General Debate 14 August 2012

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Keeping Stock

First; just like Valerie Adams 😀
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August 14, 2012 8:03am
Colville

Yip Keeping Stock ….. We knew she was the best 😉

Unlike some…..

Longknives (1,260) Says:

August 7th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Val Adams gets beaten into silver and Radio Sport and talkback is rife with conspiracy theories and allegations of drug cheating already (similar to whenever the All Blacks get beaten) -God New Zealanders are just the worst sports sometimes.
Considering how embarrassingly both Campbell and Sainsbury were beating their chests and absolutely crowing over the Aussies last night…Yes we punch above our weight sporting wise, it’s just a bloody shame our media have to be so undignified about it.
We really have a lot of growing up to do when it comes to sports…
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August 14, 2012 8:07am
Viking2

Just to start you day off right.
IMAGINE being in a gay marriage with that Belarussin shotputer..enough to make even johnboy blush. 😆
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August 14, 2012 8:15am
Viking2

someone else tried to say she /he had beaten Valerie consistently. ha ha ha.

Adams threw 20.70m in the shot put final at the Olympic Stadium on 6 August and was awarded silver behind the Belarusian who had taken gold with 21.36m. It was the first time Adams had been beaten by Ostapchuk in nearly two years.
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August 14, 2012 8:18am
Keeping Stock

Meanwhile, Jenny Michie is hanging Labour’s dirty laundry out very publicly. It makes a mockery of David Shearer’s claim yesterday that caucus discipline was all sorted, and that Labour was going to “move on”.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/airing-labours-dirty-laundry.html
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August 14, 2012 8:23am
Colville

Ostapchuk is married to a shotputter who is serving a 4 year ban for steroids and all of a sudden at the Olympics she up and chucks the steel ball a meter further than she had before not just once but 4 times….
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August 14, 2012 8:24am
graham

Colville: Longknives is correct. By all means let’s celebrate when we win, let’s be proud of our athletes, but let’s also accept that there are other athletes who are sometime going to be better.

IF they are subsequently proven to have cheated, then throw the book at them – but quit with the accusations and allegations. Sometimes we win, they lose. And let’s celebrate that. Sometimes they win, we lose. Let’s be good sports.

Valerie Adams was beaten by someone who has been proven as a cheat. How many of our athletes were beaten fair and square?
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August 14, 2012 8:30am
kowtow

Labour can implode and it won’t matter.

The left can still engineer the social fabric of this country through private members bills and a National majority won’t make any difference. There are very few real conservatives around any more.

Binding referenda is the answer.
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August 14, 2012 8:34am
graham

KS: Yep seen it. And glad for Valerie.

But Colville at 8:07 am was having a go at Longknives for complaining about all the conspiracy theories and allegations of drug cheating. That was on August 7th, just after the competition. Longknives was correct: at that point, nobody knew about the drug results – so it was, as Longknives said, just plain bad sportsmanship and sore losers. Not Valerie, she handled it with grace – all the couch experts grizzling, “We wuz robbed”.
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August 14, 2012 8:47am
obald

at that point, nobody knew about the drug results. Sure, but…….

It was as obvious as the sun rising in the east that Ms Ostapchuk was on the sauce. Forget the bodily habitus (please forget the bodily habitus), that degree of improvement in performance over such a short time frame at that level of competition just does not happen by ‘improvement in technique’ or what ever she was claiming.

Complaining about the result last Wednesday was not ‘bad sportsmanship’, it was pointing out the bleedin’ obvious.
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August 14, 2012 9:13am
Longknives

Quite right Colville- We all know that the ONLY reason New Zealand ever gets beaten at anything is because the opposition is cheating (Suzy the Waitress, Wayne Barnes etc)
My comments were nothing to do with Val Adams who is a World Class athlete -Just the appalling poor sportsmanship and attitude of New Zealand sports fans and media…
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August 14, 2012 9:14am
Pete George

The blog Keeping Stock refers to is titled Bad behaviour puts Labour activists off.

That’s ironic on a day of bad behaviour from Labour activists at The Standard. After the usual abuse – for posting on Colourblind, which Eddie has posted on (and linkwhored!) today – the behaviour got to much for lprent to take anymore.

Permanent ban for yet again trying to tell us what we should be doing with the site. I’m tired of it and I really don’t think you’re capable of either learning or holding your end up in any kind of discussion.

He’s right, I’m not capable holding up my end of “any kind of discussion”, Standard style, and I’m not capable of learning their kind of nastiness.

