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September 16, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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bereal

Thing is when you engage with conspiracy theorists that is what they thrive on.

Same as talking to a member of the flat earth society at high school when you were 14 years old.

Why bother knocking your head into a brick wall ?

As long as you offer up genuine argument, they are the masters of, “Yes but.”

That’s what turns them on.

Right Reid ?

Check out Reid @ 11.55

Justifies his whole point by referring to, “this guy” FFS

Get a grip Reid.
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September 16, 2012 6:13pm
gravedodger

Massive swing in the almost empty cranial cavity of Hamnida’s skull when the last two braincells tried to mount the swing seat at the same time.
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September 16, 2012 6:24pm
Harriet

Sodomy and cunnilingus are matters of the arts: They are personal tastes.They are not acts of procreation.

Marriage fosters procreation:The natural union between a male and female that ensures the natural order of the human species.Infants are parented by their natural parents to become adults of the next generation.

Marriage is a nest and nests have a meaning and a purpose.

What’s the meaning and the purpose of a ‘gay nest’?
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September 16, 2012 6:34pm
Reid

Justifies his whole point by referring to, “this guy” FFS

bereal, it’s simple facts, nothing complicated, nothing even arguable. Just “there we are.” I don’t have to justify anything or even explain anything because the facts are there, you can choose to do what you want with them, just don’t blame me for them because I didn’t invent them and if such facts give people a sore tummy then I can’t help that, that’s not my fault, they don’t give me a sore tummy so if it happens to you, blame your cognitive dissonance and get with the program, banish that nasty old cognitive dissonance forever and ever.
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September 16, 2012 6:36pm
nasska

There are flow charts for every purpose.

Ref: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christianpiatt/2012/08/homosexuality-and-the-bible-a-flowchart/
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September 16, 2012 6:48pm
Fletch

nasska, I’d would add/change that flow chart –

Q: Because the New Testament says so —> Indeed it does. It clearly makes mention of homosexuality in Romans when it says a man and man or a woman and a woman should not sleep together as a man and a woman do; that this is both shameful and unnatural.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

~ Romans 1:26-27

Don’t think you can be clearer than that.
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September 16, 2012 6:59pm
bereal

nice one Reid.

you just proved my point.

By the way, who was the, “this guy ” that you base your whole joke argument on ?

What was his name ?
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September 16, 2012 7:00pm
nasska

Fletch

It all seems very complicated. 🙂
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September 16, 2012 7:02pm
Fletch

Jesus also says in Matthew 19 –

And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

He did not say anything about a man leaving his mother and father to be joined to another man, or a woman leaving to be joined with another woman. Really, I don’t think he needed to say anything about it because it is so obvious.
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September 16, 2012 7:03pm
mara

bereal 4.15 is correct. Further, the muslim “bother” that occurred recently as close as in Australia will soon happen here. I frequently drive through Mt Roskill in Auckland and was gob-smacked when I first witnessed the exit from the local mosque after “prayers.” There were so many Muslim men wandering out that I parked to watch the numbers and the spectacle. There were hundreds. I wonder what the sermon was about. Perhaps is was about peace and tolerance. Perhaps that is a kune-kune I see flying across the sky outside my window. Kiwis are generally so innocent, naive and trusting; they are about to be disabused of this. I also expect our government to help Gillard out with her boat people numbers problem soon by importing a fair number of these undocumented, passport-free, Islam believers. Everything arrives in NZ, eventually. It’s all politics in the end. Innit.
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September 16, 2012 7:07pm
Sofia

Iwi Leaders Group receives unanimous support
Friday, 14 September 2012, 5:04 pm

Media release from Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group

Iwi Leaders Group receives unanimous support to continue freshwater talks
At today’s meeting of the Iwi Chairs Forum at Turangawaewae Marae more than 45 iwi organisations unanimously passed formal resolutions endorsing the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group and its continued engagement with the Crown.

The call for kotahitanga arising from the previous day’s water hui was acknowledged.
However, it was made very clear by the assembled iwi that the mechanisms for working together are matters for each iwi to consider and discuss with their respective hapu and could not be imposed on iwi in some generic way.

