 2012 10:06am
iMP

BRACE BRACE…French cartoonists have published some crude images of Mohammed naked. This’ll not go down well ad will swell the protests on Friday, especially in France. As a cartoonist myself, I sup[port them, good on em, standing up for the West’s right to freedom of expression and liberty (even if it is crude). Are we open societies or not? Where is America? Apologising to the mob.

You can see the cartoons here: http://conzervative.wordpress.com
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September 20, 2012 10:15am
Kevin

1. Cap total government income at 20% GDP.
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September 20, 2012 10:20am
Brian Smaller

@iMP – I certainly hope they go troppo. Anything that mocks them and makes fun of them is good.
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September 20, 2012 10:27am
wtfunz

Peter Locke -Dear White New Zealand ! Should be locked away for even thinking this drivel, let alone going to print.

Keep an eye out for this idiot and hopefully he’s wearing a sign of some sort around his neck warning everyone.
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September 20, 2012 10:43am
nasska

What the hell is is it about religion that reduces one’s skin thickness until it can be measured in points of a micron?

Precious oversensitive bastards!
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September 20, 2012 10:49am
Brian Smaller

@nasska – it is something to wonder at. Deities can apparently feel mocked. They create fucking universes but get worried about the smallest things. Or at least they share the same insecurities as their followers.
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September 20, 2012 10:54am
Elaycee

Penny…
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009 Brisbane
Attendee: Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference 2010 Bangkok

I wonder whether she had any problem filling in the ‘convictions’ box when she entered Australia… and Thailand. 😀

Elaycee,
Attendee: Ruakokopatuna Dog Trials 1981. (2 were guilty; 1 ran away before sentencing)
Attendee: SIS Recruitment and Orientation Day, (Location withheld) 1985.
http://www.save.skunks.from.exploitation.outfit
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September 20, 2012 10:56am
TEO

http://m.smh.com.au/national/gay-marriage-bill-defeated-20120919-266a8.html

Sensible Aussies.
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September 20, 2012 10:57am
Redbaiter

“Precious oversensitive bastards!”

Yep, all that beheading by vicious Christian mobs over feces on a picture of the Virgin Mary, really appalling.
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September 20, 2012 10:58am
kowtow

I’m disturbed that the MSM portray the Charlie Hebdo cartoons as “mockery” , “inflamatory” etcThey also talk of the Prophet Mohammed rather than the Muslim or Islamic prophet Mohammed.They are ascribing a status to him that I have noticed in recent years is often no longer given to Christianity.

The Charlie cartoons are set in the context of the riots that have been incited by Muslims clerics as a deliberate response to the movie and events in Germany.
As such the publication is legitimate in terms of western notions of free speech. Any re action is entirely the responsibility of the perpetrators of the reaction.

A quote from a Charlie H editor
“It is officially allowed for Ch hebdo to attack the Catholic far right but we cannot poke fun at fundamentalist Islamists. It shows the climate-everyone is driven by fear,and that is exactly what this small handfulof extremistswho do not represent anyone want-to make everyone afraid,to shutus all in a cave.”

Extremists everywhere are getting bolder and more criminal in their responses to ordinary everyday life in the west and our governments seem to be failing to stand up to it.
I’m no fan of lady Gaga but look at this,as the title says an extremist twofer.
http://ironicsurrealism.com/2012/09/19/with-her-fur-burka-lady-gaga-has-enraged-both-muslims-peta/
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September 20, 2012 10:59am
kowtow

nasska says What the hell is it about religion that ………Once again focussing on his favourite bigotry.

Think about it. You once lost your head for treason,you could be hanged in England for calling for support of Germany in WW2.
While the death penalty no longer applies we have a modern secular treason. It has to do with race,gender,health,equality etc
People are being prosecuted across the western world for the new secular treason against supposed human rights violations.

Wilders,Bolt,Steyn,Galiano,Bardot.Authors gaoled and can’t travel due to “Holocaust denial”, plain packaging of tobacco products,limitations on fizzy drink sizes ,parents criminalised for disciplining their children……..

