General Debate 12 September 2012

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Lance

Ostapchuk’s coach did it!
Convenient that.
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September 12, 2012 8:05am
Viking2

Yep he laid her on the couch (ahhh) and put it down her throat. (the vision is horrible).
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September 12, 2012 8:07am
Viking2

Frosty morning.

Oh and our economy is improving. Will as long as Bill can borrow and hope.
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September 12, 2012 8:08am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

The Government’s changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme could cost $670 million more than estimated and will have little impact on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, the parliamentary commissioner for the environment, Jan Wright, will tell MPs today.
She says the changes – which include locking in large subsidies to polluters – will stop New Zealand reaching the Government’s own target of halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
Previous changes weakened the ETS, but the latest changes “render it almost toothless”, Dr Wright says.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7656570/Emissions-trading-nearly-toothless

So New Zealanders pay, theoretically, $150.85 each for absolutely nothing.
Except to look like fuckwits to the rest of the world – great achievement to save the planet
And would this money offset one of the asset sales?
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September 12, 2012 8:13am
Viking2

but, but ,but Nick will be back to put it right.
Idots in an asylum
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September 12, 2012 8:28am
Lance

Ahh Viking2
You have caused me to visualize that which should not be visualized.
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September 12, 2012 8:34am
tom hunter

… which include locking in large subsidies to polluters

Do you truly understand what this means National? The further this ETS insanity continues the more ammunition you will be providing to your left-wing opponents. Instead of framing the whole thing as Labour-Greens extracting more money from the private sector for no purpose and thereby hurting those little children indirectly, you’ve allowed them to play the whole denying-meals-to-hungry-children-with-huge-liquid-eyes-to-pay-for-rich-pricks argument.

You’ve even managed to allow the left to play on the right-wing field of economics because they can claim they’re against subsidies. Never mind that the ‘subsidies’ arise in the first place because of penalties imposed by the government. Brilliant. Truly, truly brilliant – on the part of the Left.

Yet even as it slowly kills you, you still won’t boot the scheme that your political opponents introduced.
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September 12, 2012 8:46am
Longknives

New Zealand Cricket team- Winning one T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ match DOES NOT ‘redeem’ your woeful performances in the Test arena (Despite what the gushing NZ sports media says)..
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September 12, 2012 8:53am
Longknives

NBC showing their true colours..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/nbc-today-911-moment-silence-kardashian-interview_n_1873969.html
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September 12, 2012 8:55am
The Scorned

Seen Rudmans warmist BS dig at sceptics in today’s horrid….? The lies are stunning in their boldness……he claims the sceptics (deniers) have been afraid to publish their case and be peer reviewed….cough…..give me a break idiot….its the exact reverse. The warmists have been ducking and diving….and threatening for years….
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September 12, 2012 8:55am
Pete George

Government: beneficiaries will have to ensure their kids get education and health checks or their benefits cut in half (after three warnings).

Labour: if a benefit is cut, the children the Government says it’s trying to help could end up worse off.

Metiria Turei: it’s unfair that the financial penalty would apply solely to beneficiaries and not other parents.
(It’s hard to cut something you’re not giving to non-beneficiaries).

Peter Dunne: it’s a fundamentally good idea for people receiving a benefit to have to meet certain obligations for their children.

Mixed feelings on beneficiary ‘crackdown’.

Labour and Greens are for better health and education for poor people’s kids but against trying to push them into getting better health and education for their kids. They diss the stick approach and think more and more carrots will solve everything?
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September 12, 2012 9:01am
dime

Jacinda Adern on ZB this morning. the nerd who represents the “young” as she approaches middle age..

She seems to be upset at financial penalties for beneficiaries. Almost as though she doesn’t think a financial penalty will change behaviour. Funny, cause she seems to think it does when its for a pro-left wing cause. those fucking love jacking the price on things they don’t like or wanting to ping companies etc

It always comes back to “wont someone think of the children??”. I bet thats not the mantra when they finally get back in and jack our taxes. they wont think “hey, that dude earns 100k a year, gets no assistance and pays $650 a week towards a mortgage. fuck him, hes rich.”

She also needs to drop the over expressive radio voice.

and finally – what the fuck is “meth metal”??????

Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal.. but fucked if i can name you a band from the “meth metal” genre. maybe theres a new sub genre coming out of some communist country she visits..
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September 12, 2012 9:04am
Scott

Couldn’t agree more with Tom Hunter and puzzled in Eketahuna. Now we are spending $670 million on this emissions trading scheme. And DPF helpfully reports on the Tuhoe settlement which apparently will cost $170 million in additional money, taking the grand total up to something like $1 billion.

I just think it is good to see where our taxes are going? Emissions trading and endless rounds of Maori settlements. Obviously this week the National government is dedicating themselves to appeasing environmentalists and Maori radicals. Last week it was gays.

But don’t worry, white heterosexual males. Let’s just stand around with our begging bowls out and no doubt in due time the government will give us a hand out as well.

Could this government be more clueless about financial priorities? No wonder we are going broke. Can the taxpayer afford any more of this expensive nonsense?
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September 12, 2012 9:22am
Luke Mutton

Jesus Fucking Christ – As if Sarah Palin wasn’t enough, just how much dumber can American Republican voters be?

When Republicans were asked “Who is more responsible for bin Laden’s death, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama,” 47% answered “Not Sure,” and another 15% chose Romney.

Is their hatred for Obama that strong that they must invent lies to convince themselves he truly is “The Nigger in the woodpile”?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf

And these idiots vote.
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September 12, 2012 9:33am
kowtow

Scott
yesterday the gummint said they were happy to pay $900 million over the past years to consultants and to continue to.
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September 12, 2012 9:36am
Pete George

Maori Party fights back…

“I want to come to the House to specifically address some of the rubbish that came out of the mouth of the first speaker in this debate, Clayton Cosgrove, who was speculating that the Māori Party would be boycotting the national hui on Thursday. For Mr Cosgrove I want to set the record straight.”

https://www.facebook.com/notes/te-ururoa-flavell-mp/urgent-debates-state-owned-energy-companies-sales-tuesday-11-sept-te-ururoa-flav/485168164834223
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September 12, 2012 9:51am
OneTrack

Luke Mutton@9:33 – the correct answer to the question is George W Bush.
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September 12, 2012 9:56am
All_on_Red

Luke

Speaking of stupid.
“three little words- made in the USA”
“ban corporate profits”

Have you seen those ones?
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September 12, 2012 9:56am
Peter

Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal

Dime forgot vegetarian progressive grindcore. Bad Dime 🙂
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September 12, 2012 9:59am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Leaked drafts of the TPP agreement, Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders said, “outline U.S. aggressive intellectual property demands that that could severely restrict access to affordable, life-saving medicines for millions of people. … The U.S. is asking countries to create new, enhanced and longer patent and data monopoly protections for multinational pharmaceutical companies so they can keep competitors out of the market and charge higher prices for longer.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/trans-pacific-partnership-agreement_b_1871710.html?utm_hp_ref=world

The TPP sounds really really good. I wonder why Japan have not yet joined in?
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September 12, 2012 9:59am
dime

Luke – some idiots vote for the green party and labour too. whats one to do..
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September 12, 2012 10:00am
Brian Smaller

Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal

What about Viking Metal – Amon Amarth?
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September 12, 2012 10:18am
Manolo

What’s wrong with a bit of fearmongering?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10833412
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September 12, 2012 10:31am
kowtow

Newly “liberated” Egyptians and Libyans show their appreciation for American assistance,on a significant anniversary.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html
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September 12, 2012 10:35am
Longknives

Dime- Longknives is ‘Old School’ in his metal tastes- Sabbath, Priest and Maiden… the original ‘Masters of Metal’.
Longknives also liked a bit of Megadeth in High School but could never understand the hype around Metallica.
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September 12, 2012 10:38am
Tauhei Notts

It’s General Debate so I can relate an anecdote.
I took the missus to WINZ on Monday to apply for the New Zealand Superannuation. It would be a long story to explain why it was unusually complicated, but the appointment took an hour.
That hour gave us plenty of time to observe their “clientele”, as they like to refer to beneficiaries as clients.
Upon our departure my wife asked; “how much Koha did you give?”
“Koha?”
“Yes, you culturally insensitive pig. One must always leave koha when one visits a marae.”
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September 12, 2012 10:43am
Longknives

What’s the connection with Adern and Metal? Is she a fan? (I’d have picked her as more of a Goldenhorse or acoustic Dave Dobbyn person..)
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September 12, 2012 10:44am
dime

longknives – she was asking joyce about his musical tastes and then said “you dont like meth metal?”. shes an idiot.

