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August 4, 2012 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 4 August 2012

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thedavincimode

I thought Steve Walsh had given up the turps???
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August 4, 2012 9:10pm
Other_Andy

@adam2314

Wall street (read Israel)….. Uh, those would be the firms supporting Obama?

You forgot one of the major (new) players in the region, China.
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August 4, 2012 9:12pm
Viking2

37/6
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August 4, 2012 9:14pm
Viking2

Fulltime: Chiefs 37 (4 tries, 3 pens, 4 cons) v Sharks 6 (2 pens)
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August 4, 2012 9:16pm
adam2314

Did not forget China.. They would love to have the oil pumped east.. they are supporting Russia in the UN.. against intervention.. Russia really can say nothing against that.. They supply oil to China..

BUT !!.. they are not offering money ( oops . Support to go to the Drachma ) as America is ( Tim Geitner ).. as Russia is ( Cyprus )..

Just check out the visitors from other countries.. To Greece .. Clinton ( Bill ).. ad nauseum ..
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August 4, 2012 9:21pm
adam2314

Viking.. Bread and circuses :-))))
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August 4, 2012 9:22pm
chiz

Reid:It’s a western/Israel-backed takeover of yet another peaceful country

Bollocks. Israel would prefer it if Assad remained in power, just as they would have preferred to see Mubarak remain in power. Do you seriously expect us to believe that they want the MB or salafists running Syria?
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August 4, 2012 9:26pm
adam2314

chiz..

It is money.. !!… Assad has been run by Iran.. Time for a change..

Eygpt has not yet found it’s feet .. they will not go to war..

Oil will pay for what ever they want..
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August 4, 2012 9:31pm
Reid

Syria is about Iran. It’s Iran’s last major ally left. Have a look at Iran’s oil fields and they dwarf Iraq’s.

As I’ve said many times, Iraq was Israel’s public enemy #2, Iran is Israel’s #1.

There are few if any benefits to the US in getting rid of Iran. There are massive benefits to Israel from using the US’ blood and treasure to do it for her.

Bush told Israel a number of times he wouldn’t take out Iran (because of what would have happened to the troops then in Iraq). This is what Georgia was about – giving Israel overflight. That’s why Putin stopped it.

Russia and China both strongly support Iran. Both countries receive major energy from Iran but Russia doesn’t need it, China does. But Russia is not interested in allowing the US hegemony in the ME. It caved on Libya but Putin is hanging tough on Syria. Everything hinges on China. If the US does a deal with China over Syria, then Iran is history, and the ME goes to war. This is because the Arab street regards Iran as holy, and if the US or Israel attacks it, the Arab street erupts. This is why the US has been replacing all the unstable regimes like Egypt and Libya with its own people, so it could control it if it happened.

The bizarre thing of course is, this is all happening because of Israel, because the US has enough energy reserves to be self-sufficient for a very long time indeed. But no-one seems to realise that in the west, and this may be because all repeat all, of the western media organisations, are run by jews and that’s not anti-semitism, that’s just a fact. Murdoch’s a jew for instance and you know what he runs. Time Warner is run by jews, so is Disney, Viacom and the rest of them. Now not being anti-semitic or anything but the last I heard, jews don’t criticise other jews in front of the goyim, who is us. These are all facts, BTW, so check them out. You may think they’re not very convenient facts, but they’re facts nevertheless. So make your own mind up, and let’s just hope you don’t just mindlessly scream “anti-semitic” without actually looking at whether what I’ve said, is actually, in fact, the case or not.

Bollocks. Israel would prefer it if Assad remained in power

So you think Israel enjoyed getting its arse kicked by Hezbollah last time it tried to invade East Lebanon, chiz? Yeah, I guess you’re right. That’s why Olmert was such a popular PM, isn’t it. Because he let the IDF suffer a MASSIVE defeat against the Syrian-backed Hezbollah. Fucken der, chiz.
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August 4, 2012 9:34pm
chiz

tom hunter:BINGO!!!

Normally you’re more intelligent than that tom.

assuming that the second story was his own

Neither story was his. The “another story” headers should have been a clue. They were both copied from elsewhere.
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August 4, 2012 9:37pm
adam2314

Reid…

You have missed the importance of Cyprus !!..
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August 4, 2012 9:41pm
chiz

Reid: Syria is about Iran. It’s Iran’s last major ally left. Have a look at Iran’s oil fields and they dwarf Iraq’s.

Iran is a factor, but its oilfields aren’t. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are aiding the syrian rebels because they see this as a way of curbing Iran influence in the region.

Do you think Israel enjoyed getting its arse kicked by Hezbollah last time it tried to invade East Lebanon, chiz? Yeah, I guess you’re right. That’s why Olmert was such a popular PM, isn’t it. Because he let the IDF suffer a MASSIVE defeat against the Syrian-backed Hezbollah. Fucken der, chiz.

