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September 11, 2012 7:00pm by David Farrar

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Kea

At least they have an opposing media view. All the widely read media here are to the left.

What we consider “center” is often radical far left doctrine that has become normalised in our dreary socialist society.
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September 11, 2012 7:10pm
Manolo

You only need to compare both organisations on popularity, audience and reader/viewership trends. Therein lies the answer about which one is succeeding and which one is on its way out.
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September 11, 2012 7:13pm
RRM

radical far left doctrine that has become normalised in our dreary socialist society.

Yeah, I hate how you’re not allowed to own property here, and the churches have been shut down, and the department of work and income assigns you to whatever job they decide would be appropriate, income taxes are 100%, unauthorised reproduction is banned and homosexuality is compulsory…

…wait, what?
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September 11, 2012 7:22pm
Kea

Popularity is not a reliable indicator of what is good or right Manolo. People do not work like that.
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September 11, 2012 7:24pm
Kea

What is it with you people RRM?

Why do you assume all gay people are supporters of the left? A great deal of them are not. Many people do not vote according to who they prefer to sleep with. Crazy I know, but people are funny.
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September 11, 2012 7:28pm
East Wellington Superhero

@ RRM

“Yeah, I hate how you’re not allowed to own property here, and the churches have been shut down, and the department of work and income assigns you to whatever job they decide would be appropriate, income taxes are 100%”

The classic thing is that this is what a number of Labour MPs actually believe and would endorse if it meant getting power. And you joke about it like a useful idiot.
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September 11, 2012 7:28pm
PaulL

FFS, sarcasm anyone? NZ is clearly not a far left wing utopia, or the Greens would be in power. It’s more to the left than many of us would like.

I always find it amusing how most of my friends in the real world think that I’m slightly to the right of Genghis Khan, but here in Kiwiblog land I’m a raving lefty.

@RRM: I thought your comment funny at least.
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September 11, 2012 7:51pm
Fletch

Popularity is not a reliable indicator of what is good or right Manolo. People do not work like that.

“Moral principles do not depend on a majority vote. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong. Right is right, even if nobody is right.” — Fulton J. Sheen, 1953
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September 11, 2012 7:54pm
tom hunter

And with a wonderful sense of timing there’s this little blog piece:

I was shocked, and while I pumped my $40 worth, I chatted with the fellow on the other side of the aisle who was watching the digit-counters while shaking his head.

“I hadn’t realized gas had gotten so expensive,” I said.

“You live on Mars?” he asked.

“Well, you know, I’m not even seeing it being reported on in the headlines,” I answered. “I just lost track.”

“That’s true,” he said, as though it was a new awareness. “Usually there are news reports…”

Yeah, there are. Pulling away with my not-full tank of gas, I considered the media silence on these high gas prices, and I began to get mad. Once upon a time — and not that long ago — high gas prices were leading stories on nightly news programs. Grim-faced anchors introduced stories of family budgets becoming strained; earnest reporters shoved microphones into the faces of working people and asked whether they were having to make hard choices. It was all very solemn and serious. People were choosing between food and fuel, and winter was coming, and home-heating oil would likely be sky-high, too, and we all knew whose fault it was, didn’t we?

But now, with gas at $4.19 — higher, near the expressway — here in New York? Not a whisper. Not a headline.

Ideological bias has collapsed into straight-out partisan bias. As one commentator pointed out:

See, if you want media scrutiny of the regime, you need to elect a Republican president.
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September 11, 2012 7:56pm
Redbaiter

Blunt is typically full of NZ media misinformation.

If he had any actual idea he would appreciate why the joke really doesn’t work.

And that is because there are many Liberals on Fox but no Conservatives at all writing for the NYT.
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September 11, 2012 8:00pm
Duncan Brown

I don’t know too much about US media, but at first glance, I thought it was about “First Day Inductions for Party Candidates…”
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September 11, 2012 8:58pm
Scott1

This isn’t about how many token leftists or conservatives each side has… and as this thread shows that a completely subjective distinction.