Metallica – the hype is justified 😀

imho the best 3 metal albums of all time: Metallica – master of puppets, Megadeth – rust in peace and Pantera – vulgar display of power.
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September 12, 2012 10:53am
Brian Smaller

@dime and Longknives.

You may want to review the Periodic Table of Metal. Here is a copy.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/272/e/e/periodic_table_of_metal_B_by_IlookingYou.jpg
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September 12, 2012 11:06am
Lucia Maria

Luke Mutton at 9:33am

May the Lord have mercy on you.
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September 12, 2012 11:18am
Elaycee

three little words- made in the USA”

National Standards at work again…..

Heh…. 😀
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September 12, 2012 11:21am
iMP

US EMBASSIES UNDER ATTACK IN EGYPT & LIBYA on 9/11 (NZ Wed 11am). 1 American killed.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com
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September 12, 2012 11:25am
Griff

Led zep and all metal since owes its creation to the most influential band no one has heard of
The yard birds
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September 12, 2012 11:28am
dime

most people know the Yard birds? id hope?!
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September 12, 2012 11:35am
joana

All the spending mentioned above and no one can find 15 million for the ambulance service. Who is going to decide what is a minor emergency?
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September 12, 2012 11:39am
nasska

…”May the Lord have mercy on you.”…..

Never mind Lamb Chops. You’ve got the blessing….you’re in the clear now! 🙂
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September 12, 2012 11:42am
James Stephenson

Periodic Table of Metal

Am I the only one that thinks that these sorts of things should be left to someone with an understanding of science? I mean, surely Ozzy is an isotope of Black Sabbath?
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September 12, 2012 11:43am
Griff

Some do. Most don’t get the depth and influence of its members and can not even name the lead guitarists. by your reply you can
after all any band that had god as one of its member yet could chose to use alternatives was pretty good
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September 12, 2012 11:47am
TheContrarian

Speaking of music:
http://haveyouheard.it/the-best-music-infographics/
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September 12, 2012 11:48am
Lance

NZ spends more on education than any other OECD country.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10833499

Bastard penny pinching gummit…. no…. wait

Must be a vast right wing conspiracy of lies and paid off journos
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September 12, 2012 11:52am
James Stephenson

after all any band that had god as one of its member yet could chose to use alternatives was pretty good

Clapton left because their commercial direction was offending his Blues purism. For mine, there were too many line-ups in too few years to really class the Yardbirds as “a band”.
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September 12, 2012 11:53am
Pete George

Online polls are notoriously unreliable and unscientific, and are often easy to stack votes on. But a poll on NZ Herald’s flash revamped website yesterday would have to be a Worst poll candidate.
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September 12, 2012 12:06pm
Longknives

“imho the best 3 metal albums of all time: Metallica – master of puppets, Megadeth – rust in peace and Pantera – vulgar display of power.”

All good albums but British Steel would eat them alive…
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September 12, 2012 12:07pm
dime

Dime has never been a Clapton fan. Dont get me wrong, the guy is an amazing player. Just doesnt do it for me!
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September 12, 2012 12:09pm
Longknives

I’d like to think every music fan has heard of the Yardbirds- but given the state of the music industry today nothing would surprise me…
I remember watching a NZ music show once and alleged musician ‘P Money’ had never heard of The Clash…Whatever happened to that guy? Laying low for any particular reason??
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September 12, 2012 12:12pm
dime

I cant hand Judas Priest. Hate high pitch vocals like that.

Youre too old school for me!

Not a big Maiden fan either. I went to the auckland show and just wanted to see him try a different vocal range heh
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September 12, 2012 12:12pm
Longknives

“Dime has never been a Clapton fan”

Neither has Longknives. Especially when you consider that Clapton’s most famous guitar solo was in fact played by the late,great Duane Allman…
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September 12, 2012 12:14pm
James Stephenson

@dime – not a massive Clapton fan either, but Disraeli Gears should be in everyone’s record collection. Heh, “record collection” how old-school is that?

Oh, and Diamond Head were the best band of the NWOBHM era…
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September 12, 2012 12:18pm
Griff

Griff would say as dime is a metal fan he would not be surprised by this
funny thing most end up as fans of the music period when they where born not of there cohort as a teenager weird

Then Griff plays Nirvana Dylan and Cash on heavy rotate continuously for last ten years 🙁
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September 12, 2012 12:20pm
Longknives

James- There is concert footage floating around of Diamond Head, Metallica and Megadeth recently playing”Am I evil”?