While Jenny Michie is an activist she isn’t one of the resident nasties. But she may have well been referring to their blog behaviour as much as the parliamentary bad behaviour. It seems to be an entrenched problem from top to bottom. And neither blog nor caucus seem to have any idea of the damage they are doing their party.
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August 14, 2012 9:21am
MT_Tinman

Longknives is, of course, once again wrong.

Not in the fact that NZ couch potatoes are poor losers but that this phenomena is limited to NZ couch potatoes.

Reading sports reports and blogs from around the world shows that most NZ non-competitor comment is mild in comparison with that of a great many other countries.
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August 14, 2012 9:25am
Colville

Anyone who has traveled a bit to see a few games of various sports knows damm well that NZers are very well behaved and very moderate in their comments in comparrison to other nations.
Go to a First Div game in England and 50 000 “fans” are there to get pissed and fight, you need riot gear to get back to your car.

Any minute now NZ is going to be awarded the ’95 Rugby World Cup! We was robbed! 😉
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August 14, 2012 9:34am
Pete George

And in another irony the comment yesterday that led to the usual abuse and then ban was on Ansell’s Colourblind campaign. Amongst other things I was accussed of being racist scum.

Today ‘Eddie’ has posted on the same thing (linkwhore!) but is much more inflammatory, but thats acceptable because it’s Eddie’s usual target, National. And DPF.

Privileged try to turn Kiwis against each other

Finally, a wee smack for Farrar. He wrote a post of this so-called ‘Treatygate’ campaign without criticising it. That can only be taken as a tacit endorsement. Now, do I think Farrar’s a racist? No, not an active one. A passive structuralist one, perhaps, but not an active one. But he knows that many of the Right’s hardcore are racist – just look at the comments section below his post. And he knows that the point of encouraging racism in the masses isn’t the racism itself but the distraction and protection it brings for the elite. So, he draws attention to Ansell’s racism without condemning it.

Farrar’s quandary is also a problem for National. Will Key come out and condemn racism from his former ad-man? Or will he be seen as endorsing it?

http://thestandard.org.nz/privileged-try-to-turn-kiwis-against-each-other/

Yet another irony, ‘Eddie’ accuses ‘try to turn Kiwis against each other’, when that’s exactly what he’s doing. And that’s exactly why The Standard try to stop anyone from pointing out their nastiness and hypocrisies.

But it sticks out like dogs balls anyway.

Eddie’s quandary is also a problem for Labour. Will lprent come out and condemn racism and classism from his resident hit man?
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August 14, 2012 9:39am
Longknives

“We really have a lot of growing up to do when it comes to sports… ”
I stand by this comment.

Exhibit A- Graham Henry’s pathetic dragging up of a few refereeing mistakes in the 2007 RWC final and upgrading it to Indian Bookmaker level! “We was robbed!!” cries Sir Ted…

Exhibit B- The same Graham Henry is strangley quiet about the suspiciously one eyed performance of Craig Joubert in this match though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo
(1:20 for the really good stuff..)

Why is Mr Henry not making ‘match fixing’ allegations against Joubert and co? Some of their decisions in that match were mindblowingly unfair on ther French…
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August 14, 2012 9:40am
my 2 cents

Binding referenda is the answer.

This can be a two edged sword.
Binding is the operative word.
80% isn’t a mandate unless it has handcuffs with it.
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August 14, 2012 10:09am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Teen father who broke baby’s legs avoids jail
A teenage father has been sentenced to a year’s home detention for repeated assaults on his infant daughter that resulted in her legs being broken in five places.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7470894/Teen-father-who-broke-babys-legs-avoids-jail

Perhaps a little more information will reveal why, apart from judicial inconsistency, this case does not follow the usual trend – jail
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August 14, 2012 10:30am
Pete George

Binding referenda is the answer.

What was the question?

Binding referenda are fine for a few things – like our voting system, national flag, national anthem etc. But they are far to cumbersome and open to abuse to be useful for most of the work parliament does.

What we need is a better system of allowing people’s opinions to be measure and a more effective people’s lobby system. This doesn’t need any major legislative change, it just needs enough people to be determined to make it happen, and for politicians to take notice,
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August 14, 2012 10:31am
wreck1080

“A teenage father has been sentenced to a year’s home detention for repeated assaults on his infant daughter that resulted in her legs being broken in five places.”

Sweet! (for the father).

No real punishment .

I’m ashamed of our country today.
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August 14, 2012 10:42am
Keeping Stock

Agreed wreck. Hopefully the Crown will already be preparing the appeal against Judge Mary Peters’ appalling decision. What kind of message does this send out to all the other James Halls out there?