Don’t blame all religion for the perpetual outrage of the Islamic mob. Thin skinned? We need to reassess the whole human rights industry. The reaction of western governments to these latest Muslim outbursts will also be along the lines of human rights “respect” for religious minorities…….. a respect not accorded to indigenous Christians.
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September 20, 2012 11:18am
Redbaiter

WHERE’S THE FRIDAY PHOTO?

None today and it was taken down last Friday.

Don’t tell me the obsessive Secular Progressive with the narcissistic name was sensitive to criticism after all.

When he said on so many occasions he didn’t care, or it made him laugh.

Just goes to show don’t it….
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September 20, 2012 11:33am
Lazybum

GDP growth in Q2 was 0.6%. Not a bad result for Planet Key.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10834585
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September 20, 2012 11:40am
nasska

kowtow

If not believing in sky fairies of all shapes & hues amounts to bigotry then so be it. Fact remains that if mankind could find sufficient backbone & guts to kick the priests & imams for touch the world would be a better place for all.

Other than that I go along with most of what you stated. Human rights has become the new religion & as such is deserving of the same respect & veneration I have for the old faiths, ie none. The whackos who run the Islamic franchise are not slow to see the opportunities afforded by the “rights” brigade.
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September 20, 2012 11:48am
nasska

Redbaiter you stupid old fool….look at the calender…it’s Thursday!
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September 20, 2012 11:49am
hj

David Round:

“We get the governments we deserve. Our political class is unimpressive. On Treaty matters they are all either spineless appeasers (National, Labour, United Future, Greens) insincere opportunists (New Zealand First) or greedy bullies (Maori, Mana). As for John Banks…well, dear me. But on no other matters are they any or much better. Our prosperity and our economic prospects have been going down the gurgler since the 1970s, and no party has any idea what to do about it. National, Labour, Greens ~ do you ~ do they themselves ~ seriously believe for a second that they have any answer? They are unimpressive; and yet, they do no more than represent an increasingly unimpressive and hopeless people.

Do I have the answer? Well, it would be a strange thing if I did where no-one else has any idea, but I suggest that the answer has to arise out of our own character and attitudes as a nation. Our crisis is one of character. We are in the situation we are in because of the sort of people we are. Any solution must spring out of our own energy and faith in ourselves, out of a shared understanding of the world and of our hopes for the future, and out of a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood which impels us to care for each other but which also impels those who are cared for to desire that they pull their weight in striving for the common good. ‘Without vision the people perish.’ Most of all, we must have faith in ourselves. We must not believe that the world owes us a living, and that a saviour lurks somewhere ready to help us, be that saviour an over-mighty state, an ideology of capitalism or communism, or rescue from overseas, be it by overseas ‘investment and asset sales or just continued immigration. We must rely on ourselves, and we must stop snarling at each other, and get up and do something. This is more easily said than done, of course. I remember an observation that ‘the trouble with saying ‘you’ve just got to snap out of it’ is that the sort of people you say it to are the sort of people who can’t’! But there is no other way.”
http://www.nzcpr.com/guest306.htm
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September 20, 2012 12:04pm
kowtow

To go back to the theme of human rights abuse. The UN and other supra national bodies will drive this through and then our stupid parliamentarians will embody it in national legislation.Plenty of precedent.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/arab-league-oic-european-union-and-african-union-formulating-international-law-criminalizing-critici.html

Human rights law, Bills of Rights etc do not create new freedoms they actually remove ancient ones.The most important being freedom of conscience and expression,then they remove the other ones slowly but surely.

Dangerous times.
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September 20, 2012 12:11pm
Redbaiter

“Redbaiter you stupid old fool….look at the calender…it’s Thursday!”

Is it really?

Oh well, that’s OK then, no doubt the Friday photo will be back tomorrow.

Can’t wait.
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September 20, 2012 12:21pm
Falafulu Fisi

This is what military training in Papakura in the 1950s looked like.
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September 20, 2012 12:26pm
Viking2

Paulus (1,213) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 8:50 am

Mr Dotcom is a special person.
He gave Banks money in the understanding, from his overseas background, that money buys politicians.
This did not work, but maybe it would have done under a Labour/Green person.
Hell hath no fury when Dotcom was scourned when he found himeself in jail with a lumpy mattress.
In other countries, where he is familiar with the power of money these kinds of things can be bought.
He picked the wrong politician here – this time.
Why am I losing sympathy for Mr Dotcom – he is becoming, like the Ridges, one of our new publicity seeking stars, presumably to get public and media support to his deportation case.