Pretty cool…
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September 12, 2012 12:21pm
bhudson

All good albums but British Steel would eat them alive…

They all stand on the shoulders of Black Sabbath and Motörhead
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September 12, 2012 12:22pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers!

Gum away on this one 😉

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-local-authorities-spend-record-23-bln-second-quarter-generating-deficit-145m-bd-128117#comment-581282

Where EXACTLY are rates monies being spent?

Where’s the TRANSPARENCY?

Why aren’t ‘the books’ OPEN?

When are the NAMES of the consultants/contractors; SCOPE; TERM and VALUE of the thousands of contracts which provide long-term corporate welfare dependency for thousands of corporate welfare beneficiaries with their private snouts in our local government public trough, going to be made available for public scrutiny?

Where’s the LONG overdue review of corporate welfare at local (and central) government level?

When is this National/ACT Government going to start WAR on the undeserving RICH?

ie: These long-term corporate welfare beneficiaries who are providing core local government services for private profit which used to be provided ‘in-house’ under the ‘public service’ model on a non-profit-making basis?

If the private ‘contracting-out’ model is SO ‘efficient’ – then how come RATES KEEP GOING UP – NOT DOWN?

How many billion$ could be saved at both central and local government level by CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS and CONSULTANTS?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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September 12, 2012 12:25pm
Longknives

Not a metal fan then Penny?
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September 12, 2012 12:27pm
Manolo

They all stand on the shoulders of Black Sabbath and Motörhead

You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.
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September 12, 2012 12:31pm
James Stephenson

and Motörhead

Now you’re talking. The epicentre of my music taste is probably somewhere between The Clash and Motorhead.
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September 12, 2012 12:35pm
bhudson

You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.

It can be tempered with the dulcet tones, lyrical wizardry and musical majesty of Bob Dylan
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September 12, 2012 12:37pm
Longknives

“You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.”

Ever heard Black Sabbath Changes? Or Motorhead’s 1916? Two of the most powerful and beautiful rock songs ever…(unless the piano ‘frays you nerves’ Manolo…)
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September 12, 2012 12:38pm
kowtow

Aotearoans,see this from Museum of New Zealand. I found it through a half page ad in my newspaper. How much is this bold new vision costing us?
Museums used to be about education and history.
Now it’s about propaganda….”changing,hearts minds,lives”.To “be an agent for change”
To “uphold and grow the spiritual…….” so how does Virgin in a Condom fit in that vision?
And they want to save the planet.

There’s something for everyone here.Enjoy.

http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/AboutUs/Vision/Pages/Strategicpriorities.aspx
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September 12, 2012 12:41pm
Griff

then how come RATES KEEP GOING UP
Because the stupid socialist fws spend our rates money on feel good stupid pointless rubbish more than on the services we pay them for
Where I am no footpaths no curbs no street lighting. There is 3 pretty flags flying on poles that cost 30,000dollers an unused large park that is the source of weed seeds for the whole area and a public toilet with florobulbs on a timer so its unusable unless you wait for ten minutes for the bulbs warm up
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September 12, 2012 12:41pm
Viking2

Len Brown wants youth employment inquiry

Wednesday, 12, Sep, 2012 9:51AM

Auckland’s mayor wants an inquiry into how to keep young people in training and employment.

Len Brown says more than one in 10 young New Zealanders are either not in a job, not in school, or not in training.

He says there are already organisations which assist, like the Auckland Council and Tindall Foundation’s youth transition scheme which tracks and supports young people from school into work, training or further study.

But Mr Brown thinks we can do more.

He believes a national strategy that links different agencies would be a good start.

Easy as Len. Tell your lefty mates to remove the wages barrier. Not hard at all.
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September 12, 2012 12:52pm
James Stephenson

He believes a national strategy that links different agencies would be a good start

Oi Len! Why the fuck is it any of your business, as a local politician?
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September 12, 2012 12:57pm
Manolo

I reckon we have paid several times that sum for Ure:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7656491/Beneficiaries-cost-130-000-over-lifetime
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September 12, 2012 12:58pm
Elaycee

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone….

Mystery solved?