Bottom line; his violence caused serious injuries to a defenceless four month old, so he should be facing some serious jail time in a serious prison. This “punishment” goes nowhere near fitting the crime.
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August 14, 2012 10:49am
Paulus

Congratulation to the Electoral Commission.
Finally the Nats have been well and truly stuffed, just as the Greens saw when originally pushing MMP.
It has only taken them four Elections to get what they want. Timing is crucial.
But they only had to wait, with Labour imploding, putting themselves and the Winston Party on top.
Well done Mr Peden.
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August 14, 2012 10:55am
my 2 cents

Wreck
We thought exactly the same thing at the breakfast table this morning.

Hey anyone
I’ve just read this and whilst I know it’s old news, is this the reason Jim Salinger isn’t at NIWA anymore?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/the-tribalistic-corruption-of-peer-review-the-chris-de-freitas-incident/
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August 14, 2012 10:57am
my 2 cents

Whilst you make a point, I suspect you are half wrong Pete.

1. we need different people as MP’s as they don’t listen??
80%
2. handcuffs mean we can have some certainty in the outcome.

Case in point, why have we got a 3Strikes law?
Simple the judiciary weren’t up to the job and then didn’t listen and the unholy red & blue cabel in parliament thought they knew better than us and could ignore it.
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August 14, 2012 11:02am
kowtow

Rights are great ,but whose rights do the courts and all these tribunals uphold?

Case in point from Oz.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-tribunal-says-motel-is-not-allowed-to-ban-prostitution-in-motel?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LifesitenewscomLatestHeadlines+%28LifeSiteNews.com+Latest+Headlines%29
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August 14, 2012 11:43am
Weihana

kowtow (2,567) Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:43 am

Rights are great ,but whose rights do the courts and all these tribunals uphold?

Case in point from Oz.

Interesting. I have no idea what the law says in this case but presumably your point is about ethics rather than legalities.

The argument of the accommodation association is that:

“If a hairdresser decided to set up shop in the motel and started inviting people in to get their hair cut, I think the motel owner would have the right to say, `Hang on, that’s a different business operating out of my business”

Which is a fair point, but is it relevant to this case? Is the motel owner discriminating based on some practical consideration or merely a moral opposition to sex workers? Problem is that if you allow discrimination on purely subjective moral grounds then the same argument can be applied to any other protected class of persons including religious or racial groups. A KKK member might have a moral opposition to non-white people, or an atheist might have a moral opposition to religious people. Does that give them a right to discriminate on that basis when offering commercial services? If you believe that property rights are absolute in that regard then I suppose they do have such a right.

But if we accept that there should be regulation against discrimination in the offering of public services then there should surely have to be some objective basis for the discrimination in order to justify it. Given that the prostitute used the motel 17 times over two years then the hair dresser analogy doesn’t really apply. Similarly the argument that young people are around is similarly untenable given that the activity is behind closed doors and is no different to any other adults engaging in sex which is presumably permitted.

From all appearances the discrimination is based purely on subjective moral grounds and is therefore no different to refusing service to a person because they are black, or catholic, or atheist, or a national party supporter, or…..
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August 14, 2012 12:19pm
cha

Popcorn time, the US presidential election is going to be fun.

http://ncronline.org/news/politics/which-presidential-candidate-truly-pro-life
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August 14, 2012 12:42pm
iMP

Interesting speculation on National’s 2014 accommodations and a critique of Hooton’s NBR piece on National’s chances:
http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/nats-a-third-term-likely-nat-2014-accommodations
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August 14, 2012 12:55pm
big bruv

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/7473781/Prime-in-line-to-pickup-Back-Benches

Bugger!…just when I thought this left wing wank show was dead and buried.
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August 14, 2012 1:06pm
kowtow

Got to love that Arab Spring. Throwing folk off buildings……no doubt to cries of Allah akbar.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2187798/Syria-violence-New-horror-Aleppo-Syrian-rebels-filmed-hurling-bodies-rooftop-claim-shot-government-fighter-plane-captured-pilot.html
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August 14, 2012 1:33pm
publicwatchdog

All those who believe in FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and the right to TELL THE TRUTH – please read on:

[Deleted by DPF – thsi is not the space for personal feuds. You can publish what you want about this person on your own blog.]
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August 14, 2012 3:07pm
Pete George

Something for KB kiddies to read: Kiwiblog – David Farrar’s nine-year old baby

http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/technology/kiwiblog-david-farrars-nine-year-old-baby/
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August 14, 2012 4:04pm
chiz

Stewart Murray Wilson, the Beast of Blenheim, will apparently be moving in next to, or near to, Tariana Turia.
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August 14, 2012 4:24pm
nasska

I’m going to buy these forms in pads of fifty……

Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/TMymf
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August 14, 2012 6:15pm
kowtow

The Arab Spring is attracting “Germans” to Egypt.