AHH. whyis it that a large collection of people appear unable to either read or listen.

Dotcom refuted that infomation in front of TV yesterday. And as for Banks, he has always been a slimy prick. Why would you not have recognized that years ago.
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September 20, 2012 12:56pm
Viking2

Lazybum (239) Says:
September 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am

GDP growth in Q2 was 0.6%. Not a bad result for Planet Key.

Takes fuck all when its coming from fuck all.

Like pushing a bus from inch 1 to inch 2.
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September 20, 2012 12:58pm
Rufus

Why, o why are we telling the world what our SAS is up to?

Lunacy.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7706754/SAS-sent-to-Afghanistan-for-counterstrike-intelligence
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September 20, 2012 1:06pm
kowtow

Agree rufus why tell,there’s so much of this engaging with the media shit these days.
And don’t doubt there’s any shortage of “New Zealanders” or “Australians” who relay this news to their brothers back in Shitfullistan.

I’ve seen documentaries where the details of military and security operations against Muslim terrorists are given in some detail! What would Churchill have said?

Oh and since when did an army need “legal advice” to kill the fucking enemy?FFS.
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September 20, 2012 1:20pm
Manolo

Weep for the wimpy NZ Post (led by the despicable Sir Michael Cullen): http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/7702203/Low-letterbox-deemed-unsafe-for-posties
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September 20, 2012 2:28pm
joana

The editor of the French magazine said..”I live under French law , not koranic law.” To the credit of the French , they haven’t seized copies of the mag or banned the spread of the cartoons..Very brave people involved..I agree dangerous times indeed.
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September 20, 2012 4:26pm
Weihana

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7706772/Dotcom-in-court-for-documents-appeal

The US Government was trying to use an extradition process in which Kim Dotcom had “both hands tied behind his back” due to withholding of evidence, the Court of Appeal has been told.

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The Government says the process it has opted to use – record of the case – requires only a statement summarising the allegations. The statement was presumed to be reliable unless a district court judge says it is inadequate and invites the Government to add to it.

I can’t find anywhere in the Extradition Act where this presumption is made. Section 25 of the Act merely states that a “record of case” may be admitted as evidence. Nowhere does the Act appear to limit the persons right to natural justice and to have access to the evidence necessary for a fair hearing to take place.

But Dotcom’s lawyer, Paul Davison, QC, said under New Zealand law a person facing extradition was entitled to rely on guarantees of justice. The extradition process was comparable to deciding whether there was enough evidence to justify putting an accused on trial for an offence committed in New Zealand.

He is right of course. Section 22(1)(a) the Act states:

…the court has the same jurisdiction and powers, and must conduct the proceedings in the same manner, as if the proceedings were a committal hearing of an information for an indictable offence alleged to have been committed within the jurisdiction of New Zealand…

As far as I’m aware a defendant at a committal hearing has a right to access the prosecution’s evidence for the purposes of a fair hearing. Without such access how can a defendant properly participate in the committal hearing? Similarly how can they properly participate in the extradition hearing?

Seems the United States just wants to be able to hand us a note and we simply hand over whomever they demand. How can a court properly satisfy itself that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial if there is no avenue to review that evidence?
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September 20, 2012 4:33pm
Kevin

What an embarrassing double standard – dumbasses banning titty picks.
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September 20, 2012 6:19pm
bereal

Just a small point.

A point you never see raised.
A point i for one would like to hear argued if i am wrong.

The trailer for, ‘ Innocence of Muslims’ is a FACTUAL representation of the life of Mohammed.

Where is any muslim, any muslim lover, or any self hating Kiwi that can point to any part of it that
is an untrue representation ?
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September 20, 2012 6:35pm
Reid

bereal for your benefit I repeat my post from yesterday’s GD:

I’m afraid one will never understand Muslims unless and until one realises they’re human first, muslim second.