“Two things were made clear by the iwi present today”, said Sir Tumu te Heuheu, Chair of the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group. “First, it is for each iwi to determine how they wish to advance the issue of their rights and interests in fresh water and it is not a case of one size fits all. Secondly, our current engagement with the Crown must continue given the important decisions that are likely to be made by the Crown over the next three to six months in relation to a new freshwater framework for Aotearoa.”
…

The Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group was formed in 2007 to advance the interests of all iwi in relation to fresh water through direct engagement with the Crown. The Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group comprises the leaders of Ngai Tahu, Whanganui, Waikato-Tainui, Te Arawa and Tuwharetoa and reports regularly to all iwi through the national Iwi Chairs Forum.

Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group: Sir Tumu te Heuheu, Tuwharetoa (Chair); Mark Solomon, Ngai Tahu; Toby Curtis, Te Arawa; Tom Roa, Waikato-Tainui; Brendon Puketapu, Whanganui.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1209/S00203/iwi-leaders-group-receives-unanimous-support.htm

Why hold last Thursday’s national hui, if a special group of representatives formed five years ago is already handling the issue?
Or, is the country just being fucked around by these people?
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September 16, 2012 7:15pm
Kevin

Why do we even debate this bs from iwi scammers.

A real government would go to the polls.

Flow chart : can’t govern with this bull shit -> dissolve parliament –> election platform – repeal foreshore and seabed,legislation , vest ownership of foreshore, seabed, air, wind, fire and water in crown, all other settlements to be done by 2014 no new claims whatsoever .

Result – govern with a 70% majority.

Simple. Not difficult.
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September 16, 2012 7:46pm
nasska

This is a specially formulated diet designed to help WOMEN cope with the stress that builds during the day

BREAKFAST
1 Grapefruit
1 slice wholemeal toast
1 cup skimmed milk

LUNCH
1 small portion lean, steamed chicken with a cup of spinach
1 cup herbal tea
1 biscuit

AFTERNOON TEA
The rest of the biscuits from the packet
1 tub of Gino Ginelli ice cream with chocolate topping

DINNER
4 bottles of wine (red or white)
2 loaves garlic bread
1 family size Supreme pizza
3 chocolate bars

LATE NIGHT SNACK
1 whole cheesecake (eaten directly from the freezer)

REMEMBER :
‘stressed’ spelled backwards is ‘desserts’
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September 16, 2012 8:00pm
Griff

Its rule by stealth National trys to sell the assets that it campaigned on and the moari are vetoing it by threat of Wiatangi Tribunal
Democratic process is being destroyed by stoneage gimme
If you don’t support this bullshit who are you going to vote for? national sucks the moari partys dick,Acts dead in the water, labour are useless , the greens are as far stone age as mana, Wpeters party has no integrity , CCCP does not even come into it if you are an atheist , that only leaves possum head….meh
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September 16, 2012 8:03pm
dime

“Actually “true” muslims are the handful of murdering cunts. The majority of them are half-weight dongs. Like the the majority of christians who ignore the lesser-known awfulness of the bible.” – Doug Stanhope
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September 16, 2012 8:14pm
Kevin

Yes no one speaks for us. It’s a disgusting state of affairs and I don’t know what to do about It.

What i was meaning was, if national was a real party they would go to the country on a platform like that.

But national went from a platform of getting rid of the iwi elite seats to being ruled by the iwi within a few months.

I guess,the,keys, fletchers, grahams, fiddlesons etc and iwi just have so much money now that democracy is impossible.

We need parties to stop arguing about trivia like marriage meet in the centre and deal with these real policies.

If they don’t the only comfort you can have is to chuckle with your children when you join them in Aussie that there is nothing left to govern.
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September 16, 2012 8:19pm
James Stephenson

Why hold last Thursday’s national hui, if a special group of representatives formed five years ago is already handling the issue?
Or, is the country just being fucked around by these people?