I think that’s great and I wish happy hunting to the Israeli security forces should any turn up near their border.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-islamists-travel-to-egypt-a-849802.html
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August 14, 2012 6:18pm
Reid

Meanwhile in Fukushima something of minor importance continues to unravel and the media continues to talk about sport and the latest vital celeb happenings both locally and globally non-stop without let nor hindrance. Isn’t that nice.

Biologist on Mutated Butterflies: Study is overwhelming in its implications for humans — Japan Researcher: Insects were believed to be very resistant to radiation — Irregularly developed eyes, malformed antennae, much smaller wings
http://enenews.com/university-biologist-on-mutated-butterflies-study-is-overwhelming-in-its-implications-for-humans-japan-researcher-insects-believed-to-be-very-resistant-to-radiation-irregularly-developed-e

Japanese Researcher: They remind me of Godzilla (PHOTO) — 95% of worms die, survivors grow 10 times average size when raised on Tokyo soil contaminated with Fukushima radioactive material
http://enenews.com/japanese-researcher-they-remind-me-of-godzilla-photo-95-of-worms-die-survivors-grow-10-times-average-size-when-raised-on-tokyo-soil-contaminated-with-fukushima-radioactive-material

This is a bit like the DU they used in 2003 in Iraq. Right now, right now, yes, riiiiiiiiiiight now, it’s been in the jetstream for about a decade and guess what, all you need is to ingest a single particle, that’s right, a single particle, then this happens to your children for a hundred generations because it shreds your DNA.
http://www.aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqdubabiespix.html

Just in case you thought it was only the ragheads, just scroll to the bottom of the last link.

Yes it does happen to white people.

And now we’ve got Fukushima. But hey, it shouldn’t be a problem. After all, the DoD denies DU is deadly and the Japanese govt haven’t raised the alarm over Fukushima and those people wouldn’t lie to us and if they did, well there would have had to be so many people involved that surely one person would have talked, so therefore, logically it must be all OK and those photos must be just photoshopped by people wanting to undermine the good name of the US of A who was only defending itself and the whole world from all those WMD that Saddam had. So there.
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August 14, 2012 6:20pm
nasska

Reid

Interesting links. Really scary when you consider that insects may already be mutating & they have only been exposed to a tiny percentage of the radiation that will be leaked when the holding tanks fail.

As for depleted uranium…..it should have the same status as gas in warfare. Maybe something for our would be rulers at the UN to cast a watchful eye over.

Only joking!
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August 14, 2012 6:32pm
Other_Andy

@kowtow

“The Arab Spring is attracting “Germans” to Egypt.”

Just like the ‘good old days’ in 1945.
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August 14, 2012 7:07pm
kowtow

OA

In ’45 they might have had beards as a disguise but in2012 the beards will be a religious statement.And few of them will have real German names like Hans or Helmut!
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August 14, 2012 7:30pm
Other_Andy

@kowtow

Not only beards.
They also share an ideology with lots of similarities,
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August 14, 2012 7:36pm
nasska

Bob had finally made it to the last round of the $50,000 Question.
The night before the big question, he told the host MC
that he desired a question on American History.

The big night arrived. Bob made his way onstage in
front of the studio and TV audience. He had become
the talk of the week. He was the best guest this show
had ever seen. The MC stepped up to the mike.

“Bob, you have chosen American History as your
final question. You know that if you correctly answer
this question, you will walk away $50,000 dollars
richer. Are you ready?”

Bob nodded with a cocky confidence — the crowd
went nuts. He hadn’t missed a question all week.

“Bob, yours is a two-part question. As you know,
you may answer either part first. As a rule, the
second half of the question is always easier.
Which part would you like to take a stab at first?”

Bob was becoming more noticeably nervous.
He couldn’t believe it, but he was not sure, but
American History was his easiest subject, and
he played it safe.

“I’ll try the easier part first.”

The MC nodded approvingly. “Here we go Bob.
I will ask you the second half first, then the first half.”

The audience grew silent with gross anticipation…

“Bob, here is your question: And in what year did it happen?”
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August 14, 2012 8:00pm
Yvette

Reid – I wonder if the Japanese do not ask for international help because the USA has already indicated to them that it would compromise their own nuclear power systems and so it is a no go.
Unfortunately, in consideration of that, the millions of tons of krap floating across the Pacific to Canada and the USA will not be radio-active enough to achieve a positive outcome.
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August 14, 2012 8:07pm
Viking2

A man was dining alone in a fancy restaurant and there was a
gorgeous redhead sitting at the next table..He had been checking
her out since he sat down, but lacked the nerve to talk with her.