Frankly I’m at a loss to understand why many, many people in the west even need that basic truth explicated, and yet they do.

I know you’re discerning enough to know the difference and this comment isn’t directed at you.

But such sentiment is unhelpful, in exactly the same way that laughing at niggers is unhelpful.

Isn’t it interesting BTW that many many western people today would truly believe in their heart such a thought to be an anaethema and yet in the very same thought process they completely overlook all of that and go and toss over the ragheads.

That’s what propaganda does. It veils that simple logic by fooling you into pretending that four legs is good, and two legs is bad.

Edit: to the PC police, I used the n word to make a point, not gratuitously, in case one can’t tell the diff.
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September 20, 2012 6:41pm
bereal

Dear Reid,

Now i did read that post of yours yesterday. But.

What on earth, in your mind, is its relevance to my effort @ 6.35 ?
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September 20, 2012 6:52pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers!

FYI – the latest ‘Open Letter’ to the Not-So-Honourable John Banks – ACT MP for Epsom.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

20 September 2012

To the ‘Honourable’ John Banks
MP for Epsom

Dear John,

This is a follow-up letter to check whether the ‘Open Letter’ hand-delivered to your Electorate Office (27 Gillies Ave) on Tuesday 18 September 2012, has been brought to your attention?

You will note that I also emailed the following correspondence to you on the same day.

I do understand that your memory is sometimes not as reliable as members of the voting public might expect of someone holding a Ministerial warrant, such as yourself, but I am keen to get a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer to my request, that YOU please be the Member of Parliament to present the following petition to the House, at your earliest available opportunity:

“That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the findings of the Police investigation into the allegations that the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO, submitted a false donation return in respect to the Auckland Council Mayoral election 2010 – that it was not unlawful for the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO to sign and transmit his candidate’s declaration of expenses without first personally checking and verifying that the information provided (by another party) was accurate.”

You must admit that it does seem rather extraordinary for it apparently to be lawful for a candidate to be able to sign off a declaration of expenses without first double-checking its accuracy?

Can you please confirm whether you are prepared to present this petition – YES or NO?

If YES, I will organise how best get the signed copies to you without breaching the two year trespass notice from 27 Gillies Ave Newmarket which I incurred, arising from my arrest for wilful trespass at your electorate office on 18 June 2012.

If NO – I will continue to seek the assistance of other MPs from other parties.

Perhaps Prime Minister John Key, the MP for Helensville, may be prepared to assist on this matter – if you can’t /won’t?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 20, 2012 7:00pm
Reid

I want to so much to believe I am part of a nation innocent and wronged but truthfully I have made my bed with a pack of thugs.

Understandable sentiment, but mistakenly directed. Most Americans have no, repeat no, repeat no idea what and who their leaders are. Even some of the leaders don’t know. But the ones at the top, the very top, are all like that, no question.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:20
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September 20, 2012 7:05pm
bereal

By the way Reid, nice edit to conclude your 6.41

i say that as one who copped 50 demerits for a quote i posted from John Gotti that i “forgotti” to
enclose in quotation marks.
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September 20, 2012 7:07pm
Griff

Early one morning, a mother went in to wake up her son. “Wake up, son. It’s time to go to school!”
“But why, Mom? I don’t want to go.”
“Give me two reasons why you don’t want to go.”
“Well, the kids hate me for one, and the teachers hate me, too!”
“Oh, that’s no reason not to go to school. Come on now and get ready.”
“Give me two reasons why I should go to school.”
“Well, for one, you’re 52 years old. And for another, you’re the Principal!”
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September 20, 2012 7:09pm
Reid

What on earth, in your mind, is its relevance to my effort @ 6.35 ?

One can pick and choose characteristics bereal, but a person is a whole entity, not just a small portion that one chooses to highlight. I have no idea who Muhammed was, I’ve never studied him, I’m just not interested. But if you wish to comment on him as a person in the way you did, then it seems to me one should therefore be aware of all of him, not just a little bit of him. And if he was just what you say, I seriously doubt he would have formed the basis of an entire religion. I may be wrong, that may be all he was. Apologies to you if that is the case.
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September 20, 2012 7:13pm
bereal

Jeez Reid,
When you are in a hole stop digging.