Hezbollah are Iranian proxies. Fucken der yourself reid.

Assad, like Mubarak, keeps the borders stable, or moderately so. Any replacement for him would result in a government more sympathetic to Hamas and Israel doesn’t want that. Egypt at least has a military that will uphold the treaties with Israel, and that doesn’t like Hamas, regardless of what Morsi. That won’t be the case in Syria if Assad falls.
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August 4, 2012 9:46pm
Reid

You have missed the importance of Cyprus !!..

adam, Planet X is coming in November adam and nothing matters after that, but I didn’t want to get off-topic.

Hezbollah are Iranian proxies. Fucken der yourself reid.

Hezbollah gets major backing and support from Syria chiz. Double-der with cherries on top times infinity plus one.
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August 4, 2012 9:46pm
adam2314

Hezbollah is Iranian backed .. VIA.. Syria.. Not Syrian backed.. Syria is Iranian backed therefore does as told ..
Remove the VIA.. Hezbollah are neutered..

The West will not need Iranian oil when Greece comes onto production.. Direct pipe lines over EU territory..
Also the EU does not need Iranian oil today ..

Thank you for not wanting to ” get off topic “..
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August 4, 2012 10:05pm
Reid

Hezbollah is Iranian backed .. VIA.. Syria.. Not Syrian backed.. Syria is Iranian backed therefore does as told ..
Remove the VIA.. Hezbollah are neutered..

Yes the point you seem to have lost adam is, innocent people are being raped, their throats are being slit and both children and adults have been suffering both of those things for at least 18 months now, simply because some extremely cold-blooded people decided to initiate an operation which has nothing to do with a grassroots uprising in the name of democracy albeit in the western media it’s been portrayed as such and therefore, western people have, despite their considerable education, been extraordinarily gullible and simplistic in their understanding as to the actual tragedy which has unfolded before their very eyes over the last 18 or so months.

That’s really the topic.

The oil, well, personally, I don’t really give a fuck about it myself. It’s the people that I care about which is why I bother to explain what I do, here and elsewhere. But the oil is the motivator, and people seem to understand things better, if they can relate it to a motive, for some reason.
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August 4, 2012 10:20pm
hj

“The results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature are in and Richard Muller, the study’s director (formerly an AGW skeptic) declares, ‘Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.’ The study was funded by the Folger Fund, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (created by Bill Gates), the Bowes Foundation, the Koch Foundation, and the Getty Foundation.”
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/29/127235/koch-bros-study-finds-global-warming-is-real-and-man-made
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August 4, 2012 10:27pm
Reid

Further to my 10:20, my apologies adam, I didn’t mean to personalise it by implying you, personally, had missed the point. Of course you hadn’t. The whole western world has, me included. My apologies.
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August 4, 2012 10:45pm
adam2314

Ried..
My original post began..

Syria !!..

All about as usual.. OIL and GAS !!..

I do not need your Faux aplogies..
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August 4, 2012 10:50pm
adam2314

apologies.. Tired 4am start..
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August 4, 2012 11:00pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

adam, Planet X is coming in November adam and nothing matters after that, but I didn’t want to get off-topic.

Holy Krap! We let the gays marry, buy shares in Mighty River Power, have two more changes of Labour Leaders,
and some fucking great thing called Planet X is to take us all out in bloody November ?
Is that before, on, or after November 5 ?
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August 4, 2012 11:07pm
Other_Andy

@hj

You’ve been had hj.
Fairfax in Australia reported this and quickly took it off their website when they found out they were duped.
Muller never was a sceptic.
“Carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels will prove to be the greatest pollutant of human history. It is likely to have severe and detrimental effects on global climate.” (Richard Muller, 2003).
“There is a consensus that global warming is real. …it’s going to get much, much worse.” (Richard Muller, 2008).
He has a vested (Very personal) interest in the AGW scam.
Richard Muller is a member of the Berkeley Earth Team (Promoters of CAGW) and his daughter Elizabeth Muller is the Founder and Executive Director. On top of this, Elizabeth is also the founder of GreenGov which helps ‘investors profit from investments in alternative energy’.
He is a charlatan.
Muller paper didn’t get through the peer review (It was rejected) and was slammed by several scientists and reviewers both for his work and the way he went to the media before the peer review was finished.

Koch Brothers?
I thought they were the evil right-wing backers of the sceptics?
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August 4, 2012 11:08pm
Reid

Is that before, on, or after November 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9fS8Y-fww
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August 4, 2012 11:08pm
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

… but I didn’t want to get off-topic.

No ?
You just thought none of us would pick it up, because it’s ‘off topic’
What were you going to do – just say “Mentioned it a while back – told you so …” after it’s all fucking over ?
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