What this is about is the degree to which each side fits the facts to the narative rather than the narative to the facts.
So – Do you have any positions where you disagree with Romney? Now can you find many of those highlighted in fox’s post defacto nomination memes?
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September 11, 2012 9:08pm
Ryan Sproull

More like “exactly what they say, but a few differences on social policies”.
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September 11, 2012 9:20pm
Ryan Sproull

FFS, sarcasm anyone? NZ is clearly not a far left wing utopia, or the Greens would be in power. It’s more to the left than many of us would like.

True, PaulL. The Greens are the only viable left-wing party in New Zealand, in opposition to the two “centrist” major right-wing parties and their satellites.
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September 11, 2012 9:21pm
duggledog

Newstalk ZB vs National Radio
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September 11, 2012 9:38pm
s.russell

This is very subjective of course, but I have noted a sharp change in the content on US website RealClearPolitics this year. In US election season I have a browse every couple of days to see what’s going on. Four years ago it seemed like most of the reporting was reasonably non-partisan (though the partisan stuff was still a large minority). This year it seems like 80% or more is partisan and the really non-partisan stuff that SHOULD be the core of journalism has become rare.
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September 11, 2012 10:03pm
Reid

The Greens are the only viable left-wing party in New Zealand

Really?

Crikey.

Er.

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September 11, 2012 10:39pm
Kea

National are in power because they took over the territory previously occupied by Labour. New Zealand people are essentially socialist in their outlook. The center here is not comparable to the center in the USA or many other places.

I think at some point we exchanged egalitarianism for socialism and our personal responsibility for central government responsibility. This is our loss as a nation.
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September 11, 2012 10:52pm
Mark

Funnily enough NZ politics sits in the spectrum where the majority of people feel comfortable. NZ is not a right wing country and Key has a good understanding of this. It is why ACT cannot muster 2% of the party vote. Labour used to understand this but have drifted far too far left and have been captured by unions and nutters. By positioning National as a centrist party Key has denied Labour the space to flourish.

A big move to the right as some on this blog want to see will simply see the swinging voter drift to Labour
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September 12, 2012 9:04am
Mark

Kea
Essentially true but the psychology is driven by a lack of trust of corporates and the private sector. Sort of makes sense when you think about the GFC
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September 12, 2012 9:07am
UpandComer

Red, David Brooks is kind of conservative and writes for the NYT.

But I agree – the way they let Paul Krugman hold sway pretty much makes them FOX in reverse.
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September 12, 2012 9:49am
E. Campbell

I don’t agree with the politics of Fox News, but I have to say I love watching it! It’s great news television, presented in an exciting, polarising and interesting way. It’s no wonder it beats its cable rivals, CNN and MSNBC, hands down. Watched CNN lately? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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September 12, 2012 1:25pm
Redbaiter

“Red, David Brooks is kind of conservative and writes for the NYT.”

A widely recognized Benedict Arnold.
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September 12, 2012 1:50pm
tom hunter

I know this thread is already “old”, but given what happened in Egypt and Libya yesterday it seems appropriate to note two things about the media coverage of this event.

First, the press conference around Romney that quizzed him about the “tone” of his comments. As this article notes:

FURTHER UPDATE: This is just about beyond belief. We have a failed policy in the Middle East, an American embassy and consulate attacked by Islamic radicals in two countries whose regimes the Obama administration participated in overthrowing, a murdered ambassador – the first in 33 years – and the burning question in the media-formerly-known-as-mainstream is whether Mitt Romney was wrong to criticize the Obama administration’s response to the attacks.

And in perfect lockstep with this was (again), little old Morning Report at 7:55am this morning in an interview with “their” foreign correspondent in Washington D.C., Simon Marks. He probably had only a few minutes before scurrying off to that bastion of fair-minded analysis, MSNBC’s Hardball, but he made sure to maintain the narrative even all the way over in little old NZ.

Pricks!
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