Rumour has it that the ‘dodgy john’ that is constantly being referenced, is actually a punter from a knock shop in Carterton who legged it before he settled his debt with the hooker. The ‘dodgy john’ was last seen bolting past the Taratahi Pub – en route [ahem] to Masterton.

But I’m at a loss to understand why Penny Not-So would want to keep referring to this though…. [gulp] 😯
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September 12, 2012 1:13pm
TheContrarian

Best Metal Albums?

In no particular order

Persistence of Time – Anthrax
Powerslave – iron Maiden (though Number of the Beast is up there too)
Ministry – The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
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September 12, 2012 2:03pm
Pete George

Young Nats have a laugh at Young Labour – it’s really quite funny:

“Internal conflicts plague Young Labour in Dunedin.”
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September 12, 2012 2:06pm
Griff

PG 😆 deck chairs on the titanic!
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September 12, 2012 2:24pm
Longknives

Manolo- Whatever happened to Philu? Did he finally get excommunicated from Kiwiblog??
Surely he hasn’t gone out and found himself a job…
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September 12, 2012 2:56pm
Monique Watson

American Housewife take on 9-11:

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/09/country-clubbing-on-9-11.html
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September 12, 2012 3:05pm
Manolo

@Longknives, I suspect Ure had a road to Damascus moment, saw the light, and finding great pleasure in an abstemious and drug-free lifestyle embarked on a trip as a Catholic missionary to peaceful Sudan.

We shall all wish him good luck.
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September 12, 2012 3:22pm
dime

Dime had a night drinking piss with Lemmy a few years ago 😀 hes a good guy. he has this roadie called butch whos been with him for years. just a good bastard.

My buddy opened for motorhead a while back too.

Had a great night out drinking with Micky Dee (motorhead drummer) in Melbourne. a GREAT night!
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September 12, 2012 3:31pm
chiz

Phil u appears to have chosen to voluntarily refrain from commenting here. A quick check of his blog, however, shows that it still active, and that he is still reading kiwiblog – he is picking up links from here.
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September 12, 2012 3:35pm
chiz

The GalaxyZoo project has, since 2007, been using members of the public to help classify pictures of galaxies. Over the years they have found a number of galaxies that vaguely resemble the shapes of the letters of the alphabet. Now they have launched a website that lets you write messages in galaxy-letters. Now you can literally write your own name in the stars.
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September 12, 2012 4:22pm
Griff

Val the winner kiwi gold
Disgraced drug cheat Nadzeya Ostapchuk has returned her tainted Olympic gold medal and it will be presented to London 2012 champion Valerie Adams in a public ceremony at The Cloud in downtown Auckland next Wednesday night.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7660991/Adams-to-receive-gold-medal-on-Sept-19
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September 12, 2012 4:23pm
Reid

New website, like Wiki, allows edits, and isn’t an encyclopaedia but rather for specific issues.

http://main.issuevet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
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September 12, 2012 6:16pm
Kea

I think the term is “caught” not disgraced Griff. The people who stuffed this up were her doctors. I came across this during today’s regular reads:

http://www.skepticblog.org/2012/09/11/the-hidden-price-of-immoral-acts/#more-18905

Don’t think your precious AB’s are not doing this people.
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September 12, 2012 6:27pm
Reid

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/
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September 12, 2012 6:35pm
Griff

Straight cut and paste from the news story more to celebrate Val than anything else
have you seen before and after photos of the wochemicalman Val lost to
Reminded me of the cccp weightlifters of the pre Berlin wall
As for thugby not even remotely interested always appeared to be some gay arse sniffing ritual to me
Your link made a interesting read professional+ chemical sport will come
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September 12, 2012 6:43pm
Kea

I agree Griff. I don’t get off on watching a bunch of blokes (dressed in little shorts and tight shirts) groping each other in a paddock. It is a bit like Broke Back Mountain, what they do is their business, but I am not going to sit and watch them do it.

Redbaiter, and other knowledgeable and well considered folk, have studied this and found homos are all communists. Given the Kiwi love of rugby, this would go a long way to explaining the countries political leanings.
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September 12, 2012 6:53pm
Reid

Obama’s a Muslim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

That explains a lot, doesn’t it.
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September 12, 2012 7:02pm
Griff

Red channels McCarthy everyone accept those who comment on true blow is a commie
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September 12, 2012 7:15pm
cha

Obama’s a Muslim.