Suddenly she sneezed, and her glass eye came flying out of its socket towards the man. He reflexively reached out, grabbed it out of the air, and handed it back.

‘Oh my, I am so sorry,’ the woman said, as she popped her eye back in place. ‘Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you.’

They enjoyed a wonderful dinner together, and afterwards they went to the theatre followed by drinks… They talked, they laughed, she shared her deepest dreams and he shared his. She listened to him with interest.

After paying for everything, she asked him if he would like to come to her place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They had a wonderful, wonderful time.

The next morning, she cooked a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy was amazed. Everything had been so incredible!

‘You know,’ he said, ‘you are the perfect woman.. Are you this nice to every guy you meet?’

‘No,’ she replies. ….. …..

Wait for it … …………

It’s coming ……. …..

The suspense is killing you, isn’t it?

She said … …..:

‘You just happened to catch my eye.’
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August 14, 2012 8:38pm
Viking2

A good looking man walked into an agent’s office in Hollywood and said, “I
want to be a movie star.” Tall, handsome, and with experience on Broadway,
he had the right credentials.

The agent asked, “What’s your name?”
…
The guy said, “My name is Penis van Lesbian.”

The agent said, “Sir, I hate to tell you, but in order to get into
Hollywood, you are going to have to change your name.”

“I will NOT change my name! The van Lesbian name is centuries old, I will
not disrespect my grandfather by changing my name. Not ever.”

The agent said, “Sir, I have worked in Hollywood for years…you will NEVER
go far in Hollywood with a name like Penis van Lesbian! I’m telling you, you
will HAVE TO change your name or I will not be able to represent you.”

“So be it! I guess we will not do business together,” the guy said and he
left the agent’s office.

Five years later …… The agent opens an envelope sent to his office.
Inside the envelope is a letter and a check for $50,000. The agent is
awe-struck, who would possibly send him $50,000?

He reads the letter enclosed…

Dear Sir,
Five years ago, I came into your office wanting to become an actor in
Hollywood, you told me I needed to change my name. Determined to make it
with my God-given birth name, I refused. You told me I would never make it
in Holly-wood with a name like Penis van Lesbian. After I left your office,
I thought about what you said. I decided you were right. I had to change my
name. I had too much pride to return to your office, so I signed with
another agent. I would never have made it without changing my name, so the
enclosed check is a token of my appreciation.

Thank you for your advice.

Sincerely,

Dick van Dyke
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August 14, 2012 8:39pm
nasska

As the airliner pushed back from the gate, the flight
attendant gave the passengers the usual drivel regarding
seat belts etc. Finally, she said, “Now sit back and enjoy
your trip while your captain, Judith Campbell and crew
take you safely to your destination.”

Joe sitting in the 8th row thought to himself,
“Did hear her right – is the captain a woman?
I think I better have scotch and soda.”

When the attendants came by with drink cart, he said,
“Did I understand you right? Is the captain a woman?”

“Yes,” said the attendant, “In fact, this entire crew is female.”

“My God,” said Joe, “I’d better have two scotch and sodas.
I don’t know what to think of all those women up there in
the cockpit.”

“That’s another thing,” said the attendant, “We no longer
call it the cockpit. It’s called ‘Box Office’ now.”
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August 14, 2012 8:45pm
Reid

I wonder if the Japanese do not ask for international help because the USA has already indicated to them that it would compromise their own nuclear power systems and so it is a no go.

Yvette not sure why this would be the case. As I see it and may be wrong, it’s an engineering problem so send in the US Army Engineering Corps with their equipment and manpower and direct it via experienced nuclear scientists from all branches of the US infrastructure including academic, commercial think tank, military and even in the secret field.

It’s just if there’s another earthquake that collapses those buildings and puts the fuel rods currently in the pool on the ground so water can’t circulate then the world has a problem around 70 times as serious as Chernobyl and this time, it will not be able to be contained via concrete entombment because of the fact it’s next to the sea. And once it gets in there it will, not if but will, poison the entire, not part but the entire, Pacific Ocean. For thousands of years. Not to mention what happens to Japan itself, on the land. Evacuation of Tokyo is just one of the first, minor, baby steps in dealing with it, IF there is another earthquake.

So you see the situation.

And this is not arguable. This WILL happen IF an earthquake occurs.

So, isn’t it interesting the media keeps talking about everything else, but this.
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August 14, 2012 9:48pm
OneTrack

Publicwatchdog – “who told me (to my face) that both her parents were ex-US marines and the only men in her life had been US marines”

Oh the horror
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