Didn’t we cover this a few days ago? In the midst of this extortion of the taxpayer, we also have a power struggle between competing teams of grifters claiming to speak for “all Maori”. The Maori Council on the one hand, with the “King” and the Mana Party and the Iwi Leaders group, supported by the Maori Party on the other.
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September 16, 2012 8:20pm
Griff

Trotters take on the direction of national and the mad crimp and ansell
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/chris-trotter/7493861/Will-this-election-include-a-campaign-on-race
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September 16, 2012 8:22pm
mara

If you want to see real footage of the religion of peace, check out barenakedislam.com You will never see this stuff on msm because it’s too bloody horrible and not pc. But it is islamic reality.
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September 16, 2012 8:23pm
Kevin

The wealthy national elite are so far in bed with the iwistocracy that they want a racist constitution. They have shown their true colours – brash couldnt stand,up to them – and short of a miracle it won’t be national to save us from this nightmare.
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September 16, 2012 8:36pm
Manolo

Why hold last Thursday’s national hui, if a special group of representatives formed five years ago is already handling the issue?

Because the greedy Stone Agers have this piss-weak government by the balls (or what passes for them).
Little chance that Key and his National Party minions will ever stand up to them.
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September 16, 2012 8:38pm
rakuraku

Thank God for the Maori Freshwater Iwi Group I would prefer the Maori’s in control of our water supply rather than the Chinese or an American or Australian Corporate.
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September 16, 2012 8:44pm
Kevin

Yes perhaps doug graham can help them put a water and wind prospectus together as part of his community service. I’d definitely rather trust home grown corporates.
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September 16, 2012 8:48pm
Sofia

Well, just to sort of press the point
Why are we going through a five week charade of ‘consultation’ to appease the Waitangi Tribunal, when this Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group was formed in 2007 and so consultation has presumably been going on for five years?

And Taupo National Electorate skite sheet tells us about the $220 million being spent on a co-governance scheme for the Waikato River – $50 million more than the ‘generous’ settlement last week with Tuhoe.

Are there so many different bodies that no one body really knows what is happening, or are we just getting shagged as a nation of dummies?
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September 16, 2012 8:51pm
Manolo

Are there so many different bodies that no one body really knows what is happening, or are we just getting shagged as a nation of dummies?
Both. The brocracy is exploiting the gravy train to the maximum, filling its pockets with our money.
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September 16, 2012 8:55pm
Kevin

Yes both.just look at the number of iwi corporation charitable trusts.
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September 16, 2012 8:59pm
Griff

They all add a tax on the country we pay for these groups to give the moari perspective. we are paying more and more and its not just the settlements. Want to cut a tree down consult the IWI pay, build a house consult the IWI pay, build a road consult the IWI pay, national park consult with the IWI pay, clean up the river pay the IWI. It is a hidden tax for the benefit of a few tribal leaders. We are paying for the moari council that is shafting the elected government ffs
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September 16, 2012 9:02pm
bereal

i will not link to the site because it is so disgusting, but you can find it if u want. Utube, sharia justice.
sharia justice… when you cut off a hand you start at the fingers first chop,, then the palm, then the wrist, then the
forearm.
It takes about five chops to do the job.

Praise be to allah the magnificent.

The mercifull.

Comming to a suburb close to you.
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September 16, 2012 9:21pm
Steve (North Shore)

The Moari bullshit is becoming a bit like “MONOPOLY”
You get ‘Park Lane’ and Mayfair’ and just sit and wait. You will win by extortion – especially if you have “FREE PARKING” rules
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September 16, 2012 9:31pm
Kevin

They were GIVEN parklane and mayfair and their competitors pay taxes. Even after all settlements are finished new “claims”will be “settled” by “readjustment” of govt -iwi contracts.
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September 16, 2012 9:56pm
Sofia

Banks claims he signed the form without reading it and did not knowingly breach the law.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7686184/Embarrassed-Epsom-won-t-pick-Banks-again

John Key is refusing to read the police report on John Banks because he knows it will show that all the evidence points to the fact his minister has lied to him, says Labour Leader David Shearer.
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/pms-refusal-read-banks-police-024728925.html

More than a million New Zealand adults are being held back because they lack essential literacy and numeracy skills, the tertiary education minister says …
The Minister said the improvement of adult literacy would have a positive impact on the wider economy.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3922718/Minister-blasts-poor-Kiwi-literacy-rates
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September 16, 2012 10:03pm
Manolo

Another Maori royal after a buck or two: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7687731/Plan-to-sell-railway-station-for-casino

What an honest man!
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