Looks like some voters don’t care.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/11/us-usa-election-poll-bible-belt-idUSBRE88A05H20120911
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September 12, 2012 8:00pm
hj

Saudi oil well dries up

If Citigroup is right, Saudi Arabia will cease to be an oil exporter by 2030, far sooner than previously thought.
A 150-page report by Heidy Rehman on the Saudi petrochemical industry should be sober reading for those who think that shale oil and gas have solved our global energy crunch.
I don’t wish to knock shale. It is a Godsend and should be encouraged with utmost vigour and dispatch in Britain. But it is for now plugging holes in global supply rather than covering the future shortfall as the industrial revolutions of Asia mature.
The basic point – common to other Gulf oil producers – is that Saudi local consumption is rocketing. Residential use makes up 50pc of demand, and over two thirds of that is air-conditioning.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100019812/saudi-oil-well-dries-up/
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September 12, 2012 8:21pm
cha

Marvellous.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/how-to-streak-at-a-sporting-event-and-get-away-wit
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September 12, 2012 8:36pm
Megatron

Watched ten minutes of ‘The Ridges’, out of curiosity.
What a fucking joke. Total airheads.
If a rogue mouse is the best they can come up with God help us.
It goes beyond cringe inducing. Pathetic.
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September 12, 2012 8:38pm
RF

“The Ridges”. Head down toilet and still puking after 5 mts of those total airheads. I would be banned for 12 months if I expressed my true feelings. And we pay towards this crap. Just because they are loose as gooses they get a TV show. &”?<%#?@$:
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September 12, 2012 8:49pm
graham

Megatron, RF: “Curiosity” is just about the only excuse I can accept. And I certainly wasn’t that curious.

Ten minutes is a lot though. I once watched “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” out of curiosity. I think four minutes was all I could stomach.
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September 12, 2012 9:01pm
RF

Newstalk ZB talk back will be interesting tonight. I can hear the tar pots bubbling already. Anyone got any spare feathers.
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September 12, 2012 9:04pm
Reid

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13804631-once-jailed-banker-gets-104-million-whistleblower-payout?lite

He spilled the beans on thousands of US citizens who had secret Swiss bank accounts.

Birkenfeld attorney Stephen Kohn said the information the former Swiss banker turned over to the IRS led directly to the $780 million fine paid to the US by his former employer, UBS, as well as leading over 35,000 taxpayers to participate in amnesty programs to voluntarily repatriate their illegal offshore accounts. Kohn said that resulted in the collection of over $5 billion dollars in back taxes, fines and penalties that otherwise would have remained outside the reach of the government.

Birkenfeld’s disclosures also led to the first cracks in the legendarily secretive Swiss banking system, and ultimately the Swiss government changed its tax treaty with the United States. UBS turned over the names of more than than 4,900 U.S. taxpayers who held illegal offshore accounts. Investigations into those accounts are ongoing…

…Under the IRS whistleblower program which was revamped in 2006, informants are entitled to a percentage of the dollars recovered by the US government when fraud is exposed.

This decision is expected to send a message to other potential informants that there is money, potentially big money, in turning to the government.

So. How long is this guy going to live, once he’s released? I imagine if you’ve just lost quite a few hundred mil, I don’t imagine the Witness Protection program provides a great deal of security, especially from the sort of people who hide their wealth in the Swiss Banking system. I wish him well and thank him for coming clean, and also wonder if we shouldn’t have such a whistleblowing program here. After all, what better way to prevent fraud, than to make everyone who commits it look over their shoulders?
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September 12, 2012 9:34pm
joana

Terror raids across Melbourne today..the Al Furqan Centre.. Will they get a mention in our papers??..I doubt it but of course there will be a big fuss when the Rotorua Islamic centre opens..Are we incapable of learning from the experiences of others?
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September 12, 2012 11:10pm
Lazybum

US ambassador to Libya killed tonight. This will be interesting, all over a movie about Allah. Dumb arsed religion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9537683/US-ambassador-to-Libya-killed-in-attack-on-Benghazi-consulate.html
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September 12, 2012 11:26pm
Manolo

Same old from the unions: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8531983/union-accuses-government-of-a-cop-out
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September 13, 2012 7:05am
Manolo

More than dumb arsed religion: Islam is a criminal, violent and backward-looking creed.
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