No need to apologise. You often do have a point, however in this case you have let yourself down.

But i still pose the same question as at 6.52

As they say in parliament, “Can you address the question ?”

So far your argument is as cogent as, “Yes, but my car has four wheels.”
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September 20, 2012 7:28pm
kowtow

The world’s MSM are making a big deal of Charlie Hebdo and insult to Mohammed.
The cover shows Mo and an orthodox Jew.

While some ultra Orthodox Jews are pretty shitty to Christians and non observant Israelis in Israel I don’t think they’re the ones who’ll be throwing the firebombs after Friday inflamatory sermons,I mean, prayers down at the world’s mosques.

The editor has made the point that of all their issues only 3 have been problematic and guess who was involved in all 3?

http://www.charliehebdo.fr/la-une
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September 20, 2012 7:40pm
nasska

A bloke walked into a shop that had a sex machine. He tried it. It worked.
He went in again the next day and used the machine again, but this time his penis was bitten off.

He said to the owner of the shop, ”Oi mate! Your machine just bit my knob off!”

”Oops, I must have put the dog in the wrong way round this morning.”
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September 20, 2012 8:01pm
Griff

There was a little girl and her mother walking through the park one day and they saw two teenagers having sex on a bench.

The little girl says, “Mummy, what are they doing?” The mother hesitates then quickly replies, “Ummm they are making cakes.”

The next day they are at a zoo and the little girl sees two monkeys having sex. Again she asks her mother what they are doing and her mother replies with the same response, “Making cakes.”

The next day the girl says to her mother, “Mummy, you and Daddy were making cakes in the lounge last night, eh?” Shocked, the mother asks, “How do you know?”

She says, “Because I licked the icing off the sofa.”
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September 20, 2012 8:03pm
nasska

Lassie became obsolete the day Timmy got a mobile phone.

“Dad? Yeah, I’ve fallen down the fucking well again.”
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September 20, 2012 8:10pm
Viking2

Only in Australia.

http://screencast.com/t/OeKhcHezCE
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September 20, 2012 8:59pm
Viking2

And I see what hasn’t worked for 20 years is gong to be continued.

Head: Wall: bang bang.

New policy settings for the Reserve Bank will include monitoring asset prices and a more refined inflation target, but there will be little fundamental change.

“I believe that the existing policy targets agreement has served New Zealand well and there are benefits in maintaining consistency in the agreement,” Finance Minister Bill English said in a statement.

So he’s going to tell the banks where to spend their money. Dumb fuck, thicker than 2 short banks.
Once more we will continue into the high interest rate regime that the Reserve seems to think does something. Well it does it sends us broke and onto benefits.
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September 20, 2012 9:07pm
graham

I … I’m shocked.

Penny Bright – who INSISTS people answer her questions and that officials do what she tells them – won’t answer even one question.

Penny Bright – who is just so insistent that we must have transparency – refuses to answer ANY questions put to her. I asked her a simple question at 10:00 am, about her OWN code of conduct that she is pushing – and she hasn’t answered!

Who woulda thunk it?
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September 20, 2012 9:45pm
Fletch

A CNBC poll shows that 76% of respondents agree with Romney’s statement about the 47% –

Do you agree with Romney’s statement?
Yes — 76%
No — 22%
Not Sure — 2%

Total Votes: 46853

Not a Scientific Survey
Results may not total 100% due to rounding

Puts a whole new slant on DPF’s post yesterday then, and the folks on here who were saying it would be Romney’s downfall. Seems like the race just got a whole lot more interesting…

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49066507/
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September 20, 2012 10:26pm
Tauhei Notts

Griff at 8.03
BRILLIANT!
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September 20, 2012 11:06pm
Viking2

Alls well in the art world then.

Te Papa bought some of the most expensive artworks, including Gordon Walters’ Painting no 7, for $433,000, and Michael Illingworth’s As Adam and Eve, for $234,500.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10835488

Where are Labour and the Greens today?
Feed the poor.
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